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Alex Wickham
@WikiGuido
Labour have sent out a press release accusing the Tory leadership contenders of "bitter infighting".0 -
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Gove may have blasted Boris out of the game, but it was so obvious the ricochet would take his own head off too.SimonStClare said:
It’s exactly what I thought would happen – his knifing of Boris went down very badly with Tory MPs, only the conspiracy theorists have been bigging up his chances.AndyJS said:Didn't expect Gove to do so catastrophically. His "I have no charisma" speech must have gone down even more badly than expected.
He could have kept quiet and been a senior capo in Boris's Cabinet. What a twat.0 -
One assumes a large chunk of the 150k Tory vote is in London and the Home Counties?SeanT said:Thought: Leadsom has the Cro-Magnon ur-sceptic vote, but she needs to show that she can win a General Election, and be centrist and sensible.
She will be forced to tack left - the markets will demand it as much as MPs. I bet she will opt for EEA status. Which will annoy some of her supporters.
Surely we can trust them to come out for Theresa, even if the fruitcakes from the shires come out for Leadsom?0 -
And proceeded to destroy the Tory party through a dismal performance as PM! :-)CornishBlue said:
The uninspiring in 1992 won the most votes before or since at a general election.ThreeQuidder said:A colleague described the choice as between the uninspiring and the offputting.
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That's where your viewpoint matters: I saw plenty of that from leavers as well.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. M, I agree. People being told they were stupid for disagreeing and sneered at helped win the referendum for Leave.
I'd prefer May, though I'm not enthused about either.0 -
Good to see someone in the Labour party still has a sense of humour….!TGOHF said:Alex Wickham - @WikiGuido
Labour have sent out a press release accusing the Tory leadership contenders of "bitter infighting".0 -
Did it even occur to him that Boris would be an outstanding PM compared to Leadsom? Maybe his brain was addled from weeks of campaigning. Maybe he just did what his wife said.MarqueeMark said:
Gove may have blasted Boris out of the game, but it was so obvious the ricochet would take his own head off too.SimonStClare said:
It’s exactly what I thought would happen – his knifing of Boris went down very badly with Tory MPs, only the conspiracy theorists have been bigging up his chances.AndyJS said:Didn't expect Gove to do so catastrophically. His "I have no charisma" speech must have gone down even more badly than expected.
He could have kept quiet and been a senior capo in Boris's Cabinet. What a twat.
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Oh please fuck off. Just because she prefers civil unions to gay marriage, something the entire Tory party did in 2005, does not mean she is a gay basher. She has not said one insulting word against gay people. You are just acting like a spoilt child now.MaxPB said:
I didn't think of that angle, it will be tough for Ruth to bow to a gay basher like Leadsom.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and I am for Theresa - It will be interesting to see how Ruth Davidson reacts to Andrea Leadsom, especially her views on gay marriage. She has previously indicated she could lead the Scots Conservatives to a divorce from the UK partyFreggles said:
I thought PlatoSaid she was a floating voter?HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?0 -
Calm down, old chap, dear me, goodness, so excitable: fret ye not: we crusties will do our duty for Theresa.Bob__Sykes said:
One assumes a large chunk of the 150k Tory vote is in London and the Home Counties?SeanT said:Thought: Leadsom has the Cro-Magnon ur-sceptic vote, but she needs to show that she can win a General Election, and be centrist and sensible.
She will be forced to tack left - the markets will demand it as much as MPs. I bet she will opt for EEA status. Which will annoy some of her supporters.
Surely we can trust them to come out for Theresa, even if the fruitcakes from the shires come out for Leadsom?0 -
Well, at least we know the UK's independent deterrent isn't, really.
That's reassuring, because Prime Minister Leadsom won't be able to start a nuclear war without the backing of the American president. Oh, just a minute ...0 -
Indeed. Metro elite Tories sneering at Leadsom should remember that they just lost the EU referendum.John_M said:
Media needs to learn lessons from the Remain campaign. Clever wordplay, sneering at Leadsom's faith, mocking her views on adoption? Fucking stupid.rottenborough said:I find myself in the odd situation of now rooting for the Daily Mail as it does a six week hatchet job on Leadsom. Or are they going to change?
It will make the members' hackles rise. The rule should be: if you're a metropolitan luvvie and you don't want PM Leadsom, stfu.0 -
I think they just vote as ordinary members now. There is no electoral college malarkey.Pulpstar said:Do MPs now get to vote again, or are their votes added to the members tally or ?
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Complexion of party is different to 2005 so if Dave could win then Theresa should triumph now. Through natural wastage and the UKIP syphon effect on older more Jurassic members the balance will be more to the socially liberal centrism than the lunatic fringe.Bob__Sykes said:
One assumes a large chunk of the 150k Tory vote is in London and the Home Counties?SeanT said:Thought: Leadsom has the Cro-Magnon ur-sceptic vote, but she needs to show that she can win a General Election, and be centrist and sensible.
She will be forced to tack left - the markets will demand it as much as MPs. I bet she will opt for EEA status. Which will annoy some of her supporters.
Surely we can trust them to come out for Theresa, even if the fruitcakes from the shires come out for Leadsom?0 -
Mr. Jessop, oh aye, there are plenty of muppets on both sides.
Had a chat with a friend today who said she'd switched off Facebook etc for the last few weeks because people on both sides were just going nuts over the referendum and then the result.
As an aside, more people tend to buy fantasy when there's economic turbulence, so it's not all bad news.0 -
Thanks.Bob__Sykes said:
Theresa - no surprise...!JosiasJessop said:
I don't know who Heidi vote for in these votes, but I'd be amazed if it was LeadsomPulpstar said:
So will Heidi if Leadsom gets into No 10 !JosiasJessop said:
No, I'm South Cambridgeshire. I quite like our current MP (Heidi Allen), even though politically I'm leaning towards the Lib Dems atm.Pulpstar said:
Is it your constituency ?JosiasJessop said:
I think so. Then again, I thought so last year as well ...Pulpstar said:
He'll win I think.JosiasJessop said:In other news, Julian Huppert has announced he is going to stand again at the next election.
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/former-cambridge-mp-julian-huppert-confirms-he-will-seek-re-election-at-the-next-general-election/story-29486612-detail/story.html
I hope you'll vote for him
(This is where someone tells me she did).
http://www.heidisouthcambs.co.uk/news/heidi-allen-mp-speaks-local-news-about-why-she-backing-teresa-may-next-conservative-party-leade
Sensible woman, that Heidi.
Last weekend she held a meeting to discuss the Brexit vote at the council offices in my village. Sadly we couldn't attend (despite it being just ten minutes walk away), but by all accounts it was quite good.0 -
Well I hope Gove is happy now.
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The Tories voted for IDS. Leadsom is interesting (in a morbid, curious way) and will therefore get attention. In a world we vote for Brexit and Corbyn, don't count anything out.SeanT said:
Yes, the bulk of Tory members will be older, home-owning ABs in the SE of England. They voted LEAVE on the whole, but they are sovereigntists not Kippers and they really don't like falling house prices and seeing London in trouble. etcBob__Sykes said:
One assumes a large chunk of the 150k Tory vote is in London and the Home Counties?SeanT said:Thought: Leadsom has the Cro-Magnon ur-sceptic vote, but she needs to show that she can win a General Election, and be centrist and sensible.
She will be forced to tack left - the markets will demand it as much as MPs. I bet she will opt for EEA status. Which will annoy some of her supporters.
Surely we can trust them to come out for Theresa, even if the fruitcakes from the shires come out for Leadsom?
They will go for May I suspect, as the stability candidate who will calm the economy. Leadsom has to prove to them she can also bring stability - EEA etc - but that will be very hard for her, as she has the backing of the nutters.0 -
Oh, the irony.TGOHF said:
Alex Wickham
@WikiGuido
Labour have sent out a press release accusing the Tory leadership contenders of "bitter infighting".
But then, I suppose it is, in comparison to the perfect harmony within Labour.0 -
From a betting perspective, it seems inconceivable to me that at some stage over the next 3 years and 10 months, i.e leading up to the next GE in early May 2020, Labour won't pose a serious threat to the Tories in terms of winning the most seats. Indeed within the next 2 years and probably a good deal earlier, we will look back to the present problems within the party and wonder what all the fuss was about.
That said, following La May's impressive win in today's second round of voting for the Tory leadership, Ladbrokes have really gone out on a limb by offering 3/1 against Labour winning the most seats at the next GE, way ahead of the rest of the market where their nearest rival is offering odds of 9/4,whilst the big daddy, William Hill's price is a measly 7/4.
As we at PB.com know all too well, often to our cost, Shadsy is a real shrewdie when it comes to laying what may appear initially to be attractive odds, but it does seem to me that on this occasion he may have erred slightly on the generous side.
Anyway, I've had a nifty fifty on the Red team, not so much in the expectation of collecting £200, but more on the prospect of profitably trading out this bet along the way.
DYOR.0 -
Thatcher wasn't centrist, and she won general elections.SeanT said:Thought: Leadsom has the Cro-Magnon ur-sceptic vote, but she needs to show that she can win a General Election, and be centrist and sensible.
She will be forced to tack left - the markets will demand it as much as MPs. I bet she will opt for EEA status. Which will annoy some of her supporters.
Whoever wins the leadership contest will get a polling boost. If that's Leadsom, she'll keep it.
Most constituencies voted Leave. I think the next general election will see a higher turnout than 2015, as some of those Leave voters make sure we stay out of the EU by voting for Leadsom-led Conservatives.0 -
As a metropolitan liberal who is routinely accused of sneering at bumpkins, I want Andrea Leadsom to win.
I want to see the entire Leave project discredited and the Conservative party left in utter chaos and disorder. I can think of no better way of achieving that than having a government led by a manifestly inadequate Leaver.0 -
When do the ballots actually get sent out to Tory members? I presume the ERS provides the services for the Tories?
There is time for Leadsom to build up a head of steam in a Corbynlike manner. Remember Corbyn did win the Labour members vote and would have won without three quidders. It is entirely possible that Leadsom could end up putting the Tories in the exact same spot that Labour is in.
The only question then would be what the Tory rules are for a leader who is challenged, do they automatically get a right to go to the members vote or does a no confidence vote by MPs successfully kick them out?0 -
A tiny bit petty, don't you think?AlastairMeeks said:As a metropolitan liberal who is routinely accused of sneering at bumpkins, I want Andrea Leadsom to win.
I want to see the entire Leave project discredited and the Conservative party left in utter chaos and disorder. I can think of no better way of achieving that than having a government led by a manifestly inadequate Leaver.
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It's not a good imagine...Barnesian said:
If the leadership election is brought forward then the new PM will be representing the UK at the G20 summit in China on 4/5 September. Can you imagine Leadsom doing that?TheScreamingEagles said:At least this means I've got my threads already written for the next 9 weeks.
You'd have to be absolutely batshit crazy to even think about voting for the loathsome Leadsom.
And Leadsom makes Corbyn as PM nailed on.
That sort of stuff.0 -
UK government could yet be the Day of the Lords....ThomasNashe said:
New Dawn FadesTCPoliticalBetting said:
These are Unknown Pleasures to be The Candidate but what Insight can be shed into the Disorder forecast by remainers?ThomasNashe said:
Let's hope we're not soon saying, 'she's lost control again'.AndyJS said:Rachel Johnson: "Gove won't tear us apart again"
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So, you want the entire country fucked.AlastairMeeks said:As a metropolitan liberal who is routinely accused of sneering at bumpkins, I want Andrea Leadsom to win.
I want to see the entire Leave project discredited and the Conservative party left in utter chaos and disorder. I can think of no better way of achieving that than having a government led by a manifestly inadequate Leaver.
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No, no, Leadsom is Thatcher. Because. Just because.SeanT said:
Luckily for May she doesn't do sneering and doesn't come across as posho metrosexual. She comes across as boring but quite clever and competent grammar school girl. That will do, for now. in the absence of Churchill or Thatcher.MP_SE said:
Indeed. Metro elite Tories sneering at Leadsom should remember that they just lost the EU referendum.John_M said:
Media needs to learn lessons from the Remain campaign. Clever wordplay, sneering at Leadsom's faith, mocking her views on adoption? Fucking stupid.rottenborough said:I find myself in the odd situation of now rooting for the Daily Mail as it does a six week hatchet job on Leadsom. Or are they going to change?
It will make the members' hackles rise. The rule should be: if you're a metropolitan luvvie and you don't want PM Leadsom, stfu.0 -
I suspect Alastair thinks that is priced in either way.rcs1000 said:
So, you want the entire country fucked.AlastairMeeks said:As a metropolitan liberal who is routinely accused of sneering at bumpkins, I want Andrea Leadsom to win.
I want to see the entire Leave project discredited and the Conservative party left in utter chaos and disorder. I can think of no better way of achieving that than having a government led by a manifestly inadequate Leaver.
Nice.0 -
@RobD Not at all. If Britain is to get back on the right path, it needs to get the Leave virus out of its system. This is a fever that we need to sweat out.
Once we have done so, we will be severely weakened and debilitated, but then we can move into the recovery phase.0 -
The latter. Tory leaders who lose Parliamentary confidence are out on their ear. We write proper rules in the Conservative Party!Lowlander said:When do the ballots actually get sent out to Tory members? I presume the ERS provides the services for the Tories?
There is time for Leadsom to build up a head of steam in a Corbynlike manner. Remember Corbyn did win the Labour members vote and would have won without three quidders. It is entirely possible that Leadsom could end up putting the Tories in the exact same spot that Labour is in.
The only question then would be what the Tory rules are for a leader who is challenged, do they automatically get a right to go to the members vote or does a no confidence vote by MPs successfully kick them out?0 -
Have the swiss refused to sell us chocolate?rottenborough said:
Not surprised after this afternoon's news.SeanT said:£ still falling
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Put all you own on Leadsom then....AlastairMeeks said:As a metropolitan liberal who is routinely accused of sneering at bumpkins, I want Andrea Leadsom to win.
I want to see the entire Leave project discredited and the Conservative party left in utter chaos and disorder. I can think of no better way of achieving that than having a government led by a manifestly inadequate Leaver.0 -
So your goal is to see the country crushed into submission and forced back into the EU? I'm genuinely surprised at your comments!AlastairMeeks said:@RobD Not at all. If Britain is to get back on the right path, it needs to get the Leave virus out of its system. This is a fever that we need to sweat out.
Once we have done so, we will be severely weakened and debilitated, but then we can move into the recovery phase.0 -
MWTP: don't tell other posters to fuck off, or I (or one of the other mods) will ban you.ManWithThePlan said:
Oh please fuck off. Just because she prefers civil unions to gay marriage, something the entire Tory party did in 2005, does not mean she is a gay basher. She has not said one insulting word against gay people. You are just acting like a spoilt child now.MaxPB said:
I didn't think of that angle, it will be tough for Ruth to bow to a gay basher like Leadsom.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and I am for Theresa - It will be interesting to see how Ruth Davidson reacts to Andrea Leadsom, especially her views on gay marriage. She has previously indicated she could lead the Scots Conservatives to a divorce from the UK partyFreggles said:
I thought PlatoSaid she was a floating voter?HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?0 -
Everything that's happening now is an inevitable consequence of the Brexit vote. If the country is fucked it's the fault of the people arguing to vote against the Prime Minister's position.rcs1000 said:
So, you want the entire country fucked.AlastairMeeks said:As a metropolitan liberal who is routinely accused of sneering at bumpkins, I want Andrea Leadsom to win.
I want to see the entire Leave project discredited and the Conservative party left in utter chaos and disorder. I can think of no better way of achieving that than having a government led by a manifestly inadequate Leaver.
Nice.0 -
Hope he gets Education again - time to finish the great job he was doing before Cameron was advised to drop him.MarkHopkins said:
Well I hope Gove is happy now.0 -
Three things Labour should have learnt this week:
How to run a leadership campaign competently, knife your enemy - and elect a female leader.
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Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I'm for May as we need experienced hands on the Tiller at a time like this.
Her backbone in standing by the no right for EU citizens to remain in the UK unless EU does the same for UK citizens in contrast to Leadsome going all SJW on the issue reinforces that.
However I agree and fear that a month of metrosexual/remainer monstering of her by the usual suspects might well win it for Iain Duncan Leadsom.
May reveals her lack of humanity with her decision to use EU citizens in the UK as negotiating leverage.
Conservative party members will not welcome such an attitude.
Note: I am not a Conservative member.0 -
So your private amusement is more impotent that the welfare of our people?AlastairMeeks said:As a metropolitan liberal who is routinely accused of sneering at bumpkins, I want Andrea Leadsom to win.
I want to see the entire Leave project discredited and the Conservative party left in utter chaos and disorder. I can think of no better way of achieving that than having a government led by a manifestly inadequate Leaver.
Your post says a lot more about you than you realised. And it's faintly repellent0 -
Karma regarding Gove. Too much of the dark arts.0
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A bit like how the Second World War was needed to sweat that nasty fascist virus out of the system?AlastairMeeks said:@RobD Not at all. If Britain is to get back on the right path, it needs to get the Leave virus out of its system. This is a fever that we need to sweat out.
Once we have done so, we will be severely weakened and debilitated, but then we can move into the recovery phase.0 -
@RobD No, that ship has sailed. Britain will not return to the EU for a generation, if ever.
But the fantasies of closing the borders and repelling all boarders has to be seen to fail before it will be abandoned.0 -
There you go again, applying logic and rational thought to the problem. Politics doesn't work that way at the moment.SeanT said:
Tories voted for IDS in a time of economic stability, and prosperity, and when their vote didn't really count anyway.Jonathan said:
The Tories voted for IDS. Leadsom is interesting (in a morbid, curious way) and will therefore get attention. In a world we vote for Brexit and Corbyn, don't count anything out.SeanT said:
Yes, the bulk of Tory members will be older, home-owning ABs in the SE of England. They voted LEAVE on the whole, but they are sovereigntists not Kippers and they really don't like falling house prices and seeing London in trouble. etcBob__Sykes said:
One assumes a large chunk of the 150k Tory vote is in London and the Home Counties?SeanT said:Thought: Leadsom has the Cro-Magnon ur-sceptic vote, but she needs to show that she can win a General Election, and be centrist and sensible.
She will be forced to tack left - the markets will demand it as much as MPs. I bet she will opt for EEA status. Which will annoy some of her supporters.
Surely we can trust them to come out for Theresa, even if the fruitcakes from the shires come out for Leadsom?
They will go for May I suspect, as the stability candidate who will calm the economy. Leadsom has to prove to them she can also bring stability - EEA etc - but that will be very hard for her, as she has the backing of the nutters.
They are now voting inna time of epochal economic instability, at a time when Britain really could break up, or break down, and they are voting for the prime minister who has to fix this. And stabilise the property market. This will concentrate minds.
It will be May.
There is a more reliable method....
Put the two candidate mugshots on the floor. Get a cat. Get it drunk. Get it very drunk. Tie some catnip to a nearby record player. Whichever candidate the cat throws up on will win the vote.
Beats logic and reason any day.0 -
May is definately the superior candidate but people going round behaving like tossers won't help the party when members' assistance is required at election time. Their behaviour is utterly repulsive to the extent that I almost want Leadsom to win.SeanT said:
Luckily for May she doesn't do sneering and doesn't come across as posho metrosexual. She comes across as boring but quite clever and competent grammar school girl. That will do, for now. in the absence of Churchill or Thatcher.MP_SE said:
Indeed. Metro elite Tories sneering at Leadsom should remember that they just lost the EU referendum.John_M said:
Media needs to learn lessons from the Remain campaign. Clever wordplay, sneering at Leadsom's faith, mocking her views on adoption? Fucking stupid.rottenborough said:I find myself in the odd situation of now rooting for the Daily Mail as it does a six week hatchet job on Leadsom. Or are they going to change?
It will make the members' hackles rise. The rule should be: if you're a metropolitan luvvie and you don't want PM Leadsom, stfu.0 -
A good question.Lowlander said:When do the ballots actually get sent out to Tory members? I presume the ERS provides the services for the Tories?
There is time for Leadsom to build up a head of steam in a Corbynlike manner. Remember Corbyn did win the Labour members vote and would have won without three quidders. It is entirely possible that Leadsom could end up putting the Tories in the exact same spot that Labour is in.
The only question then would be what the Tory rules are for a leader who is challenged, do they automatically get a right to go to the members vote or does a no confidence vote by MPs successfully kick them out?
But I think they'd have to give Leadsom some time to see if she's as bad as some fear. There is a chance that she's not as bad as she looks at the moment, and that she tries to take the opposite approach from Corbyn and take her MPs with her.
I can imagine some pro-May MPs are already thinking of what their red lines would be.0 -
It is worth remembering that only 33% of Tory members were willing to sacrifice controlled borders for a free trade deal in the YG poll.
Theresa needs to get her position clear. Carrying on as we have is not an option.0 -
Mr. Meeks, that's rather petty and vindictive. Are you trolling to get a reaction, or are you really content to wish ill upon your country?0
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It was the right decision though - he was an electoral liability.Robert_Eve said:
Hope he gets Education again - time to finish the great job he was doing before Cameron was advised to drop him.MarkHopkins said:
Well I hope Gove is happy now.0 -
But the borders will never be "closed", neither candidate is proposing that.AlastairMeeks said:@RobD No, that ship has sailed. Britain will not return to the EU for a generation, if ever.
But the fantasies of closing the borders and repelling all boarders has to be seen to fail before it will be abandoned.0 -
A what?MaxPB said:
I didn't think of that angle, it will be tough for Ruth to bow to a gay basher like Leadsom.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes and I am for Theresa - It will be interesting to see how Ruth Davidson reacts to Andrea Leadsom, especially her views on gay marriage. She has previously indicated she could lead the Scots Conservatives to a divorce from the UK partyFreggles said:
I thought PlatoSaid she was a floating voter?HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?0 -
My Facebook timeline remains entirely untroubled by anything remotely resembling a polemic, a slogan, a homily or any kind of incoherent political or economic rambling. My friends are awesome. Mind you, it's hard to find anything else but that on dear old PB, with perhaps a smidgeon of de haut en bas condescension from Mr Meeks.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jessop, oh aye, there are plenty of muppets on both sides.
Had a chat with a friend today who said she'd switched off Facebook etc for the last few weeks because people on both sides were just going nuts over the referendum and then the result.
As an aside, more people tend to buy fantasy when there's economic turbulence, so it's not all bad news.0 -
Remember, Alastair renounced his allegiance to the country on the 24th. He moves on a higher plane now. It makes me want to vote Leave all over againMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, that's rather petty and vindictive. Are you trolling to get a reaction, or are you really content to wish ill upon your country?
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May is Head Girl. Bossy and boring.
Leadsom is Thatcher. Watch as her speech gets slower and slower and transforms into Thatcher.0 -
Is it a Gulfstream?John_M said:
Remember, Alastair renounced his allegiance to the country on the 24th. He moves on a higher plane now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, that's rather petty and vindictive. Are you trolling to get a reaction, or are you really content to wish ill upon your country?
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Makes a change from blaming everything on Thatcherwilliamglenn said:
Everything that's happening now is an inevitable consequence of the Brexit vote. If the country is fucked it's the fault of the people arguing to vote against the Prime Minister's position.rcs1000 said:
So, you want the entire country fucked.AlastairMeeks said:As a metropolitan liberal who is routinely accused of sneering at bumpkins, I want Andrea Leadsom to win.
I want to see the entire Leave project discredited and the Conservative party left in utter chaos and disorder. I can think of no better way of achieving that than having a government led by a manifestly inadequate Leaver.
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Even our Charles flies economyrcs1000 said:
Is it a Gulfstream?John_M said:
Remember, Alastair renounced his allegiance to the country on the 24th. He moves on a higher plane now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, that's rather petty and vindictive. Are you trolling to get a reaction, or are you really content to wish ill upon your country?
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Yes, myself a previous avid UKIPer was well aware of the reality that even with net migration sub 100k or even 0. There could be 3million people coming and 3million people going and I wouldn't give a damn.RobD said:
But the borders will never be "closed", neither candidate is proposing that.AlastairMeeks said:@RobD No, that ship has sailed. Britain will not return to the EU for a generation, if ever.
But the fantasies of closing the borders and repelling all boarders has to be seen to fail before it will be abandoned.
The risk of increasing food imports or raised impetus to concrete over England's wonderful green belt would be decreased. Britain is multicultural and diverse whatever the state does now - everyone sensible accepts that is irreversible.0 -
You have to hand it to Leadsom. She's judged the politics of the Brexit referendum better than anyone else in the party. I think she's being hugely underestimated by most of the people who are horrified by her rise.0
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Mrs Thatcher: a paragon of honesty, with a great ministerial career behind her before she became PM.David_Evershed said:May is Head Girl. Bossy and boring.
Leadsom is Thatcher. Watch as her speech gets slower and slower and transforms into Thatcher.
Mrs Leadson: opposes gay marriages and doesn't want Brexit to slow subsidies to renewables.
I'm not really getting the comparison.0 -
If he bottled it then clearly he didn't have it in him. Not enough steel.rottenborough said:Bet Boris is crying into his claret at this very moment. What an opportunity he walked away from if this is the run-off.
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But what about Tory donors? This does look rather tasty.chestnut said:It is worth remembering that only 33% of Tory members were willing to sacrifice controlled borders for a free trade deal in the YG poll.
Theresa needs to get her position clear. Carrying on as we have is not an option.0 -
I thought it was his wife and child who flew economy...RobD said:
Even our Charles flies economyrcs1000 said:
Is it a Gulfstream?John_M said:
Remember, Alastair renounced his allegiance to the country on the 24th. He moves on a higher plane now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, that's rather petty and vindictive. Are you trolling to get a reaction, or are you really content to wish ill upon your country?
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..... and the third thing is?SimonStClare said:Three things Labour should have learnt this week:
How to run a leadership campaign competently, knife your enemy - and elect a female leader.0 -
lol. How soon before you get your new toy? Or is it more of a fantasy per my Mulsanne turbo savings jar.rcs1000 said:
Is it a Gulfstream?John_M said:
Remember, Alastair renounced his allegiance to the country on the 24th. He moves on a higher plane now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, that's rather petty and vindictive. Are you trolling to get a reaction, or are you really content to wish ill upon your country?
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If Leadsom wins and Corbyn stays it ought to present a huge opportunity for the LDs. Whether they make anything of it is another matter.williamglenn said:You have to hand it to Leadsom. She's judged the politics of the Brexit referendum better than anyone else in the party. I think she's being hugely underestimated by most of the people who are horrified by her rise.
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Unless May slips up and a careless comment makes her seem less than committed to Brexiting, which seems unlikely, I'd think she'd play well in the Shires.SeanT said:
Yes, the bulk of Tory members will be older, home-owning ABs in the SE of England. They voted LEAVE on the whole, but they are sovereigntists not Kippers and they really don't like falling house prices and seeing London in trouble. etcBob__Sykes said:
One assumes a large chunk of the 150k Tory vote is in London and the Home Counties?SeanT said:Thought: Leadsom has the Cro-Magnon ur-sceptic vote, but she needs to show that she can win a General Election, and be centrist and sensible.
She will be forced to tack left - the markets will demand it as much as MPs. I bet she will opt for EEA status. Which will annoy some of her supporters.
Surely we can trust them to come out for Theresa, even if the fruitcakes from the shires come out for Leadsom?
They will go for May I suspect, as the stability candidate who will calm the economy. Leadsom has to prove to them she can also bring stability - EEA etc - but that will be very hard for her, as she has the backing of the nutters.0 -
Yup, but they really can't help themselves. After all, 16m must be right.John_M said:
Media needs to learn lessons from the Remain campaign. Clever wordplay, sneering at Leadsom's faith, mocking her views on adoption? Fucking stupid.rottenborough said:I find myself in the odd situation of now rooting for the Daily Mail as it does a six week hatchet job on Leadsom. Or are they going to change?
It will make the members' hackles rise. The rule should be: if you're a metropolitan luvvie and you don't want PM Leadsom, stfu.0 -
Mr. Glenn, she also benefited hugely from Gove removing Boris and himself, and from May for deciding not to put Gove on the ballot.
That may come back to haunt her. Or not. We shall see.0 -
Probably correct; by definition the people who are still members of a political party are deeply strange. And they often behave in a deeply strange way.Jonathan said:
There you go again, applying logic and rational thought to the problem. Politics doesn't work that way at the moment.SeanT said:
Tories voted for IDS in a time of economic stability, and prosperity, and when their vote didn't really count anyway.Jonathan said:
The Tories voted for IDS. Leadsom is interesting (in a morbid, curious way) and will therefore get attention. In a world we vote for Brexit and Corbyn, don't count anything out.SeanT said:
Yes, the bulk of Tory members will be older, home-owning ABs in the SE of England. They voted LEAVE on the whole, but they are sovereigntists not Kippers and they really don't like falling house prices and seeing London in trouble. etcBob__Sykes said:
One assumes a large chunk of the 150k Tory vote is in London and the Home Counties?SeanT said:Thought: Leadsom has the Cro-Magnon ur-sceptic vote, but she needs to show that she can win a General Election, and be centrist and sensible.
She will be forced to tack left - the markets will demand it as much as MPs. I bet she will opt for EEA status. Which will annoy some of her supporters.
Surely we can trust them to come out for Theresa, even if the fruitcakes from the shires come out for Leadsom?
They will go for May I suspect, as the stability candidate who will calm the economy. Leadsom has to prove to them she can also bring stability - EEA etc - but that will be very hard for her, as she has the backing of the nutters.
They are now voting inna time of epochal economic instability, at a time when Britain really could break up, or break down, and they are voting for the prime minister who has to fix this. And stabilise the property market. This will concentrate minds.
It will be May.
There is a more reliable method....
Put the two candidate mugshots on the floor. Get a cat. Get it drunk. Get it very drunk. Tie some catnip to a nearby record player. Whichever candidate the cat throws up on will win the vote.
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Well, sacrifices have to be made by someone I supposercs1000 said:
I thought it was his wife and child who flew economy...RobD said:
Even our Charles flies economyrcs1000 said:
Is it a Gulfstream?John_M said:
Remember, Alastair renounced his allegiance to the country on the 24th. He moves on a higher plane now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, that's rather petty and vindictive. Are you trolling to get a reaction, or are you really content to wish ill upon your country?
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In case any one has not seen this, the Lib Dems are starting to select PPCs again in case there is an early election.
JJ has already mention that Julian Huppert is restanding in Cambridge.
Here in St Albans we have been nominated as an all women shortlist with hustings later this month.0 -
So you think they should have shown deference to their "betters" like in the old days?williamglenn said:
Everything that's happening now is an inevitable consequence of the Brexit vote. If the country is fucked it's the fault of the people arguing to vote against the Prime Minister's position.rcs1000 said:
So, you want the entire country fucked.AlastairMeeks said:As a metropolitan liberal who is routinely accused of sneering at bumpkins, I want Andrea Leadsom to win.
I want to see the entire Leave project discredited and the Conservative party left in utter chaos and disorder. I can think of no better way of achieving that than having a government led by a manifestly inadequate Leaver.
Nice.
You really don't get the concept of Democracy, do you?0 -
The Boris decision looks harder to understand every day - if he had stayed in he'd have got to the members - what was he scared of? Winning possibly.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, she also benefited hugely from Gove removing Boris and himself, and from May for deciding not to put Gove on the ballot.
That may come back to haunt her. Or not. We shall see.0 -
Oops ......this won't fit Tuscany Tysons narrative at all. It's only the Racist , xenophobic little Englanders that do this sort of thing don't you know........
"A man has been arrested by Italian police investigating the killing of a Nigerian immigrant which the government has condemned as a racist attack.
Police say a row broke out at Fermo on Italy's west coast when racist abuse was hurled at the partner of Emmanuel Chidi Namdi, 36"
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Thatcher wasn't perfect by any means.rcs1000 said:
Mrs Thatcher: a paragon of honesty, with a great ministerial career behind her before she became PM.David_Evershed said:May is Head Girl. Bossy and boring.
Leadsom is Thatcher. Watch as her speech gets slower and slower and transforms into Thatcher.
Mrs Leadson: opposes gay marriages and doesn't want Brexit to slow subsidies to renewables.
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Please make sure you are using CrowdScores to get your football scores! Probably the fastest growing sports app in the world! Very highly rated on Android and iOS.John_M said:
lol. How soon before you get your new toy? Or is it more of a fantasy per my Mulsanne turbo savings jar.rcs1000 said:
Is it a Gulfstream?John_M said:
Remember, Alastair renounced his allegiance to the country on the 24th. He moves on a higher plane now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, that's rather petty and vindictive. Are you trolling to get a reaction, or are you really content to wish ill upon your country?
One day it will have every score from every competitive game of sport everywhere in the world: from Euro 2016, to under 11 netball.0 -
I'd hate to think that Cameron's WW3 comments might have swung voters the wrong way. That couldn't be true......rcs1000 said:
A bit like how the Second World War was needed to sweat that nasty fascist virus out of the system?AlastairMeeks said:@RobD Not at all. If Britain is to get back on the right path, it needs to get the Leave virus out of its system. This is a fever that we need to sweat out.
Once we have done so, we will be severely weakened and debilitated, but then we can move into the recovery phase.0 -
Bless em.Verulamius said:In case any one has not seen this, the Lib Dems are starting to select PPCs again in case there is an early election.
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There are lady Lib Dems? I thought they were like Dwarfs or something.Verulamius said:In case any one has not seen this, the Lib Dems are starting to select PPCs again in case there is an early election.
JJ has already mention that Julian Huppert is restanding in Cambridge.
Here in St Albans we have been nominated as an all women shortlist with hustings later this month.0 -
I'm puzzled. All these Leavers were quite at ease with incurring an avoidable recession for a perceived long term advantage are now shocked that I might think along similar lines.0
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Really? Stone the unbeliever.williamglenn said:
Thatcher wasn't perfect by any means.0 -
Mr. PB, I fear Boris was all mouth, and no trousers.0
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Foolish to select candidates before they know whether there'll be 172 sitting MPs looking for a new party. And that assumes a Leadsom victory doesn't mean 50 Tories (or more) doing the same!Verulamius said:In case any one has not seen this, the Lib Dems are starting to select PPCs again in case there is an early election.
JJ has already mention that Julian Huppert is restanding in Cambridge.
Here in St Albans we have been nominated as an all women shortlist with hustings later this month.0 -
He's not the only Remainer here to take that attitude, but he's probably the most open about it.SeanT said:
So you want to see absolute ruin, just to say I TOLD YOU SO?AlastairMeeks said:As a metropolitan liberal who is routinely accused of sneering at bumpkins, I want Andrea Leadsom to win.
I want to see the entire Leave project discredited and the Conservative party left in utter chaos and disorder. I can think of no better way of achieving that than having a government led by a manifestly inadequate Leaver.
You really are an adolescent jerk.
I've been outvoted in various elections over the years, but would never want the country to fail because I felt being right was more important than the country succeeding. The attitude is a complete mystery to me, and yet it's undeniably there.0 -
literally.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. PB, I fear Boris was all mouth, and no trousers.
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When I was Leader of the Council, every so often I would bite one of my colleagues, usually at random but frequently drawing blood. Most didn't think it strange at all.DearPB said:
Probably correct; by definition the people who are still members of a political party are deeply strange. And they often behave in a deeply strange way.Jonathan said:
There you go again, applying logic and rational thought to the problem. Politics doesn't work that way at the moment.SeanT said:
Tories voted for IDS in a time of economic stability, and prosperity, and when their vote didn't really count anyway.Jonathan said:
The Tories voted for IDS. Leadsom is interesting (in a morbid, curious way) and will therefore get attention. In a world we vote for Brexit and Corbyn, don't count anything out.SeanT said:
Yes, the bulk of Tory members will be older, home-owning ABs in the SE of England. They voted LEAVE on the whole, but they are sovereigntists not Kippers and they really don't like falling house prices and seeing London in trouble. etcBob__Sykes said:
One assumes a large chunk of the 150k Tory vote is in London and the Home Counties?SeanT said:Thought: Leadsom has the Cro-Magnon ur-sceptic vote, but she needs to show that she can win a General Election, and be centrist and sensible.
She will be forced to tack left - the markets will demand it as much as MPs. I bet she will opt for EEA status. Which will annoy some of her supporters.
Surely we can trust them to come out for Theresa, even if the fruitcakes from the shires come out for Leadsom?
They will go for May I suspect, as the stability candidate who will calm the economy. Leadsom has to prove to them she can also bring stability - EEA etc - but that will be very hard for her, as she has the backing of the nutters.
They are now voting inna time of epochal economic instability, at a time when Britain really could break up, or break down, and they are voting for the prime minister who has to fix this. And stabilise the property market. This will concentrate minds.
It will be May.
There is a more reliable method....
Put the two candidate mugshots on the floor. Get a cat. Get it drunk. Get it very drunk. Tie some catnip to a nearby record player. Whichever candidate the cat throws up on will win the vote.
Beats logic and reason any day.0 -
Indeed; the trousers part may also have had something to do with his decision.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. PB, I fear Boris was all mouth, and no trousers.
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The Screaming Eagle turns into Screaming Lord Sutch.TheScreamingEagles said:At least this means I've got my threads already written for the next 9 weeks.
You'd have to be absolutely batshit crazy to even think about voting for the loathsome Leadsom.
And Leadsom makes Corbyn as PM nailed on.
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I see the hornets are buzzing as the little boy pokes the nest.0
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Cameron should have made a better argument. Or better yet, not agreed to have a referendum. The Left loved to blame Thatcher for everything. Let's point to Blair, a man who traduced and discredited the office of Prime Minister and left a poisonous legacy for his successors.williamglenn said:
Everything that's happening now is an inevitable consequence of the Brexit vote. If the country is fucked it's the fault of the people arguing to vote against the Prime Minister's position.rcs1000 said:
So, you want the entire country fucked.AlastairMeeks said:As a metropolitan liberal who is routinely accused of sneering at bumpkins, I want Andrea Leadsom to win.
I want to see the entire Leave project discredited and the Conservative party left in utter chaos and disorder. I can think of no better way of achieving that than having a government led by a manifestly inadequate Leaver.
Nice.
As a general rule, blaming the voters is intellectually and morally bankrupt. Don't like democracy? Move to Syria.0 -
When I was Leader of the Council, I occasionally failed to come up with the most right wing answer to a given question, and then my colleagues would bite me.JohnO said:
When I was Leader of the Council, every so often I would bite one of my colleagues, usually at random but frequently drawing blood. Most didn't think it strange at all.DearPB said:
Probably correct; by definition the people who are still members of a political party are deeply strange. And they often behave in a deeply strange way.Jonathan said:
There you go again, applying logic and rational thought to the problem. Politics doesn't work that way at the moment.SeanT said:
Tories voted for IDS in a time of economic stability, and prosperity, and when their vote didn't really count anyway.Jonathan said:
The Tories voted for IDS. Leadsom is interesting (in a morbid, curious way) and will therefore get attention. In a world we vote for Brexit and Corbyn, don't count anything out.SeanT said:
Yes, the bulk of Tory members will be older, home-owning ABs in the SE of England. They voted LEAVE on the whole, but they are sovereigntists not Kippers and they really don't like falling house prices and seeing London in trouble. etcBob__Sykes said:
One assumes a large chunk of the 150k Tory vote is in London and the Home Counties?SeanT said:Thought: Leadsom has the Cro-Magnon ur-sceptic vote, but she needs to show that she can win a General Election, and be centrist and sensible.
She will be forced to tack left - the markets will demand it as much as MPs. I bet she will opt for EEA status. Which will annoy some of her supporters.
Surely we can trust them to come out for Theresa, even if the fruitcakes from the shires come out for Leadsom?
They will go for May I suspect, as the stability candidate who will calm the economy. Leadsom has to prove to them she can also bring stability - EEA etc - but that will be very hard for her, as she has the backing of the nutters.
They are now voting inna time of epochal economic instability, at a time when Britain really could break up, or break down, and they are voting for the prime minister who has to fix this. And stabilise the property market. This will concentrate minds.
It will be May.
There is a more reliable method....
Put the two candidate mugshots on the floor. Get a cat. Get it drunk. Get it very drunk. Tie some catnip to a nearby record player. Whichever candidate the cat throws up on will win the vote.
Beats logic and reason any day.0 -
And then they can do it all again, when May gets the 600 constituency reduction through in her honeymoon period.Verulamius said:In case any one has not seen this, the Lib Dems are starting to select PPCs again in case there is an early election.
JJ has already mention that Julian Huppert is restanding in Cambridge.
Here in St Albans we have been nominated as an all women shortlist with hustings later this month.
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David_Evershed said:
May is Head Girl. Bossy and boring.
Leadsom is Thatcher. Watch as her speech gets slower and slower and transforms into Thatcher.
I'd reckon a lot of Tory members were either head girls themselves or married women who had been head girls, so May might not be boring to them!0 -
Alistair I've always admired you and often agreed with you, but I am really hoping that comment was a joke.AlastairMeeks said:As a metropolitan liberal who is routinely accused of sneering at bumpkins, I want Andrea Leadsom to win.
I want to see the entire Leave project discredited and the Conservative party left in utter chaos and disorder. I can think of no better way of achieving that than having a government led by a manifestly inadequate Leaver.
Just as I was adamantly opposed to Corbyn winning because I foresaw that he would do serious damage to the Labour Party (although I never foresaw that he would be quite this bad, or so comprehensively discredit the ideals of the metropolitan left in the eyes of the rest of the land) so we have to have May now.
For why? Because to quote a certain person, 'you can't play politics with people's jobs and people's services.' Andrea Leadsom would be luxury in opposition. In government she would be a nightmare and might even cause the full implosion of our economy and system of government. Surely that's not what you want?0 -
I wasn't blaming the voters, I was blaming the dishonest Leave campaign.John_M said:
Cameron should have made a better argument. Or better yet, not agreed to have a referendum. The Left loved to blame Thatcher for everything. Let's point to Blair, a man who traduced and discredited the office of Prime Minister and left a poisonous legacy for his successors.williamglenn said:
Everything that's happening now is an inevitable consequence of the Brexit vote. If the country is fucked it's the fault of the people arguing to vote against the Prime Minister's position.rcs1000 said:
So, you want the entire country fucked.AlastairMeeks said:As a metropolitan liberal who is routinely accused of sneering at bumpkins, I want Andrea Leadsom to win.
I want to see the entire Leave project discredited and the Conservative party left in utter chaos and disorder. I can think of no better way of achieving that than having a government led by a manifestly inadequate Leaver.
Nice.
As a general rule, blaming the voters is intellectually and morally bankrupt. Don't like democracy? Move to Syria.
As far as I can see it's the people on here who were egging it on who are now horrified by what is coming to pass so I won't take any lectures on democracy.0 -
I have played with it, but at the LCFC stadium the bandwidth is overwhelmed at matches. Maybe other networks are better than O2, but I wouldn't count on the reaction time at my favourite ground.rcs1000 said:
Please make sure you are using CrowdScores to get your football scores! Probably the fastest growing sports app in the world! Very highly rated on Android and iOS.John_M said:
lol. How soon before you get your new toy? Or is it more of a fantasy per my Mulsanne turbo savings jar.rcs1000 said:
Is it a Gulfstream?John_M said:
Remember, Alastair renounced his allegiance to the country on the 24th. He moves on a higher plane now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, that's rather petty and vindictive. Are you trolling to get a reaction, or are you really content to wish ill upon your country?
One day it will have every score from every competitive game of sport everywhere in the world: from Euro 2016, to under 11 netball.0 -
BA generously put me in business out on this trip & 1A back.RobD said:
Even our Charles flies economyrcs1000 said:
Is it a Gulfstream?John_M said:
Remember, Alastair renounced his allegiance to the country on the 24th. He moves on a higher plane now.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, that's rather petty and vindictive. Are you trolling to get a reaction, or are you really content to wish ill upon your country?
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It will be interesting to see how the bookies price up the percentages of the Tory membership vote between La May and La Leadsom. My initial thinking is that it will be something like 65% : 35% respectively.0
