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Primrose Hill Gazette exclusive: Primrose Hill Votes Remain! By Pretty Cub Reporter.DearPB said:
That'll be itSeanT said:
Alternatively a random pretty girl saw famous "Primrose Hill Borders" thriller writer S K Tremayne hoving into view, and took her one chance to actually talk to him, and maybe flirt with him, by pretending she was doing "an exit poll".El_Dave said:
It may be that SeanT's neighbours just want to get addresses of undesirables.IanB2 said:
Anyone doing an exit poll who sends someone to Primrose Hill seriously doesn't know what they are doing. Even if you try to cover a spread of strong-remain and strong-leave areas, you have a devil of a job with the weighting and your result depends more on your assumptions than the actual data. The only sensible approach is to find as many differing expected-50/50 areas as you can and then see what results you get.dyedwoolie said:
The very definition of comfort polling!tlg86 said:
I hope they are polling places other than Primrose Hill!SeanT said:Incidentally my exit poll experience shows, clearly, that exit polls are happening.
It must be those banks and hedge funds. They will be feeding the info back to HQ. So the markets are, presumably, already exhibiting some of the effects.
I expect El Presidente Juncker will be having a celebratory drink or 15 tonight
She succeeded, god bless her.
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Participation in elections especially local does seem to be higher in those countries with proportional systems, FWIWRobD said:
Is there any evidence that introducing PR dramatically increases turnout at elections? I suppose it could be difficult to disentangle from the trend of decreasing participation in recent decades. I still prefer the constituency link...SouthamObserver said:
In all seriousness, the only way to make working class votes really count is to change the voting system. All those who want forgotten voices to be heard have to engage with this.nunu said:
I have come round after being the traditional Tory that was strongly for fptp.KentRising said:
Coming round to the idea.SouthamObserver said:
Hopefully Brendan and all those others on the right who are now so keen to empower the working class after supporting policies that do them active harm will start to advocate PR. It's the only thing that will make any practical difference as it will make working class votes important again.
You can have a constituency link with PR, either via multi-member constituencies Irish-style or with the constituency plus top-up system recommended by Jenkins and similar to that used in Scotland and for the GLA0 -
Presumably the Betfair moves are mostly trading/profit-taking activity. But intriguing that the private "exit" polling might be producing results at variance with the Populous/IPSOS polls earlier today.0
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They will win Birmingham easily. Leave should of had Boris and a prominent Labor political leading not Boris and gove.AndyJS said:"With the size of counting areas varying dramatically, there are some results which are a lot more important than others. For instance, Birmingham accounts for 1.5 per cent of all voters and is expected to be one of the closest-run races of the night. Its results will be out at 4am and could be one of the biggest events of the whole evening."
http://www.cityam.com/243872/eu-referendum-most-important-results-watch
You'd have thought Remain would win easily in Birmingham,0 -
That reminds me, I have a fiver at 1,000,000/1 with Tissue Price on a dead heat.MikeSmithson said:
You can't rule out the exact dead heatTheScreamingEagles said:I'm officially calling this referendum for Remain or Leave, no one else is going to win
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Can hear the thunder to the South East right now.Barnesian said:
Helluva storm over the Isle of Wight and Southampton at the moment, moving briskly North East. Should reach London in about 90 minutes.taffys said:Weather forecast shows London being pounded by storms later today.
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So we know how Thomas Knox voted.John_M said:Sean is an English gentleman. A gentleman's word is his bond. I would never doubt him. Of course, if it ever came out that he had suffered a momentary lapse of candour, it would, of course, have to be the the glass of whisky, the revolver and a significant nod towards the PB library.
Which way did S.K. Tremayne vote?0 -
Pfft, they got spanked back in the 7th century. Not my fault if they haven't adapted to the harsh realities of Anglicisation. Hail Hengist and Horsa!Tabman said:
Isn't he Cornish? That's not English.John_M said:
Sean is an English gentleman. A gentleman's word is his bond. I would never doubt him. Of course, if it ever came out that he had suffered a momentary lapse of candour, it would, of course, have to be the the glass of whisky, the revolver and a significant nod towards the PB library.TOPPING said:
You don't think @SeanT actually voted Leave do you?!John_M said:
Chapeau old chap. I owe you an apology. I confidently predicted to m'daughter (who is a huge fan of your work) that you would buckle under the peer pressure. So sorry for doubting your intestinal fortitude.SeanT said:
Talking of which, here's my experienceDavid_Evershed said:Some investment banks and hedge funds have commissioned exit polls during the day today.
Sterlind has strengthened 1.1% so far today.
The FTSE 100 is up 1.15% so far today.
Ergo the vote is for REMAIN.
I voted in a leafy corner of Primrose Hill.
On the way out I was exit polled - yes! - by a pretty girl. I had a quick peek at her clipboard; it showed REMAIN outnumbering LEAVE by about four or five to one. Not unexpected in that neck of the woods. She said they'd been "quite busy", but she was barely 18 so possibly had nothing to judge it by.
Then on the way out I was interviewed by German radio, and I explained to the good people of Germany why I voted the way I did.
For the record, I summoned blood, stiffened sinews, and voted LEAVE, in full and stoical expectation of defeat. But also in happy anticipation of being able to blame quisling, treacherous REMAINIANS for every awful thing the EU does for the next 15 years.
And we will blame them. Oh yes, we will.
He..is..a..writer..of..fiction.
Of course it's a much better story to say he's voted Leave.
Actually, he voted Remain. I heard all about it on Deutschland FM.0 -
I believe that everybody in London not wearing an In sticker has voted Leave.... It's about as valid.matt said:
You really believe that?AndyJS said:
Wearing a Leave sticker in London probably wouldn't be a pleasant experience.mwjfrome17 said:My experience today. Have an hours daily tube journey to Parsons Green SW6 from Walthamstow. Been there and back already. Have seen many hundreds of people wearing a Vote Remain or Im In sticker, but not a single one for leave. Just voted at about the same time as I did in the London Mayoral election. Today roughly half the names in my (small) street had a mark by them. In May I was the only one.
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Offtopic:
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=25225
Trump and the RNC have both remembered that the real enemy are the liberals that advocate gun control in the last few days I expect
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Sean's revelation that Remain had only a 5:1 lead in NW1 was no doubt responsible for Leave's brief flirtation with 4s in the betting markets.0
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With their alumnus running most of the world's central banks, including ours, I find such a prospect unlikely.HurstLlama said:
Wotcha, Mr. G., there are many topics that you and I disagree on, but on one I think we are united - the malignant effect of these international banks.malcolmg said:
Ha Ha Ha , that bunch of shysters could not run a bathJessieShamus said:
Funny you should say that...kjohnw said:if Leave do manage to somehow pull this off, the egg on faces is going to be huge, and the markets will be in chaos tomorrow
"City banks - including UBS, HSBC, Morgan Stanley and Bank of America Merrill Lynch - have written to clients telling them to prepare for disruption once the EU referendum result is declared."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-3655935/Pound-hits-2106-high-against-dollar-traders-bet-Remain-banks-warn-result-paralyse-markets.html
A few years ago Goldman Sachs was caught out selling an investment product that they themselves were betting against. How that company is still allowed to do business in the UK is beyond me. I read yesterday that the chap in charge of their division that was responsible for rigging the Greek figures that enabled them to supposedly qualify for admission to the Euro was none other than our present governor of the Bank of England.
We are told that unless we do what they say these crooks will feck off to Frankfurt or some where. As far as I am concerned they can feck off to wherever they like and feck up someone else's economy.
We need a banking sector, of course we do, but let us have one that is honest, not the bunch of crooks we seem to be stuck with.0 -
He's Devonshire-born. All cream-tea and sand rather than true Cornish gritstone.Tabman said:
Isn't he Cornish? That's not English.John_M said:
Sean is an English gentleman. A gentleman's word is his bond. I would never doubt him. Of course, if it ever came out that he had suffered a momentary lapse of candour, it would, of course, have to be the the glass of whisky, the revolver and a significant nod towards the PB library.TOPPING said:
You don't think @SeanT actually voted Leave do you?!John_M said:
Chapeau old chap. I owe you an apology. I confidently predicted to m'daughter (who is a huge fan of your work) that you would buckle under the peer pressure. So sorry for doubting your intestinal fortitude.SeanT said:
Talking of which, here's my experienceDavid_Evershed said:Some investment banks and hedge funds have commissioned exit polls during the day today.
Sterlind has strengthened 1.1% so far today.
The FTSE 100 is up 1.15% so far today.
Ergo the vote is for REMAIN.
I voted in a leafy corner of Primrose Hill.
On the way out I was exit polled - yes! - by a pretty girl. I had a quick peek at her clipboard; it showed REMAIN outnumbering LEAVE by about four or five to one. Not unexpected in that neck of the woods. She said they'd been "quite busy", but she was barely 18 so possibly had nothing to judge it by.
Then on the way out I was interviewed by German radio, and I explained to the good people of Germany why I voted the way I did.
For the record, I summoned blood, stiffened sinews, and voted LEAVE, in full and stoical expectation of defeat. But also in happy anticipation of being able to blame quisling, treacherous REMAINIANS for every awful thing the EU does for the next 15 years.
And we will blame them. Oh yes, we will.
He..is..a..writer..of..fiction.
Of course it's a much better story to say he's voted Leave.
Actually, he voted Remain. I heard all about it on Deutschland FM.
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I assume that it falls out of Viz and the Student Grant strip there. I agree that it's a moron detector, although Bliar and EUSSR are pretty infallible as well.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Is this a new demand of Nigel Farage?TheScreamingEagles said:
'Exit' polls.RealBritain said:
Is there anything remotely concrete to be moving these figures ?TheScreamingEagles said:Real recovery by leave. Now back at 5.5
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£ going up again 1.4823...ftse rising too0
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Disraeli said:
"I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported."FF43 said:
I agree with this and I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported. I think leaving the EU is offering false hope, by not tackling the real issues. Unfortunately I think Mr Cameron will be only too glad to move on.williamglenn said:
The left in Britain still hasn't grasped some basic truths that Germany's left understood 15 years ago. In a globalising world you can only protect wages by increasing the value added by labour, and holding down the cost of living does more for living standards than allowing wage inflation to take hold.FF43 said:
I am very sympathetic. The problem is, those people have no-one standing up for them. The remain establishment aren't interested, while the likes of Johnson, Gove and probably Farage want to get out of the EU because it fetters capitalism too much.pinkrose said:WOW! This is a great read and the case those on the Left should've made for Leave.
So would I - since I have become one of them.
Cameron et al doesn't give a ahit about the left behind-never has.Disraeli said:
"I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported."FF43 said:
I agree with this and I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported. I think leaving the EU is offering false hope, by not tackling the real issues. Unfortunately I think Mr Cameron will be only too glad to move on.williamglenn said:
The left in Britain still hasn't grasped some basic truths that Germany's left understood 15 years ago. In a globalising world you can only protect wages by increasing the value added by labour, and holding down the cost of living does more for living standards than allowing wage inflation to take hold.FF43 said:
I am very sympathetic. The problem is, those people have no-one standing up for them. The remain establishment aren't interested, while the likes of Johnson, Gove and probably Farage want to get out of the EU because it fetters capitalism too much.pinkrose said:WOW! This is a great read and the case those on the Left should've made for Leave.
So would I - since I have become one of them.0 -
Gisela Stuart's seat is in Brum.nunu said:
They will win Birmingham easily. Leave should of had Boris and a prominent Labor political leading not Boris and gove.AndyJS said:"With the size of counting areas varying dramatically, there are some results which are a lot more important than others. For instance, Birmingham accounts for 1.5 per cent of all voters and is expected to be one of the closest-run races of the night. Its results will be out at 4am and could be one of the biggest events of the whole evening."
http://www.cityam.com/243872/eu-referendum-most-important-results-watch
You'd have thought Remain would win easily in Birmingham,0 -
Women's Equality Party.Scott_P said:
So we know how Thomas Knox voted.John_M said:Sean is an English gentleman. A gentleman's word is his bond. I would never doubt him. Of course, if it ever came out that he had suffered a momentary lapse of candour, it would, of course, have to be the the glass of whisky, the revolver and a significant nod towards the PB library.
Which way did S.K. Tremayne vote?0 -
Borrow a rubber from MI5 and you could have taken two photos to make sure you had your options covered...SeanT said:
I really did vote LEAVE. I would have taken a photo of it, but isn't that illegal and gets you hung in St Katherine's Docks or something?Tabman said:
Isn't he Cornish? That's not English.John_M said:
Sean is an English gentleman. A gentleman's word is his bond. I would never doubt him. Of course, if it ever came out that he had suffered a momentary lapse of candour, it would, of course, have to be the the glass of whisky, the revolver and a significant nod towards the PB library.TOPPING said:
You don't think @SeanT actually voted Leave do you?!John_M said:
Chapeau old chap. I owe you an apology. I confidently predicted to m'daughter (who is a huge fan of your work) that you would buckle under the peer pressure. So sorry for doubting your intestinal fortitude.SeanT said:
Talking of which, here's my experienceDavid_Evershed said:Some investment banks and hedge funds have commissioned exit polls during the day today.
Sterlind has strengthened 1.1% so far today.
The FTSE 100 is up 1.15% so far today.
Ergo the vote is for REMAIN.
I voted in a leafy corner of Primrose Hill.
On the way out I was exit polled - yes! - by a pretty girl. I had a quick peek at her clipboard; it showed REMAIN outnumbering LEAVE by about four or five to one. Not unexpected in that neck of the woods. She said they'd been "quite busy", but she was barely 18 so possibly had nothing to judge it by.
Then on the way out I was interviewed by German radio, and I explained to the good people of Germany why I voted the way I did.
For the record, I summoned blood, stiffened sinews, and voted LEAVE, in full and stoical expectation of defeat. But also in happy anticipation of being able to blame quisling, treacherous REMAINIANS for every awful thing the EU does for the next 15 years.
And we will blame them. Oh yes, we will.
He..is..a..writer..of..fiction.
Of course it's a much better story to say he's voted Leave.
Actually, he voted Remain. I heard all about it on Deutschland FM.
Anyway. WORK.0 -
In fairness, I don't detect much more than lip service from any of our major parties.nunu said:Disraeli said:
"I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported."FF43 said:
I agree with this and I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported. I think leaving the EU is offering false hope, by not tackling the real issues. Unfortunately I think Mr Cameron will be only too glad to move on.williamglenn said:
The left in Britain still hasn't grasped some basic truths that Germany's left understood 15 years ago. In a globalising world you can only protect wages by increasing the value added by labour, and holding down the cost of living does more for living standards than allowing wage inflation to take hold.FF43 said:
I am very sympathetic. The problem is, those people have no-one standing up for them. The remain establishment aren't interested, while the likes of Johnson, Gove and probably Farage want to get out of the EU because it fetters capitalism too much.pinkrose said:WOW! This is a great read and the case those on the Left should've made for Leave.
So would I - since I have become one of them.
Cameron et al doesn't give a ahit about the left behind-never has.Disraeli said:
"I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported."FF43 said:
I agree with this and I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported. I think leaving the EU is offering false hope, by not tackling the real issues. Unfortunately I think Mr Cameron will be only too glad to move on.williamglenn said:
So would I - since I have become one of them.
Also in fairness - we are running a chunky deficit almost eight years after the worse recession since time immemorial. There are limits to what can actually be done.0 -
Remain lost the moral high ground when too many of its supporters tried to make capital out of a murder.Jobabob said:
Only one of the campaigns published a poster of people with dark faces in a queue, with the message Breaking Point over the top of it.KentRising said:
In your - relentless, relentless - view.Jobabob said:
Another great post by you.nunu said:
I think leave relying on cities like Birmingham should have rang alarm bells. A campaign based 80% on immigration is not going to win cities like Birmingham, Bradford which was also predicted to be narrowly leave. Its not that these places don't want controlled immigration they do, they are just not going to vote for a side that bangs on about that to the detriment of everything elese.surbiton said:Birmingham also surprises me with 48-52 for Leave.
In the final analysis, assuming a Remain victory, it will be the overplaying of the immigration card, and the idiocy of the hateful poster campaign that will be seen (rightly or wrongly) as the turning point. To think some on here defended it. It was a shameful, squalid campaign.
Both campaigns were squalid.
Both as disgusting as each other.0 -
Because of the people who lose from globalisation and are ignored by their elected representatives.Richard_Nabavi said:
Excellent stuff, Charles, and a very articulate statement of why I support Cameron's politics, which is in the great tradition of one-nation Conservatism.Charles said:[snip]
Fundamentally, I've become increasingly concerned about some of the gaps opening up in this country between those who are elected to govern, and the people who they ignore and leave behind. London has always had a distinct character, but over the last 20 years, this has become increasingly pronounced. ...
[snip for brevity]
But how on earth do you get from that to wanting to risk trashing the economy by leaving the EU and supporting the more right-wing type of BOOer Tory? An utter logical disconnect, if you don't mind me saying so. I am completely baffled.
Because our economy isn't working. It serves the MNCs and makes life tough for small businesses. That just isn't right. It's hollowed out the tax base and encouraged companies to gouge for "incentives" to stay where they are.
Fundamentally our entire system is based on making the haves richer and ignoring the have nots. Leaving the EU gives us a chance to reset.0 -
Promoting a policy of having immigration controls is not racist provided the controls apply equally to all races, which the REMAIN policy doesn't but the LEAVE policy does.Jobabob said:
Only one of the campaigns published a poster of people with dark faces in a queue, with the message Breaking Point over the top of it.KentRising said:
In your - relentless, relentless - view.Jobabob said:
Another great post by you.nunu said:
I think leave relying on cities like Birmingham should have rang alarm bells. A campaign based 80% on immigration is not going to win cities like Birmingham, Bradford which was also predicted to be narrowly leave. Its not that these places don't want controlled immigration they do, they are just not going to vote for a side that bangs on about that to the detriment of everything elese.surbiton said:Birmingham also surprises me with 48-52 for Leave.
In the final analysis, assuming a Remain victory, it will be the overplaying of the immigration card, and the idiocy of the hateful poster campaign that will be seen (rightly or wrongly) as the turning point. To think some on here defended it. It was a shameful, squalid campaign.
Both campaigns were squalid.
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Not as good as his ex's Scherezade's Guardian lifestyle article (now deleted as "copyright expires") on raising goats as a green lifestyle option. She really did say something like "don't worry about having enough space to rear goats, you only need to use one of your smaller fields".TOPPING said:
As mentioned by me on here before. It is up there with Zac saying his favourite shop (in the My London section in the Standard) was Londis.John_M said:
From the Daily Mail interview:Sean_F said:
Is Samantha Cameron's daughter planning to become a carpenter or electrician?John_M said:I suppose we can take solace that Samantha's Cameron's daughter will be able to get that apprenticeship now.
"But I look at my daughter Nancy and think that in only six years she could be starting an apprenticeship"
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Did the Carlton have a Snooker Room? Dashed bad form if it did. Even the National Liberal Club had a Billiards Room. The cues were all twisted, mind, and I am sure that some of the billiard balls were elliptical (and I am damn sure that none of the cloths were true).DearPB said:
The Carlton turned it's snooker room into a "business suite". Just one of the reasons I left...SandyRentool said:
Charles, I think your club is more the sort of place Mandy had in mind!Charles said:
my club has a billard room but no table. Does that count?Pulpstar said:
Two full size snooker tablesSandyRentool said:Here's something that will cheer us all up:
"Ex-Hartlepool MP and former business secretary Peter Mandelson insisted there’ll be no “magic bullet” by leaving the European Union during a visit to Teesside.
Labour Peer Lord Mandelson – also a former trade and industry secretary and European trade commissioner – spoke to 400 delegates and guests at NEPIC's annual conference and exhibition at Wynyard Hall on Wednesday, attended by Tees Business.
He told firms from the region’s process and chemical industry that leaving the EU would be like leaving a members’ club – and turning our back on all the benefits that come with it.
“The European Union is a bit like a club, and it has very strong facilities,” said Lord Mandelson during a 20-minute speech."
When he says 'club' with 'facilities' I guess he doesn't mean a Working Men's Club with two full size snooker tables and a bar skittles table.
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This does genuinely interest me. But is it remotely plausible - either to be actually going on, or producing such results ?pbr2013 said:Presumably the Betfair moves are mostly trading/profit-taking activity. But intriguing that the private "exit" polling might be producing results at variance with the Populous/IPSOS polls earlier today.
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If it's a dead heat, Remain wins.MikeSmithson said:
You can't rule out the exact dead heatTheScreamingEagles said:I'm officially calling this referendum for Remain or Leave, no one else is going to win
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The Carlton? *shudders*DearPB said:
The Carlton turned it's snooker room into a "business suite". Just one of the reasons I left...SandyRentool said:
Charles, I think your club is more the sort of place Mandy had in mind!Charles said:
my club has a billard room but no table. Does that count?Pulpstar said:
Two full size snooker tablesSandyRentool said:Here's something that will cheer us all up:
"Ex-Hartlepool MP and former business secretary Peter Mandelson insisted there’ll be no “magic bullet” by leaving the European Union during a visit to Teesside.
Labour Peer Lord Mandelson – also a former trade and industry secretary and European trade commissioner – spoke to 400 delegates and guests at NEPIC's annual conference and exhibition at Wynyard Hall on Wednesday, attended by Tees Business.
He told firms from the region’s process and chemical industry that leaving the EU would be like leaving a members’ club – and turning our back on all the benefits that come with it.
“The European Union is a bit like a club, and it has very strong facilities,” said Lord Mandelson during a 20-minute speech."
When he says 'club' with 'facilities' I guess he doesn't mean a Working Men's Club with two full size snooker tables and a bar skittles table.
Two bars and a pool table at my one
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Good afternoon, everyone.0
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@mrdavidwhitley: Guys, guys. Just realised that 'Use pens' is an anagram of 'EU's pens'. This is a false flag operation. #usepens #falseflag0
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If it wins - will they as for a recount . . .TheScreamingEagles said:
That reminds me, I have a fiver at 1,000,000/1 with Tissue Price on a dead heat.MikeSmithson said:
You can't rule out the exact dead heatTheScreamingEagles said:I'm officially calling this referendum for Remain or Leave, no one else is going to win
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Good afternoon.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
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betfair down to 6.40
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It happened at Trent Bridge earlier this week - was that a portent?MikeSmithson said:
You can't rule out the exact dead heatTheScreamingEagles said:I'm officially calling this referendum for Remain or Leave, no one else is going to win
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True but that should have been fixed by now. As it hasn't when the next recession hits (and if will soon) we really are going to be in a messJohn_M said:
In fairness, I don't detect much more than lip service from any of our major parties.nunu said:Disraeli said:
"I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported."FF43 said:
I agree with this and I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported. I think leaving the EU is offering false hope, by not tackling the real issues. Unfortunately I think Mr Cameron will be only too glad to move on.williamglenn said:
The left in Britain still hasn't grasped some basic truths that Germany's left understood 15 years ago. In a globalising world you can only protect wages by increasing the value added by labour, and holding down the cost of living does more for living standards than allowing wage inflation to take hold.FF43 said:
I am very sympathetic. The problem is, those people have no-one standing up for them. The remain establishment aren't interested, while the likes of Johnson, Gove and probably Farage want to get out of the EU because it fetters capitalism too much.pinkrose said:WOW! This is a great read and the case those on the Left should've made for Leave.
So would I - since I have become one of them.
Cameron et al doesn't give a ahit about the left behind-never has.Disraeli said:
"I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported."FF43 said:
I agree with this and I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported. I think leaving the EU is offering false hope, by not tackling the real issues. Unfortunately I think Mr Cameron will be only too glad to move on.williamglenn said:
So would I - since I have become one of them.
Also in fairness - we are running a chunky deficit almost eight years after the worse recession since time immemorial. There are limits to what can actually be done.0 -
I've just cast my votes. Apparently there had been "a steady flow".0
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No they can't. Judicial review.weejonnie said:
If it wins - will they as for a recount . . .TheScreamingEagles said:
That reminds me, I have a fiver at 1,000,000/1 with Tissue Price on a dead heat.MikeSmithson said:
You can't rule out the exact dead heatTheScreamingEagles said:I'm officially calling this referendum for Remain or Leave, no one else is going to win
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Good afternoon, Mr. Britain. The weather's been rather nice today, although one hopes it will not turn humid as the evening approaches.0
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I hadn't forgotten. But then I hadn't been reminding you either!TheScreamingEagles said:
That reminds me, I have a fiver at 1,000,000/1 with Tissue Price on a dead heat.MikeSmithson said:
You can't rule out the exact dead heatTheScreamingEagles said:I'm officially calling this referendum for Remain or Leave, no one else is going to win
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Good afternoon.RealBritain said:
Good afternoon.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
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Why - they had their chance to vote - they can only blame themselves.Tabman said:
It's conceivable that we could get Remain on a high turnout and with demonstrably >50% in favour, and a subsequent general election in which Leave parties or supporters "win" on a lower turnout under FPTP so withBob__Sykes said:
If we do get the "dockside hooker" treatment (and I'm not convinced), then we might not need another referendum - a general election may sort it.Moses_ said:Good poll for remain.
Bend over because we are about to get the dockside hooker treatment from Junker and pals.
Oh and there will never be another referendum. The EU will make absolutely certain of that and very very quickly.0 -
Nat Lib Club still has a snooker and Billiards room. Right across the corridor from "The Savavge Club"HurstLlama said:
Did the Carlton have a Snooker Room? Dashed bad form if it did. Even the National Liberal Club had a Billiards Room. The cues were all twisted, mind, and I am sure that some of the billiard balls were elliptical (and I am damn sure that none of the cloths were true).DearPB said:
The Carlton turned it's snooker room into a "business suite". Just one of the reasons I left...SandyRentool said:
Charles, I think your club is more the sort of place Mandy had in mind!Charles said:
my club has a billard room but no table. Does that count?Pulpstar said:
Two full size snooker tablesSandyRentool said:Here's something that will cheer us all up:
"Ex-Hartlepool MP and former business secretary Peter Mandelson insisted there’ll be no “magic bullet” by leaving the European Union during a visit to Teesside.
Labour Peer Lord Mandelson – also a former trade and industry secretary and European trade commissioner – spoke to 400 delegates and guests at NEPIC's annual conference and exhibition at Wynyard Hall on Wednesday, attended by Tees Business.
He told firms from the region’s process and chemical industry that leaving the EU would be like leaving a members’ club – and turning our back on all the benefits that come with it.
“The European Union is a bit like a club, and it has very strong facilities,” said Lord Mandelson during a 20-minute speech."
When he says 'club' with 'facilities' I guess he doesn't mean a Working Men's Club with two full size snooker tables and a bar skittles table.
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How do exit polls deal with postal voting?RealBritain said:
This does genuinely interest me. But is it remotely plausible - either to be actually going on, or producing such results ?pbr2013 said:Presumably the Betfair moves are mostly trading/profit-taking activity. But intriguing that the private "exit" polling might be producing results at variance with the Populous/IPSOS polls earlier today.
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Under the rules of elections, turnout is only allowed to be sluggish. Steady or brisk. No other turnouts are permitted0
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Good afternoon.Jobabob said:
Good afternoon.RealBritain said:
Good afternoon.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
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If it was a dead heat they would probably have to do several national recounts, wouldn't they?Sean_F said:
If it's a dead heat, Remain wins.MikeSmithson said:
You can't rule out the exact dead heatTheScreamingEagles said:I'm officially calling this referendum for Remain or Leave, no one else is going to win
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Alumni, surely?Luckyguy1983 said:
With their alumnus running most of the world's central banks, including ours, I find such a prospect unlikely.HurstLlama said:
Wotcha, Mr. G., there are many topics that you and I disagree on, but on one I think we are united - the malignant effect of these international banks.malcolmg said:
Ha Ha Ha , that bunch of shysters could not run a bathJessieShamus said:
Funny you should say that...kjohnw said:if Leave do manage to somehow pull this off, the egg on faces is going to be huge, and the markets will be in chaos tomorrow
"City banks - including UBS, HSBC, Morgan Stanley and Bank of America Merrill Lynch - have written to clients telling them to prepare for disruption once the EU referendum result is declared."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-3655935/Pound-hits-2106-high-against-dollar-traders-bet-Remain-banks-warn-result-paralyse-markets.html
A few years ago Goldman Sachs was caught out selling an investment product that they themselves were betting against. How that company is still allowed to do business in the UK is beyond me. I read yesterday that the chap in charge of their division that was responsible for rigging the Greek figures that enabled them to supposedly qualify for admission to the Euro was none other than our present governor of the Bank of England.
We are told that unless we do what they say these crooks will feck off to Frankfurt or some where. As far as I am concerned they can feck off to wherever they like and feck up someone else's economy.
We need a banking sector, of course we do, but let us have one that is honest, not the bunch of crooks we seem to be stuck with.
And, Mr L, I’ve read that somewhere about Greece and GS, too.
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But at the same time, we all lose.Sean_F said:
If it's a dead heat, Remain wins.MikeSmithson said:
You can't rule out the exact dead heatTheScreamingEagles said:I'm officially calling this referendum for Remain or Leave, no one else is going to win
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I wouldn't be so sure. While the city centre and the university areas may be for Remain, it's pretty Leavey here in the leafy suburbs.AndyJS said:"With the size of counting areas varying dramatically, there are some results which are a lot more important than others. For instance, Birmingham accounts for 1.5 per cent of all voters and is expected to be one of the closest-run races of the night. Its results will be out at 4am and could be one of the biggest events of the whole evening."
http://www.cityam.com/243872/eu-referendum-most-important-results-watch
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From your lips to God's ears as the saying goes. We're going to go into the next recession in pretty poor shape across a whole range of indicators.eek said:
True but that should have been fixed by now. As it hasn't when the next recession hits (and if will soon) we really are going to be in a messJohn_M said:
In fairness, I don't detect much more than lip service from any of our major parties.nunu said:Disraeli said:
"I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported."FF43 said:
I agree with this and I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported. I think leaving the EU is offering false hope, by not tackling the real issues. Unfortunately I think Mr Cameron will be only too glad to move on.williamglenn said:FF43 said:
I am very sympathetic. The problem is, those people have no-one standing up for them. The remain establishment aren't interested, while the likes of Johnson, Gove and probably Farage want to get out of the EU because it fetters capitalism too much.pinkrose said:WOW! This is a great read and the case those on the Left should've made for Leave.
So would I - since I have become one of them.
Cameron et al doesn't give a ahit about the left behind-never has.Disraeli said:
"I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported."FF43 said:
I agree with this and I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported. I think leaving the EU is offering false hope, by not tackling the real issues. Unfortunately I think Mr Cameron will be only too glad to move on.williamglenn said:
So would I - since I have become one of them.
Also in fairness - we are running a chunky deficit almost eight years after the worse recession since time immemorial. There are limits to what can actually be done.
The trouble is, the current administration is logically, if not actually, a minority government. Can you see them doing anything useful by the next election?0 -
Stormy, with strange and shifting interludes. Like the campaign up till now, and not obviously any kind of help to either side.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, Mr. Britain. The weather's been rather nice today, although one hopes it will not turn humid as the evening approaches.
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Yeah but it could still be a dead heat after all that!GarethoftheVale2 said:
If it was a dead heat they would probably have to do several national recounts, wouldn't they?Sean_F said:
If it's a dead heat, Remain wins.MikeSmithson said:
You can't rule out the exact dead heatTheScreamingEagles said:I'm officially calling this referendum for Remain or Leave, no one else is going to win
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If it's a dead heat they'll call for a recount.Sean_F said:
If it's a dead heat, Remain wins.MikeSmithson said:
You can't rule out the exact dead heatTheScreamingEagles said:I'm officially calling this referendum for Remain or Leave, no one else is going to win
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The £9m leafleting was another. And trading concessions on the Trades Union Bill for £1.5m of Remain campaigning. Squalid and bent. Completely unforgivable in my eyes.JennyFreeman said:
both sides are to blame but cameron started the whole mess in a tawdry & un prime-ministerial way. the two week pre campaign purdah during which he tried to manipulate the vote was awful. i've lots of friends who went from remain to leave because of cameron.Sandpit said:
The one thing I think we all agree on here, is that the campaigns could have benefited massively from more light and less heat. Not the finest hour of politics in this country.SouthamObserver said:
Very good post. I don't agree with all of it, but I wish this case had been made in the campaign. Just as I wish we had heard more from the left on the issues identified by the Guardian writer who is voting no.Charles said:I thought it worth posting why I voted Leave as it is probably against my financial self-interest (although @rcs1000 you'd better be wrong about London house prices!)
Fundamentally, I've become increasingly concerned about some of the gaps opening up in this country between those who are elected to govern, and the people who they ignore and leave behind. London has always had a distinct character, but over the last 20 years, this has become increasingly pronounced.
We can, and should, be better than that as a party and as a country. The Conservatives used to be the party of the One Nation. They have forgotten how to do that - and I fear they have forgotten what it even means.
To lead is to serve. Our leaders need to be taught that they are not in charge. Vote Leave: take control.0 -
Could you not have "Stampede"?dyedwoolie said:Under the rules of elections, turnout is only allowed to be sluggish. Steady or brisk. No other turnouts are permitted
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good point. in a vote like this where leave is allegedly well ahead on postals I don't know?FrankBooth said:
How do exit polls deal with postal voting?RealBritain said:
This does genuinely interest me. But is it remotely plausible - either to be actually going on, or producing such results ?pbr2013 said:Presumably the Betfair moves are mostly trading/profit-taking activity. But intriguing that the private "exit" polling might be producing results at variance with the Populous/IPSOS polls earlier today.
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I see Fraser Nelson came out for Leave today. Lot's of angst there.0
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Query repeated from yesterday: is there any provision for a recount in the event of an incredibly close vote? I assume not as nobody has mentioned any such.0
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They could always try voting. One could equally argue that middle class/elderly voters are heard because they do vote. The triple lock and other bribes suggest that voting works.SouthamObserver said:
In all seriousness, the only way to make working class votes really count is to change the voting system. All those who want forgotten voices to be heard have to engage with this.nunu said:
I have come round after being the traditional Tory that was strongly for fptp.KentRising said:
Coming round to the idea.SouthamObserver said:
Hopefully Brendan and all those others on the right who are now so keen to empower the working class after supporting policies that do them active harm will start to advocate PR. It's the only thing that will make any practical difference as it will make working class votes important again.0 -
Same at mine. Bottom line is no-one can really pronounce on turnout until we find out what proportion of people returning home from work 5-8pm go via the polling station...AlastairMeeks said:I've just cast my votes. Apparently there had been "a steady flow".
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Off-topic (and the really important news):
Apple is apparently replacing the 3.5mm headphone jack on their phones with the Lightning connector. Yet another user-unfriendly, messy and cash-grabbing move by Apple.
On a related note, I'm tempted to pre-order a Cat S60 phone. If only JCB still did them ...
http://www.trustedreviews.com/cat-s60-review0 -
What would have convinced you to vote leave?AlastairMeeks said:I've just cast my votes. Apparently there had been "a steady flow".
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Mr. Enjineeya, mentioned previously that Leeds was pale blue (expected to be slightly Leave) on Sky News, Birmingham was the same.
Mr. Britain, indeed. This feels like the calm before the storm.0 -
And besides, in the interests of diversity, haven't you got to include coloured faces anyway.David_Evershed said:
Promoting a policy of having immigration controls is not racist provided the controls apply equally to all races, which the REMAIN policy doesn't but the LEAVE policy does.Jobabob said:
Only one of the campaigns published a poster of people with dark faces in a queue, with the message Breaking Point over the top of it.KentRising said:
In your - relentless, relentless - view.Jobabob said:
Another great post by you.nunu said:
I think leave relying on cities like Birmingham should have rang alarm bells. A campaign based 80% on immigration is not going to win cities like Birmingham, Bradford which was also predicted to be narrowly leave. Its not that these places don't want controlled immigration they do, they are just not going to vote for a side that bangs on about that to the detriment of everything elese.surbiton said:Birmingham also surprises me with 48-52 for Leave.
In the final analysis, assuming a Remain victory, it will be the overplaying of the immigration card, and the idiocy of the hateful poster campaign that will be seen (rightly or wrongly) as the turning point. To think some on here defended it. It was a shameful, squalid campaign.
Both campaigns were squalid.
(A friend launched a product which was based on trials in Co Durham. As most know, the coloured population of Co Durham isn't very high, so when the product was packaged, as well as photographs of children using the product, they had to buy stock photographs of a couple of coloured children to stick on it.)0 -
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=25241
New Poll: Boom! Look Who The Texans Favor In A General Election Matchup
The Hill reported: The poll finds that Donald Trump leads Hillary Clinton by about 7 points in the state. The presumptive GOP nominee garnered the support of 36.8 percent of respondents, while Clinton won the support of 29.7 percent.
Looks like Texas is STAYING GOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!0 -
IMHO, the low point of the Remain campaign was Osborne's Punishment Budget. But, it probably worked.KentRising said:
Remain lost the moral high ground when too many of its supporters tried to make capital out of a murder.Jobabob said:
Only one of the campaigns published a poster of people with dark faces in a queue, with the message Breaking Point over the top of it.KentRising said:
In your - relentless, relentless - view.Jobabob said:
Another great post by you.nunu said:
I think leave relying on cities like Birmingham should have rang alarm bells. A campaign based 80% on immigration is not going to win cities like Birmingham, Bradford which was also predicted to be narrowly leave. Its not that these places don't want controlled immigration they do, they are just not going to vote for a side that bangs on about that to the detriment of everything elese.surbiton said:Birmingham also surprises me with 48-52 for Leave.
In the final analysis, assuming a Remain victory, it will be the overplaying of the immigration card, and the idiocy of the hateful poster campaign that will be seen (rightly or wrongly) as the turning point. To think some on here defended it. It was a shameful, squalid campaign.
Both campaigns were squalid.
Both as disgusting as each other.0 -
There's a name I haven't seen in a long time..Tabman said:
I am he - accept no pale imitations!JonWC said:
Is that the same Tabman who was on this site in 2004?Tabman said:
It won't be long before there are more self-employed people than public sector employees. That represents a massive opportunity for a party prepared to be economically and socially liberal, and on the side of the relatively powerless.PClipp said:
I agree with almost all of that, Mr Charles. And the identification of government circles with big business was one of the reasons I too voted for Leave.
I think where you go wrong is to look back to some golden age when the Conservative Party was anything else. They sometimes pretended to be on the side of the "little people" - but that was always the territory of the Liberals.
Perhaps we are indeed on the point of seeing a major shake-up of the party political system?0 -
Good lord no, this is not a banana republic!timmo said:
Could you not have "Stampede"?dyedwoolie said:Under the rules of elections, turnout is only allowed to be sluggish. Steady or brisk. No other turnouts are permitted
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I don't think anyone who's thought about the issues could be sanguine about their vote. It took me weeks of pondering and reading to finally make up my mind, and even then I havered in the voting booth. This vote is fecking IMPORTANT.pbr2013 said:I see Fraser Nelson came out for Leave today. Lot's of angst there.
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A stunner of a pollPulpstar said:http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=25241
New Poll: Boom! Look Who The Texans Favor In A General Election Matchup
The Hill reported: The poll finds that Donald Trump leads Hillary Clinton by about 7 points in the state. The presumptive GOP nominee garnered the support of 36.8 percent of respondents, while Clinton won the support of 29.7 percent.
Looks like Texas is STAYING GOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mr. Jessop, are they switching from the standard plug/socket to a unique Apple one?
That is a dick move, to use internet parlance (much like the Windows 10 nagging approach).0 -
I agree with Charles rationale on why he voted LEAVE. We also have with this referendum an almost unique situation on mainland UK. Every mainland Party Leader that sits in the House of Commons supports REMAIN whereas circa 50% of the voters support LEAVE. This is a different split to that which happened at the Scots Indy Ref where circa 45% of the voters had the SNP Leadership to represent them. Our Leaders of the UK mainland parties are effectively fighting between them for half the electorate. UKIP, today potentially has 50% of the electorate to itself. Unless of course we do vote LEAVE or the Conservatives appoint a LEAVEr at its head.0
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Small businesses are thriving. We are creating jobs faster than almost any other developed economy. Standard of living are rising, and will rise faster in the coming months (assuming a Remain, of course). Yes, following the 2008/9 crash things have been tough, but the less-well off have actually been extremely well insulated from the worst effects.Charles said:Because of the people who lose from globalisation and are ignored by their elected representatives.
Because our economy isn't working. It serves the MNCs and makes life tough for small businesses. That just isn't right. It's hollowed out the tax base and encouraged companies to gouge for "incentives" to stay where they are.
Fundamentally our entire system is based on making the haves richer and ignoring the have nots. Leaving the EU gives us a chance to reset.
But, most of all, all your complaints, even if they were justified, are completely orthogonal to the issue on the ballot paper today. Quite apart from anything else, the principal economic argument, such as it is, of the Leave campaign is for increased globalisation, opening up our markets to increased competition, reducing tariffs, and trading more with countries such as China, Brazil and USA. If that were to come about and actually work (I'm sceptical, but let's assume the best), how on earth is that supposed to help the little man rather than big business, in a way which membership of the EU - with all its regulations and social protections - doesn't?
It makes no sense. I get the Patrick Minford argument - advocating untrammeled globalisation red in tooth and claw, remove all tariffs, let prices drop, and accept the hit on manufacturing in the hope that the resultant Thatcherite liberalisation will eventually outweigh the short-term damage to jobs and existing industry - but I really don't get yours.
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My favourite Peter Mandelson story is the time he was taken to view his prospective constituency 'oop north.' To initiate their man of the people they took our Peter into a chippy. He was delighted to see one of his favourite dishes behind the counter and asked if he could also have 'some of that lovely guacamole.'
That mushy peas tale is still told across County Durham.0 -
Stephen Kinnock.Sean_F said:
IMHO, the low point of the Remain campaign was Osborne's Punishment Budget. But, it probably worked.KentRising said:
Remain lost the moral high ground when too many of its supporters tried to make capital out of a murder.Jobabob said:
Only one of the campaigns published a poster of people with dark faces in a queue, with the message Breaking Point over the top of it.KentRising said:
In your - relentless, relentless - view.Jobabob said:
Another great post by you.nunu said:
I think leave relying on cities like Birmingham should have rang alarm bells. A campaign based 80% on immigration is not going to win cities like Birmingham, Bradford which was also predicted to be narrowly leave. Its not that these places don't want controlled immigration they do, they are just not going to vote for a side that bangs on about that to the detriment of everything elese.surbiton said:Birmingham also surprises me with 48-52 for Leave.
In the final analysis, assuming a Remain victory, it will be the overplaying of the immigration card, and the idiocy of the hateful poster campaign that will be seen (rightly or wrongly) as the turning point. To think some on here defended it. It was a shameful, squalid campaign.
Both campaigns were squalid.
Both as disgusting as each other.
Osborne has stayed off the air in the last few days, probably wisely for "remain"...0 -
Helping the left behind doesn't always mean increasing spebding, reducing migration and increasing training don't cost the government much.Intact in the long term it will save the government money but our politicians only think about the next election instead of the long term so it is no wonder the population do the same.John_M said:
In fairness, I don't detect much more than lip service from any of our major parties.nunu said:Disraeli said:
"I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported."FF43 said:
I agree with this and I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported. I think leaving the EU is offering false hope, by not tackling the real issues. Unfortunately I think Mr Cameron will be only too glad to move on.williamglenn said:
The left in Britain still hasn't grasped some basic truths that Germany's left understood 15 years ago. In a globalising world you can only protect wages by increasing the value added by labour, and holding down the cost of living does more for living standards than allowing wage inflation to take hold.FF43 said:
I am very sympathetic. The problem is, those people have no-one standing up for them. The remain establishment aren't interested, while the likes of Johnson, Gove and probably Farage want to get out of the EU because it fetters capitalism too much.pinkrose said:WOW! This is a great read and the case those on the Left should've made for Leave.
So would I - since I have become one of them.
Cameron et al doesn't give a ahit about the left behind-never has.Disraeli said:
"I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported."FF43 said:
I agree with this and I would like David Cameron or his successor to think about how those left behind by globalisation can be supported. I think leaving the EU is offering false hope, by not tackling the real issues. Unfortunately I think Mr Cameron will be only too glad to move on.williamglenn said:
So would I - since I have become one of them.
Also in fairness - we are running a chunky deficit almost eight years after the worse recession since time immemorial. There are limits to what can actually be done.0 -
Oh Josias, how I've missed your Apple posts. Go on, talk railways to meJosiasJessop said:Off-topic (and the really important news):
Apple is apparently replacing the 3.5mm headphone jack on their phones with the Lightning connector. Yet another user-unfriendly, messy and cash-grabbing move by Apple.
On a related note, I'm tempted to pre-order a Cat S60 phone. If only JCB still did them ...
http://www.trustedreviews.com/cat-s60-review. 0 -
We have a bet on that don't we?Pulpstar said:http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=25241
New Poll: Boom! Look Who The Texans Favor In A General Election Matchup
The Hill reported: The poll finds that Donald Trump leads Hillary Clinton by about 7 points in the state. The presumptive GOP nominee garnered the support of 36.8 percent of respondents, while Clinton won the support of 29.7 percent.
Looks like Texas is STAYING GOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!0 -
Ugh what a pain in the bum, after I found a pair of 3.5mm headphones I like. I honestly dount the average punter could tell the difference between the two. Only those insisting on having all their music in FLAC format....JosiasJessop said:Off-topic (and the really important news):
Apple is apparently replacing the 3.5mm headphone jack on their phones with the Lightning connector. Yet another user-unfriendly, messy and cash-grabbing move by Apple.
On a related note, I'm tempted to pre-order a Cat S60 phone. If only JCB still did them ...
http://www.trustedreviews.com/cat-s60-review0 -
Heh. From Bet365
Players STILL at the Euros:
⚽ AC Milan 2
⚽ Inter 2
⚽ Sevilla 3
⚽ PSG 3
⚽ Derby County 4
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I'm actually glad I voted Remain by post weeks ago - it prevented any such wavering.John_M said:
I don't think anyone who's thought about the issues could be sanguine about their vote. It took me weeks of pondering and reading to finally make up my mind, and even then I havered in the voting booth. This vote is fecking IMPORTANT.pbr2013 said:I see Fraser Nelson came out for Leave today. Lot's of angst there.
I definitely (definitely) want us to stay in, but a Leave vote would be so much more exciting!0 -
Charles
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Unfortunately (*), I cannot think of a way of combining the two...John_M said:
Oh Josias, how I've missed your Apple posts. Go on, talk railways to meJosiasJessop said:Off-topic (and the really important news):
Apple is apparently replacing the 3.5mm headphone jack on their phones with the Lightning connector. Yet another user-unfriendly, messy and cash-grabbing move by Apple.
On a related note, I'm tempted to pre-order a Cat S60 phone. If only JCB still did them ...
http://www.trustedreviews.com/cat-s60-review.
But it's still true: Apple is IMO the most evil large company in the tech sector. And that's saying summat.
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It's not true, though.JennyFreeman said:My favourite Peter Mandelson story is the time he was taken to view his prospective constituency 'oop north.' To initiate their man of the people they took our Peter into a chippy. He was delighted to see one of his favourite dishes behind the counter and asked if he could also have 'some of that lovely guacamole.'
That mushy peas tale is still told across County Durham.0 -
YepTheScreamingEagles said:
We have a bet on that don't we?Pulpstar said:http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=25241
New Poll: Boom! Look Who The Texans Favor In A General Election Matchup
The Hill reported: The poll finds that Donald Trump leads Hillary Clinton by about 7 points in the state. The presumptive GOP nominee garnered the support of 36.8 percent of respondents, while Clinton won the support of 29.7 percent.
Looks like Texas is STAYING GOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm confident Texas will deliver 0 -
@JoeMurphyLondon: If he wins, Cameron could postpone the reshuffle until 2017, predicts a well-placed Tory. https://t.co/dsxbTUFO3m
“Delaying it will focus people’s minds. Those MPs elected in 2010 and 2015 will be forced to ask themselves, ‘Do I really want to spend the next four or nine years moping in the Tea Room with Bill Cash and Bernard Jenkin, plotting the next referendum?’ Even those who backed Leave will not wish to waste their careers like that. Cameron could easily put the reshuffle off until 2017.”0 -
Yet more evidence of the stupidity of humanity ... why do people fall for the Apple B/S?JosiasJessop said:Apple is apparently replacing the 3.5mm headphone jack on their phones with the Lightning connector. Yet another user-unfriendly, messy and cash-grabbing move by Apple.
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And Arsenal?TheScreamingEagles said:Heh. From Bet365
Players STILL at the Euros:
⚽ AC Milan 2
⚽ Inter 2
⚽ Sevilla 3
⚽ PSG 3
⚽ Derby County 4
◼️◻️ #DCFC ◻️◼️0 -
Anyone changed their mind yet since voting today?0
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AndyJS said:
"With the size of counting areas varying dramatically, there are some results which are a lot more important than others. For instance, Birmingham accounts for 1.5 per cent of all voters and is expected to be one of the closest-run races of the night. Its results will be out at 4am and could be one of the biggest events of the whole evening."
http://www.cityam.com/243872/eu-referendum-most-important-results-watch
You'd have thought Remain would win easily in Birmingham,
Wasn't Cameron there yesterday with Brown? Hmm.
Sod it, just for the hell of it I'll put my prediction out there, fully expecting to be completely, laughably wrong:
Leave to win by 50.9% to 49.1% after a few back-of-the-envelope calculations.
Turnout 71%
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I believe we're now in post-truth politics. Or post-modern. Post- something anyway. Sounds clever, even if I'm not sure what it means.rcs1000 said:
It's not true, though.JennyFreeman said:My favourite Peter Mandelson story is the time he was taken to view his prospective constituency 'oop north.' To initiate their man of the people they took our Peter into a chippy. He was delighted to see one of his favourite dishes behind the counter and asked if he could also have 'some of that lovely guacamole.'
That mushy peas tale is still told across County Durham.0 -
Scallops as well. Remember scallops? Poss the same incident, the only time he was ever in a Northern chippie.JennyFreeman said:My favourite Peter Mandelson story is the time he was taken to view his prospective constituency 'oop north.' To initiate their man of the people they took our Peter into a chippy. He was delighted to see one of his favourite dishes behind the counter and asked if he could also have 'some of that lovely guacamole.'
That mushy peas tale is still told across County Durham.
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The Referendum weather-god has arranged a second wave of rainy storms heading thru Sussex towards Kent and Essex as I write...RealBritain said:
Stormy, with strange and shifting interludes. Like the campaign up till now, and not obviously any kind of help to either side.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, Mr. Britain. The weather's been rather nice today, although one hopes it will not turn humid as the evening approaches.
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@nunu When I originally came off the fence, this is what I wrote:
"No, I've come decisively off the fence now on the Remain side. The EU is seriously dysfunctional and the proposed deal is pisspoor. The Eurocrats are mediocre, reactive and short-sighted and the EU is in need of major reform that it's not going to get.
But it is now abundantly apparent that the Leave side is going to be overwhelmingly dominated by people with no judgement and very different values from me, who regard other Europeans as the enemy and immigrants as vermin, and whatever the fallout of a Leave vote it would leave Britain poorer, spiritually if not economically, as such people gained the ascendancy in public debate."
I stand by that. It wasn't a choice between good and bad. It was the choice between two profoundly unappetising options.
To get my vote, Leave would have had to have had a realistic plan which acknowledged the downsides as well as the upsides and to have campaigned with integrity, civility and basic decency for a civil and decent post-Brexit Britain. I didn't so much select Remain as was driven into it by the antics of the Leave campaign and its supporters.
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Sorry it's a myth, but it's sooo believable.JennyFreeman said:My favourite Peter Mandelson story is the time he was taken to view his prospective constituency 'oop north.' To initiate their man of the people they took our Peter into a chippy. He was delighted to see one of his favourite dishes behind the counter and asked if he could also have 'some of that lovely guacamole.'
That mushy peas tale is still told across County Durham.
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My personal barometer "Pat" for turnout has voted.
It will be large.0
