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  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,010

    I was talking to someone who has put their house on the market today. They were shocked at the valuation and wouldn't mind it going down so younger people can afford houses,bBut that's just selfish Tories for you.

    They can, of course, set the price at whatever they wish. They don't have to sell at the valuation level.

  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,183
    MontyHall said:

    A working class northern Labour voter is shown three doors. Behind one is a restriction on immigration, behind the other two are City bankers warning about the stock market crashing.

    He picks door one, the host opens door two to reveal a wide boy Southern softie crying because his bonus is down 20% this year.

    Does he switch?

    Paging Scott...
  • ThrakThrak Posts: 494

    Wanting to be able to afford a home is not greed. Under your logic anyone who does not want cheap housing is also greedy and vile because they too are "Wanting to profit from creating conditions that hurt others just for their own profit".
    Sorry but there's a difference, You work hard then you buy what you can afford, this sort of freeloader attitude is typical of the old socialist view, looking down on hard working people who scrimp and save.

  • timmo said:

    Does that hold true for remain supporters as well like you?
    REMAIN are those striding princes that the infamous Sion Simon wrote about.
    "The young princes who now stride the parade ground with the confidence born of aristocratic schooling can never be afraid. " "But now is the light headed dance, the fretful mazurka, of an army that knows it can never arrive."
  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited June 2016

    Leave will still win handsomely. The plummeting stock market won't make much difference: too many people for a variety of reasons are prepared to go for Leave and just see what happens. Nevertheless, I've certainly detected a sudden chill in the air.

    Oh for heavens sake. Ive just looked at BbC news and Sky online. Both main pages nothung about it.

    2% off the stock market is nothing unusual, there were far greater falls during chinas difficulties last summer almost every other day.

    Anyone prepared to cede contdol of their country for fear of a few points off the stockmarket which will probably climb bwck by the week after next needs their head examined. The people of the UK are not stupid.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,097
    Charles said:

    Sure but sharing with Goldman analysts doesn't count as they are always in the office not the flat
    LOL! You are absolutely right :lol:

    One of my flatmates was a Swedish guy who was an FA (financial analyst) in corporate finance at Goldman. I swear he never managed to spend more than about 30 hours in the flat in a week, he'd pull 18 hour days almost every day.

    My other flatmate worked as a computer programmer, earned twice we what both did, and managed to spend more time in the pub that Andreas spent in the flat.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,803
    MORI will be released on Thursday not tomorrow

    https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/742719971600535552
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,317
    MontyHall said:

    A working class northern Labour voter is shown three doors. Behind one is a restriction on immigration, behind the other two are City bankers warning about the stock market crashing.

    He picks door one, the host opens door two to reveal a wide boy Southern softie crying because his bonus is down 20% this year.

    Does he switch?

    Let's hope this isn't the start of a new phase of novelty accounts.... :p
  • tim80tim80 Posts: 99
    Funny how Remainers like Tyson pretend the be following the exconomists while actually misrepresenting them. Very few have said there will be a "huge" shock the economy (Tyson's words) and none have said it will "wreck" or "trash" the economy (George Osborne et al.)

    It is true most have said that the economy will be better off under Remain than Leave (based on dubious models which exclude the possibility that the eurozone goes wrong but that's another matter)

    If people want to quote economists they should go the actual reports and quite the magnitude of effect that the likes of Oxford Economics state. When they do so, they may understand why it is Remain's campaign which is actually a travesty of expert opinion.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited June 2016
    timmo said:

    Does that hold true for remain supporters as well like you?
    Of course!

    People here are geeks interested in statistics, probability, railways, military history and occasionally politics. We are a pretty unrepresentative bunch of wierdos.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,442
    GIN1138 said:

    MORI will be released on Thursday not tomorrow

    https://twitter.com/benatipsosmori/status/742719971600535552

    Oh Gawd, that means we've got two phone polls coming out around the time of the England v Wales match.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    24th June is ten days before 4th July which is ten days before the 14th July.

    The sort of thing that might matter to a few fanatics.
  • To be honest, I think Corbyn has played this right. He doesn't think membership of the EU is a big deal.
    Cameron has dug the most enormous booby-trapped hole for himself, and fallen in.
    Why should Corbyn go and haul him out ?
    Agreed.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    I am sure his message will be resonating around the dining clubs of Burslem, Longton, Fenton, Hanley etc this evening...
    Isabel Oakeshott tweeting 'rumour' that Tom Watson claims the postal votes in northern towns are a horror show for Remain.

    Its the 2016 Holyrood 'SLab to the slaughter experience', if true.

    Dint forget Tunstall and stoke itself! You did remember Fenton which is better than Arnold Bennett though!
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,183

    Of course!

    People here are geeks interested in statistics, probability, railways, military history and occasionally politics. We are a pretty unrepresentative bunch of wierdos.
    Hear, hear.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,097
    edited June 2016
    Charles said:

    Sadly my wife made me choose between Mosimann's and Boodle's despite my argument that they served different purposes.

    Which did you choose?
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    edited June 2016
    Jobabob said:

    Benedict

    They are welcome to sell it for less if they wish.

    And I don't understand the selfish Tories reference.

    Why would they sell for less when the house they are buying is at an inflated market price?

    If they were down across the board, they would be happy.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,376
    Mr Cole,

    Que sera sera.

    Accusing others of being nasty is an easy way out, but it is never a good look. The bitterness of some Remainers (not you) is showing already, and yet it's all to play for. I suspect Remain will gain in the last couple of days owing to people's natural inclination for what they believe will be the status quo.

    I retain hopes that Mr Hyde (Mr Meeks) will revert to Dr Jekyll come June 24th, whatever the result.

    Despite Dave's rhetoric, the result won't be Armageddon whichever way it goes.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,183
    RobD said:

    Let's hope this isn't the start of a new phase of novelty accounts.... :p
    I hope someone becomes Sanctimonious Bilge
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Any evidence for that bullshit?
    Well if you disagree and think there are plenty of xenophobic immigrant haters on here I will bow to your knowledge
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,975
    edited June 2016

    Of course!

    People here are geeks interested in statistics, probability, railways, military history and occasionally politics. We are a pretty unrepresentative bunch of wierdos.

    Weirdos

    (you missed out pedants)
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022

    Oh Gawd, that means we've got two phone polls coming out around the time of the England v Wales match.
    That'll give the Scots something to get excited about.
  • Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
    No more published ICM polls. Last night's will be the last. Wonder if a private deal's been done. There's a lot city money flushing about
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,317
    viewcode said:

    Weirdos

    (you missed out pedants)
    Isn't that what makes PB great? :D
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,160
    hunchman said:

    Isabel Oakeshott tweeting 'rumour' that Tom Watson claims the postal votes in northern towns are a horror show for Remain.

    Its the 2016 Holyrood 'SLab to the slaughter experience', if true.
    Dint forget Tunstall and stoke itself! You did remember Fenton which is better than Arnold Bennett though!

    Didnt forget them...suggesting a dining club in Tunstall is stretching believability.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238

    24th June is ten days before 4th July which is ten days before the 14th July.

    The sort of thing that might matter to a few fanatics.

    I like observations like that.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,504

    24th June is ten days before 4th July which is ten days before the 14th July.

    The sort of thing that might matter to a few fanatics.

    Con Air!

    http://tinyurl.com/lt7bbvs
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    Que sera sera.

    Accusing others of being nasty is an easy way out, but it is never a good look. The bitterness of some Remainers (not you) is showing already, and yet it's all to play for. I suspect Remain will gain in the last couple of days owing to people's natural inclination for what they believe will be the status quo.

    I retain hopes that Mr Hyde (Mr Meeks) will revert to Dr Jekyll come June 24th, whatever the result.

    Despite Dave's rhetoric, the result won't be Armageddon whichever way it goes.

    Remain must still be favourite to win, even now. Remainers should stiffen their upper lips and look toward brighter days. We're just enjoying our moment in the sun, soon to be as one with the Cybernats of yesteryear.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,010

    Why would they sell for less when the house they are buying is at an inflated market price?

    If they were down across the board, they would be happy.

    Because then they don't lose out. So they're actually not that interested in helping anyone. Fair enough, but hardly glowing examples of anything.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Which did you choose?
    Boodle's. Much easier to get back into Mosi's when my negotiating power increases...
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
    No more published ICM polls. Last night's will be the last. Wonder if a private deal's been done. There's a lot city money flushing about

    Less money after today's armageddon.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    SeanT said:

    Has Richard Nabavi actually gone into meltdown? I picture him gently smouldering in a corner, and saying "wibble" and "near perfect chancellor", as he hugs a gonk.

    It will be very amusing if Brexit happens, Cameron and Osborne stay in power and preside over a resurgent economy.

    Some posters here will short circuit.

  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    A Leaver's anthem

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWBrWhrKchQ

    This is from an album of WWI songs
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,975

    I was talking to someone who has put their house on the market today. They were shocked at the valuation and wouldn't mind it going down so younger people can afford houses,...

    And then they put the house on the market at the valuation plus £10K... :)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,624
    Charles said:

    Boodle's. Much easier to get back into Mosi's when my negotiating power increases...
    I've been there a couple of times. Decent grub.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,097
    Charles said:

    Boodle's. Much easier to get back into Mosi's when my negotiating power increases...
    Yes, getting into Mossiman's for dinner isn't so hard, even for non members like me.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Well if you disagree and think there are plenty of xenophobic immigrant haters on here I will bow to your knowledge
    No I disagree that the 'typical Leave supporter or voter in the country as a whole' is a "xenophobic immigrant hater". You have evidence for that bullshit?
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121

    Extremely stupid to make any 'guarantee'.
    I don't think stupidity and leave are mutually incompatible....

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,010
    philiph said:

    No. You are on the side of the elite that have stuffed the poor across a continent. That have enriched themselves to an obscene extent by forming protected cliques of power and influence. I don't give a fig about Turkey.

    You are on the side of the oppressor, those that will squeeze the last dime out of the poor, drive wages down and prices up.

    The NHS isn't a disaster now? Brexit will not have a noticeable effect on it. Your faith in the vested interest is brave, in the Sir Humphry sense.

    Yeah, right. Right wing Tories who have squeezed the poorest and most vulnerable, cut their services, increased their transport costs and overseen a drop in their standards of living will now ride to their rescue. Of course :-D

  • midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112
    Floater said:


    Surely a house is first a home?

    The laws of supply and demand will still apply.

    House prices are too high, or do you think otherwise?

    It might have escaped your notice there may have been other periods of time where negative equity occurred.

    I had 2 friends badly affected - it may amaze people to learn that they kept their houses and they survived.

    But this is only about project fear isn't it.

    Give me positive reasons to stay.

    It is amazing how those saying leavers are heartless and don't care about people but at the same time just ignore the life destroying mistakes made by the EU.
    My comment had nothing to do with finding reasons to stay. I don't like the EU either. I do however like David Cameron. He is an election winner and has kept Labour out of power for several years. I am thus going to vote Remain as I wish to be loyal to him. I also dislike a lot of the right wing of the Tory party. So far so good?

    If you had read the full exchange rather than picking out one random comment you would see that I was unhappy that somebodys genuine concerns were being addressed in what most people would consider to be an extremely heartless and patronising way. And so i said so.

    I'm pleased your friends kept their homes. Genuinely. Not sure why it should have escaped my notice that there have been other periods of negative equity. Not sure that makes it a good thing though?

    Presumably if the laws of supply and demand apply that's why prices are what they are?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Thrak said:

    Sorry but there's a difference, You work hard then you buy what you can afford, this sort of freeloader attitude is typical of the old socialist view, looking down on hard working people who scrimp and save.

    Where is the freeloader? Prices have gone too high, so construction has increased, so prices go back down. That is called a capitalist free market.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,975
    tlg86 said:

    Con Air!

    http://tinyurl.com/lt7bbvs
    Ggggg...goddamn you!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,317
    If Iceland draw, that's surely going to eliminate most of the entries to the Leave Euro prediction competition? :D
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    Que sera sera.

    Accusing others of being nasty is an easy way out, but it is never a good look. The bitterness of some Remainers (not you) is showing already, and yet it's all to play for. I suspect Remain will gain in the last couple of days owing to people's natural inclination for what they believe will be the status quo.

    I retain hopes that Mr Hyde (Mr Meeks) will revert to Dr Jekyll come June 24th, whatever the result.

    Despite Dave's rhetoric, the result won't be Armageddon whichever way it goes.

    I will carry on calling it as I see it, before and after 23 June. I understand that Leavers don't like being tarred as monomaniacs, xenophobes, isolationists, dimwits, irrational optimists, useful idiots and wild-eyed nutjobs, but what am I supposed to do? Pretend that I think they are thinking logically and intelligently?

    If I see people making a bad choice for bad reasons, I'm going to say so loud and clear.

    If we vote Leave and things pan out as I expect, I shall wear out the I, T, O, L, D, Y, U and S keys on my keyboard as we drift into becoming a sour reactionary backwater. Doubtless erstwhile Leavers will consider that nasty too.
  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    edited June 2016
    That's a hell of a result for Iceland.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    I've been there a couple of times. Decent grub.
    I love their mushroom risotto.

    But there is so much good good in London these days
  • ThrakThrak Posts: 494

    Where is the freeloader? Prices have gone too high, so construction has increased, so prices go back down. That is called a capitalist free market.
    I think you missed the earlier exchange.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    That's a hell of a result for Iceland.

    10% of the population of Iceland are in the Stadium. Great support!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    On the Economics of Brexit, Paul Krugman has done a concise piece that seems plausible. He reckons a 2% permanent drop in GDP due to greater trade restrictions is likely but talk of a huge financial crisis and a collapse in the pound is baloney.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/notes-on-brexit/

    What's more significant is the suggestion of how it will play out differently across the UK. His estimation is that London would be severely hit due to the city but other parts of the UK might benefit from a weaker pound.

    I have to say I do worry somewhat about London. It's not that long ago we had the riots, it's not a homogeneous place and an economic shock is never good news.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    edited June 2016

    Dint forget Tunstall and stoke itself! You did remember Fenton which is better than Arnold Bennett though!
    Didnt forget them...suggesting a dining club in Tunstall is stretching believability.

    Lol. Yes I can't remember eating on Williamson street!
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    I will carry on calling it as I see it, before and after 23 June. I understand that Leavers don't like being tarred as monomaniacs, xenophobes, isolationists, dimwits, irrational optimists, useful idiots and wild-eyed nutjobs, but what am I supposed to do? Pretend that I think they are thinking logically and intelligently?

    If I see people making a bad choice for bad reasons, I'm going to say so loud and clear.

    If we vote Leave and things pan out as I expect, I shall wear out the I, T, O, L, D, Y, U and S keys on my keyboard as we drift into becoming a sour reactionary backwater. Doubtless erstwhile Leavers will consider that nasty too.
    Fair enough Alastair, but the wonder of the Internet is that people will just move onto other sites. I enjoy pb, I really do, but if I want to read bile I can do that just as easily on Reddit.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,624
    If Leave wins it doesn't mean that we suddenly become a national of bigots and xenophobes. We will still be a fair and tolerant society but will have the freedom to exhibit those qualities as a fully independent and democratic nation. Let's unite to take that opportunity.
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    viewcode said:

    And then they put the house on the market at the valuation plus £10K... :)
    No, they put it on at the price and expect to sell it for a bit less.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,320
    edited June 2016

    :smiley::wink:
    I used to be, in the decadent eighties. Many happy japes with my medical chums. We used to book tables under the name Frank Melaena and Party.

    I don't recall shagging any pigs though.

    Melaena - that's the word I've been trying to remember for 40-odd years!

    A patient I came across in a hospital liked the sound of that word so much, she named her daughter after it.

    Edited to try to resolve the quote problem
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    John_M said:

    Fair enough Alastair, but the wonder of the Internet is that people will just move onto other sites. I enjoy pb, I really do, but if I want to read bile I can do that just as easily on Reddit.
    I have been described as hating my country, a quisling, a traitor and been wished dead.

    I don't think the balance reflects too badly on me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,442
    Bugger, the Brexit concert has been cancelled.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,381

    I will carry on calling it as I see it, before and after 23 June. I understand that Leavers don't like being tarred as monomaniacs, xenophobes, isolationists, dimwits, irrational optimists, useful idiots and wild-eyed nutjobs, but what am I supposed to do? Pretend that I think they are thinking logically and intelligently?

    If I see people making a bad choice for bad reasons, I'm going to say so loud and clear.

    If we vote Leave and things pan out as I expect, I shall wear out the I, T, O, L, D, Y, U and S keys on my keyboard as we drift into becoming a sour reactionary backwater. Doubtless erstwhile Leavers will consider that nasty too.
    You do seem to be changing from being witty and erudite to being increasingly bitter.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Sean_F said:

    You do seem to be changing from being witty and erudite to being increasingly bitter.
    In fairness, you have always been clear eyed about the likely consequences of a Leave vote.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,975

    No, they put it on at the price and expect to sell it for a bit less.
    Stop contradicting my funny narrative with facts.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    edited June 2016
    Edit
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    On the Economics of Brexit, Paul Krugman has done a concise piece that seems plausible. He reckons a 2% permanent drop in GDP due to greater trade restrictions is likely but talk of a huge financial crisis and a collapse in the pound is baloney.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/notes-on-brexit/

    What's more significant is the suggestion of how it will play out differently across the UK. His estimation is that London would be severely hit due to the city but other parts of the UK might benefit from a weaker pound.

    I have to say I do worry somewhat about London. It's not that long ago we had the riots, it's not a homogeneous place and an economic shock is never good news.

    Krugman is full of s**t, he was the loudest proclaimer that Osborne's austerity policies were going to cause a Greek style crash and millions of unemployed. Every prediction he has made for years has been humiliatingly wrong.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121

    I will carry on calling it as I see it, before and after 23 June. I understand that Leavers don't like being tarred as monomaniacs, xenophobes, isolationists, dimwits, irrational optimists, useful idiots and wild-eyed nutjobs, but what am I supposed to do? Pretend that I think they are thinking logically and intelligently?

    If I see people making a bad choice for bad reasons, I'm going to say so loud and clear.

    If we vote Leave and things pan out as I expect, I shall wear out the I, T, O, L, D, Y, U and S keys on my keyboard as we drift into becoming a sour reactionary backwater. Doubtless erstwhile Leavers will consider that nasty too.
    Alisistair- if things go pear shaped following Brexit, as they inevitably will, these stupid, nihilistic bastards will just attack immigrants (as present), and the Eurocrats (who are they?) as they do now...but with more vitriol.

    Brexit has no time or place in modern history other than it might set us back to the horrors of the past.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    OUT said:

    Less money after today's armageddon.
    Footsie closed today 2% down at 5923. On 17 Feb it closed at 5534. We're doing great!!! It all depends on where you start and where you finish, and who doesn't talk to their own book? It is absolutely stupid to draw long term conclusions from short term movements.

    The present situation is definitely driven by Brexit thoughts. In the City, it's okay to be wrong when everyone else is wrong, you have to be right when everyone else is right. If you're wrong when everyone else is right you get sacked and if you're right when everyone else is wrong you change jobs. Simples.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    No I disagree that the 'typical Leave supporter or voter in the country as a whole' is a "xenophobic immigrant hater". You have evidence for that bullshit?
    If you do not believe that immigration is at the forefront of the minds of a large % of those planning to vote Leave you have not been out in country for months nor looked at opinion poll detailed data .
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,975

    Krugman is full of s**t

    At last, something we agree on

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 23s23 seconds ago
    EXCL: ComRes/Sun poll tonight - Remain's #EUref lead down to 1 point, 46% v 45%. Last month it was 11, 52% v 41%
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    viewcode said:

    Stop contradicting my funny narrative with facts.
    Sorry.. Wont happen again :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,600
    edited June 2016
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 31s32 seconds ago
    EU referendum poll
    Remain: 46% (-6)
    Leave: 45% (+4)
    (via ComRes, phone)
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/742824109680254976
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,010

    If Leave wins it doesn't mean that we suddenly become a national of bigots and xenophobes. We will still be a fair and tolerant society but will have the freedom to exhibit those qualities as a fully independent and democratic nation. Let's unite to take that opportunity.

    Wallets will win in the end. They always do. Leave will win next Thursday, but I would not bet on us ever actually leaving.

  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Tom Newton Dunn

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/742823971066875905

    That's more moves to Leave
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    That's a hell of a result for Iceland.

    Delighted for them. Have had 3 wonderful holidays there. Rejkjavik is wonderful, so many great places like the Cathedral that took 45 years to build at the top of the hill, the chic Cafe Paris and Cafe Opera, Laugevegar Street (the main shopping street with many great Icelandic garments on sale), the Althingi parliament building with the beautiful lake and coloured houses behind.

    And then the wild Iceland is another thing altogether.......
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Krugman is full of s**t, he was the loudest proclaimer that Osborne's austerity policies were going to cause a Greek style crash and millions of unemployed. Every prediction he has made for years has been humiliatingly wrong.
    The important thing is that he is the Guardian's God of economists, and he says project fear is cobblers.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,160
    Danny565 said:

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 23s23 seconds ago
    EXCL: ComRes/Sun poll tonight - Remain's #EUref lead down to 1 point, 46% v 45%. Last month it was 11, 52% v 41%

    More evidence of maomentum :-) to leave....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,600
    So a big swing to Leave, but Remain still just ahead
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    tyson said:

    Alisistair- if things go pear shaped following Brexit, as they inevitably will, these stupid, nihilistic bastards will just attack immigrants (as present), and the Eurocrats (who are they?) as they do now...but with more vitriol.

    Brexit has no time or place in modern history other than it might set us back to the horrors of the past.
    Go cry me a river.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    HYUFD said:

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 31s32 seconds ago
    EU referendum poll
    Remain: 46% (-6)
    Leave: 45% (+4)
    (via ComRes, phone)
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/742824109680254976

    Good to remind us in the leave camp that we can ill afford any complacency right now.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,010
    Danny565 said:

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 23s23 seconds ago
    EXCL: ComRes/Sun poll tonight - Remain's #EUref lead down to 1 point, 46% v 45%. Last month it was 11, 52% v 41%

    I imagine Remain will be very happy to take that right now!

  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    If we're so unimportant that we've no hope of survival outside EU, how come we can move global markets on what we may be thinking of doing?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,600
    hunchman said:

    Good to remind us in the leave camp that we can ill afford any complacency right now.
    Yes, it is clearly going to the wire
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121

    If Leave wins it doesn't mean that we suddenly become a national of bigots and xenophobes. We will still be a fair and tolerant society but will have the freedom to exhibit those qualities as a fully independent and democratic nation. Let's unite to take that opportunity.

    Do you play golf Sandy? It is a salutary lesson that you always want more- a human condition. Like betting, or accumulating wealth. So I propose to you, we go for a Brexit. Do you think that will stop the debate. Or, it will unleash a potent, racist, nationalistic diatribe that will.......go for more.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Cable pretty much unmoved on the news:

    http://www.investing.com/currencies/gbp-usd
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,624

    More evidence of maomentum :-) to leave....
    Funnily enough, the Leave surge seems to have started when Momentum declared for Remain.
  • EICIPMEICIPM Posts: 55

    I imagine Remain will be very happy to take that right now!

    Remain nailed on!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,975
    hunchman said:

    ...like the Cathedral that took 45 years to build...

    Isn't that a bit quick in terms of cathedrals? If they did it properly it'd take 45 years to build the vestry... :)

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,381

    I imagine Remain will be very happy to take that right now!

    Especially if you think the remaining Undecideds will favour Remain.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,600
    Bloomberg US general election (taken June 10th-13th)

    Clinton 49%
    Trump 37%
    Johnson 9%
    http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-14/bloomberg-politics-national-poll-june-2016
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,767
    If the vote was tomorrow, I think Remain would win - by between 2 and 4 points - ie between 51/49 and 52/48 - due to polling booth swingback, Northern Ireland, expats and (maybe) some differential turnout.

    But the key point now is momentum - if the current drift from Remain to Leave continues for another week then Leave wins.

    Remain has to hold things right where they are now - they cannot afford any more slippage.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    HYUFD said:

    Yes, it is clearly going to the wire
    HYUFD said:

    Yes, it is clearly going to the wire
    I'm stunned Remain is ahead. I suspect there may be worse news in the datasets but we shall see. Remain has got to get every single middle class vote out now and hope Corbyn's NHS show can turn over a few leftie working class. Problem for Remain is that postal voting took place during peak Leave.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,381
    hunchman said:

    Good to remind us in the leave camp that we can ill afford any complacency right now.
    We want to be no better than a nose ahead.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    If we're so unimportant that we've no hope of survival outside EU, how come we can move global markets on what we may be thinking of doing?
    Markets aren't rational because: people.

    We might be the proverbial straw.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Alistair Meeks - We might become a sour reactionary backwater if we leave the EU but then we might if we stay. And to be clear I want to remain. But I can't help but feel you're not happy because your beloved London will suffer the most as a result of Brexit. I much as I want to stay in, seeing the scaling back of the out of control city of London would be welcome.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Remember people they could well be exactly right, in which case Remain wins. Or they could even be overestimating Leave...

    It ain't over til it's over.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    If we're so unimportant that we've no hope of survival outside EU, how come we can move global markets on what we may be thinking of doing?
    I want us to thrive in Europe, not survive outside it.
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