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edited July 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » In many ways Andrea Leadsom looks like Britain’s Sarah Palin

The similarities with the former Alaska Governor are striking argues Keiran Pedley and therefore Theresa May is surely Britain’s next Prime Minister.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,554
    Wholeheartedly agree Keiran
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Second!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,965
    What time is the ballot result ?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,554
    Pulpstar said:

    What time is the ballot result ?

    Around 4.30pm according to Sky News
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    This is superficial, but Leadsom's smirk is bloody irritating.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @RosamundUrwin: Watching Leadsom a month ago: "What you'll find is on June 23 if we vote leave that [£ volatility] will settle down" https://t.co/mqXSx7t7FY

    Well, she got "down" right...
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    Oh dear, I hadn't seen those Putin comments. Nothing about NATO, sanctions, talking to the US and our friends in the EU. Just a bit of a "well he's a naughty boy and I'd tell him off".
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Polls close in 2 minutes.
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    grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Oh please let Pound Shop Macbeth get the bully-ramming he so richly deserves.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,951
    I've not been good at betting on this Tory race - but felt that Gove was too long at the moment.

    Is Andrea really going to get more votes than the Justice secretary on the second ballot?
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    And yet she could still beat Gove. Tbh I am not really sure what is the point of this thread as we shall need a new one in the next hour or so when the results are known.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    This is superficial, but Leadsom's smirk is bloody irritating.

    I enjoyed your post about Roman negotiation on the previous thread, thanks!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    And yet she could still beat Gove. Tbh I am not really sure what is the point of this thread as we shall need a new one in the next hour or so when the results are known.

    PB works in mysterious ways.
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    DearPBDearPB Posts: 439
    I really think the MPs might put Give through, not tactically as such, I.e not to help May, but rather because they believe they have a responsibility to give the membership a choice of two plausible candidates who they could support if they won.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    MaxPB said:

    Oh dear, I hadn't seen those Putin comments. Nothing about NATO, sanctions, talking to the US and our friends in the EU. Just a bit of a "well he's a naughty boy and I'd tell him off".

    She should have said that she'd keep him in line with the offer of a free trade agreement once we're outside the EU. (And it would actually contain an element of truth.)
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    Sarah Palin never did anything in her life but surf the American right wing. Leadsom has held senior roles in several prestigious businesses. You Remainers are just unhinged.

    I suppose its like a spoilt child who has a meltdown when they lose at monopoly. Everyone has to indulge her and let her win the next game so she feels better. One upside of May getting the nod will be those who can't take losing will feel they have won and start thinking objectively again.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,420
    Hard to see how a Leave supporter is elected whichever one it is. As long as May accepts the Brexit brief, it won't matter.

    That said, I think I'd still vote for Gove were I an MP today, purely to assist in keeping Leadsom off the ballot. May for the win.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    If Andrea Leadsom gets through today, she will be the prime beneficiary of Stephen Crabb having withdrawn on Tuesday. If he had stayed in the race we would have had another weekend of such faux pas, which could only have reduced her chances of making the top two.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Mr. D, thanks :)

    As you enjoyed it, here's a Spartan one.

    Some Spartans were sent to hold talks with the Persians. They were asked if they came in a public or private capacity and answered, "If we succeed, public. If not, private."
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    DearPB said:

    I really think the MPs might put Give through, not tactically as such, I.e not to help May, but rather because they believe they have a responsibility to give the membership a choice of two plausible candidates who they could support if they won.

    Maybe worth a bet on Gove at 20/1.
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    It's all well and good uniting the party, but we need a long-term strategy to weed out the liberals so we can pragmatically re-introduce mild socially conservative policies in a way that it is acceptable to the electorate. Ken Clarke resigning in 2020 is a good start but we need to use the boundary change as the opportunity to speed up the process.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    FPT: Hannan tried to set the right tone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yadFh0R8E
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    MaxPB said:

    Oh dear, I hadn't seen those Putin comments. Nothing about NATO, sanctions, talking to the US and our friends in the EU. Just a bit of a "well he's a naughty boy and I'd tell him off".

    She should have said that she'd keep him in line with the offer of a free trade agreement once we're outside the EU. (And it would actually contain an element of truth.)
    There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,297
    Con Home is continuing to record further MP declarations - every new declaration is for May - Leadsom and Gove are completely static. Public declarations are now:

    May 169
    Leadsom 48
    Gove 27

    (Undeclared - 86)

    http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/07/whos-backing-who-our-running-list-of-mps-supporting-each-leadership-candidate.html
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    MaxPB said:

    Oh dear, I hadn't seen those Putin comments. Nothing about NATO, sanctions, talking to the US and our friends in the EU. Just a bit of a "well he's a naughty boy and I'd tell him off".

    That was the Cameron policy over the Litvinenko inquest, wasn't it?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @stuartmillar159: SCOOP: Andrea Leadsom’s Ugandan Project Has Ties To An Anti-Gay Christian Group https://t.co/1D3TUKFzKM via @jamesrbuk
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    midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112

    Sarah Palin never did anything in her life but surf the American right wing. Leadsom has held senior roles in several prestigious businesses. You Remainers are just unhinged.

    I suppose its like a spoilt child who has a meltdown when they lose at monopoly. Everyone has to indulge her and let her win the next game so she feels better. One upside of May getting the nod will be those who can't take losing will feel they have won and start thinking objectively again.

    Your admiration for the lovely Andrea and her ideology is blinding you to the less compelling aspects of her bid and campaign.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Many will say the comparison is sexist. Perhaps rightly.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    ‘Britain’s most awkward rally’.

    Nonsense, it was a very British amble, very similar to shuffling forward in a post office queue.
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    kingbongokingbongo Posts: 393
    can't believe Leadsom has secured a role in government at all - all her candidature has done for me is highlight how poor the current crop of politicos is - the left of the labour party have gone from Foot to Corbyn and the right of the tory party from Joseph to Leadsom - in the middle are massed ranks of PR-based no marks and people who think Michael Gove is clever rather than just good at sounding smart to a certain sort of tory.

    as a centre right socially liberal tory I think any party member who doesn't see May as the least bad candidate in the most difficult climate at least since Suez is just too sad for words, and I will despair for our country should we have the misfortune to be lumped with Leadsom as PM
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    edited July 2016
    Scott_P said:

    @stuartmillar159: SCOOP: Andrea Leadsom’s Ugandan Project Has Ties To An Anti-Gay Christian Group https://t.co/1D3TUKFzKM via @jamesrbuk

    From the tweet that sounds pretty tenuous.

    For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB :D
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,325
    Even Tory members are not so stupid as to put Andrea straight into Number Ten. Surely?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,965
    MikeL said:

    Con Home is continuing to record further MP declarations - every new declaration is for May - Leadsom and Gove are completely static. Public declarations are now:

    May 169
    Leadsom 48
    Gove 27

    (Undeclared - 86)

    http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/07/whos-backing-who-our-running-list-of-mps-supporting-each-leadership-candidate.html

    The list of names for Leadsome could be involved in the sequel to Jurassic World.
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    kingbongo said:

    can't believe Leadsom has secured a role in government at all - all her candidature has done for me is highlight how poor the current crop of politicos is - the left of the labour party have gone from Foot to Corbyn and the right of the tory party from Joseph to Leadsom - in the middle are massed ranks of PR-based no marks and people who think Michael Gove is clever rather than just good at sounding smart to a certain sort of tory. as a centre right socially liberal tory I think any party member who doesn't see May as the least bad candidate in the most difficult climate at least since Suez is just too sad for words, and I will despair for our country should we have the misfortune to be lumped with Leadsom as PM

    You left out the allegations that she eats babies.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    Many will say the comparison is sexist. Perhaps rightly.

    Isn't it because they are both perceived to be inexperienced? Nothing about gender....
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    kingbongo said:

    can't believe Leadsom has secured a role in government at all - all her candidature has done for me is highlight how poor the current crop of politicos is - the left of the labour party have gone from Foot to Corbyn and the right of the tory party from Joseph to Leadsom - in the middle are massed ranks of PR-based no marks and people who think Michael Gove is clever rather than just good at sounding smart to a certain sort of tory.

    as a centre right socially liberal tory I think any party member who doesn't see May as the least bad candidate in the most difficult climate at least since Suez is just too sad for words, and I will despair for our country should we have the misfortune to be lumped with Leadsom as PM

    Back into the "anyone that disagrees with me is an idiot" fortress! How did that work out for you in the referendum?
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @stuartmillar159: SCOOP: Andrea Leadsom’s Ugandan Project Has Ties To An Anti-Gay Christian Group https://t.co/1D3TUKFzKM via @jamesrbuk

    From the tweet that sounds pretty tenuous.

    For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB :D
    "Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom has organised a school exchange project for the last 10 years with a Ugandan centre co-run by an anti-gay Christian group that performs “gay cure” ministries and whose founder condemned homosexual love as “a sin”, BuzzFeed News can reveal.


    Speaking in Parliament in 2013, Leadsom described the project she set up in 2006 with Richard Johnson, who “runs a fantastic youth centre in Uganda”, called the Discovery Centre. The project involves sending UK students to the centre for conferences and meetings."

    Well, it's a link.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    edited July 2016
    Mr. B2, they backed IDS.

    That said, if we're discussing intelligence of membership, one might remark that Corbyn is hardly the epitome of greatness.

    Edited extra bit: are the PLP actually going to challenge him?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Sky News Latest Numbers

    May 174 .. Leadsom 52 .. Gove 28
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,548
    I'd also suggest a comparison with Andy Burnham - someone badly found out by a leadership contest and the scrutiny that comes with it. However much more intense given the urgency.

    Of course if she does come second, we have weeks of her record and past comments and views to look forward to.

    Just a note on faith - all 5 of the Tory leadership candidates are open about their faith (good in my view) but none have been as wrong-footed in answering the inevitable questions that come with it, as Andrea Leadsom has. Surprised as you'd have thought she'd have faced this for years.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @stuartmillar159: SCOOP: Andrea Leadsom’s Ugandan Project Has Ties To An Anti-Gay Christian Group https://t.co/1D3TUKFzKM via @jamesrbuk

    From the tweet that sounds pretty tenuous.

    For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB :D
    Look what they did to Crabb with the entirely bogus 'gay cure'.

    Every time I start to have a high opinion of the human race, I sally off to Twitter and come back with my expectations thoroughly reset.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    RobD said:

    There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?

    One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Sarah Palin never did anything in her life but surf the American right wing. Leadsom has held senior roles in several prestigious businesses. You Remainers are just unhinged.

    I suppose its like a spoilt child who has a meltdown when they lose at monopoly. Everyone has to indulge her and let her win the next game so she feels better. One upside of May getting the nod will be those who can't take losing will feel they have won and start thinking objectively again.

    Now, that's what I call a petitio principii. Were they senior roles, or were they chief roles?

    Not sure who the spoilt child in your analogy is, but I think you need to calm down and reflect that we are none of us Remainers any more.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    JackW said:

    Sky News Latest Numbers

    May 174 .. Leadsom 52 .. Gove 28

    Plenty more left.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    RobD said:

    There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?

    One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
    How about a free trade deal with everything but steel? :p
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,435
    Scott_P said:
    Her credibility such as it was is pretty shot now
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,057
    John_M said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @stuartmillar159: SCOOP: Andrea Leadsom’s Ugandan Project Has Ties To An Anti-Gay Christian Group https://t.co/1D3TUKFzKM via @jamesrbuk

    From the tweet that sounds pretty tenuous.

    For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB :D
    Look what they did to Crabb with the entirely bogus 'gay cure'.

    Every time I start to have a high opinion of the human race, I sally off to Twitter and come back with my expectations thoroughly reset.
    Whatever else you think of Cameron, he was 100% right with his adage about Twitter.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?

    One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
    How about a free trade deal with everything but steel? :p
    China's actions in rolled steel have been worth of condemnation regardless. We haven't got the tariffs at the moment needed to protect against it.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @stuartmillar159: SCOOP: Andrea Leadsom’s Ugandan Project Has Ties To An Anti-Gay Christian Group https://t.co/1D3TUKFzKM via @jamesrbuk

    From the tweet that sounds pretty tenuous.

    For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB :D
    "Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom has organised a school exchange project for the last 10 years with a Ugandan centre co-run by an anti-gay Christian group that performs “gay cure” ministries and whose founder condemned homosexual love as “a sin”, BuzzFeed News can reveal.


    Speaking in Parliament in 2013, Leadsom described the project she set up in 2006 with Richard Johnson, who “runs a fantastic youth centre in Uganda”, called the Discovery Centre. The project involves sending UK students to the centre for conferences and meetings."

    Well, it's a link.
    But they sound like two seperate projects, unless the school exchange involves being cured of being gay?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,951
    Gove has lengthened from 18-25 on BF....
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    RobD said:

    There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?

    One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
    Wasn't it Britain that blocked EU tariffs against Chinese steel?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    JackW said:

    Sky News Latest Numbers

    May 174 .. Leadsom 52 .. Gove 28

    Astonishing how few MPs have publicly declared for Gove.
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    ToryJim said:

    Scott_P said:
    Her credibility such as it was is pretty shot now
    That article doesn't exactly contain any proof of the claims. Hearsay when Leadom's assertions could probably be contradicted with evidence if the journalist was serious.
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    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @stuartmillar159: SCOOP: Andrea Leadsom’s Ugandan Project Has Ties To An Anti-Gay Christian Group https://t.co/1D3TUKFzKM via @jamesrbuk

    From the tweet that sounds pretty tenuous.

    For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB :D
    "Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom has organised a school exchange project for the last 10 years with a Ugandan centre co-run by an anti-gay Christian group that performs “gay cure” ministries and whose founder condemned homosexual love as “a sin”, BuzzFeed News can reveal.


    Speaking in Parliament in 2013, Leadsom described the project she set up in 2006 with Richard Johnson, who “runs a fantastic youth centre in Uganda”, called the Discovery Centre. The project involves sending UK students to the centre for conferences and meetings."

    Well, it's a link.
    For God's sake, virtually everyone in Africa is homophobic. I suppose the anti-Leadsom brigade would be happier if thise children received no help at all. Credit for Leadsom for spending time and effort to help the least among us. What has May done on this front?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,554

    kingbongo said:

    can't believe Leadsom has secured a role in government at all - all her candidature has done for me is highlight how poor the current crop of politicos is - the left of the labour party have gone from Foot to Corbyn and the right of the tory party from Joseph to Leadsom - in the middle are massed ranks of PR-based no marks and people who think Michael Gove is clever rather than just good at sounding smart to a certain sort of tory. as a centre right socially liberal tory I think any party member who doesn't see May as the least bad candidate in the most difficult climate at least since Suez is just too sad for words, and I will despair for our country should we have the misfortune to be lumped with Leadsom as PM

    You left out the allegations that she eats babies.
    Happy with my rebuttal of your nonsense on the previous thread? Or do you want me to go further?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    Sky News Latest Numbers

    May 174 .. Leadsom 52 .. Gove 28

    Plenty more left.
    75 undeclared. PM not voting.
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    I've said it before and I will continue to do so Andrea Leadsom is toxic. Any half decent opposition worth its name would destroy her - fortunately for her we have no such opposition so she may get away with it...for now.

    As a Lib Dem I hope she wins as there's plenty of ammo to use against her...not so much with Theresa May
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Liked this. I must say Iain Martin's site really is off to a great start. Quality articles pretty much every day.

    http://reaction.life/uk-needs-special-trade-representative/
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,045
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?

    One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
    How about a free trade deal with everything but steel? :p
    China would say no, obviously.

    They want to be able to export things to us in which they have a competitive advantage.

    In fact, if you look at China <-> Switzerland and USA <-> Australia, the smaller country had to open up their market a lot more than the bigger one.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Mr. Jim, yet it seems likely she'll make the final two.

    If I were May, I'd pick Gove, but there we are.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    John_M said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @stuartmillar159: SCOOP: Andrea Leadsom’s Ugandan Project Has Ties To An Anti-Gay Christian Group https://t.co/1D3TUKFzKM via @jamesrbuk

    From the tweet that sounds pretty tenuous.

    For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB :D
    Look what they did to Crabb with the entirely bogus 'gay cure'.

    Every time I start to have a high opinion of the human race, I sally off to Twitter and come back with my expectations thoroughly reset.
    Crabb's views on homosexuality change depending on his audience.

    When it came to the vote, he sided with the bigots.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    ToryJim said:

    Scott_P said:
    Her credibility such as it was is pretty shot now
    Because of an anonymous quote?
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    This is quite an apt comparison (assuming she doesn't win, of course).
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @stuartmillar159: SCOOP: Andrea Leadsom’s Ugandan Project Has Ties To An Anti-Gay Christian Group https://t.co/1D3TUKFzKM via @jamesrbuk

    From the tweet that sounds pretty tenuous.

    For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB :D
    "Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom has organised a school exchange project for the last 10 years with a Ugandan centre co-run by an anti-gay Christian group that performs “gay cure” ministries and whose founder condemned homosexual love as “a sin”, BuzzFeed News can reveal.


    Speaking in Parliament in 2013, Leadsom described the project she set up in 2006 with Richard Johnson, who “runs a fantastic youth centre in Uganda”, called the Discovery Centre. The project involves sending UK students to the centre for conferences and meetings."

    Well, it's a link.
    But they sound like two seperate projects, unless the school exchange involves being cured of being gay?
    Presumably the school/centre does that part and Leadsom wants schools to visit the centre.

    I mean, it's not great, but it's not disastrous either.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,283
    AndyJS said:

    JackW said:

    Sky News Latest Numbers

    May 174 .. Leadsom 52 .. Gove 28

    Astonishing how few MPs have publicly declared for Gove.
    Oh please, please let this be wrong and Gove is through rather than that woman.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    Indigo said:

    FPT: Hannan tried to set the right tone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yadFh0R8E

    Thanks for posting that. I hope he succeeded.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    RobD said:

    There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?

    One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
    Wasn't it Britain that blocked EU tariffs against Chinese steel?
    Good point. The same people who say the first two things also tell us that the UK had no say in EU decisions. It's a three-way self-contradiction.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,045
    Indigo said:

    FPT: Hannan tried to set the right tone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yadFh0R8E

    I love Dan Hannan. That's exactly the right tone. (Much, much better than Farage.)
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    I've said it before and I will continue to do so Andrea Leadsom is toxic. Any half decent opposition worth its name would destroy her - fortunately for her we have no such opposition so she may get away with it...for now.

    As a Lib Dem I hope she wins as there's plenty of ammo to use against her...not so much with Theresa May

    Not against Corbyn and McDonnell.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,878

    AndyJS said:

    JackW said:

    Sky News Latest Numbers

    May 174 .. Leadsom 52 .. Gove 28

    Astonishing how few MPs have publicly declared for Gove.
    Oh please, please let this be wrong and Gove is through rather than that woman.
    "That woman"?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,951
    Gove out to 34 now...
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    AndyJS said:

    JackW said:

    Sky News Latest Numbers

    May 174 .. Leadsom 52 .. Gove 28

    Astonishing how few MPs have publicly declared for Gove.
    May is the only candidate to increase declared support from Round 1 figures despite two candidates exiting the contest.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Scott_P said:
    To be fair, given the turnover of staff at Barclays, I'd be surprised if anyone who was there at the same time as her is still there.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,435

    ToryJim said:

    Scott_P said:
    Her credibility such as it was is pretty shot now
    Because of an anonymous quote?
    No volume of attacks. You can't fight a war on 5 dozen fronts.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Michael Gove can now be backed at 34 for next Conservative party leader on Betfair for large sums. Someone seems to think it's all over for him.
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    ToryJim said:

    Scott_P said:
    Her credibility such as it was is pretty shot now
    Out of several thousand people who work at Barclays they managed to get two anonymous quotes, one from someone who never worked with her. We don't know who these people are, what their motivations are, or what their politics are. The level of confirmation bias you lot are suffering from is off the scale. I hope you never serve on a jury.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,760
    edited July 2016

    RobD said:

    There was talk in the Telegraph of China being interested in a deal. Surely that would be difficult given steel prices?

    One big advantage of leaving the EU is that we can protect our steel industry with tariffs if necessary. Another is that we can do a Free Trade Deal with China. Or so we are told, often by the same person.
    We could have done a steel deal in the EU but Cameron vetoed it.

    Ironically the exchange rate is priobably Port Talbots biggest friend atm. Chinese steel has become 10% more expensive overnight
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    GIN1138 said:

    AndyJS said:

    JackW said:

    Sky News Latest Numbers

    May 174 .. Leadsom 52 .. Gove 28

    Astonishing how few MPs have publicly declared for Gove.
    Oh please, please let this be wrong and Gove is through rather than that woman.
    "That woman"?
    as opposed to "that other (bloody difficult) woman"
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Big chunk at 34.0 on Gove available here: https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.101193124

    FWIW I have taken a little, but am wary!
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,283
    kingbongo said:

    can't believe Leadsom has secured a role in government at all - all her candidature has done for me is highlight how poor the current crop of politicos is - the left of the labour party have gone from Foot to Corbyn and the right of the tory party from Joseph to Leadsom - in the middle are massed ranks of PR-based no marks and people who think Michael Gove is clever rather than just good at sounding smart to a certain sort of tory.

    as a centre right socially liberal tory I think any party member who doesn't see May as the least bad candidate in the most difficult climate at least since Suez is just too sad for words, and I will despair for our country should we have the misfortune to be lumped with Leadsom as PM

    Cheer up. There's still some talent around: Rory Stewart comes to mind.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,045

    kingbongo said:

    can't believe Leadsom has secured a role in government at all - all her candidature has done for me is highlight how poor the current crop of politicos is - the left of the labour party have gone from Foot to Corbyn and the right of the tory party from Joseph to Leadsom - in the middle are massed ranks of PR-based no marks and people who think Michael Gove is clever rather than just good at sounding smart to a certain sort of tory.

    as a centre right socially liberal tory I think any party member who doesn't see May as the least bad candidate in the most difficult climate at least since Suez is just too sad for words, and I will despair for our country should we have the misfortune to be lumped with Leadsom as PM

    Back into the "anyone that disagrees with me is an idiot" fortress! How did that work out for you in the referendum?
    I don't know if you've noticed this, but a lot of Leavers on this board - including MaxPB and myself - have the same reservations about Leadsom.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    AnneJGP said:

    Indigo said:

    FPT: Hannan tried to set the right tone

    ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yadFh0R8E

    Thanks for posting that. I hope he succeeded.
    Seconded.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,965

    Michael Gove can now be backed at 34 for next Conservative party leader on Betfair for large sums. Someone seems to think it's all over for him.

    I'm not going to bother, I think this a bayesian market now.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    I've said it before and I will continue to do so Andrea Leadsom is toxic. Any half decent opposition worth its name would destroy her - fortunately for her we have no such opposition so she may get away with it...for now.

    As a Lib Dem I hope she wins as there's plenty of ammo to use against her...not so much with Theresa May

    If you can get Tim Whatshisname to generate some sort of public profile so people actually give him a hearing.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    tpfkar said:

    I'd also suggest a comparison with Andy Burnham - someone badly found out by a leadership contest and the scrutiny that comes with it. However much more intense given the urgency.

    Of course if she does come second, we have weeks of her record and past comments and views to look forward to.

    Just a note on faith - all 5 of the Tory leadership candidates are open about their faith (good in my view) but none have been as wrong-footed in answering the inevitable questions that come with it, as Andrea Leadsom has. Surprised as you'd have thought she'd have faced this for years.

    Yet Burnham remains in the Shadow Cabinet. Leadsom is, I think, unlikely to be in the Cabinet in 2 months time. I have my doubts about whether she will remain as an MP after the next GE.

    A startling difference in talent pool.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Big chunk at 34.0 on Gove available here: https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.101193124

    FWIW I have taken a little, but am wary!

    leak?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,997
    Mr. Pulpstar, what is the meaning of a bayesian market?
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    rcs1000 said:

    Indigo said:

    FPT: Hannan tried to set the right tone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yadFh0R8E

    I love Dan Hannan. That's exactly the right tone. (Much, much better than Farage.)
    I am a Hannanite. Sounds biblical. I like it. Not sure if he's a hard Brexiter. If so, he's a heretic! Burn him!
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,283

    Michael Gove can now be backed at 34 for next Conservative party leader on Betfair for large sums. Someone seems to think it's all over for him.

    Didn't last long. Now at 26.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Pulpstar said:

    MikeL said:

    Con Home is continuing to record further MP declarations - every new declaration is for May - Leadsom and Gove are completely static. Public declarations are now:

    May 169
    Leadsom 48
    Gove 27

    (Undeclared - 86)

    http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/07/whos-backing-who-our-running-list-of-mps-supporting-each-leadership-candidate.html

    The list of names for Leadsome could be involved in the sequel to Jurassic World.
    I've just noticed Steve Baker is backing Leadsom. Baker as CoE? :)

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    AnneJGP said:

    Indigo said:

    FPT: Hannan tried to set the right tone

    ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yadFh0R8E

    Thanks for posting that. I hope he succeeded.
    Seconded.

    He's a good egg. Also enjoyed the French.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    JackW said:

    AndyJS said:

    JackW said:

    Sky News Latest Numbers

    May 174 .. Leadsom 52 .. Gove 28

    Astonishing how few MPs have publicly declared for Gove.
    May is the only candidate to increase declared support from Round 1 figures despite two candidates exiting the contest.
    previous contest suggest that MPs move from lower down to higher placed candidates. Carbb would have lost support.
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    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    Andrew Cooper has called the Tory leadership election for Liam Fox by ten points.
    4m

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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Michael Gove can now be backed at 34 for next Conservative party leader on Betfair for large sums. Someone seems to think it's all over for him.

    Maybe related to this tweet: @elliotttimes

    Team Gove talking down prospects -Boles text did real damage they say
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Hayley_Barlow: Fmr colleague of @andrealeadsom: ‘She was a part-time assistant to the chief investment officer’ https://t.co/jSIs8MjilQ - intv #c4news 7pm
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    Andrew Cooper has called the Tory leadership election for Liam Fox by ten points.
    4m

    titter
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,889

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @stuartmillar159: SCOOP: Andrea Leadsom’s Ugandan Project Has Ties To An Anti-Gay Christian Group https://t.co/1D3TUKFzKM via @jamesrbuk

    From the tweet that sounds pretty tenuous.

    For example, I have ties to many frothing lefties through PB :D
    "Tory leadership hopeful Andrea Leadsom has organised a school exchange project for the last 10 years with a Ugandan centre co-run by an anti-gay Christian group that performs “gay cure” ministries and whose founder condemned homosexual love as “a sin”, BuzzFeed News can reveal.


    Speaking in Parliament in 2013, Leadsom described the project she set up in 2006 with Richard Johnson, who “runs a fantastic youth centre in Uganda”, called the Discovery Centre. The project involves sending UK students to the centre for conferences and meetings."

    Well, it's a link.
    For God's sake, virtually everyone in Africa is homophobic. I suppose the anti-Leadsom brigade would be happier if thise children received no help at all. Credit for Leadsom for spending time and effort to help the least among us. What has May done on this front?
    I imagine that virtually anyone who does charitable work in Uganda will have dealings with people who are anti-gay.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: Has Gove done it? Gloomy Leadsom faces, happy Gove ones
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