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    Indigo said:

    James Kirkup
    @jameskirkup
    130 MPs who voted for Leadsom/Gove is v close to number who voted Leave. If she's PM, T May will have to work v hard to unite party.

    If May's camp carry on putting the boot in for the next 6-8 weeks all it will do is guarantee 80 or so Tory MPs that won't vote for anything May wants to do when she gets elected PM.
    It reeks of the Government doing no preparation for Brexit before the vote. There are two candidates going to the membership and either could be the Tory leader. Damaging one of them based on trumped up tenuous stories is partisan masochism.
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    grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Who will be the first to write the inside story novella on how Gove managed to stab himself to death when going for a colleague with his wife's double handed knife?
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    NormNorm Posts: 1,251

    Boris Johnson will be wanking himself to sleep with glee tonight.

    Mr Grabcocque you were waiting for that.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Isn't it a little sinister that the leader of one political party is looking to support a candidate to lead a rival political party?
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,343
    That could just be the connection that does her real harm
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    You can't choose who supports you. It's like saying LFC are a damaged club because Pope John Paul II is a supporter and a terrible person. It's a poor argument.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    Isn't it a little sinister that the leader of one political party is looking to support a candidate to lead a rival political party?

    Well he is retiring.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    How do women get away with wearing that in parliament when men have to wear suits and ties?
    Who gives a feck? What politicians wear in the house should be the least of our worries.
    Standards, dear boy, standards. As a leader of people who go into dangerous situations I am sure you know that the people who can't be trusted on the little things sure as hell can't be trusted on the big ones.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,052

    I ask again, what the hell are MI5 doing all day?

    Good point. Still there are some of us who worried about the fate of Donald Trump...
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    TGOHF said:

    So we now have X weeks of the great and the sneering of Westminster and the media pouring pontificating scorn onto Leadsome thus driving her into the hearts of the Con members.

    Nobody has learned anything.

    Precisely.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Four former Barclays bankers who rigged global interest rates 'like bookmakers trying to nobble a horse in the Grand National' are jailed for a total of more than 17 years

    Peter Johnson, 61, and Jonathan Mathew, 35, agreed to fix US dollar Libor
    Information they submitted affected Libor calculations across all banks
    Rigging took place in the lead up to the 2008 financial market crash



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679057/Four-former-Barclays-bankers-rigged-global-rates-like-bookmakers-trying-nobble-horse-Grand-National-jailed-total-17-years.html#ixzz4DjtMznsQ

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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,278
    When am I going to wake up from this nightmare? It's been going on for months.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited July 2016

    That could just be the connection that does her real harm
    Are you joking ? She's just been endorsed by our time's Horatio Nelson.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Theresa May will win because she has a level of experience that Andrea Leadsom does not.

    All Theresa really has to do is ensure that she has a genuinely committed Brexit bunch dealing with negotiations.

    There are more than enough face saving fig leaves available to the UK and EU to balance their supposedly irreconcilable positions.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,711
    Does no one want to have a political party in the centre... you know, where most people are??
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,362
    Scott_P said:
    A retweet from Scott n'Paste Scott P that the Sunil on Sunday actually endorses :)
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261

    May's going to lose this. She's going up against someone who will be seen as the second coming of Thatcher being actively supported by Boris Johnson.

    Quite possible.

    I wonder how long Leadsom will last if she gets it? I mean the party will back her at first but the parliamentary party overwhelmingly don't want her. A year, maybe 2 before a coup?
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    How do women get away with wearing that in parliament when men have to wear suits and ties?
    Sadly
    image
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    DaveDaveDaveDave Posts: 76
    You never know who will make the best PM. Major was loved but was useless. Maggie was seen as nobody but was perfect. Leadsom fits we right wing loons. May really has no charm. I know that means little but will she have passion when politics is more important than logic? I don't know but I'm backing the mad rightie.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,502
    rcs1000 said:

    Comparing the leadbangers to momentum is a bit too much though isnt it? With Corbyn he had a long history and they knew they were electing a marxist. Leadsom is just an unknown upon whom (a bit like Brexit) people can project a fantasy of choice.

    That's it, isn't it? A blank slate is a fabulous candidate that everyone can project their hopes onto (Mr Obama...) And Ms Leadsom is defenitely that. We know nothing of her beliefs, except that she used to think leaving the EU was a disaster, and now thinks it's awesome.
    A grossly simplistic characterisation of her views.
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    People were moaning about a possible Boris-Trump dream/nightmare scenario. Leadsome-Trump would be quite a ride!
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Amber Rudd is supporting Ms May and has had a good EUref.Methinks she's going up the greasy ladder.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Indigo said:

    How do women get away with wearing that in parliament when men have to wear suits and ties?
    Sadly
    image
    Goodness, Nick Clegg was so handsome.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,960
    PlatoSaid said:

    Four former Barclays bankers who rigged global interest rates 'like bookmakers trying to nobble a horse in the Grand National' are jailed for a total of more than 17 years

    Peter Johnson, 61, and Jonathan Mathew, 35, agreed to fix US dollar Libor
    Information they submitted affected Libor calculations across all banks
    Rigging took place in the lead up to the 2008 financial market crash



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679057/Four-former-Barclays-bankers-rigged-global-rates-like-bookmakers-trying-nobble-horse-Grand-National-jailed-total-17-years.html#ixzz4DjtMznsQ

    Good.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,343

    That could just be the connection that does her real harm
    Are you joking ? She just been endorsed by our times Horatio Nelson.
    He is no Nelson - he is toxic
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,362

    Boris Johnson will be wanking himself to sleep with glee tonight.

    Welcome back, grabcoque!
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    FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    I think May will squish Leadsom during the campaign.

    May will lack the flamboyance of Johnson or the ultra-ease of Cameron but she is a high-level political operator who communicates very well and has a lot of experience.

    I also disagree that she will be a vote for Remain. May is not a Europhile and neither is she stupid or stubborn.

    She will understand - indeed, her nomination speech last week struck the perfect tone - that the Brexit voters won and any attempt to dissemble or ignore will tear the Tories apart.

    Personally, I think she will be a very good PM for these troubled times.

    And I say that as someone who voted Brexit.
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    PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Farage endorsement underlines narrative emerging amongst May supporting MPs that Leadsom is the Corbyn of the Tories https://t.co/MGJm9ZP5I6

    Not sure that's a great narrative for May's supporters: describing Leadsom as the candidate the parliamentary establishment are desperate to block but who represents the views of members.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    jonny83 said:

    I mean the party will back her at first but the parliamentary party overwhelmingly don't want her. A year, maybe 2 before a coup?

    Depends on the economy and the negotiations.

    If both are going badly, it will end swiftly
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,362
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/iainmcgill/status/751081722482221060

    PB Tory smugness may be unbearable for the next few days... years!
    Margaret Thatcher in a BBC interview in 1973:

    "I don't think there will be a woman Prime Minister in my lifetime."

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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    "It was always sensible to assume a Leave supporter would inherit Number 10 from David Cameron"

    It seems, by his own admission, that, no, it wasn't.

    Here, in one sentence, we have to two things that are fundamentally wrong with political predicting at the moment:

    1. we have the polling industry getting just about everything horribly wrong (yes, you can point to one or two pollsters who weren't bad but what use is that if you don't know ahead of the event which pollster will be the least worst). Pollsters are getting it wrong because they rely on asking the right questions and then manipulating the numbers to fit with their model of what the future electorate will be. But the electorate is changing in a sea shift and pollsters continue to focus on the wrong questions (forced VI when much of the electorate doesn't like any of the items on the menu);
    2. we have the political punditry getting it horribly wrong because they have not understood the paradigm shift, and their models, too, are wrong. For the most part, they are so vested in the old model they cannot imagine the new truths.

    I am not claiming any helpful insights here. Just making an observation, expecting to be regularly surprised by voting outcomes in the West in the coming couple of years, and vowing to ignore the predictions of pundits and pollsters alike, while still listening to them and trying to understand the deeper factors driving the new body politic.
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    SeanT said:

    They have to truncate this leadership. Two/three weeks is enough. The economy cannot bear ten fucking weeks of instability.

    The entire country is effectively without leadership, at one of the most dangerous times in recent history. Since the war, probably.

    Why, you signed up to the Andrea Leadsom message that Brexit wouldn't impact on the UK economy.

    Sack up you mewling quim
    Yo, TSE!

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    Suck it up, bitch!
    hahaha!
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    Polruan said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Farage endorsement underlines narrative emerging amongst May supporting MPs that Leadsom is the Corbyn of the Tories https://t.co/MGJm9ZP5I6

    Not sure that's a great narrative for May's supporters: describing Leadsom as the candidate the parliamentary establishment are desperate to block but who represents the views of members.
    UKIP members.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited July 2016
    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO
    Mr Nabavi

    Any others?
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    It's very amusing that Andrea Leadsom's main claim as the non-Establishment candidate is that she's a talented and experienced investment banker.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/iainmcgill/status/751081722482221060

    PB Tory smugness may be unbearable for the next few days... years!
    Margaret Thatcher in a BBC interview in 1973:

    "I don't think there will be a woman Prime Minister in my lifetime."

    Maybe she was channelling her inner Elizabeth I at Tilbury.
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    edited July 2016

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO

    Any others?

    I joined in February as a previous UKIPer because I foresaw the exact events that have since unfolded. I only wish I bet more money on those beliefs :D
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO

    Any others?

    I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO

    Any others?

    Plus Richard Nabavi, Tissue Price, David Herdson, TC PolBet, Marquee Mark, Casino,
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    edited July 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    Four former Barclays bankers who rigged global interest rates 'like bookmakers trying to nobble a horse in the Grand National' are jailed for a total of more than 17 years

    Peter Johnson, 61, and Jonathan Mathew, 35, agreed to fix US dollar Libor
    Information they submitted affected Libor calculations across all banks
    Rigging took place in the lead up to the 2008 financial market crash



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679057/Four-former-Barclays-bankers-rigged-global-rates-like-bookmakers-trying-nobble-horse-Grand-National-jailed-total-17-years.html#ixzz4DjtMznsQ

    Are you saying we should be cautious of former Barclays investment bankers?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,536

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO
    Mr Nabavi

    Any others?

    Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    For me it kinda depends the kind of team each can present.

    If Leadsom can look like she will re-assemble the team that won 17 million votes against the odds, she may well win.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,869

    When am I going to wake up from this nightmare? It's been going on for months.

    Don't you find it fascinating to see the ancien regime crumbling, and history being made in front of you?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    Fenster said:

    I think May will squish Leadsom during the campaign.

    May will lack the flamboyance of Johnson or the ultra-ease of Cameron but she is a high-level political operator who communicates very well and has a lot of experience.

    I also disagree that she will be a vote for Remain. May is not a Europhile and neither is she stupid or stubborn.

    She will understand - indeed, her nomination speech last week struck the perfect tone - that the Brexit voters won and any attempt to dissemble or ignore will tear the Tories apart.

    Personally, I think she will be a very good PM for these troubled times.

    And I say that as someone who voted Brexit.

    I hope you're right. I think you will be, in this case people will choose experience.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    PlatoSaid said:

    Four former Barclays bankers who rigged global interest rates 'like bookmakers trying to nobble a horse in the Grand National' are jailed for a total of more than 17 years

    Peter Johnson, 61, and Jonathan Mathew, 35, agreed to fix US dollar Libor
    Information they submitted affected Libor calculations across all banks
    Rigging took place in the lead up to the 2008 financial market crash



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679057/Four-former-Barclays-bankers-rigged-global-rates-like-bookmakers-trying-nobble-horse-Grand-National-jailed-total-17-years.html#ixzz4DjtMznsQ

    I'll bite. Explain to me the direct and indirect consequences. Precisely.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,108
    rcs1000 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Four former Barclays bankers who rigged global interest rates 'like bookmakers trying to nobble a horse in the Grand National' are jailed for a total of more than 17 years

    Peter Johnson, 61, and Jonathan Mathew, 35, agreed to fix US dollar Libor
    Information they submitted affected Libor calculations across all banks
    Rigging took place in the lead up to the 2008 financial market crash



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679057/Four-former-Barclays-bankers-rigged-global-rates-like-bookmakers-trying-nobble-horse-Grand-National-jailed-total-17-years.html#ixzz4DjtMznsQ

    Are you saying we should be cautious of former Barclays investment bankers?
    It's ok. None of them had heard of Leadsom until now.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO
    Mr Nabavi

    Any others?

    Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.
    Do we have a breakdown of their intentions?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,536
    Well if this tweet doesn't sum up Leadsom's unfitness to be Tory leader I don't know what will..

    https://twitter.com/WinstonMcK/status/751085533045071872
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,711
    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes 57 secs57 seconds ago

    I'll rephrase it more precisely: Hague, IDS and Cameron were all second in the first round of the MP's ballot before winning. @Dannythefink


    oh crap...
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,869
    MaxPB said:

    Polruan said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Farage endorsement underlines narrative emerging amongst May supporting MPs that Leadsom is the Corbyn of the Tories https://t.co/MGJm9ZP5I6

    Not sure that's a great narrative for May's supporters: describing Leadsom as the candidate the parliamentary establishment are desperate to block but who represents the views of members.
    UKIP members.
    Perhaps if Andrea Leadsom wins, she'll merge the two parties.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    JackW said:

    Gove not endorsing either May or Leadsom .... yet .... :smile:

    He is waiting for his wife's email.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,960
    edited July 2016

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO
    Mr Nabavi

    Any others?

    Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.
    I don't have a vote but my mum and Dad do :)

    Can tell you categorically, without hesitation it is two May votes.
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    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO
    Mr Nabavi

    Any others?

    Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.
    I do!
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    PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    MaxPB said:

    Polruan said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Farage endorsement underlines narrative emerging amongst May supporting MPs that Leadsom is the Corbyn of the Tories https://t.co/MGJm9ZP5I6

    Not sure that's a great narrative for May's supporters: describing Leadsom as the candidate the parliamentary establishment are desperate to block but who represents the views of members.
    UKIP members.
    I don't think you could slide a fag paper between the views of many Conservative members and this of many UKIP members; you could get a whole fag packet between those of the parliamentary party and the members.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Who will be the first to write the inside story novella on how Gove managed to stab himself to death when going for a colleague with his wife's double handed knife?

    There is a reason Gove isn't declaring his support one suspects. He wants to be Minister For BrExit. He will want to cut a deal for his support and maybe keep his powder dry until he sees who looks like winning in the country.

    I think May might be sensible and run a positive campaign. The problem is the metro leftie media is going to sledge Leadsom for the next six weeks and drive her into the arms of the Conservative Party members. May will win on her own terms, only to loose because the BBC cant shut the fuck up.
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    Fenster said:

    I think May will squish Leadsom during the campaign.

    May will lack the flamboyance of Johnson or the ultra-ease of Cameron but she is a high-level political operator who communicates very well and has a lot of experience.

    I also disagree that she will be a vote for Remain. May is not a Europhile and neither is she stupid or stubborn.

    She will understand - indeed, her nomination speech last week struck the perfect tone - that the Brexit voters won and any attempt to dissemble or ignore will tear the Tories apart.

    Personally, I think she will be a very good PM for these troubled times.

    And I say that as someone who voted Brexit.

    She is at present largely a proxy for remainers who want to pretend the vote hasn't happened and second referendum idiots. Why did she meet with Branson btw?

    At the very least she will now be pushed into positions which expose what she really wants on EEA/EFTA and that will be very revealing to members who want straightforward out.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,536
    RobD said:

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO
    Mr Nabavi

    Any others?

    Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.
    Do we have a breakdown of their intentions?
    Last time we did a sweep all of us were voting for Mrs May, one undecided, and one Leadsomite.

    I wanted to vote for Gove, as reward for shafting Boris, but JohnO 'persuaded' me to back Mrs May
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    Polruan said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Farage endorsement underlines narrative emerging amongst May supporting MPs that Leadsom is the Corbyn of the Tories https://t.co/MGJm9ZP5I6

    Not sure that's a great narrative for May's supporters: describing Leadsom as the candidate the parliamentary establishment are desperate to block but who represents the views of members.
    UKIP members.
    Perhaps if Andrea Leadsom wins, she'll merge the two parties.
    Which will be my cue to leave.
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    shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672

    I don't think that the economic news over the next few weeks is going to be entirely to Andrea Leadsom's advantage. See the final afternoon summary here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jul/07/pound-dollar-brexit-politicians-city-stock-markets-retail-live

    tory REMAIN had executive power; LEAVE did not.

    With power comes responsibility.

    Such is the legacy of David "why should I do the difficult shit" Cameron (REMAINER).
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031

    rcs1000 said:

    Comparing the leadbangers to momentum is a bit too much though isnt it? With Corbyn he had a long history and they knew they were electing a marxist. Leadsom is just an unknown upon whom (a bit like Brexit) people can project a fantasy of choice.

    That's it, isn't it? A blank slate is a fabulous candidate that everyone can project their hopes onto (Mr Obama...) And Ms Leadsom is defenitely that. We know nothing of her beliefs, except that she used to think leaving the EU was a disaster, and now thinks it's awesome.
    A grossly simplistic characterisation of her views.
    OK. List Leadsom's policy positions on things other than the EU?

    ...she's against gay marriage
    ...she's in favour of more renewables subsidies

    And on the EU, she was in favour of it - saying Brexit would be a disaster - before she was against it.

    And that's before the fact that she lied on her CV and in Who's Who, and only updated it when it was obvious she was caught. She claimed to be the Chief Investment Officer in Invesco Perpetual, ffs.
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    Sean_F said:

    When am I going to wake up from this nightmare? It's been going on for months.

    Don't you find it fascinating to see the ancien regime crumbling, and history being made in front of you?
    It is truly amazing. Scary, but amazing.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    RobD said:

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO
    Mr Nabavi

    Any others?

    Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.
    Do we have a breakdown of their intentions?
    Last time we did a sweep all of us were voting for Mrs May, one undecided, and one Leadsomite.

    I wanted to vote for Gove, as reward for shafting Boris, but JohnO 'persuaded' me to back Mrs May
    Sensible chap!
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Expect a big push now to get expose Shariah May for her rotten track record and to put her on the spot over her real position on Brexit .At last the chance for a socially conservative government beckons.

    Her record on "controlling" immigration is very poor ! For the EU bit. The non-EU bit was well within her remit. She failed [ according to Little Englanders ]
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,536

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes 57 secs57 seconds ago

    I'll rephrase it more precisely: Hague, IDS and Cameron were all second in the first round of the MP's ballot before winning. @Dannythefink


    oh crap...

    Mrs May had a 115 MP lead over the loathsome Leadsom, whereas Hague, IDS, and Cameron only trailed by tepid amounts
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    paging SeanT

    @IanDunt: Leadsom is probably going to win. We're all going to die.

    @ChairmanMoet: @IanDunt Only the lucky ones will die
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO
    Mr Nabavi

    Any others?

    Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/iainmcgill/status/751081722482221060

    PB Tory smugness may be unbearable for the next few days... years!
    Margaret Thatcher in a BBC interview in 1973:

    "I don't think there will be a woman Prime Minister in my lifetime."

    That was a genius thing to say by her. She downplayed her chances of getting the top job meaning she wasn't the front runner which is a bad thing if you want to be leader of the Conservative party.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    MaxPB said:

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO

    Any others?

    I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.
    I am not a member of the Conservatives, nor any other political party.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    Polruan said:

    MaxPB said:

    Polruan said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: Farage endorsement underlines narrative emerging amongst May supporting MPs that Leadsom is the Corbyn of the Tories https://t.co/MGJm9ZP5I6

    Not sure that's a great narrative for May's supporters: describing Leadsom as the candidate the parliamentary establishment are desperate to block but who represents the views of members.
    UKIP members.
    I don't think you could slide a fag paper between the views of many Conservative members and this of many UKIP members; you could get a whole fag packet between those of the parliamentary party and the members.
    Not really, I'm a member and go to various events. 40% of members voted to remain, and of the 60% who were in the leave camp I'd say around half voted on the basis of immigration to a great extent and the rest voted on the basis of just getting out of the EU.

    At a push I'd guess that Leadsom has a ceiling of around 40% in terms of her support in the membership, but that could go up if May's campaign goes badly or there is any evidence that she won't serve A50.
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    It's very amusing that Andrea Leadsom's main claim as the non-Establishment candidate is that she's a talented and experienced investment banker.

    who had an epiphany and found her true calling - to free hard working men of Britain from the bureaucratic chains of the Europen Union and launch us into the age of prosperity. Or majorly fuck shit up.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    RobD said:

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO
    Mr Nabavi

    Any others?

    Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.
    Do we have a breakdown of their intentions?
    Last time we did a sweep all of us were voting for Mrs May, one undecided, and one Leadsomite.

    I wanted to vote for Gove, as reward for shafting Boris, but JohnO 'persuaded' me to back Mrs May
    Of course those who choose to chat politics on a cross-party blog are probably more likely to be closer to the centre.
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    PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    surbiton said:

    Expect a big push now to get expose Shariah May for her rotten track record and to put her on the spot over her real position on Brexit .At last the chance for a socially conservative government beckons.

    Her record on "controlling" immigration is very poor ! For the EU bit. The non-EU bit was well within her remit. She failed [ according to Little Englanders ]
    I've not really been concentrating; has any interviewer yet taken the opportunity to ask May to spell out how her implementation of the Brexit vote will resolve the unreasonable rights accorded to cat-owning illegal immigrants?
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,990
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Comparing the leadbangers to momentum is a bit too much though isnt it? With Corbyn he had a long history and they knew they were electing a marxist. Leadsom is just an unknown upon whom (a bit like Brexit) people can project a fantasy of choice.

    That's it, isn't it? A blank slate is a fabulous candidate that everyone can project their hopes onto (Mr Obama...) And Ms Leadsom is defenitely that. We know nothing of her beliefs, except that she used to think leaving the EU was a disaster, and now thinks it's awesome.
    A grossly simplistic characterisation of her views.
    OK. List Leadsom's policy positions on things other than the EU?

    ...she's against gay marriage
    ...she's in favour of more renewables subsidies

    And on the EU, she was in favour of it - saying Brexit would be a disaster - before she was against it.

    And that's before the fact that she lied on her CV and in Who's Who, and only updated it when it was obvious she was caught. She claimed to be the Chief Investment Officer in Invesco Perpetual, ffs.
    + a potentially interesting tax return to come.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO

    Any others?

    I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.
    I am not a member of the Conservatives, nor any other political party.
    I wish you had paid up the £25.
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    surbiton said:

    Expect a big push now to get expose Shariah May for her rotten track record and to put her on the spot over her real position on Brexit .At last the chance for a socially conservative government beckons.

    Her record on "controlling" immigration is very poor ! For the EU bit. The non-EU bit was well within her remit. She failed [ according to Little Englanders ]
    Failed miserably and it will come back to haunt her over a two month campaign.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    IDS now predicting that UKIP will disappear. #notverygoodatpolitics
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,536
    1997 Tory leadership, First round, William Hague trailed Ken Clarke by 8 votes

    2001 Tory leadership, First round IDS trailed Michael Portillo by 10 votes

    2005 Tory leadership, First round David Cameron trailed David Davis by 6 votes

    2016 Tory leadership, First round Andrea Leadsom trailed Theresa May by 99 votes
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    IDS now predicting that UKIP will disappear. #notverygoodatpolitics

    Yes, he wants to do it by turning the Tories into UKIP.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,013

    RobD said:

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO
    Mr Nabavi

    Any others?

    Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.
    Do we have a breakdown of their intentions?
    Last time we did a sweep all of us were voting for Mrs May, one undecided, and one Leadsomite.

    I wanted to vote for Gove, as reward for shafting Boris, but JohnO 'persuaded' me to back Mrs May
    Of course those who choose to chat politics on a cross-party blog are probably more likely to be closer to the centre.
    But a "cross-party blog" the way Vote Leave was a cross-party campaign.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Brom said:

    SeanT said:

    They have to truncate this leadership. Two/three weeks is enough. The economy cannot bear ten fucking weeks of instability.

    The entire country is effectively without leadership, at one of the most dangerous times in recent history. Since the war, probably.

    Why, you signed up to the Andrea Leadsom message that Brexit wouldn't impact on the UK economy.

    Sack up you mewling quim
    Yo, TSE!

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    Suck it up, bitch!
    hahaha!
    Looking at your posting name, made me reflect that, given how many characters there are in Game of Thrones, why don't more of them share a name? Everyone seems to have an unique name. Why aren't their more Eddards, or Broms?
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    Norm said:

    Norm said:

    Slightly better result for Leadsom than I expected. She reflects a strand of opinion within the party that deserves to be aired. Still expect a relativelty straightforward May win on the members ballot..

    What - fucking nutters?
    What are you so bothered about? As a supposed LD you have said yourself your party would benefit from AL as PM (which won't happen anyway).
    No one is going to benefit from a prime minister being elected by 100,000 individuals who are so extraordinarily out of touch with reality that they have somehow missed the destruction of whole communities...both urban and rural as a result of spending cuts imposed on local authorities by this government.

    If these socially isolated individuals choose to elect a hedge fund managing, tax avoiding politician who wants to put employment regulation back 100 years then this country is doomed.

    Andrea Leadsom and those who support her are not the solution - they are the problem !
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,869

    IDS now predicting that UKIP will disappear. #notverygoodatpolitics

    Well, it will if Leadsom incorporates UKIP into the Conservative Party, and makes Nigel Farage a cabinet minister.
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    How do women get away with wearing that in parliament when men have to wear suits and ties?
    Who gives a feck? What politicians wear in the house should be the least of our worries.
    Standards, dear boy, standards. As a leader of people who go into dangerous situations I am sure you know that the people who can't be trusted on the little things sure as hell can't be trusted on the big ones.
    Open button today, open submarine hatch tomorrow.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,052
    Sean_F said:

    When am I going to wake up from this nightmare? It's been going on for months.

    Don't you find it fascinating to see the ancien regime crumbling, and history being made in front of you?
    Amazing to hear a self-professed conservative say this. I agree it is fascinating but what the hell replaces the ancien regime? History doesn't suggest a happy ending.
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    Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,176
    Gutted, but in no way surprised, by Leadsom getting through. Whilst nice to see Theresa crack on to nearly 200 MPs and not engage in dirty tricks, I think it would have done a greater service to the country, and the risks to our economy, to have leant Gove 40 votes and nipped the rise of the right wing UKIP whackjob in the bud.

    The Tory Party needs to now get on with this asap. The idea of a leisurely process through to 9 September is a joke. This could all be sorted in 3 weeks, and a new PM by August.

    The economy demands it.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,960

    1997 Tory leadership, First round, William Hague trailed Ken Clarke by 8 votes

    2001 Tory leadership, First round IDS trailed Michael Portillo by 10 votes

    2005 Tory leadership, First round David Cameron trailed David Davis by 6 votes

    2016 Tory leadership, First round Andrea Leadsom trailed Theresa May by 99 votes

    Andrea Leadsom starts off from zero whereas Clarke, Portillo, Davis have been known and doing stuff for years previously.

    #comfortstatistics

    Leadsom has done well to get to the members.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    MTimT said:

    Brom said:

    SeanT said:

    They have to truncate this leadership. Two/three weeks is enough. The economy cannot bear ten fucking weeks of instability.

    The entire country is effectively without leadership, at one of the most dangerous times in recent history. Since the war, probably.

    Why, you signed up to the Andrea Leadsom message that Brexit wouldn't impact on the UK economy.

    Sack up you mewling quim
    Yo, TSE!

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    Suck it up, bitch!
    hahaha!
    Looking at your posting name, made me reflect that, given how many characters there are in Game of Thrones, why don't more of them share a name? Everyone seems to have an unique name. Why aren't their more Eddards, or Broms?
    I shall immediately change to Dany. ;)
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO

    Any others?

    I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.
    I am not a member of the Conservatives, nor any other political party.
    I wish you had paid up the £25.
    I'm saving up for one of these, so I can't waste money on things like political donations.
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @volcanopete

    'Amber Rudd is supporting Ms May and has had a good EUref.Methinks she's going up the greasy ladder.'


    Having a laugh, she was dropped by Remain after her shouty TV performance with Eagle.

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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Sean_F said:

    IDS now predicting that UKIP will disappear. #notverygoodatpolitics

    Well, it will if Leadsom incorporates UKIP into the Conservative Party, and makes Nigel Farage a cabinet minister.
    I plan on voting for her, but there is absolutely no chance of that happening. It would split the Tory party and she'd be beset by cabinet resignation threats/action before it could be completed. So I'm not worried.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Just noticed that Gove lost two votes compared to the first round.
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    Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,176
    PS: but it is great to see we will now have a 2nd woman PM. And a 2nd Tory woman PM to boot.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO

    Any others?

    I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.
    I am not a member of the Conservatives, nor any other political party.
    I wish you had paid up the £25.
    I am wishing I had, too. As an expat without a vote in Generals and referenda, it might have been a way for me to actually have a tiny say ...
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    TW1R64TW1R64 Posts: 56

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO
    Mr Nabavi

    Any others?

    Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.
    I'm more of a lurker but I have a vote. It's May for me.
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO
    Mr Nabavi

    Any others?

    I thought PlatoSaid she was a floating voter?
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,711
    Sean_F said:

    IDS now predicting that UKIP will disappear. #notverygoodatpolitics

    Well, it will if Leadsom incorporates UKIP into the Conservative Party, and makes Nigel Farage a cabinet minister.
    I hear the Lib dems need new voters.... they're getting more tempting by the day.
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    Norm said:

    Norm said:

    Slightly better result for Leadsom than I expected. She reflects a strand of opinion within the party that deserves to be aired. Still expect a relativelty straightforward May win on the members ballot..

    What - fucking nutters?
    What are you so bothered about? As a supposed LD you have said yourself your party would benefit from AL as PM (which won't happen anyway).
    No one is going to benefit from a prime minister being elected by 100,000 individuals who are so extraordinarily out of touch with reality that they have somehow missed the destruction of whole communities...both urban and rural as a result of spending cuts imposed on local authorities by this government.

    If these socially isolated individuals choose to elect a hedge fund managing, tax avoiding politician who wants to put employment regulation back 100 years then this country is doomed.

    Andrea Leadsom and those who support her are not the solution - they are the problem !
    Private Frazer's back!
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO

    Any others?

    I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.
    I am not a member of the Conservatives, nor any other political party.
    I wish you had paid up the £25.
    I'm saving up for one of these, so I can't waste money on things like political donations.
    I believe there is a strong correlation between Gulfstream Jets and political donations.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,960
    MTimT said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four

    Big_G_Northwales
    Miss Plato
    Young Darth Eagles
    JohnO

    Any others?

    I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.
    I am not a member of the Conservatives, nor any other political party.
    I wish you had paid up the £25.
    I am wishing I had, too. As an expat without a vote in Generals and referenda, it might have been a way for me to actually have a tiny say ...
    "tiny" ?

    By being a Conservative party member you have WAY more power than almost any regular voter in the UK over who the next PM is !
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Pauly said:

    Sean_F said:

    IDS now predicting that UKIP will disappear. #notverygoodatpolitics

    Well, it will if Leadsom incorporates UKIP into the Conservative Party, and makes Nigel Farage a cabinet minister.
    I plan on voting for her, but there is absolutely no chance of that happening. It would split the Tory party and she'd be beset by cabinet resignation threats/action before it could be completed. So I'm not worried.
    You are quite right there Pauly. I think UKIP will continue to exist and even grow, perhaps under a different name. It depends on whom the new leader is. 2 Parties without leaders and one wishing their leader would disappear.
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