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  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited June 2016
    Is it me or do all the BBC females bar Emily look like Davina McCall?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,380
    tyson said:

    Get i n Croatia

    Sumptuous.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    john_zims said:

    @foxinsoxuk

    'A proposal to let in Turkey without meeting all the criteria would be a very clear reason for veto, not even a controversial one.'


    There was no veto when several of the countries that joined the Euro failed to meet the basic requirements.

    When the French & Dutch rejected the EU constitution the EU just changed the name of the document.

    If Brussels want Turkey in the EU you know perfectly well they will find a way, whether that be watering down the conditions or finding a way around a possible veto.

    What I meant was that any country could use it as an excuse.

    Its not going to happen though, as Turkey is playing the same game. Turkey doesn't really want to join, just has to pretend so that the govt can keep Istanbul onside.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Jonathan

    'Farron should be on the stage. He could carry the entire LD vote. Both of them.'

    At a push.

  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Well Lord Sugar just outed himself as an utter shit
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,861
    There's a ComRes phone poll out tomorrow at 10pm
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,405
    edited June 2016
    Jobabob said:

    Anyone know the history between Ruth and Boris. Apparently she loathes him

    They have different tactics and agendas and visions for the Tory Party.

    Both are big tent Tories. Both want to expand the party beyond its stereotypical support. Both want to go about it a completely different way.

    This is probably due to their backgrounds and the political scene in which they operate. But each is anathema to the other.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Scott_P said:
    Those hands look more lizard than human.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,861
    Lord Sugar has just proven David Cameron's maxim about Twitter
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    Bloody hell, the cricket is exciting
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,918
    Chameleon said:

    Scott_P said:
    Those hands look more lizard than human.
    Two parrots?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,426
    Chameleon said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/745350912361762816

    Those hands look more lizard than human.
    :o conspiracy confirmed.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Well Lord Sugar just outed himself as an utter shit

    What happened?
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Scott_P said:
    Your future in reptilian claws. Hideous image.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,088
    SeanT said:

    BORIS WINS THE END BIT

    Easily.

    My wife's reaction to Boris - empty rhetoric. No substance.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,380

    Lord Sugar has just proven David Cameron's maxim about Twitter

    Isn't he a remainer ?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Boris delivered the knock out blow of the night at the end.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,861
    Chameleon said:

    Well Lord Sugar just outed himself as an utter shit

    What happened?
    https://twitter.com/Lord_Sugar/status/745351864762392576
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,046
    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    BORIS WINS THE END BIT

    Easily.

    Boris was made for end bits, far more than he is for the rest of the debates.

    Yep, Boris is not a debater.

  • geoffw said:

    Ruth no match for Boris.
    Sadiq no match for Gisela.
    Frances no match for Andrea.

    Thought it was a much closer debate than last time. Leave good on the economy, Remain suprisingly good on immigration. Leave perhaps slightly better on the last question.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,861
    Pulpstar said:

    Lord Sugar has just proven David Cameron's maxim about Twitter

    Isn't he a remainer ?
    Yup
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Chameleon said:

    Scott_P said:
    Those hands look more lizard than human.
    Ha! That's so Area 51
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @markchapman: Looking like #fra #eng #ger #esp and #ita all in same half of draw now #euro2016

    Wales 60/1...
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Chameleon said:

    Well Lord Sugar just outed himself as an utter shit

    What happened?
    Just seen it. That is very embarrassing. What a twat.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,738
    Final assessment.

    Stuart excellent in an understated, solid way.
    Davidson best performer by a country mile (great Boris closer notwithstanding), not everything she tried came off, but I get the hype now.
    Boris was Boris - he stumbled at times, was pushy and rude, funny and inspiring, he's not great in debates but he brings an element that is very useful.
    Leadsom - Dull and repetitious, but seemed calm and rational.
    Khan - not entirely without merit, but not stellar.
    Grady - She may be a brilliant woman. I wouldn't know, she's bloody awful as a speaker. Furtive, whiny and patronising. Other than that, a good effort (and she cannot help her voice).

    It matters not of course, each playing to their own side, and undecideds probably won't see any of it at all, hell Its the first one I've watched and I do care about politics, but nothing terminal for either side.
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Jonathan said:

    Farron should be on the stage. He could carry the entire LD vote. Both of them.

    Cruel. Very very cruel.

    But funny! :D
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,088
    Barnesian said:

    SeanT said:

    BORIS WINS THE END BIT

    Easily.

    My wife's reaction to Boris - empty rhetoric. No substance.
    She was shocked to learn that Davidson is a Tory. She would vote for her. Wow.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,426

    Chameleon said:

    Well Lord Sugar just outed himself as an utter shit

    What happened?
    https://twitter.com/Lord_Sugar/status/745351864762392576
    Always find it distasteful when people call others by names they themselves have chosen not to use (Gideon, for example).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,380

    Pulpstar said:

    Lord Sugar has just proven David Cameron's maxim about Twitter

    Isn't he a remainer ?
    Yup
    Just seen it, lamentable tw@tter car crash.
  • BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113

    Anecdote: I saw a WWC neighbour in ex-local authority house near me has taken down his England flag today from his flagpole, and put up an EU flag instead. Drove past it on the way home.

    Terrible omen. Feel sick.

    The guy owns an EU flag??! Mentalist.
    Did think about getting one. Didn't want turds posted through the door. Shy Remainer.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,426
    Scott_P said:

    @markchapman: Looking like #fra #eng #ger #esp and #ita all in same half of draw now #euro2016

    Wales 60/1...

    Hellish group for us.
  • RealBritainRealBritain Posts: 255
    I find Gisela Stuart very odd. Curious manner, or it could be cultural misunderstanding of her german manner.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Gove backtracking on the BNP cash
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    Barnesian said:



    You are of course correct that Turkey is not currently heading in a European direction.

    "In our lifetime" is a bit extreme - depends how soon you are planning to die, I suppose, but Bulgaria and Romania came into the EU despite many failings and naysayers saying that it would take decades given their corruption and poor legal and democratic structures. ...

    Given a change in electoral direction, and 10 years of Post-Erdoganism, it's hardly inconceivable that Turkey could join the EU.

    If EU types want us to believe that Turkey is a non-issue, they should quit saying how much they support Turkish membership in the long run, and quit their silly pretences of progressing accession negotiations in exchange for Turkish cooperation over e.g. the migrant crisis. (Frankly I'd much rather the EU stood up for the democracy and human rights its supporters claim are oh so special to them, and tell Erdogan he's being a dictatorial little **** and accession is shelved until he sorts out his treatment of journalists, political opponents and ethnic minorities. But fat chance of that.)

    I'm quite old so 20 years max.

    I very much agree with your last para.

    Cheers. Yes, from your perspective it may well be a non-issue in your lifetime. I'm not physically in tip-top condition but I do rather hope to live long enough for it to be an issue :-)

    To be honest I'm not fussed in particular whether Turkey joins the EU or not. But if it causes the Remain side grief, that's all they deserve for both senior Lab and Con figures for the past goodness-knows-how-many years doing the two-faced "Of course we support Turkish accession!/Of course the Turks aren't going to join, it's a non-issue, anyway don't forget we have a veto and know how to use it!" depending on who their audience is. Doubly so for the failure to stand up to Erdogan as he tests what he can get away with. If Turkish accession is genuinely not in prospect, why not cancel the negotiations for it? If you won't do that, why should we trust that you (or in fact, your successor two or three times removed) is going to make any use of this veto you keep vaunting?

    If Remain types are upset that "Leave's lies about Turkey" are costing them votes among the shallow-minded numbskull section of the electorate, I won't be crying for them in sympathy. They have a deeply pro-remain PM who could have neutralised the issue for good, and an EU functionocracy whose grand warblings about human rights would have looked far more impressive if they'd had the moral courage, years ago, to neutralise it for him.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,687
    Well-staged Boris finale which will have helped Leave with those who stuck it out to the end. I think Leave edged it, but whether by enough, who knows?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Pulpstar said:

    Lord Sugar has just proven David Cameron's maxim about Twitter

    Isn't he a remainer ?
    Yup
    Cameron was so right about Twitter.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    Turkey 2-0. Think NI through?
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Leadsom grinning as smugly as Osborne on a bad day.

    F*cks like you are the reason we are here. If you had allowed a vote on the EU Constitution we would have stalled EU integration, and we wouldn't be faced with this hideous binary decision.

    Do you now realise this?
    You actually like this referendum and wish we'd had it sooner? There speaks a torture porn author.
    The referendum has been awful, but we need to have this debate - clearly 50% of people want to leave, what good comes from ignoring that rather than taking it on?
    The referendum has been awful because of the people making the case. The 1975 one was, I am told, much more civilised.
    Well, older people always say that, don't they? :)
    The thing that makes this debate toxic isn't that the sides disagree or indeed that they have different views of what the evidence is, it is the "you're an ignorant B'stard" "You're a complete racist" argument. It isn't grown up or pleasant. It need not be like that.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Match tied!
  • RealBritainRealBritain Posts: 255
    Scott_P said:

    Gove backtracking on the BNP cash

    Unsurprising ; and also unsurprising as the source of the cash, given his campaign.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,861
    Amazing finish in the cricket.

    Yorkshire's Liam Plunkett saves England's bacon
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    SeanT said:

    BORIS WINS THE END BIT

    Easily.

    My wife's reaction to Boris - empty rhetoric. No substance.
    She was shocked to learn that Davidson is a Tory. She would vote for her. Wow.
    Ruth is the most unlikely Tory I think in the history of Tories. She is an absolute belter. She carries integrity, humour, down to earthiness, excellent communication, a good voice, and credibility in spades.
    Scotland produces some bloody good female politicians.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Scott_P said:

    @markchapman: Looking like #fra #eng #ger #esp and #ita all in same half of draw now #euro2016

    Wales 60/1...

    Wow, biggest five sides all the the same half of the draw. Someone's going to be very disappointed to go home early.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,135

    I find Gisela Stuart very odd. Curious manner, or it could be cultural misunderstanding of her german manner.

    Her anti-EU convictions seem a bit too visceral given her background.
  • El_DaveEl_Dave Posts: 145
    kle4 said:

    Final assessment.

    Stuart excellent in an understated, solid way.
    Davidson best performer by a country mile (great Boris closer notwithstanding), not everything she tried came off, but I get the hype now.
    Boris was Boris - he stumbled at times, was pushy and rude, funny and inspiring, he's not great in debates but he brings an element that is very useful.
    Leadsom - Dull and repetitious, but seemed calm and rational.
    Khan - not entirely without merit, but not stellar.
    Grady - She may be a brilliant woman. I wouldn't know, she's bloody awful as a speaker. Furtive, whiny and patronising. Other than that, a good effort (and she cannot help her voice).

    It matters not of course, each playing to their own side, and undecideds probably won't see any of it at all, hell Its the first one I've watched and I do care about politics, but nothing terminal for either side.

    I thought the basic format was broken, with the debate being put on pause so they could have another mini-debate about the debate, during the debate.

    Odd.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,285
    A tie!! Incredible.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @markchapman: Looking like #fra #eng #ger #esp and #ita all in same half of draw now #euro2016

    Wales 60/1...

    Wow, biggest five sides all the the same half of the draw. Someone's going to be very disappointed to go home early.
    Eng no doubt, we're used to it!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    I find Gisela Stuart very odd. Curious manner, or it could be cultural misunderstanding of her german manner.

    I love her accent/voice.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,426
    welshowl said:

    Turkey 2-0. Think NI through?

    Feels a bit naughty that 3/16 countries through are British nations... :D
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Anti-immigrant Remainers piping up.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Someone asked why Hannan is not up there. I think it may be down to his NHS comments on Fox News a few years ago. A massive weakness which would be badly exposed.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,861
    Norn Iron qualify for the last 16
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @markchapman: Looking like #fra #eng #ger #esp and #ita all in same half of draw now #euro2016

    Wales 60/1...

    Hellish group for us.
    Doesn't change much for us from last night. Spain play Italy next round so one of them goes out (but yes I would have preferred to be in the other half!)
  • RealBritainRealBritain Posts: 255

    I find Gisela Stuart very odd. Curious manner, or it could be cultural misunderstanding of her german manner.

    Her anti-EU convictions seem a bit too visceral given her background.
    Yes, something odd there, I think also.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,012

    I have just had an email from the Labour party (i paid 3 quid to vote for Jez) reminding me there is an election on Thursday.
    It says the election is important. It allows me help to find my polling station and suggests I make a plan for when I vote.
    NO WHERE does it suggest I vote Remain.

    Blimey! I've just reread my copy of that - no mention at all of how to vote! Go Labour! There is hope for us yet!

    Also says that (a) the party knows a significant number of supporters are for leave and (b) we are planning to all still be mates afterwards
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Not a gamechanger. We all heard our own side more than the other one. On that basis, good for Leave.

    Some muppet called the referendum during the footie... Who knows who was watching.
  • Whoa. 6 to tie!!!!!
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Barnesian said:

    SeanT said:

    BORIS WINS THE END BIT

    Easily.

    My wife's reaction to Boris - empty rhetoric. No substance.
    Yep. I think he'd be just about the worst person I can imagine being chained to if I were kidnapped: knocks Terry Waite into a cocked hat.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812
    edited June 2016
    Scott_P said:

    Gove backtracking on the BNP cash

    He is a Grade One Shit. If he ends up DPM I think a post-Remain Cons govt will be diminished to allow such a toerag into Cabinet.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    WWhat a finish in the cricket!!!!!
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    RobD said:

    welshowl said:

    Turkey 2-0. Think NI through?

    Feels a bit naughty that 3/16 countries through are British nations... :D
    Bringing our own opposition along in a self sufficient policy.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    GIN1138 said:

    Ovation for Boris! :open_mouth:

    He could change the course of history just on the basis of a career calculation.
    It has been done before in the UK more than once. See Henry VI for example. Henry VIII is probably the biggest example of career (or at least dynastic, which to him were probably the same thing) ambition that changed the course of English history. I am sure you can think of others there are lots of them running down to modern times.

    Mind you, I have offered Mr. Observer a bet that Boris Johnson will not be PM.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    alex. said:

    Match tied!

    Wow, that will make the bookies happy. Dead heat rules?
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    RobD said:

    Chameleon said:

    Well Lord Sugar just outed himself as an utter shit

    What happened?
    https://twitter.com/Lord_Sugar/status/745351864762392576
    Always find it distasteful when people call others by names they themselves have chosen not to use (Gideon, for example).
    What an utter tool Sugar is.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,285
    I am a convinced Leaver but Chuka is as good as Labour has. By a distance.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,687
    SeanT said:

    Barnesian said:

    SeanT said:

    BORIS WINS THE END BIT

    Easily.

    My wife's reaction to Boris - empty rhetoric. No substance.
    "My wife", "My chauffeur", "My catamite", "My little minnow in the swimming pool of my Capraian villa".

    lol
    You drunk?
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @markchapman: Looking like #fra #eng #ger #esp and #ita all in same half of draw now #euro2016

    Wales 60/1...

    Wow, biggest five sides all the the same half of the draw. Someone's going to be very disappointed to go home early.
    Football punting isn't my speciality, but...

    Presumably that indicates some EW value on the outsiders in the other half of the tournament?

    Bookies still offering 1/2
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    DavidL said:

    I am a convinced Leaver but Chuka is as good as Labour has. By a distance.

    That might well be true....poor labour!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812

    I find Gisela Stuart very odd. Curious manner, or it could be cultural misunderstanding of her german manner.

    Her anti-EU convictions seem a bit too visceral given her background.
    ex-smoker syndrome
  • El_DaveEl_Dave Posts: 145
    edited June 2016

    I find Gisela Stuart very odd. Curious manner, or it could be cultural misunderstanding of her german manner.

    Her anti-EU convictions seem a bit too visceral given her background.
    She spent 15 months in Brussels negotiating the EU Constitution on behalf of HMG. She said that experience changed her view on the EU.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,817
    TOPPING said:

    Scott_P said:

    Gove backtracking on the BNP cash

    He is a Grade One Shit. If he ends up DPM I think a post-Remain Cons govt will be diminished to allow such a toerag into Cabinet.
    hey lots of Tories think that abot Cameron and Osborne

    #onebighappyfamily
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,020
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Lord Sugar has just proven David Cameron's maxim about Twitter

    Isn't he a remainer ?
    Yup
    Just seen it, lamentable tw@tter car crash.
    No. Sugar was just being post-modern, using the familiar verbal tics of Leavers against one of their own to draw attention to said tics.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,426

    SeanT said:

    Barnesian said:

    SeanT said:

    BORIS WINS THE END BIT

    Easily.

    My wife's reaction to Boris - empty rhetoric. No substance.
    "My wife", "My chauffeur", "My catamite", "My little minnow in the swimming pool of my Capraian villa".

    lol
    You drunk?
    What better time to peruse PB?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    Wow- what an end to the cricket
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812
    SeanT said:

    Barnesian said:

    SeanT said:

    BORIS WINS THE END BIT

    Easily.

    My wife's reaction to Boris - empty rhetoric. No substance.
    "My wife", "My chauffeur", "My catamite", "My little minnow in the swimming pool of my Capraian villa".

    lol
    Does it hurt that Tony Parsons was up there and not you?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Boris got THE soundbite. Ruth was an impressive debater. FWIW I found the Labour speakers reached me most of all unsurprisingly.

    The biggest losers were the MPs that didn't take part.
  • Toms said:

    Barnesian said:

    SeanT said:

    BORIS WINS THE END BIT

    Easily.

    My wife's reaction to Boris - empty rhetoric. No substance.
    Yep. I think he'd be just about the worst person I can imagine being chained to if I were kidnapped: knocks Terry Waite into a cocked hat.
    I'd choose Liz Hurley to be chained to.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,818

    I have just had an email from the Labour party (i paid 3 quid to vote for Jez) reminding me there is an election on Thursday.
    It says the election is important. It allows me help to find my polling station and suggests I make a plan for when I vote.
    NO WHERE does it suggest I vote Remain.

    Blimey! I've just reread my copy of that - no mention at all of how to vote! Go Labour! There is hope for us yet!

    Also says that (a) the party knows a significant number of supporters are for leave and (b) we are planning to all still be mates afterwards
    If that isn't a nod for Labour to vote Leave then I don't know what is!
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Labour's great Black hope raving on about the BNP...
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    Lord Sugar has just proven David Cameron's maxim about Twitter

    Go on, do tell... Got a link?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,818
    RobD said:

    welshowl said:

    Turkey 2-0. Think NI through?

    Feels a bit naughty that 3/16 countries through are British nations... :D
    We're learning from Eurovision!

    Where are Scotland? Oh.....
  • El_DaveEl_Dave Posts: 145
    edited June 2016

    I find Gisela Stuart very odd. Curious manner, or it could be cultural misunderstanding of her german manner.

    I thought that after the 1st debate, but the next day I was leafleting (for Leave) on a local council estate, and the people I spoke to thought she was great.

  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795

    I have just had an email from the Labour party (i paid 3 quid to vote for Jez) reminding me there is an election on Thursday.
    It says the election is important. It allows me help to find my polling station and suggests I make a plan for when I vote.
    NO WHERE does it suggest I vote Remain.

    Blimey! I've just reread my copy of that - no mention at all of how to vote! Go Labour! There is hope for us yet!

    Also says that (a) the party knows a significant number of supporters are for leave and (b) we are planning to all still be mates afterwards
    If that isn't a nod for Labour to vote Leave then I don't know what is!
    Corbyn really is an closet outer isnt he.... Thats amazing
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    Toms said:

    Barnesian said:

    SeanT said:

    BORIS WINS THE END BIT

    Easily.

    My wife's reaction to Boris - empty rhetoric. No substance.
    Yep. I think he'd be just about the worst person I can imagine being chained to if I were kidnapped: knocks Terry Waite into a cocked hat.
    I'd choose Liz Hurley to be chained to.
    Very good, as long as you're not out of arm's length. Anyway, I don't suppose one has much choice when he's kidnapped.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tnewtondunn: Pretty massive impromptu dust up ongoing now in #BBCDebate spin room between Michael Gove and Will Straw. https://t.co/W9Uh3LIeYH
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,687
    RobD said:

    Chameleon said:

    Well Lord Sugar just outed himself as an utter shit

    What happened?
    https://twitter.com/Lord_Sugar/status/745351864762392576
    Always find it distasteful when people call others by names they themselves have chosen not to use (Gideon, for example).
    Agreed. Unpleasant tweet - hell, she's been here for 40 years (more than some of us English-born folks).
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    DavidL said:

    I am a convinced Leaver but Chuka is as good as Labour has. By a distance.

    I find him far too metrosexual smooth and he reeks of money. I can't connect with him at all.
  • Living in Scotland we know what a performer Ruth Davidson is. I hope whatever the side of the referendum you're on you can see that she is formidable. A real life back story, served in the forces, articulate. One to watch
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Pong said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:

    @markchapman: Looking like #fra #eng #ger #esp and #ita all in same half of draw now #euro2016

    Wales 60/1...

    Wow, biggest five sides all the the same half of the draw. Someone's going to be very disappointed to go home early.
    Football punting isn't my speciality, but...

    Presumably that indicates some EW value on the outsiders in the other half of the tournament?

    Bookies still offering 1/2
    It would make sense. One team from the "other" side of the draw will definitely make the final, and at least four of the big five sides won't. I'm not betting on this either, but might take a look if I get a payout on Friday.
  • RealBritainRealBritain Posts: 255
    El_Dave said:

    I find Gisela Stuart very odd. Curious manner, or it could be cultural misunderstanding of her german manner.

    Her anti-EU convictions seem a bit too visceral given her background.
    She spent 15 months in Brussels negotiating the EU Constitution on behalf of HMG. She said that experience changed her view on the EU.
    She seems to be in some sort of cultural conflict. May account for her oddly detached but almost simultaneously overemotional manner, I think. Odd.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,285

    DavidL said:

    I am a convinced Leaver but Chuka is as good as Labour has. By a distance.

    That might well be true....poor labour!
    Yeah, its a low bar but he has a brain, is articulate, can think on his feet. That is enough these days, it really is.

    The days of Denis Heally and serious Labour people are long gone.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,979

    Lord Sugar has just proven David Cameron's maxim about Twitter

    Go on, do tell... Got a link?
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  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    So Khan got THE soundbite after all.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,478

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Leadsom grinning as smugly as Osborne on a bad day.

    F*cks like you are the reason we are here. If you had allowed a vote on the EU Constitution we would have stalled EU integration, and we wouldn't be faced with this hideous binary decision.

    Do you now realise this?
    You actually like this referendum and wish we'd had it sooner? There speaks a torture porn author.
    The referendum has been awful, but we need to have this debate - clearly 50% of people want to leave, what good comes from ignoring that rather than taking it on?
    The referendum has been awful because of the people making the case. The 1975 one was, I am told, much more civilised.

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Leadsom grinning as smugly as Osborne on a bad day.

    F*cks like you are the reason we are here. If you had allowed a vote on the EU Constitution we would have stalled EU integration, and we wouldn't be faced with this hideous binary decision.

    Do you now realise this?
    You actually like this referendum and wish we'd had it sooner? There speaks a torture porn author.
    The referendum has been awful, but we need to have this debate - clearly 50% of people want to leave, what good comes from ignoring that rather than taking it on?
    The referendum has been awful because of the people making the case. The 1975 one was, I am told, much more civilised.
    We believed what politicians told us then.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Jonathan said:

    So Khan got THE soundbite after all.

    From a helpful BBC sure
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,812
    Jonathan said:

    So Khan got THE soundbite after all.

    And it is absolutely on the money.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: Pretty massive impromptu dust up ongoing now in #BBCDebate spin room between Michael Gove and Will Straw. https://t.co/W9Uh3LIeYH

    Gove really does master the "punch me" expression, doesn't he?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,579

    Living in Scotland we know what a performer Ruth Davidson is. I hope whatever the side of the referendum you're on you can see that she is formidable. A real life back story, served in the forces, articulate. One to watch

    I agree. It's unlikely that I'll ever vote for her now, though.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Sell Leadsom

    @krishgm: Funny seeing who gets the praise. Ruth Davidson and Sadiq Khan vying for Remain award. Boris undisputed champion of Leave. #BBCDebate
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    PlatoSaid said:

    DavidL said:

    I am a convinced Leaver but Chuka is as good as Labour has. By a distance.

    I find him far too metrosexual smooth and he reeks of money. I can't connect with him at all.
    He's an empty Saville Row suit, a black Tony Blair but without the charisma.
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