@RosamundUrwin: Watching Leadsom a month ago: "What you'll find is on June 23 if we vote leave that [£ volatility] will settle down" https://t.co/mqXSx7t7FY
Oh dear, I hadn't seen those Putin comments. Nothing about NATO, sanctions, talking to the US and our friends in the EU. Just a bit of a "well he's a naughty boy and I'd tell him off".
And yet she could still beat Gove. Tbh I am not really sure what is the point of this thread as we shall need a new one in the next hour or so when the results are known.
And yet she could still beat Gove. Tbh I am not really sure what is the point of this thread as we shall need a new one in the next hour or so when the results are known.
I really think the MPs might put Give through, not tactically as such, I.e not to help May, but rather because they believe they have a responsibility to give the membership a choice of two plausible candidates who they could support if they won.
Oh dear, I hadn't seen those Putin comments. Nothing about NATO, sanctions, talking to the US and our friends in the EU. Just a bit of a "well he's a naughty boy and I'd tell him off".
She should have said that she'd keep him in line with the offer of a free trade agreement once we're outside the EU. (And it would actually contain an element of truth.)
Sarah Palin never did anything in her life but surf the American right wing. Leadsom has held senior roles in several prestigious businesses. You Remainers are just unhinged.
I suppose its like a spoilt child who has a meltdown when they lose at monopoly. Everyone has to indulge her and let her win the next game so she feels better. One upside of May getting the nod will be those who can't take losing will feel they have won and start thinking objectively again.
If Andrea Leadsom gets through today, she will be the prime beneficiary of Stephen Crabb having withdrawn on Tuesday. If he had stayed in the race we would have had another weekend of such faux pas, which could only have reduced her chances of making the top two.
Some Spartans were sent to hold talks with the Persians. They were asked if they came in a public or private capacity and answered, "If we succeed, public. If not, private."
I really think the MPs might put Give through, not tactically as such, I.e not to help May, but rather because they believe they have a responsibility to give the membership a choice of two plausible candidates who they could support if they won.
It's all well and good uniting the party, but we need a long-term strategy to weed out the liberals so we can pragmatically re-introduce mild socially conservative policies in a way that it is acceptable to the electorate. Ken Clarke resigning in 2020 is a good start but we need to use the boundary change as the opportunity to speed up the process.
Oh dear, I hadn't seen those Putin comments. Nothing about NATO, sanctions, talking to the US and our friends in the EU. Just a bit of a "well he's a naughty boy and I'd tell him off".
She should have said that she'd keep him in line with the offer of a free trade agreement once we're outside the EU. (And it would actually contain an element of truth.)
There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?
Con Home is continuing to record further MP declarations - every new declaration is for May - Leadsom and Gove are completely static. Public declarations are now:
Oh dear, I hadn't seen those Putin comments. Nothing about NATO, sanctions, talking to the US and our friends in the EU. Just a bit of a "well he's a naughty boy and I'd tell him off".
That was the Cameron policy over the Litvinenko inquest, wasn't it?
Sarah Palin never did anything in her life but surf the American right wing. Leadsom has held senior roles in several prestigious businesses. You Remainers are just unhinged.
I suppose its like a spoilt child who has a meltdown when they lose at monopoly. Everyone has to indulge her and let her win the next game so she feels better. One upside of May getting the nod will be those who can't take losing will feel they have won and start thinking objectively again.
Your admiration for the lovely Andrea and her ideology is blinding you to the less compelling aspects of her bid and campaign.
can't believe Leadsom has secured a role in government at all - all her candidature has done for me is highlight how poor the current crop of politicos is - the left of the labour party have gone from Foot to Corbyn and the right of the tory party from Joseph to Leadsom - in the middle are massed ranks of PR-based no marks and people who think Michael Gove is clever rather than just good at sounding smart to a certain sort of tory.
as a centre right socially liberal tory I think any party member who doesn't see May as the least bad candidate in the most difficult climate at least since Suez is just too sad for words, and I will despair for our country should we have the misfortune to be lumped with Leadsom as PM
Con Home is continuing to record further MP declarations - every new declaration is for May - Leadsom and Gove are completely static. Public declarations are now:
can't believe Leadsom has secured a role in government at all - all her candidature has done for me is highlight how poor the current crop of politicos is - the left of the labour party have gone from Foot to Corbyn and the right of the tory party from Joseph to Leadsom - in the middle are massed ranks of PR-based no marks and people who think Michael Gove is clever rather than just good at sounding smart to a certain sort of tory. as a centre right socially liberal tory I think any party member who doesn't see May as the least bad candidate in the most difficult climate at least since Suez is just too sad for words, and I will despair for our country should we have the misfortune to be lumped with Leadsom as PM
You left out the allegations that she eats babies.
can't believe Leadsom has secured a role in government at all - all her candidature has done for me is highlight how poor the current crop of politicos is - the left of the labour party have gone from Foot to Corbyn and the right of the tory party from Joseph to Leadsom - in the middle are massed ranks of PR-based no marks and people who think Michael Gove is clever rather than just good at sounding smart to a certain sort of tory.
as a centre right socially liberal tory I think any party member who doesn't see May as the least bad candidate in the most difficult climate at least since Suez is just too sad for words, and I will despair for our country should we have the misfortune to be lumped with Leadsom as PM
Back into the "anyone that disagrees with me is an idiot" fortress! How did that work out for you in the referendum?
For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB
"Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom has organised a school exchange project for the last 10 years with a Ugandan centre co-run by an anti-gay Christian group that performs “gay cure” ministries and whose founder condemned homosexual love as “a sin”, BuzzFeed News can reveal.
Speaking in Parliament in 2013, Leadsom described the project she set up in 2006 with Richard Johnson, who “runs a fantastic youth centre in Uganda”, called the Discovery Centre. The project involves sending UK students to the centre for conferences and meetings."
I'd also suggest a comparison with Andy Burnham - someone badly found out by a leadership contest and the scrutiny that comes with it. However much more intense given the urgency.
Of course if she does come second, we have weeks of her record and past comments and views to look forward to.
Just a note on faith - all 5 of the Tory leadership candidates are open about their faith (good in my view) but none have been as wrong-footed in answering the inevitable questions that come with it, as Andrea Leadsom has. Surprised as you'd have thought she'd have faced this for years.
There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?
One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
Sarah Palin never did anything in her life but surf the American right wing. Leadsom has held senior roles in several prestigious businesses. You Remainers are just unhinged.
I suppose its like a spoilt child who has a meltdown when they lose at monopoly. Everyone has to indulge her and let her win the next game so she feels better. One upside of May getting the nod will be those who can't take losing will feel they have won and start thinking objectively again.
Now, that's what I call a petitio principii. Were they senior roles, or were they chief roles?
Not sure who the spoilt child in your analogy is, but I think you need to calm down and reflect that we are none of us Remainers any more.
There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?
One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
How about a free trade deal with everything but steel?
There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?
One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
How about a free trade deal with everything but steel?
China's actions in rolled steel have been worth of condemnation regardless. We haven't got the tariffs at the moment needed to protect against it.
For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB
"Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom has organised a school exchange project for the last 10 years with a Ugandan centre co-run by an anti-gay Christian group that performs “gay cure” ministries and whose founder condemned homosexual love as “a sin”, BuzzFeed News can reveal.
Speaking in Parliament in 2013, Leadsom described the project she set up in 2006 with Richard Johnson, who “runs a fantastic youth centre in Uganda”, called the Discovery Centre. The project involves sending UK students to the centre for conferences and meetings."
Well, it's a link.
But they sound like two seperate projects, unless the school exchange involves being cured of being gay?
There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?
One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
Wasn't it Britain that blocked EU tariffs against Chinese steel?
That article doesn't exactly contain any proof of the claims. Hearsay when Leadom's assertions could probably be contradicted with evidence if the journalist was serious.
For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB
"Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom has organised a school exchange project for the last 10 years with a Ugandan centre co-run by an anti-gay Christian group that performs “gay cure” ministries and whose founder condemned homosexual love as “a sin”, BuzzFeed News can reveal.
Speaking in Parliament in 2013, Leadsom described the project she set up in 2006 with Richard Johnson, who “runs a fantastic youth centre in Uganda”, called the Discovery Centre. The project involves sending UK students to the centre for conferences and meetings."
Well, it's a link.
For God's sake, virtually everyone in Africa is homophobic. I suppose the anti-Leadsom brigade would be happier if thise children received no help at all. Credit for Leadsom for spending time and effort to help the least among us. What has May done on this front?
can't believe Leadsom has secured a role in government at all - all her candidature has done for me is highlight how poor the current crop of politicos is - the left of the labour party have gone from Foot to Corbyn and the right of the tory party from Joseph to Leadsom - in the middle are massed ranks of PR-based no marks and people who think Michael Gove is clever rather than just good at sounding smart to a certain sort of tory. as a centre right socially liberal tory I think any party member who doesn't see May as the least bad candidate in the most difficult climate at least since Suez is just too sad for words, and I will despair for our country should we have the misfortune to be lumped with Leadsom as PM
You left out the allegations that she eats babies.
Happy with my rebuttal of your nonsense on the previous thread? Or do you want me to go further?
I've said it before and I will continue to do so Andrea Leadsom is toxic. Any half decent opposition worth its name would destroy her - fortunately for her we have no such opposition so she may get away with it...for now.
As a Lib Dem I hope she wins as there's plenty of ammo to use against her...not so much with Theresa May
There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?
One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
How about a free trade deal with everything but steel?
China would say no, obviously.
They want to be able to export things to us in which they have a competitive advantage.
In fact, if you look at China <-> Switzerland and USA <-> Australia, the smaller country had to open up their market a lot more than the bigger one.
For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB
"Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom has organised a school exchange project for the last 10 years with a Ugandan centre co-run by an anti-gay Christian group that performs “gay cure” ministries and whose founder condemned homosexual love as “a sin”, BuzzFeed News can reveal.
Speaking in Parliament in 2013, Leadsom described the project she set up in 2006 with Richard Johnson, who “runs a fantastic youth centre in Uganda”, called the Discovery Centre. The project involves sending UK students to the centre for conferences and meetings."
Well, it's a link.
But they sound like two seperate projects, unless the school exchange involves being cured of being gay?
Presumably the school/centre does that part and Leadsom wants schools to visit the centre.
I mean, it's not great, but it's not disastrous either.
There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?
One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
Wasn't it Britain that blocked EU tariffs against Chinese steel?
Good point. The same people who say the first two things also tell us that the UK had no say in EU decisions. It's a three-way self-contradiction.
I've said it before and I will continue to do so Andrea Leadsom is toxic. Any half decent opposition worth its name would destroy her - fortunately for her we have no such opposition so she may get away with it...for now.
As a Lib Dem I hope she wins as there's plenty of ammo to use against her...not so much with Theresa May
Out of several thousand people who work at Barclays they managed to get two anonymous quotes, one from someone who never worked with her. We don't know who these people are, what their motivations are, or what their politics are. The level of confirmation bias you lot are suffering from is off the scale. I hope you never serve on a jury.
There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?
One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
We could have done a steel deal in the EU but Cameron vetoed it.
Ironically the exchange rate is priobably Port Talbots biggest friend atm. Chinese steel has become 10% more expensive overnight
can't believe Leadsom has secured a role in government at all - all her candidature has done for me is highlight how poor the current crop of politicos is - the left of the labour party have gone from Foot to Corbyn and the right of the tory party from Joseph to Leadsom - in the middle are massed ranks of PR-based no marks and people who think Michael Gove is clever rather than just good at sounding smart to a certain sort of tory.
as a centre right socially liberal tory I think any party member who doesn't see May as the least bad candidate in the most difficult climate at least since Suez is just too sad for words, and I will despair for our country should we have the misfortune to be lumped with Leadsom as PM
Cheer up. There's still some talent around: Rory Stewart comes to mind.
can't believe Leadsom has secured a role in government at all - all her candidature has done for me is highlight how poor the current crop of politicos is - the left of the labour party have gone from Foot to Corbyn and the right of the tory party from Joseph to Leadsom - in the middle are massed ranks of PR-based no marks and people who think Michael Gove is clever rather than just good at sounding smart to a certain sort of tory.
as a centre right socially liberal tory I think any party member who doesn't see May as the least bad candidate in the most difficult climate at least since Suez is just too sad for words, and I will despair for our country should we have the misfortune to be lumped with Leadsom as PM
Back into the "anyone that disagrees with me is an idiot" fortress! How did that work out for you in the referendum?
I don't know if you've noticed this, but a lot of Leavers on this board - including MaxPB and myself - have the same reservations about Leadsom.
I've said it before and I will continue to do so Andrea Leadsom is toxic. Any half decent opposition worth its name would destroy her - fortunately for her we have no such opposition so she may get away with it...for now.
As a Lib Dem I hope she wins as there's plenty of ammo to use against her...not so much with Theresa May
If you can get Tim Whatshisname to generate some sort of public profile so people actually give him a hearing.
I'd also suggest a comparison with Andy Burnham - someone badly found out by a leadership contest and the scrutiny that comes with it. However much more intense given the urgency.
Of course if she does come second, we have weeks of her record and past comments and views to look forward to.
Just a note on faith - all 5 of the Tory leadership candidates are open about their faith (good in my view) but none have been as wrong-footed in answering the inevitable questions that come with it, as Andrea Leadsom has. Surprised as you'd have thought she'd have faced this for years.
Yet Burnham remains in the Shadow Cabinet. Leadsom is, I think, unlikely to be in the Cabinet in 2 months time. I have my doubts about whether she will remain as an MP after the next GE.
Con Home is continuing to record further MP declarations - every new declaration is for May - Leadsom and Gove are completely static. Public declarations are now:
For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB
"Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom has organised a school exchange project for the last 10 years with a Ugandan centre co-run by an anti-gay Christian group that performs “gay cure” ministries and whose founder condemned homosexual love as “a sin”, BuzzFeed News can reveal.
Speaking in Parliament in 2013, Leadsom described the project she set up in 2006 with Richard Johnson, who “runs a fantastic youth centre in Uganda”, called the Discovery Centre. The project involves sending UK students to the centre for conferences and meetings."
Well, it's a link.
For God's sake, virtually everyone in Africa is homophobic. I suppose the anti-Leadsom brigade would be happier if thise children received no help at all. Credit for Leadsom for spending time and effort to help the least among us. What has May done on this front?
I imagine that virtually anyone who does charitable work in Uganda will have dealings with people who are anti-gay.
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Well, she got "down" right...
Is Andrea really going to get more votes than the Justice secretary on the second ballot?
I suppose its like a spoilt child who has a meltdown when they lose at monopoly. Everyone has to indulge her and let her win the next game so she feels better. One upside of May getting the nod will be those who can't take losing will feel they have won and start thinking objectively again.
That said, I think I'd still vote for Gove were I an MP today, purely to assist in keeping Leadsom off the ballot. May for the win.
As you enjoyed it, here's a Spartan one.
Some Spartans were sent to hold talks with the Persians. They were asked if they came in a public or private capacity and answered, "If we succeed, public. If not, private."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yadFh0R8E
May 169
Leadsom 48
Gove 27
(Undeclared - 86)
http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/07/whos-backing-who-our-running-list-of-mps-supporting-each-leadership-candidate.html
Nonsense, it was a very British amble, very similar to shuffling forward in a post office queue.
as a centre right socially liberal tory I think any party member who doesn't see May as the least bad candidate in the most difficult climate at least since Suez is just too sad for words, and I will despair for our country should we have the misfortune to be lumped with Leadsom as PM
For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB
Speaking in Parliament in 2013, Leadsom described the project she set up in 2006 with Richard Johnson, who “runs a fantastic youth centre in Uganda”, called the Discovery Centre. The project involves sending UK students to the centre for conferences and meetings."
Well, it's a link.
That said, if we're discussing intelligence of membership, one might remark that Corbyn is hardly the epitome of greatness.
Edited extra bit: are the PLP actually going to challenge him?
May 174 .. Leadsom 52 .. Gove 28
Of course if she does come second, we have weeks of her record and past comments and views to look forward to.
Just a note on faith - all 5 of the Tory leadership candidates are open about their faith (good in my view) but none have been as wrong-footed in answering the inevitable questions that come with it, as Andrea Leadsom has. Surprised as you'd have thought she'd have faced this for years.
Every time I start to have a high opinion of the human race, I sally off to Twitter and come back with my expectations thoroughly reset.
Not sure who the spoilt child in your analogy is, but I think you need to calm down and reflect that we are none of us Remainers any more.
As a Lib Dem I hope she wins as there's plenty of ammo to use against her...not so much with Theresa May
http://reaction.life/uk-needs-special-trade-representative/
They want to be able to export things to us in which they have a competitive advantage.
In fact, if you look at China <-> Switzerland and USA <-> Australia, the smaller country had to open up their market a lot more than the bigger one.
If I were May, I'd pick Gove, but there we are.
When it came to the vote, he sided with the bigots.
I mean, it's not great, but it's not disastrous either.
Ironically the exchange rate is priobably Port Talbots biggest friend atm. Chinese steel has become 10% more expensive overnight
FWIW I have taken a little, but am wary!
A startling difference in talent pool.
@MrHarryCole
Andrew Cooper has called the Tory leadership election for Liam Fox by ten points.
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Team Gove talking down prospects -Boles text did real damage they say