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It reeks of the Government doing no preparation for Brexit before the vote. There are two candidates going to the membership and either could be the Tory leader. Damaging one of them based on trumped up tenuous stories is partisan masochism.Indigo said:
If May's camp carry on putting the boot in for the next 6-8 weeks all it will do is guarantee 80 or so Tory MPs that won't vote for anything May wants to do when she gets elected PM.TCPoliticalBetting said:James Kirkup
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130 MPs who voted for Leadsom/Gove is v close to number who voted Leave. If she's PM, T May will have to work v hard to unite party.0 -
Who will be the first to write the inside story novella on how Gove managed to stab himself to death when going for a colleague with his wife's double handed knife?
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Mr Grabcocque you were waiting for that.grabcocque said:Boris Johnson will be wanking himself to sleep with glee tonight.
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Isn't it a little sinister that the leader of one political party is looking to support a candidate to lead a rival political party?0
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That could just be the connection that does her real harmMonikerDiCanio said:
She'll win.TheScreamingEagles said:Says it all really
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You can't choose who supports you. It's like saying LFC are a damaged club because Pope John Paul II is a supporter and a terrible person. It's a poor argument.TheScreamingEagles said:Says it all really
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Well he is retiring.AlastairMeeks said:Isn't it a little sinister that the leader of one political party is looking to support a candidate to lead a rival political party?
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Standards, dear boy, standards. As a leader of people who go into dangerous situations I am sure you know that the people who can't be trusted on the little things sure as hell can't be trusted on the big ones.TwistedFireStopper said:
Who gives a feck? What politicians wear in the house should be the least of our worries.ManWithThePlan said:
How do women get away with wearing that in parliament when men have to wear suits and ties?TwistedFireStopper said:
That really is scathingly funny.Scott_P said:0 -
Good point. Still there are some of us who worried about the fate of Donald Trump...rottenborough said:I ask again, what the hell are MI5 doing all day?
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Four former Barclays bankers who rigged global interest rates 'like bookmakers trying to nobble a horse in the Grand National' are jailed for a total of more than 17 years
Peter Johnson, 61, and Jonathan Mathew, 35, agreed to fix US dollar Libor
Information they submitted affected Libor calculations across all banks
Rigging took place in the lead up to the 2008 financial market crash
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679057/Four-former-Barclays-bankers-rigged-global-rates-like-bookmakers-trying-nobble-horse-Grand-National-jailed-total-17-years.html#ixzz4DjtMznsQ
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When am I going to wake up from this nightmare? It's been going on for months.0
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Are you joking ? She's just been endorsed by our time's Horatio Nelson.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That could just be the connection that does her real harmMonikerDiCanio said:
She'll win.TheScreamingEagles said:Says it all really
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Theresa May will win because she has a level of experience that Andrea Leadsom does not.
All Theresa really has to do is ensure that she has a genuinely committed Brexit bunch dealing with negotiations.
There are more than enough face saving fig leaves available to the UK and EU to balance their supposedly irreconcilable positions.0 -
Does no one want to have a political party in the centre... you know, where most people are??0
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Quite possible.williamglenn said:May's going to lose this. She's going up against someone who will be seen as the second coming of Thatcher being actively supported by Boris Johnson.
I wonder how long Leadsom will last if she gets it? I mean the party will back her at first but the parliamentary party overwhelmingly don't want her. A year, maybe 2 before a coup?0 -
SadlyManWithThePlan said:
How do women get away with wearing that in parliament when men have to wear suits and ties?TwistedFireStopper said:
That really is scathingly funny.Scott_P said:
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You never know who will make the best PM. Major was loved but was useless. Maggie was seen as nobody but was perfect. Leadsom fits we right wing loons. May really has no charm. I know that means little but will she have passion when politics is more important than logic? I don't know but I'm backing the mad rightie.0
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A grossly simplistic characterisation of her views.rcs1000 said:
That's it, isn't it? A blank slate is a fabulous candidate that everyone can project their hopes onto (Mr Obama...) And Ms Leadsom is defenitely that. We know nothing of her beliefs, except that she used to think leaving the EU was a disaster, and now thinks it's awesome.mr-claypole said:Comparing the leadbangers to momentum is a bit too much though isnt it? With Corbyn he had a long history and they knew they were electing a marxist. Leadsom is just an unknown upon whom (a bit like Brexit) people can project a fantasy of choice.
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People were moaning about a possible Boris-Trump dream/nightmare scenario. Leadsome-Trump would be quite a ride!0
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Amber Rudd is supporting Ms May and has had a good EUref.Methinks she's going up the greasy ladder.0
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Goodness, Nick Clegg was so handsome.Indigo said:
SadlyManWithThePlan said:
How do women get away with wearing that in parliament when men have to wear suits and ties?TwistedFireStopper said:
That really is scathingly funny.Scott_P said:0 -
Good.PlatoSaid said:Four former Barclays bankers who rigged global interest rates 'like bookmakers trying to nobble a horse in the Grand National' are jailed for a total of more than 17 years
Peter Johnson, 61, and Jonathan Mathew, 35, agreed to fix US dollar Libor
Information they submitted affected Libor calculations across all banks
Rigging took place in the lead up to the 2008 financial market crash
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679057/Four-former-Barclays-bankers-rigged-global-rates-like-bookmakers-trying-nobble-horse-Grand-National-jailed-total-17-years.html#ixzz4DjtMznsQ0 -
He is no Nelson - he is toxicMonikerDiCanio said:
Are you joking ? She just been endorsed by our times Horatio Nelson.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That could just be the connection that does her real harmMonikerDiCanio said:
She'll win.TheScreamingEagles said:Says it all really
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Welcome back, grabcoque!grabcocque said:Boris Johnson will be wanking himself to sleep with glee tonight.
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I think May will squish Leadsom during the campaign.
May will lack the flamboyance of Johnson or the ultra-ease of Cameron but she is a high-level political operator who communicates very well and has a lot of experience.
I also disagree that she will be a vote for Remain. May is not a Europhile and neither is she stupid or stubborn.
She will understand - indeed, her nomination speech last week struck the perfect tone - that the Brexit voters won and any attempt to dissemble or ignore will tear the Tories apart.
Personally, I think she will be a very good PM for these troubled times.
And I say that as someone who voted Brexit.0 -
Not sure that's a great narrative for May's supporters: describing Leadsom as the candidate the parliamentary establishment are desperate to block but who represents the views of members.Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: Farage endorsement underlines narrative emerging amongst May supporting MPs that Leadsom is the Corbyn of the Tories https://t.co/MGJm9ZP5I6
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"It was always sensible to assume a Leave supporter would inherit Number 10 from David Cameron"
It seems, by his own admission, that, no, it wasn't.
Here, in one sentence, we have to two things that are fundamentally wrong with political predicting at the moment:
1. we have the polling industry getting just about everything horribly wrong (yes, you can point to one or two pollsters who weren't bad but what use is that if you don't know ahead of the event which pollster will be the least worst). Pollsters are getting it wrong because they rely on asking the right questions and then manipulating the numbers to fit with their model of what the future electorate will be. But the electorate is changing in a sea shift and pollsters continue to focus on the wrong questions (forced VI when much of the electorate doesn't like any of the items on the menu);
2. we have the political punditry getting it horribly wrong because they have not understood the paradigm shift, and their models, too, are wrong. For the most part, they are so vested in the old model they cannot imagine the new truths.
I am not claiming any helpful insights here. Just making an observation, expecting to be regularly surprised by voting outcomes in the West in the coming couple of years, and vowing to ignore the predictions of pundits and pollsters alike, while still listening to them and trying to understand the deeper factors driving the new body politic.0 -
hahaha!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yo, TSE!TheScreamingEagles said:
Why, you signed up to the Andrea Leadsom message that Brexit wouldn't impact on the UK economy.SeanT said:They have to truncate this leadership. Two/three weeks is enough. The economy cannot bear ten fucking weeks of instability.
The entire country is effectively without leadership, at one of the most dangerous times in recent history. Since the war, probably.
Sack up you mewling quim
LEAVE 52%
REMAIN 48%
Suck it up, bitch!0 -
UKIP members.Polruan said:
Not sure that's a great narrative for May's supporters: describing Leadsom as the candidate the parliamentary establishment are desperate to block but who represents the views of members.Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: Farage endorsement underlines narrative emerging amongst May supporting MPs that Leadsom is the Corbyn of the Tories https://t.co/MGJm9ZP5I6
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The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?0 -
It's very amusing that Andrea Leadsom's main claim as the non-Establishment candidate is that she's a talented and experienced investment banker.0
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Maybe she was channelling her inner Elizabeth I at Tilbury.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
I joined in February as a previous UKIPer because I foresaw the exact events that have since unfolded. I only wish I bet more money on those beliefsHurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Any others?
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I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Any others?0 -
Plus Richard Nabavi, Tissue Price, David Herdson, TC PolBet, Marquee Mark, Casino,HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Any others?0 -
Are you saying we should be cautious of former Barclays investment bankers?PlatoSaid said:Four former Barclays bankers who rigged global interest rates 'like bookmakers trying to nobble a horse in the Grand National' are jailed for a total of more than 17 years
Peter Johnson, 61, and Jonathan Mathew, 35, agreed to fix US dollar Libor
Information they submitted affected Libor calculations across all banks
Rigging took place in the lead up to the 2008 financial market crash
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679057/Four-former-Barclays-bankers-rigged-global-rates-like-bookmakers-trying-nobble-horse-Grand-National-jailed-total-17-years.html#ixzz4DjtMznsQ0 -
Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?0 -
For me it kinda depends the kind of team each can present.
If Leadsom can look like she will re-assemble the team that won 17 million votes against the odds, she may well win.0 -
Don't you find it fascinating to see the ancien regime crumbling, and history being made in front of you?rottenborough said:When am I going to wake up from this nightmare? It's been going on for months.
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I hope you're right. I think you will be, in this case people will choose experience.Fenster said:I think May will squish Leadsom during the campaign.
May will lack the flamboyance of Johnson or the ultra-ease of Cameron but she is a high-level political operator who communicates very well and has a lot of experience.
I also disagree that she will be a vote for Remain. May is not a Europhile and neither is she stupid or stubborn.
She will understand - indeed, her nomination speech last week struck the perfect tone - that the Brexit voters won and any attempt to dissemble or ignore will tear the Tories apart.
Personally, I think she will be a very good PM for these troubled times.
And I say that as someone who voted Brexit.0 -
I'll bite. Explain to me the direct and indirect consequences. Precisely.PlatoSaid said:Four former Barclays bankers who rigged global interest rates 'like bookmakers trying to nobble a horse in the Grand National' are jailed for a total of more than 17 years
Peter Johnson, 61, and Jonathan Mathew, 35, agreed to fix US dollar Libor
Information they submitted affected Libor calculations across all banks
Rigging took place in the lead up to the 2008 financial market crash
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679057/Four-former-Barclays-bankers-rigged-global-rates-like-bookmakers-trying-nobble-horse-Grand-National-jailed-total-17-years.html#ixzz4DjtMznsQ0 -
It's ok. None of them had heard of Leadsom until now.rcs1000 said:
Are you saying we should be cautious of former Barclays investment bankers?PlatoSaid said:Four former Barclays bankers who rigged global interest rates 'like bookmakers trying to nobble a horse in the Grand National' are jailed for a total of more than 17 years
Peter Johnson, 61, and Jonathan Mathew, 35, agreed to fix US dollar Libor
Information they submitted affected Libor calculations across all banks
Rigging took place in the lead up to the 2008 financial market crash
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3679057/Four-former-Barclays-bankers-rigged-global-rates-like-bookmakers-trying-nobble-horse-Grand-National-jailed-total-17-years.html#ixzz4DjtMznsQ0 -
Do we have a breakdown of their intentions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?0 -
Well if this tweet doesn't sum up Leadsom's unfitness to be Tory leader I don't know what will..
https://twitter.com/WinstonMcK/status/7510855330450718720 -
Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes 57 secs57 seconds ago
I'll rephrase it more precisely: Hague, IDS and Cameron were all second in the first round of the MP's ballot before winning. @Dannythefink
oh crap...
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Perhaps if Andrea Leadsom wins, she'll merge the two parties.MaxPB said:
UKIP members.Polruan said:
Not sure that's a great narrative for May's supporters: describing Leadsom as the candidate the parliamentary establishment are desperate to block but who represents the views of members.Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: Farage endorsement underlines narrative emerging amongst May supporting MPs that Leadsom is the Corbyn of the Tories https://t.co/MGJm9ZP5I6
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I don't have a vote but my mum and Dad doTheScreamingEagles said:
Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?
Can tell you categorically, without hesitation it is two May votes.0 -
I do!TheScreamingEagles said:
Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?0 -
I don't think you could slide a fag paper between the views of many Conservative members and this of many UKIP members; you could get a whole fag packet between those of the parliamentary party and the members.MaxPB said:
UKIP members.Polruan said:
Not sure that's a great narrative for May's supporters: describing Leadsom as the candidate the parliamentary establishment are desperate to block but who represents the views of members.Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: Farage endorsement underlines narrative emerging amongst May supporting MPs that Leadsom is the Corbyn of the Tories https://t.co/MGJm9ZP5I6
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There is a reason Gove isn't declaring his support one suspects. He wants to be Minister For BrExit. He will want to cut a deal for his support and maybe keep his powder dry until he sees who looks like winning in the country.grabcocque said:Who will be the first to write the inside story novella on how Gove managed to stab himself to death when going for a colleague with his wife's double handed knife?
I think May might be sensible and run a positive campaign. The problem is the metro leftie media is going to sledge Leadsom for the next six weeks and drive her into the arms of the Conservative Party members. May will win on her own terms, only to loose because the BBC cant shut the fuck up.0 -
She is at present largely a proxy for remainers who want to pretend the vote hasn't happened and second referendum idiots. Why did she meet with Branson btw?Fenster said:I think May will squish Leadsom during the campaign.
May will lack the flamboyance of Johnson or the ultra-ease of Cameron but she is a high-level political operator who communicates very well and has a lot of experience.
I also disagree that she will be a vote for Remain. May is not a Europhile and neither is she stupid or stubborn.
She will understand - indeed, her nomination speech last week struck the perfect tone - that the Brexit voters won and any attempt to dissemble or ignore will tear the Tories apart.
Personally, I think she will be a very good PM for these troubled times.
And I say that as someone who voted Brexit.
At the very least she will now be pushed into positions which expose what she really wants on EEA/EFTA and that will be very revealing to members who want straightforward out.0 -
Last time we did a sweep all of us were voting for Mrs May, one undecided, and one Leadsomite.RobD said:
Do we have a breakdown of their intentions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?
I wanted to vote for Gove, as reward for shafting Boris, but JohnO 'persuaded' me to back Mrs May0 -
Which will be my cue to leave.Sean_F said:
Perhaps if Andrea Leadsom wins, she'll merge the two parties.MaxPB said:
UKIP members.Polruan said:
Not sure that's a great narrative for May's supporters: describing Leadsom as the candidate the parliamentary establishment are desperate to block but who represents the views of members.Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: Farage endorsement underlines narrative emerging amongst May supporting MPs that Leadsom is the Corbyn of the Tories https://t.co/MGJm9ZP5I6
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tory REMAIN had executive power; LEAVE did not.Richard_Nabavi said:I don't think that the economic news over the next few weeks is going to be entirely to Andrea Leadsom's advantage. See the final afternoon summary here:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/jul/07/pound-dollar-brexit-politicians-city-stock-markets-retail-live
With power comes responsibility.
Such is the legacy of David "why should I do the difficult shit" Cameron (REMAINER).0 -
OK. List Leadsom's policy positions on things other than the EU?Luckyguy1983 said:
A grossly simplistic characterisation of her views.rcs1000 said:
That's it, isn't it? A blank slate is a fabulous candidate that everyone can project their hopes onto (Mr Obama...) And Ms Leadsom is defenitely that. We know nothing of her beliefs, except that she used to think leaving the EU was a disaster, and now thinks it's awesome.mr-claypole said:Comparing the leadbangers to momentum is a bit too much though isnt it? With Corbyn he had a long history and they knew they were electing a marxist. Leadsom is just an unknown upon whom (a bit like Brexit) people can project a fantasy of choice.
...she's against gay marriage
...she's in favour of more renewables subsidies
And on the EU, she was in favour of it - saying Brexit would be a disaster - before she was against it.
And that's before the fact that she lied on her CV and in Who's Who, and only updated it when it was obvious she was caught. She claimed to be the Chief Investment Officer in Invesco Perpetual, ffs.0 -
It is truly amazing. Scary, but amazing.Sean_F said:
Don't you find it fascinating to see the ancien regime crumbling, and history being made in front of you?rottenborough said:When am I going to wake up from this nightmare? It's been going on for months.
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Sensible chap!TheScreamingEagles said:
Last time we did a sweep all of us were voting for Mrs May, one undecided, and one Leadsomite.RobD said:
Do we have a breakdown of their intentions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?
I wanted to vote for Gove, as reward for shafting Boris, but JohnO 'persuaded' me to back Mrs May0 -
Her record on "controlling" immigration is very poor ! For the EU bit. The non-EU bit was well within her remit. She failed [ according to Little Englanders ]PrinceofTaranto said:Expect a big push now to get expose Shariah May for her rotten track record and to put her on the spot over her real position on Brexit .At last the chance for a socially conservative government beckons.
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Mrs May had a 115 MP lead over the loathsome Leadsom, whereas Hague, IDS, and Cameron only trailed by tepid amountsSlackbladder said:Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes 57 secs57 seconds ago
I'll rephrase it more precisely: Hague, IDS and Cameron were all second in the first round of the MP's ballot before winning. @Dannythefink
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paging SeanT
@IanDunt: Leadsom is probably going to win. We're all going to die.
@ChairmanMoet: @IanDunt Only the lucky ones will die0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?
That was a genius thing to say by her. She downplayed her chances of getting the top job meaning she wasn't the front runner which is a bad thing if you want to be leader of the Conservative party.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
I am not a member of the Conservatives, nor any other political party.MaxPB said:
I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Any others?0 -
Not really, I'm a member and go to various events. 40% of members voted to remain, and of the 60% who were in the leave camp I'd say around half voted on the basis of immigration to a great extent and the rest voted on the basis of just getting out of the EU.Polruan said:
I don't think you could slide a fag paper between the views of many Conservative members and this of many UKIP members; you could get a whole fag packet between those of the parliamentary party and the members.MaxPB said:
UKIP members.Polruan said:
Not sure that's a great narrative for May's supporters: describing Leadsom as the candidate the parliamentary establishment are desperate to block but who represents the views of members.Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: Farage endorsement underlines narrative emerging amongst May supporting MPs that Leadsom is the Corbyn of the Tories https://t.co/MGJm9ZP5I6
At a push I'd guess that Leadsom has a ceiling of around 40% in terms of her support in the membership, but that could go up if May's campaign goes badly or there is any evidence that she won't serve A50.0 -
who had an epiphany and found her true calling - to free hard working men of Britain from the bureaucratic chains of the Europen Union and launch us into the age of prosperity. Or majorly fuck shit up.Richard_Nabavi said:It's very amusing that Andrea Leadsom's main claim as the non-Establishment candidate is that she's a talented and experienced investment banker.
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Of course those who choose to chat politics on a cross-party blog are probably more likely to be closer to the centre.TheScreamingEagles said:
Last time we did a sweep all of us were voting for Mrs May, one undecided, and one Leadsomite.RobD said:
Do we have a breakdown of their intentions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?
I wanted to vote for Gove, as reward for shafting Boris, but JohnO 'persuaded' me to back Mrs May0 -
I've not really been concentrating; has any interviewer yet taken the opportunity to ask May to spell out how her implementation of the Brexit vote will resolve the unreasonable rights accorded to cat-owning illegal immigrants?surbiton said:
Her record on "controlling" immigration is very poor ! For the EU bit. The non-EU bit was well within her remit. She failed [ according to Little Englanders ]PrinceofTaranto said:Expect a big push now to get expose Shariah May for her rotten track record and to put her on the spot over her real position on Brexit .At last the chance for a socially conservative government beckons.
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+ a potentially interesting tax return to come.rcs1000 said:
OK. List Leadsom's policy positions on things other than the EU?Luckyguy1983 said:
A grossly simplistic characterisation of her views.rcs1000 said:
That's it, isn't it? A blank slate is a fabulous candidate that everyone can project their hopes onto (Mr Obama...) And Ms Leadsom is defenitely that. We know nothing of her beliefs, except that she used to think leaving the EU was a disaster, and now thinks it's awesome.mr-claypole said:Comparing the leadbangers to momentum is a bit too much though isnt it? With Corbyn he had a long history and they knew they were electing a marxist. Leadsom is just an unknown upon whom (a bit like Brexit) people can project a fantasy of choice.
...she's against gay marriage
...she's in favour of more renewables subsidies
And on the EU, she was in favour of it - saying Brexit would be a disaster - before she was against it.
And that's before the fact that she lied on her CV and in Who's Who, and only updated it when it was obvious she was caught. She claimed to be the Chief Investment Officer in Invesco Perpetual, ffs.0 -
Interesting piece here on how Brexit might make it easier for Turkey to come to terms with a relationship with the EU which is not membership:
http://www.newsweek.com/brexit-view-turkey-britain-membership-free-trade-478332?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTnpWaU5HUXdNbVkzTXpCaCIsInQiOiJGb0FXc1NaZ3FpdEp6MHc4cVNoRjNYMmY5QXJudERCQjFmUUN4NERKcURqZVdjb3RWQ21BQ3VEcno5VUxQSXFiU25paVN2NzRpb1pESUU2YU0xVVpLem1qRXpvNnlPWUN0dUY1NWVJQWNxND0ifQ==0 -
I wish you had paid up the £25.rcs1000 said:
I am not a member of the Conservatives, nor any other political party.MaxPB said:
I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Any others?0 -
Failed miserably and it will come back to haunt her over a two month campaign.surbiton said:
Her record on "controlling" immigration is very poor ! For the EU bit. The non-EU bit was well within her remit. She failed [ according to Little Englanders ]PrinceofTaranto said:Expect a big push now to get expose Shariah May for her rotten track record and to put her on the spot over her real position on Brexit .At last the chance for a socially conservative government beckons.
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IDS now predicting that UKIP will disappear. #notverygoodatpolitics0
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1997 Tory leadership, First round, William Hague trailed Ken Clarke by 8 votes
2001 Tory leadership, First round IDS trailed Michael Portillo by 10 votes
2005 Tory leadership, First round David Cameron trailed David Davis by 6 votes
2016 Tory leadership, First round Andrea Leadsom trailed Theresa May by 99 votes0 -
Yes, he wants to do it by turning the Tories into UKIP.Tissue_Price said:IDS now predicting that UKIP will disappear. #notverygoodatpolitics
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But a "cross-party blog" the way Vote Leave was a cross-party campaign.Tissue_Price said:
Of course those who choose to chat politics on a cross-party blog are probably more likely to be closer to the centre.TheScreamingEagles said:
Last time we did a sweep all of us were voting for Mrs May, one undecided, and one Leadsomite.RobD said:
Do we have a breakdown of their intentions?TheScreamingEagles said:
Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?
I wanted to vote for Gove, as reward for shafting Boris, but JohnO 'persuaded' me to back Mrs May0 -
Looking at your posting name, made me reflect that, given how many characters there are in Game of Thrones, why don't more of them share a name? Everyone seems to have an unique name. Why aren't their more Eddards, or Broms?Brom said:
hahaha!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yo, TSE!TheScreamingEagles said:
Why, you signed up to the Andrea Leadsom message that Brexit wouldn't impact on the UK economy.SeanT said:They have to truncate this leadership. Two/three weeks is enough. The economy cannot bear ten fucking weeks of instability.
The entire country is effectively without leadership, at one of the most dangerous times in recent history. Since the war, probably.
Sack up you mewling quim
LEAVE 52%
REMAIN 48%
Suck it up, bitch!0 -
No one is going to benefit from a prime minister being elected by 100,000 individuals who are so extraordinarily out of touch with reality that they have somehow missed the destruction of whole communities...both urban and rural as a result of spending cuts imposed on local authorities by this government.Norm said:
What are you so bothered about? As a supposed LD you have said yourself your party would benefit from AL as PM (which won't happen anyway).TheKrakenAwakes said:
What - fucking nutters?Norm said:Slightly better result for Leadsom than I expected. She reflects a strand of opinion within the party that deserves to be aired. Still expect a relativelty straightforward May win on the members ballot..
If these socially isolated individuals choose to elect a hedge fund managing, tax avoiding politician who wants to put employment regulation back 100 years then this country is doomed.
Andrea Leadsom and those who support her are not the solution - they are the problem !0 -
Well, it will if Leadsom incorporates UKIP into the Conservative Party, and makes Nigel Farage a cabinet minister.Tissue_Price said:IDS now predicting that UKIP will disappear. #notverygoodatpolitics
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Open button today, open submarine hatch tomorrow.HurstLlama said:
Standards, dear boy, standards. As a leader of people who go into dangerous situations I am sure you know that the people who can't be trusted on the little things sure as hell can't be trusted on the big ones.TwistedFireStopper said:
Who gives a feck? What politicians wear in the house should be the least of our worries.ManWithThePlan said:
How do women get away with wearing that in parliament when men have to wear suits and ties?TwistedFireStopper said:
That really is scathingly funny.Scott_P said:0 -
Amazing to hear a self-professed conservative say this. I agree it is fascinating but what the hell replaces the ancien regime? History doesn't suggest a happy ending.Sean_F said:
Don't you find it fascinating to see the ancien regime crumbling, and history being made in front of you?rottenborough said:When am I going to wake up from this nightmare? It's been going on for months.
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Gutted, but in no way surprised, by Leadsom getting through. Whilst nice to see Theresa crack on to nearly 200 MPs and not engage in dirty tricks, I think it would have done a greater service to the country, and the risks to our economy, to have leant Gove 40 votes and nipped the rise of the right wing UKIP whackjob in the bud.
The Tory Party needs to now get on with this asap. The idea of a leisurely process through to 9 September is a joke. This could all be sorted in 3 weeks, and a new PM by August.
The economy demands it.0 -
Andrea Leadsom starts off from zero whereas Clarke, Portillo, Davis have been known and doing stuff for years previously.TheScreamingEagles said:1997 Tory leadership, First round, William Hague trailed Ken Clarke by 8 votes
2001 Tory leadership, First round IDS trailed Michael Portillo by 10 votes
2005 Tory leadership, First round David Cameron trailed David Davis by 6 votes
2016 Tory leadership, First round Andrea Leadsom trailed Theresa May by 99 votes
#comfortstatistics
Leadsom has done well to get to the members.0 -
I shall immediately change to Dany.MTimT said:
Looking at your posting name, made me reflect that, given how many characters there are in Game of Thrones, why don't more of them share a name? Everyone seems to have an unique name. Why aren't their more Eddards, or Broms?Brom said:
hahaha!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yo, TSE!TheScreamingEagles said:
Why, you signed up to the Andrea Leadsom message that Brexit wouldn't impact on the UK economy.SeanT said:They have to truncate this leadership. Two/three weeks is enough. The economy cannot bear ten fucking weeks of instability.
The entire country is effectively without leadership, at one of the most dangerous times in recent history. Since the war, probably.
Sack up you mewling quim
LEAVE 52%
REMAIN 48%
Suck it up, bitch!
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I'm saving up for one of these, so I can't waste money on things like political donations.MaxPB said:
I wish you had paid up the £25.rcs1000 said:
I am not a member of the Conservatives, nor any other political party.MaxPB said:
I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Any others?0 -
@volcanopete
'Amber Rudd is supporting Ms May and has had a good EUref.Methinks she's going up the greasy ladder.'
Having a laugh, she was dropped by Remain after her shouty TV performance with Eagle.
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I plan on voting for her, but there is absolutely no chance of that happening. It would split the Tory party and she'd be beset by cabinet resignation threats/action before it could be completed. So I'm not worried.Sean_F said:
Well, it will if Leadsom incorporates UKIP into the Conservative Party, and makes Nigel Farage a cabinet minister.Tissue_Price said:IDS now predicting that UKIP will disappear. #notverygoodatpolitics
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Just noticed that Gove lost two votes compared to the first round.0
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PS: but it is great to see we will now have a 2nd woman PM. And a 2nd Tory woman PM to boot.
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I am wishing I had, too. As an expat without a vote in Generals and referenda, it might have been a way for me to actually have a tiny say ...MaxPB said:
I wish you had paid up the £25.rcs1000 said:
I am not a member of the Conservatives, nor any other political party.MaxPB said:
I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Any others?0 -
I'm more of a lurker but I have a vote. It's May for me.TheScreamingEagles said:
Tissue Price, David Herdson, Casino Royale, Bunnco, ToryJim.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?0 -
I thought PlatoSaid she was a floating voter?HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of five
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Mr Nabavi
Any others?0 -
I hear the Lib dems need new voters.... they're getting more tempting by the day.Sean_F said:
Well, it will if Leadsom incorporates UKIP into the Conservative Party, and makes Nigel Farage a cabinet minister.Tissue_Price said:IDS now predicting that UKIP will disappear. #notverygoodatpolitics
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Private Frazer's back!TheKrakenAwakes said:
No one is going to benefit from a prime minister being elected by 100,000 individuals who are so extraordinarily out of touch with reality that they have somehow missed the destruction of whole communities...both urban and rural as a result of spending cuts imposed on local authorities by this government.Norm said:
What are you so bothered about? As a supposed LD you have said yourself your party would benefit from AL as PM (which won't happen anyway).TheKrakenAwakes said:
What - fucking nutters?Norm said:Slightly better result for Leadsom than I expected. She reflects a strand of opinion within the party that deserves to be aired. Still expect a relativelty straightforward May win on the members ballot..
If these socially isolated individuals choose to elect a hedge fund managing, tax avoiding politician who wants to put employment regulation back 100 years then this country is doomed.
Andrea Leadsom and those who support her are not the solution - they are the problem !0 -
I believe there is a strong correlation between Gulfstream Jets and political donations.rcs1000 said:
I'm saving up for one of these, so I can't waste money on things like political donations.MaxPB said:
I wish you had paid up the £25.rcs1000 said:
I am not a member of the Conservatives, nor any other political party.MaxPB said:
I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Any others?0 -
"tiny" ?MTimT said:
I am wishing I had, too. As an expat without a vote in Generals and referenda, it might have been a way for me to actually have a tiny say ...MaxPB said:
I wish you had paid up the £25.rcs1000 said:
I am not a member of the Conservatives, nor any other political party.MaxPB said:
I am. I think @Charles and @rcs1000 have votes too.HurstLlama said:The next PM is to be decided by the votes of about 150,000 people. How many of the posters on here actually have a vote? I can think of four
Big_G_Northwales
Miss Plato
Young Darth Eagles
JohnO
Any others?
By being a Conservative party member you have WAY more power than almost any regular voter in the UK over who the next PM is !0 -
You are quite right there Pauly. I think UKIP will continue to exist and even grow, perhaps under a different name. It depends on whom the new leader is. 2 Parties without leaders and one wishing their leader would disappear.Pauly said:
I plan on voting for her, but there is absolutely no chance of that happening. It would split the Tory party and she'd be beset by cabinet resignation threats/action before it could be completed. So I'm not worried.Sean_F said:
Well, it will if Leadsom incorporates UKIP into the Conservative Party, and makes Nigel Farage a cabinet minister.Tissue_Price said:IDS now predicting that UKIP will disappear. #notverygoodatpolitics
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