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Barely a day has gone by in the past few months when I have not been asked why the referendum betting odds were/are so out of line with the polling. Surely , it has been said, that if the polls have it level pegging or even LEAVE leads then why has REMAIN stayed as such a strong odds-on favourite.
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First?0
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And also second.0
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but not douglas hurd...
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£15m on Betfair in the last 24 hours! Now 84/16% chance.0 -
People can happily vote their desire - Leave - expecting others will ensure the Remain victory means they don't have to confront their fear - Leave.
That spells "oooops...." to me!
EDIT: and Henry V..... (cue THAT speech....)0 -
I don't find these polls of what people think is going to happen that much help. Tell me what you're going to do, not what you think everyone else is going to do - that way we can make an informed decision on what everyone else is going to do.0
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And yet TSE thinks Remain have blown it.....Sandpit said:4th?
£15m on Betfair in the last 24 hours! Now 84/16% chance.0 -
He's trying to downplay remain so his 12 point lead comes true.MarqueeMark said:
And yet TSE thinks Remain have blown it.....Sandpit said:4th?
£15m on Betfair in the last 24 hours! Now 84/16% chance.0 -
These polls are not much good at predicting what will happen as you say. But they do explain the betting.Cookie said:I don't find these polls of what people think is going to happen that much help. Tell me what you're going to do, not what you think everyone else is going to do - that way we can make an informed decision on what everyone else is going to do.
It could be circular. People think Remain will win because that is what the betting indicates, - and the betting indicates that Remain will win because that is what most people think. Hmm.0 -
Wisdom of crowds were totally wrong for GE...but then the media narrative was nailed on hung parliament.0
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Friend doing the telling at a polling station in middle of Deal (Dover count)
Says turnout up on GE at this stage of the day and definitely seeing people who don't vote often.
Not much sign that the youth vote is up.
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NEW THREAD NEW THREAD
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Wrong thread!TheScreamingEagles said:NEW THREAD NEW THREAD
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3656143/Total-shambles-Fury-people-turned-away-voting-EU-referendum-errors-Leighton-Buzzard-polling-station.html
And so it begins....they were never gonna let EU go! Shameful! Mi5 more like mihatebritain
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Maybe you need to reread OGHs top piece.Cookie said:I don't find these polls of what people think is going to happen that much help. Tell me what you're going to do, not what you think everyone else is going to do - that way we can make an informed decision on what everyone else is going to do.
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is there a youth vote in Deal?RepublicanTory said:Friend doing the telling at a polling station in middle of Deal (Dover count)
Says turnout up on GE at this stage of the day and definitely seeing people who don't vote often.
Not much sign that the youth vote is up.0 -
There is no wisdom of crowds anyway. The same people that talk about such things also go on to talk about bubbles. Crowds go less mad than individuals, but they're no better at judging things - and this must be true by definition almost.FrancisUrquhart said:Wisdom of crowds were totally wrong for GE...but then the media narrative was nailed on hung parliament.
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Andrew Allison
Does this street in Beverley hold the record for the most @vote_leave signs in any street in the country? https://t.co/A1O4s1Mw3D0 -
Well yes, we noticed.TheScreamingEagles said:NEW THREAD NEW THREAD
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Sunil has just texted me he's just voted in Ilford0
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Damn and blast, just after I posted two important things on the last thread. Anyway: FPT:
My mum just revealed her friend, who works at the polling station and has done so for many elections, reckons in the first hour they get as many voters as for a whole 'other' election. I asked but she didn't specify if that meant a council/European/General Election.
Even so, it suggests high turnout. I would guess this area will be fairly heavily Leave.
Also: Loving EU Is A Dirty Job.
Edited extra bit: I Hate Myself For Loving EU0 -
Yes-there are some pretty chunky estates where the uni students are home and it is still a relatively cheap area to rent-although that is starting to changerottenborough said:
is there a youth vote in Deal?RepublicanTory said:Friend doing the telling at a polling station in middle of Deal (Dover count)
Says turnout up on GE at this stage of the day and definitely seeing people who don't vote often.
Not much sign that the youth vote is up.
It isn't a big youth area such as Canterbury but it inst Geriatric ville !!0 -
Yup - the 60-75srottenborough said:
is there a youth vote in Deal?RepublicanTory said:Friend doing the telling at a polling station in middle of Deal (Dover count)
Says turnout up on GE at this stage of the day and definitely seeing people who don't vote often.
Not much sign that the youth vote is up.
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It was song titles we were after MD rather than quotes from your personal correspondence.. :P (ps sorry)Morris_Dancer said:Damn and blast, just after I posted two important things on the last thread. Anyway: FPT:
My mum just revealed her friend, who works at the polling station and has done so for many elections, reckons in the first hour they get as many voters as for a whole 'other' election. I asked but she didn't specify if that meant a council/European/General Election.
Even so, it suggests high turnout. I would guess this area will be fairly heavily Leave.
Also: Loving EU Is A Dirty Job.
Edited extra bit: I Hate Myself For Loving EU0 -
Moved recently so this is my first vote in my new constituency but in all my votes since the 2001 General Election I've not seen such a steady stream of people coming and going to the ballot box. What it means I can't tell other than anecdotally I think turnout may be high. Have to say the weather is absolutely glorious in this part of the world.0
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Here in Central London, it's 100% Remain, not a Leave poster / badge / volunteer in sight.0
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But your parents voted Leavemurali_s said:Here in Central London, it's 100% Remain, not a Leave poster / badge / volunteer insight.
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WSJ
Senior official from populist AfD Party calls for a German referendum on EU membership—Live coverage of Brexit vote https://t.co/EzHzbHs0zn
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Arf!felix said:
Yup - the 60-75srottenborough said:
is there a youth vote in Deal?RepublicanTory said:Friend doing the telling at a polling station in middle of Deal (Dover count)
Says turnout up on GE at this stage of the day and definitely seeing people who don't vote often.
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They did but they don't live in Central London and I'm at work. Can't afford to live here!Alanbrooke said:
But your parents voted Leavemurali_s said:Here in Central London, it's 100% Remain, not a Leave poster / badge / volunteer insight.
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Harsh !!!felix said:
Yup - the 60-75srottenborough said:
is there a youth vote in Deal?RepublicanTory said:Friend doing the telling at a polling station in middle of Deal (Dover count)
Says turnout up on GE at this stage of the day and definitely seeing people who don't vote often.
Not much sign that the youth vote is up.
There are some cracking pubs in Deal-many of the Town Center pubs are open until 2pm on a Saturday night-lots of live bands and great beers.
It is also becoming increasingly popular and trendy with the LGBT community.
It has a nice vibe to it -especially in the summer.0 -
EU don't always get what EU want0
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Hmm I still think that Leave will win, however if the polls had been more accurate and predicted a leave win then remain may have edged it IMO (as more apathetic remains would have turned out). Should be a very interesting few months after the referendum as we analyse how and why the polls and betting markets were so far off.
Turnout is looking high whenever I've had a chance to see.0 -
There is a wisdom of crowds, but only under specific circumstances. Darwin's cousin Francis Galton discovered it when he found that the average of all the guesses of a crowd of people about a cow's weight was exactly the right answer.Omnium said:
There is no wisdom of crowds anyway. The same people that talk about such things also go on to talk about bubbles. Crowds go less mad than individuals, but they're no better at judging things - and this must be true by definition almost.FrancisUrquhart said:Wisdom of crowds were totally wrong for GE...but then the media narrative was nailed on hung parliament.
He was miffed, as he had set out to show that the average person was thick.0 -
As any Englishman should.Morris_Dancer said:
Edited extra bit: I Hate Myself For Loving EU
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sound like sensible folk on both accounts :-)murali_s said:
They did but they don't live in Central London!Alanbrooke said:
But your parents voted Leavemurali_s said:Here in Central London, it's 100% Remain, not a Leave poster / badge / volunteer insight.
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Hehe, great typoRepublicanTory said:
Harsh !!!felix said:
Yup - the 60-75srottenborough said:
is there a youth vote in Deal?RepublicanTory said:Friend doing the telling at a polling station in middle of Deal (Dover count)
Says turnout up on GE at this stage of the day and definitely seeing people who don't vote often.
Not much sign that the youth vote is up.
There are some cracking pubs in Deal-many of the Town Center pubs are open until 2pm on a Saturday night-lots of live bands and great beers.
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How can remain be 84% - 16% - and what happens to bets if leave wins - (I don't bet or really understand it)0
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Everyday I Love EU Less And Less.
Mr. Omnium, how very dare you!0 -
Paddy Power the top loser on the FTSE today (down 4.5% according to BBC). Are they in for a soaking tonight?0
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Just hearing slight suggestions of low turnout in Remain-friendly Edinburgh thus far. Make of it what you will.0
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Well done Sunil, provisional winner of the best trip to the polling station award 2016. Has anyone else gone way out of their way to manage to vote today?TheScreamingEagles said:Sunil has just texted me he's just voted in Ilford
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What was the prediction for the result based on turnout? I seem to remember low turnout was good for Leave, medium was good for Remain and high was good for Leave.
I come back again to what Isabel Hardman said last night on Newsnight. Labour was originally worried about apathy amongst their own voters. Now they're hoping some of those voters decide to stay in bed.0 -
Because a narrow lead in the polls translates into a reasonably high probability of having more votes than the other sideBig_G_NorthWales said:How can remain be 84% - 16% - and what happens to bets if leave wins - (I don't bet or really understand it)
The bets on remain are all lost and the people who have backed leave buy us all lots of drinks0 -
Well its bed time for all the oldiesRobD said:
Hehe, great typoRepublicanTory said:
Harsh !!!felix said:
Yup - the 60-75srottenborough said:
is there a youth vote in Deal?RepublicanTory said:Friend doing the telling at a polling station in middle of Deal (Dover count)
Says turnout up on GE at this stage of the day and definitely seeing people who don't vote often.
Not much sign that the youth vote is up.
There are some cracking pubs in Deal-many of the Town Center pubs are open until 2pm on a Saturday night-lots of live bands and great beers. 0 -
Excellent news re: Sunil. One only hopes the heralds were there to greet him
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I suppose he want for REMAIN?TheScreamingEagles said:Sunil has just texted me he's just voted in Ilford
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Seems transport in London is seriously disrupted by floods. Could it affect voting in Remain City enough to make the difference?0
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Thanks for that - so if leave win do the bookies loseIanB2 said:
Because a narrow lead in the polls translates into a reasonably high probability of having more votes than the other sideBig_G_NorthWales said:How can remain be 84% - 16% - and what happens to bets if leave wins - (I don't bet or really understand it)
The bets on remain are all lost and the people who have backed leave buy us all lots of drinks0 -
I voted at 7.30am but would concur. Nothing like queues. More oldies than anything (good for you, hope it's Leave). Perhaps it got busier later.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Just hearing slight suggestions of low turnout in Remain-friendly Edinburgh thus far. Make of it what you will.
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My brother flew back from Germany last night to vote.Sandpit said:
Well done Sunil, provisional winner of the best trip to the polling station award 2016. Has anyone else gone way out of their way to manage to vote today?TheScreamingEagles said:Sunil has just texted me he's just voted in Ilford
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Paddy Power own Betfair, I would expect them to lay any excess liabilities off on the Exchange.TudorRose said:Paddy Power the top loser on the FTSE today (down 4.5% according to BBC). Are they in for a soaking tonight?
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Northwest Kent (and presumbly south London at least) is suffering a complete deluge.
It's as dark as night.0 -
If they have done their sums right, the larger lost bets on Remain should cover the cost of paying out the winnings to the Leave people (on betfair, since bets are matched, the transfers take place directly between the two sets of punters). Typically however bookmakers tend to do better when the expected happens (favourite wins) and can be caught out if something at longer odds comes in a winner. Whether they would actually be out of pocket with a Leave win, I have no idea. With just two outcomes, I suspect not - it's not exactly the same as a 100/1 horse winning the Grand National, after all...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thanks for that - so if leave win do the bookies loseIanB2 said:
Because a narrow lead in the polls translates into a reasonably high probability of having more votes than the other sideBig_G_NorthWales said:How can remain be 84% - 16% - and what happens to bets if leave wins - (I don't bet or really understand it)
The bets on remain are all lost and the people who have backed leave buy us all lots of drinks
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Alanbrooke said:
My brother flew back from Germany last night to vote.Sandpit said:
Well done Sunil, provisional winner of the best trip to the polling station award 2016. Has anyone else gone way out of their way to manage to vote today?TheScreamingEagles said:Sunil has just texted me he's just voted in Ilford
That's nothing. I had to go an extra 200 yards because they'd moved the polling station.
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Mr. Booth, she said that on the Sky papers as well. Ought to be on TV a bit more, a good deal more sensible than many journalists.0
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I don't know what they are, but my hunch is that 56-70 is good for Remain. Above that ~75 would be very good for leave (as lots of WWC will have turned out)FrankBooth said:What was the prediction for the result based on turnout? I seem to remember low turnout was good for Leave, medium was good for Remain and high was good for Leave.
I come back again to what Isabel Hardman said last night on Newsnight. Labour was originally worried about apathy amongst their own voters. Now they're hoping some of those voters decide to stay in bed.0 -
Not very busy when I voted but, interestingly, numbers of late twenties/thirty somethings. The demographic that voted Yes in Indyref and presumably will vote Remain this timeLuckyguy1983 said:
I voted at 7.30am but would concur. Nothing like queues. More oldies than anything (good for you, hope it's Leave). Perhaps it got busier later.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Just hearing slight suggestions of low turnout in Remain-friendly Edinburgh thus far. Make of it what you will.
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It is not beyond the realms of possibility that this referendum could be decided by postal votes of people who have died before polling day. (i.e. voted when still alive)0
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Another one for the short list, well done to him.Alanbrooke said:
My brother flew back from Germany last night to vote.Sandpit said:
Well done Sunil, provisional winner of the best trip to the polling station award 2016. Has anyone else gone way out of their way to manage to vote today?TheScreamingEagles said:Sunil has just texted me he's just voted in Ilford
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Plague of frogs next... maybe Cameron was right about the end of the world?KentRising said:Northwest Kent (and presumbly south London at least) is suffering a complete deluge.
It's as dark as night.0 -
Ladbrokes gave the reason for the betting odds being more in favour of REMAIN is that the average REMAIN bet was over £400 but the average leave bet was under £100.
Rich people are inclined to bet REMAIN and poor people are inclined to bet LEAVE, probably because that is their experience amongst the people they know.0 -
LOL, but at least you showed the dedication to go the whole way :-)MarkHopkins said:Alanbrooke said:
My brother flew back from Germany last night to vote.Sandpit said:
Well done Sunil, provisional winner of the best trip to the polling station award 2016. Has anyone else gone way out of their way to manage to vote today?TheScreamingEagles said:Sunil has just texted me he's just voted in Ilford
That's nothing. I had to go an extra 200 yards because they'd moved the polling station.0 -
You are enlightening me - thanks - interestingIanB2 said:
If they have done their sums right, the larger lost bets on Remain should cover the cost of paying out the winnings to the Leave people (on betfair, since bets are matched, the transfers take place directly between the two sets of punters). Typically however bookmakers tend to do better when the expected happens (favourite wins) and can be caught out if something at longer odds comes in a winner. Whether they would actually be out of pocket with a Leave win, I have no idea. With just two outcomes, I suspect not - it's not exactly the same as a 100/1 horse winning the Grand National, after all...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Thanks for that - so if leave win do the bookies loseIanB2 said:
Because a narrow lead in the polls translates into a reasonably high probability of having more votes than the other sideBig_G_NorthWales said:How can remain be 84% - 16% - and what happens to bets if leave wins - (I don't bet or really understand it)
The bets on remain are all lost and the people who have backed leave buy us all lots of drinks0 -
I was straight in at 7am, and it was much quieter than a GE, only 2 of us. Normally a few people in there at 7, if its decent weather, which it was.Luckyguy1983 said:
I voted at 7.30am but would concur. Nothing like queues. More oldies than anything (good for you, hope it's Leave). Perhaps it got busier later.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Just hearing slight suggestions of low turnout in Remain-friendly Edinburgh thus far. Make of it what you will.
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Mr. Evershed, if they turn out equally, Leave win. But if they turn out equally, that would mean pretty damned high turnout.0
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Way off topic, today's good news story:
Two sick workers evacuated safely from the South Pole research station, after a massive rescue mission.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/21/antarctica-polar-rescue-planes-medical-emergency0 -
If so then Betfair is hopelessly skewed towards Remain. You can put £1000 on Remain - but you only have 1 vote still.David_Evershed said:Ladbrokes gave the reason for the betting odds being more in favour of REMAIN is that the average REMAIN bet was over £400 but the average leave bet was under £100.
Rich people are inclined to bet REMAIN and poor people are inclined to bet LEAVE, probably because that is their experience amongst the people they know.0 -
Miss Plato, 3,000 was the winning margin in the Austrian presidential election.0
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There was a property owner on Sky in Essex under water and at one time up the knee. If this is happening over leave's strongest area will that cause a problem for leave or remainKentRising said:Northwest Kent (and presumbly south London at least) is suffering a complete deluge.
It's as dark as night.0 -
Isn't there SOME risk of shy-Leavers in the SNP ranks. Don't want to go against the leadership in public, but know that Leave gives the best chance of another Referendum to get out the UK?FF43 said:
Not very busy when I voted but, interestingly, numbers of late twenties/thirty somethings. The demographic that voted Yes in Indyref and presumably will vote Remain this timeLuckyguy1983 said:
I voted at 7.30am but would concur. Nothing like queues. More oldies than anything (good for you, hope it's Leave). Perhaps it got busier later.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Just hearing slight suggestions of low turnout in Remain-friendly Edinburgh thus far. Make of it what you will.
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Am I right in thinking that they didn't have a recount?Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, 3,000 was the winning margin in the Austrian presidential election.
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The night is darkest just before dawn.KentRising said:Northwest Kent (and presumbly south London at least) is suffering a complete deluge.
It's as dark as night.0 -
Sunil is the very epitome of a shy leaverTheScreamingEagles said:Sunil has just texted me he's just voted in Ilford
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Night? That must mean the polling stations are closed then...KentRising said:Northwest Kent (and presumbly south London at least) is suffering a complete deluge.
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YouGove have an interactive tool:Chameleon said:
I don't know what they are, but my hunch is that 56-70 is good for Remain. Above that ~75 would be very good for leave (as lots of WWC will have turned out)FrankBooth said:What was the prediction for the result based on turnout? I seem to remember low turnout was good for Leave, medium was good for Remain and high was good for Leave.
I come back again to what Isabel Hardman said last night on Newsnight. Labour was originally worried about apathy amongst their own voters. Now they're hoping some of those voters decide to stay in bed.
https://yougov.co.uk/turnout-o-meter/?turnout=60&overallremaing=9&agefactor=1.4&classfactor=1
Leave win on the current 2% polling average lead (for Remain) on a turn out of 70% or under (assuming no skew to older voters, which there will be).0 -
Leave will win if Londoners can't get back home to vote. The flooding on the transport network is like some sort of sick joke.0
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"Brisk" turnout in Killamarsh, but not overwhelming so far as I could work out.0
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Yes tomorrow when weve shifted the deadhand of Osborne and Juncker, we'll be singing Mr Blue Sky with TSE.Charles said:
The night is darkest just before dawn.KentRising said:Northwest Kent (and presumbly south London at least) is suffering a complete deluge.
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Mr. Pulpstar, but is it a Remain or Leave area?
Mr. Bob, I wonder if there would be genuine calls for a re-run. Hmm.
Mr. Smithson, is Dr. Prasannan voting Leave? He should have said something.
Mr. Rose, I believe not. Some areas had Tower Hamlets' turnout, though.0 -
But...two at once needed evacuating? What is this - The Thing?Sandpit said:Way off topic, today's good news story:
Two sick workers evacuated safely from the South Pole research station, after a massive rescue mission.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/21/antarctica-polar-rescue-planes-medical-emergency0 -
Divine retribution. Wait until the plagues of boils and the frogs turn up.Jobabob said:Leave will win if Londoners can't get back home to vote. The flooding on the transport network is like some sort of sick joke.
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Morris Dancer.You have summed it up "I guess". Nobody knows. Somebody said Warrington is a big Leave area, news to me. Consderable commuter belt in all directions, on the main line, M6, key industrial base for European firms etc, I used to work there. Really no - one knows.
I live in the West Midlands and can only report that mothers at my grand daughters school in a less affluent area of the town, are heavily voting to Remain, (according to my daughter), apparently they all chat at the school gate. Me I have no personal idea or knowledge and await the outcome. I voted almost 3 weeks ago Remain, but have a bet on leave at 3-1. I have no idea at all whether I will be calling to collect tomorrow or not.
Whatever happens we are in the EEC tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, even the year after, maybe even at the 2020 election. If Leave win, events usually take over and will we ever Leave, it has to be a big question. We may well look back in 2 years time and wonder what on earth was that all about!!!!!!0 -
100% correct - It's the LAWIanB2 said:
Because a narrow lead in the polls translates into a reasonably high probability of having more votes than the other sideBig_G_NorthWales said:How can remain be 84% - 16% - and what happens to bets if leave wins - (I don't bet or really understand it)
The bets on remain are all lost and the people who have backed leave buy us all lots of drinks0 -
Worrying.Jobabob said:Leave will win if Londoners can't get back home to vote. The flooding on the transport network is like some sort of sick joke.
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Returned from work to find a couple of young VoteLeavers pushing leaflets through letterboxes - definitely working harder than Remain, which I'm still surprised about, given the effort the local LDs put in to win the seat in 2015.0
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Just HM the Q, Defender of the Faith, having a word with the Big Man upstairs....Alanbrooke said:
Divine retribution. Wait until the plagues of boils and the frogs turn up.Jobabob said:Leave will win if Londoners can't get back home to vote. The flooding on the transport network is like some sort of sick joke.
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Will we see polling stations opened for longer in flooded parts of London?0
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IMO not amongst the younger cohorts (and I don't pretend to be the world's authority).MarqueeMark said:
Isn't there SOME risk of shy-Leavers in the SNP ranks. Don't want to go against the leadership in public, but know that Leave gives the best chance of another Referendum to get out the UK?FF43 said:
Not very busy when I voted but, interestingly, numbers of late twenties/thirty somethings. The demographic that voted Yes in Indyref and presumably will vote Remain this timeLuckyguy1983 said:
I voted at 7.30am but would concur. Nothing like queues. More oldies than anything (good for you, hope it's Leave). Perhaps it got busier later.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Just hearing slight suggestions of low turnout in Remain-friendly Edinburgh thus far. Make of it what you will.
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Only because the EU forced it on us.Scrapheap_as_was said:
100% correct - It's the LAWIanB2 said:
Because a narrow lead in the polls translates into a reasonably high probability of having more votes than the other sideBig_G_NorthWales said:How can remain be 84% - 16% - and what happens to bets if leave wins - (I don't bet or really understand it)
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I suppose boiling would be one way to get ride of the water. Although the frogs might not like it.Alanbrooke said:
Divine retribution. Wait until the plagues of boils and the frogs turn up.Jobabob said:Leave will win if Londoners can't get back home to vote. The flooding on the transport network is like some sort of sick joke.
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Noone needs the transport network to vote in London. It'll be a short walk.kle4 said:
Unfortunate if people cannot vote, but how many could have voted earlier? Not all would needed to have waited, although some would have.Jobabob said:Leave will win if Londoners can't get back home to vote. The flooding on the transport network is like some sort of sick joke.
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Old people have umbrellas but do young people?KentRising said:Northwest Kent (and presumbly south London at least) is suffering a complete deluge.
It's as dark as night.0 -
I wonder what's happening in Glasgow.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I was straight in at 7am, and it was much quieter than a GE, only 2 of us. Normally a few people in there at 7, if its decent weather, which it was.Luckyguy1983 said:
I voted at 7.30am but would concur. Nothing like queues. More oldies than anything (good for you, hope it's Leave). Perhaps it got busier later.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Just hearing slight suggestions of low turnout in Remain-friendly Edinburgh thus far. Make of it what you will.
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or a hint to the betting markets, after all Dave promised the four horsemen if it's Leave,MarqueeMark said:
Just HM the Q, Defender of the Faith, having a word with the Big Man upstairs....Alanbrooke said:
Divine retribution. Wait until the plagues of boils and the frogs turn up.Jobabob said:Leave will win if Londoners can't get back home to vote. The flooding on the transport network is like some sort of sick joke.
this is the warm up act.0 -
They do need it if they can't get home from work.Omnium said:
Noone needs the transport network to vote in London. It'll be a short walk.kle4 said:
Unfortunate if people cannot vote, but how many could have voted earlier? Not all would needed to have waited, although some would have.Jobabob said:Leave will win if Londoners can't get back home to vote. The flooding on the transport network is like some sort of sick joke.
Sorry, I am panicking probably.0
