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  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    chestnut said:

    LD and Lab switchers to UKIP - 1% and 4% when speaking to nice person on 'phone - 7% and 10% in anonymous internet poll.

    I just hope this is somewhere near reality. Getting duufed up by 10pts on 23rd will hurt.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Mr. Anorak, might get some nice promises. Which will be meaningless, ultimately.

    But you're right some PR might be produced, perhaps with an accompanying Germanic threat.

    I'm starting to think that it's credible that the performance of the England football team could swing things. Disaster = Leave.

    Would explain the surprising organisation of the Russian hooligans. [removes tinfoil titfer]
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    ICM have Leave only 2% below the supposed outlier from ORB last week.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    Given it would seem Remain are badly losing the campaign, hard to see that saying more of the same is going to do any good.

    Dave saying pensioners will suffer --> Leave lead increases

    SamCam penning an article --> Leave lead increases

    Germans saying you'll be sorry! --> Leave lead increases

    Gordon Brown wheeled out --> Leave lead increases

    Ed Miliband wheeled out --> Leave lead increases

    George Osborne saying mortgages will rise --> Leave lead increases

    Andrea Leadsom all over the media --> Leave lead increases
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,478
    Miss JGP, apparently Juncker was ready to offer that but Cameron wanted to 'dock' the UK permanently to the EU.

    At the rate things are going he's going to 'dock' it in the same way Blair's devolution killed Scottish nationalism stone dead.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    midwinter said:

    It's insane. A 6 percent lead with the Gold Standard and still 7/4 on bf. Got to be the value bet of all time. Hasn't it?
    No one can quite believe it. Not even those who want to. It will be the biggest kick up the jacksie the establishment of this country has had since...well when? Maybe 1945?
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    edited June 2016
    image LOLAGE
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683

    Can anyone calculate what the Leave lead would have been with the original non-f'ked about ICM methodology, please?

    Or..not really?

    After last year's polling fiasco I always look at the unweighted figures - and they seem to give a clear lead for Remain if I'm reading them properly (and a 5% lead for Labour). I'm no longer sure I believe any figures about politics (or the economy, immigration, EU contribution....)
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017

    What can remain do now.... ?

    is there any big bazooka's left for them?

    It's the markets or bust.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    JenS said:

    Did the EU negotiators offer Cameron so little because they thought we'd vote Remain anyway? Or was it because, if they had to choose between the UK leaving and the UK getting more concessions, they really preferred to see the UK go?

    If it was the first, it could have been the biggest misjudgement in the history of the EU.

    Well, Dave told them we'd stay whatever deal he got....
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Cameron needs to go big on the vow.

    If remain win he will legislate for an emergency lever, which if pulled automatically dumps Osborne's head down the nearest toilet.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    Now abut the move by the government extending registration for 2 further days...

    LOL!!!!!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    If TSE is doing it, I am expecting a new thread with six laughing Nigel Farage's....
  • NoEasyDayNoEasyDay Posts: 454
    Sean_F said:

    "There was something of stolid resignation about them all, as if they walked half in another world between lines of nameless guards to a certain and familiar doom."
    I think they have seen this coming, there has been a whiff of panic in the air the last week or so.
    That last minute press briefing jobby he (Cameron) did on the tall building, strangely reminded me of Ed dashing to see Russell Brand.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Anorak said:

    I'm starting to think that it's credible that the performance of the England football team could swing things. Disaster = Leave.

    Would explain the surprising organisation of the Russian hooligans. [removes tinfoil titfer]
    If England get kicked out of the Euros after another set to with the local constabulary this won't even be close.
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    SeanT said:

    It was no outlier. It was a trend-setter.
    Exactly. Bit like the first poll which showed the SNP winning everything in 2015. No one believed that at the time.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683

    Now abut the move by the government extending registration for 2 further days...

    They could always extend polling until we get the right result. Like the test matches used to be.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Mine For Nothing
    ICM poll - % of voters "certain to vote"

    Leave voters: 83%
    Remain voters: 76%

    #Brexit
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    DavidL said:

    No one can quite believe it. Not even those who want to. It will be the biggest kick up the jacksie the establishment of this country has had since...well when? Maybe 1945?
    Isn't this just bad betting now though? Remain have only been ahead in 5 of the last 16 published polls, you have to bet on Leave surely?
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Are we expecting any other polls today?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,675
    chestnut said:

    VI (Phone)

    Con 34 Lab 33 UKIP 14 LD 9 Grn 5 SNP 4

    VI (Online)

    Con 34 Lab 30 UKIP 19 LD 8 Grn 4 SNP 4

    'Left wingers' more likely to admit UKIP tendencies in online polls?

    Beware the latter - it's an "experiment" by ICM, though I've not seen an explanation of what they're trying out.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    DanSmith said:

    Isn't this just bad betting now though? Remain have only been ahead in 5 of the last 16 published polls, you have to bet on Leave surely?
    And you are still getting odds against. Incredible.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    I am laughing now but really I don't want Leave to win. It will be a disaster for the North East.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,664

    NEW THREAD NEW THREAD

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703

    They haven't even tried to make a positive case so far, Mr. Topping (and I agree there is one that could be made) probably a bit late to start now.

    Cameron may yet squeak home, but he has might a right pig's breakfast of this issue and caused a lot of needless trouble for his party. Win or lose he will, I think, begone this year taking his sidekick with him and leaving a fearful mess for his successor to try and clear up.
    Yes some of the claims have made me cringe. Perhaps it's only primary colours, however, that the electorate responds to. Which would be a shame if true, albeit not a particular revelation.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    TudorRose said:

    They could always extend polling until we get the right result. Like the test matches used to be.
    I think the polling companies would need an extension to 24th June to call this right.

    Hugely encouraging for Leave but do we believe the pollsters anymore?
  • Laddies are making a market on which of the following cities/areas returns the highest REMAIN percentage vote :

    Edinburgh ....... 2/1
    Cambridge ....... 4/1
    Oxford ............ 4/1
    Islington ......... 6/1
    Hackney ........... 6/1

    Aren't the precise geographical areas of at least some rather too vague to enable the percentages to be ascertained exactly?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,416
    DavidL said:

    No one can quite believe it. Not even those who want to. It will be the biggest kick up the jacksie the establishment of this country has had since...well when? Maybe 1945?
    I wasn't alive then but IMHO the establishment needs it +++++ more now.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Norm said:

    Thursday's ITV debate was the f...ing disaster Angela Eagle pronounced it to be at the time. An SNP leader toxic to Tory voters, a Labour tribalist plus a demented Amber Rudd up against an urbane and considered Leave team - who thought that was a good idea?

    Angela Eagle is a good judge and has her feet on the ground.

    It would be interesting to hear from her what in particular was bad about the REMAIN performance that night. Perhaps the persoanl attacks on Boris rather than addressing policies?
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    AnneJGP said:

    From what I can gather, Mr Cameron actually refused the offer of something that would have suited the voters very well. Some sort of associate membership?

    What is the source for this?

    If Cameron loses the referendum you can see him staying on to try to engineer 'associate' membership.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited June 2016
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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    SeanT said:

    And is yet content to live amongst us awful Engish, rather than amongst the midges of his beloved Scotland. Odd.
    We like to dump our rubbish on you lot.
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