Someone just hit the 'fire up Khan' button, but Stuart shot it down easily. She's been a revelation for me.
Tbf 'fired-up Khan' has similar properties to the Hindenburg. (Impressive at first sight, but is easily transformed into a flaming wreck, harming all it is supposed to support.)
In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.
In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?
I'm really standing by the Turkey issue - until and unless the British government stop supporting Turkish entry, it says the British government want Turkey in the EU.
A country has to adopt and enforce all the current EU rules before it can be admitted to the bloc. EU rules are divided into 35 policy areas and in 10 years Turkey only managed to adopt the rules on one: science and research. In most other areas it has not even made a start.
Even more argument not to support their entry.
Quite. Turkey is moving away from EU conditions not towards them. There is no question Turkey joining the EU in our lifetime. It is a non-issue but promoted by the Leave side as a frightener.
You are of course correct that Turkey is not currently heading in a European direction.
"In our lifetime" is a bit extreme - depends how soon you are planning to die, I suppose, but Bulgaria and Romania came into the EU despite many failings and naysayers saying that it would take decades given their corruption and poor legal and democratic structures. Heck, there were 15 years between the fall of the Berlin Wall and communist rule over East Europe, and Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia joining the EU. There is a similar timeframe between the Spanish Francoists, the Portuguese Estado Novo and the Greek colonels, and those countries joining the EEC.
Given a change in electoral direction, and 10 years of Post-Erdoganism, it's hardly inconceivable that Turkey could join the EU.
If EU types want us to believe that Turkey is a non-issue, they should quit saying how much they support Turkish membership in the long run, and quit their silly pretences of progressing accession negotiations in exchange for Turkish cooperation over e.g. the migrant crisis. (Frankly I'd much rather the EU stood up for the democracy and human rights its supporters claim are oh so special to them, and tell Erdogan he's being a dictatorial little **** and accession is shelved until he sorts out his treatment of journalists, political opponents and ethnic minorities. But fat chance of that.)
Leadsom grinning as smugly as Osborne on a bad day.
F*cks like you are the reason we are here. If you had allowed a vote on the EU Constitution we would have stalled EU integration, and we wouldn't be faced with this hideous binary decision.
Do you now realise this?
You actually like this referendum and wish we'd had it sooner? There speaks a torture porn author.
The referendum has been awful, but we need to have this debate - clearly 50% of people want to leave, what good comes from ignoring that rather than taking it on?
The referendum has been awful because of the people making the case. The 1975 one was, I am told, much more civilised.
In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.
In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?
A good question - if they are, they don't show it. Fouls, goals, anything, they never spot it.
Boris just isn't very good. He's going to be a dreadful Prime Minister.
Would you care for a modest wager, Mr. Observer? Not on whether he will be a dreadful prime minister, but that he will ever be prime minister. A bottle of something nice or a few tenners to the winner's favourite charity, nothing excessive. What say you?
Think the Leave side has now overused the Take back control meme - they're using it robotically in almost very round and the audience is starting to giggle.
Yup, I expect that they're hoping that TBC is rattling round people's heads as they enter the booth.
I think you're right that that's the intention.
Boris seems a bit quiet!
Boris and Khan both seem measured and not overly anxious to take over, even though they are undoubtedly the A listers, and know it.
In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.
In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?
A good question - if they are, they don't show it. Fouls, goals, anything, they never spot it.
Hopefully they're not Prem linos, they're laughably bad.
In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.
In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?
A good question - if they are, they don't show it. Fouls, goals, anything, they never spot it.
The extra goal line officials are indeed referees. And yes, they are next to useless. Someone needs to tell UEFA that Platini has gone and is never coming back.
Most voters watching the footie - Remain and Leave. Great finish in the group. If Croatia win it's Spain vs Italy in the last 16, and if Turkey fail to score twice more, NI are through......
In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.
In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?
A good question - if they are, they don't show it. Fouls, goals, anything, they never spot it.
I think they just communicate with the ref over the headsets. The stick they hold is AIUI a buzzer to get the ref's attention.
Leadsom grinning as smugly as Osborne on a bad day.
F*cks like you are the reason we are here. If you had allowed a vote on the EU Constitution we would have stalled EU integration, and we wouldn't be faced with this hideous binary decision.
Do you now realise this?
You actually like this referendum and wish we'd had it sooner? There speaks a torture porn author.
The referendum has been awful, but we need to have this debate - clearly 50% of people want to leave, what good comes from ignoring that rather than taking it on?
The referendum has been awful because of the people making the case. The 1975 one was, I am told, much more civilised.
'A proposal to let in Turkey without meeting all the criteria would be a very clear reason for veto, not even a controversial one.'
There was no veto when several of the countries that joined the Euro failed to meet the basic requirements.
When the French & Dutch rejected the EU constitution the EU just changed the name of the document.
If Brussels want Turkey in the EU you know perfectly well they will find a way, whether that be watering down the conditions or finding a way around a possible veto.
Because the Tories turned it into a vote on whether London was racist or not.
As I said all along, if they'd refrained from that tactic, and just made Sadiq rely on his (questionable) political talents of his own, the Tories may have done rather better.
In football, what is the point of those extra refs on the goalline? They never spot anything that happens.
In England vs Australia I note Nigel Owens was being used on the touchline (rugby) - obviously he is a top notch referee. Are the officials behind the goal line in the football actually proper referees to the same standard as the ref ?
Because the Tories turned it into a vote on whether London was racist or not.
As I said all along, if they'd refrained from that tactic, and just made Sadiq rely on his (questionable) political talents of his own, the Tories may have done rather better.
Not with Zac. He lost it for me when in the Standard's "My London" he said his local Londis was his favourite shop.
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Didn't know Ruth is ex-HMF.
'Boris just isn't very good. He's going to be a dreadful Prime Minister.'
That's your partisan view.
The Five Presidents' Report excludes non-eurozone members.
I mean if that is what Leave is pushing, and what the Leave fans believe, well good luck to them.
Leave have the best overall squad, Leadsom's ok and Boris has moments of brilliance, but Davidson and Stuart are leagues above them tonight.
I very much agree with your last para.
It's much more difficult if you have to tell the truth.
Debate on the telly, cricket on the iPad and footy on the iPhone
Ruth and Gisela are very good.
Why isn't @SeanT on there if they have him on?
Most voters watching the footie - Remain and Leave. Great finish in the group. If Croatia win it's Spain vs Italy in the last 16, and if Turkey fail to score twice more, NI are through......
'A proposal to let in Turkey without meeting all the criteria would be a very clear reason for veto, not even a controversial one.'
There was no veto when several of the countries that joined the Euro failed to meet the basic requirements.
When the French & Dutch rejected the EU constitution the EU just changed the name of the document.
If Brussels want Turkey in the EU you know perfectly well they will find a way, whether that be watering down the conditions or finding a way around a possible veto.
cobblers.
As I said all along, if they'd refrained from that tactic, and just made Sadiq rely on his (questionable) political talents of his own, the Tories may have done rather better.
Sadiq no match for Gisela.
Frances no match for Andrea.
http://www.uefa.org/protecting-the-game/refereeing/news/newsid=2338168.html
Croatia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After Thursday can we ditch Dimblebore?