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    Whats the figure for certain to vote
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,684
    rcs1000 said:

    Leave 46
    Remain 44

    Phone or online? I can't even download the file.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,276
    rcs1000 said:

    Leave 46
    Remain 44

    Bit of an anti-climax
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,095
    Phone or online
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    A 60k bet just took the market to 1.56
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215

    Whats the figure for certain to vote

    Certain to vote and EU ref weighting (whatever that is) has Leave 49-44 ahead.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @guardian: EU referendum: leave campaign takes six-point lead in Guardian/ICM polls https://t.co/xQRS9z8cD3
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited June 2016
    Just seen the guardian. Fuck yes. Get in. Now to do some work
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,276
    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like the British people are speaking.

    AND THEY ARE SAYING "OUT" !

    https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/13-Jun.pdf

    But that is a very very narrow Leave lead.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,684
    edited June 2016
    Can whoever has it downloaded rehost it to Dropbox or Google drive?
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave 46
    Remain 44

    Bit of an anti-climax
    Mr M Boon did say calm down......
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Mine For Nothing
    Screenshot from ICM website claims new poll shows Brexit ahead by 5%
    https://t.co/Q9QsNcSQ1c
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    OH OH OH BOY!!!!! IT's HAPPENING!!!!!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,790
    Those fags are going to get some bashing this evening...hi Dave...
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave 46
    Remain 44

    Phone or online? I can't even download the file.

    Don't refresh - wait, it will come.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,043
    ICM Phone Poll

    Remain 45 (+3)

    Leave 50 (+5)

    https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/13-Jun.pdf
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,065
    Just been away for a little while. Amused there are so many posts with so little information :p
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    "Both online and telephone polls show the same lead for leave."

    Dare one suggest Intra-ICM herding?
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    The latest telephone poll suggests that remain is still the preferred choice of Labour voters, by 58% to 38%.

    60:40 very bad for REMAIN
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Prof John Curtice of Strathclyde University, who analyses all the available referendum polling data on his website whattheukthinks.org, noted that, after the new ICM data, the running average “poll of polls” would stand at 52% for leave and 48% for remain, the first time leave has been in such a strong position
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Would love to see the look on Call Me Dave's face. That's what happens when you come back with a shit "deal".
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,276
    SeanT said:

    I think REMAIN is going to lose

    That depends on whether all Leave voters hold their nerve for the next 9.5 days.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,245
    marke09 said:

    Prof John Curtice of Strathclyde University, who analyses all the available referendum polling data on his website whattheukthinks.org, noted that, after the new ICM data, the running average “poll of polls” would stand at 52% for leave and 48% for remain, the first time leave has been in such a strong position

    CROSSOVER!!!!!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,065
    That's not a huge lead.
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    Over 2,000 posts per day on PB.com must be doing wonders for Mike's advertising revenues and interview fees.
    Small wonder that he can afford to keep taking overseas holidays every few weeks!
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,689
    So which figures are right? These or the Guardian ones?

    I would say farcical but to describe polling as that seems redundant.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,276
    philiph said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave 46
    Remain 44

    Bit of an anti-climax
    Mr M Boon did say calm down......
    Two questions: (1) Can that Leave lead be overturned, in turn, by a higher Remain turnout of soft Remainers in response? (2) Will the pound and markets responding, which the BBC will make headline news, lead to weaker Leavers bottling it, either now, or on the day?

    Anything can happen.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,684
    Not seeing any movement in Sterling.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Obviously a good poll for Leave.

    The Don't Knows look extraordinarily low.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,072
    MaxPB said:

    Not seeing any movement in Sterling.

    Sell sell sell :p
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,245
    The trend is your friend.

    Unless you are Cameron or Osborne.
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    GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Looking forward to another thread on where the Leave campaign are going wrong by Mr Bilge.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    rcs1000 said:

    Unweighted base 1000 483 426
    Weighted base 1000 425 464
    Remain a member of the 425 425 - European Union 43% 100% - Leave the European 464 - 464
    Union 46% - 100%
    Certain not to vote in 51 - - EU Referendum 5% - - Don't know 60 - - 6% - -


    That seems a big switch between unweighted to weighted and thus REMAIN to LEAVE?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,065
    Mr. Meeks, a sound point on don't knows.

    The question is whether people are finally making their minds up, or if that section of the electorate is being significantly underestimated.
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    The DK are breaking for Leave.
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    My £4800 sitting on a Leave at 3.2 isn't looking so bad anymore...
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    frpenkridgefrpenkridge Posts: 670
    Was it Izzard that did it?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,095

    philiph said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave 46
    Remain 44

    Bit of an anti-climax
    Mr M Boon did say calm down......
    Two questions: (1) Can that Leave lead be overturned, in turn, by a higher Remain turnout of soft Remainers in response? (2) Will the pound and markets responding, which the BBC will make headline news, lead to weaker Leavers bottling it, either now, or on the day?

    Anything can happen.
    (1) No, I don't think so.

    (2) Quite possibly. I'd still just about favour Remain to pull it off, but I'd put their odds now at 50-55%. One month ago, I thought Remain had a 2/1 chance of winning.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,790
    SeanT said:

    I think we must all brace ourselves for another tearful "vow".

    What can he try & sell? He went to speak to the big boss lady & got nothing.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,964
    edited June 2016

    SeanT said:

    I think REMAIN is going to lose

    That depends on whether all Leave voters hold their nerve for the next 9.5 days.
    The cynic in me says this is just the kind of poll remain needs to scare it's voters to the polling booth
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,352
    Leave into 2.68 on Betfair. Time to cash out?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,245

    Obviously a good poll for Leave.

    The Don't Knows look extraordinarily low.

    The former DK's have pretty much all broken for Leave.... Way to go, Remain campaign. More unbelievable stats, more Fear, more Little Englander insults please.
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    Skilled Manial Workers 67-29 leave
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    What can remain do now.... ?

    is there any big bazooka's left for them?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,065
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,072
    edited June 2016

    Leave into 2.68 on Betfair. Time to cash out?

    I just greened off at 2.92 - Annoyingly. I should really learn that it takes a few minutes for people to load up Betfair, deposit and then back "Remain" shorter...
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,051
    #PullThePlugMonday
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    SeanT said:

    I think REMAIN is going to lose

    That depends on whether all Leave voters hold their nerve for the next 9.5 days.
    The cynic in me says this is just the kind of poll remain needs to scare it's voters to the polling booth
    Or for people to join the LEAVE bandwagon.

    Get on the train before it LEAVES the station.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,678

    What can remain do now.... ?

    is there any big bazooka's left for them?

    It can avoid hyperbole (fat chance) and stick to the unexciting but persuasive case to Remain a member of the EU.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,276
    SeanT said:

    philiph said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave 46
    Remain 44

    Bit of an anti-climax
    Mr M Boon did say calm down......
    Two questions: (1) Can that Leave lead be overturned, in turn, by a higher Remain turnout of soft Remainers in response? (2) Will the pound and markets responding, which the BBC will make headline news, lead to weaker Leavers bottling it, either now, or on the day?

    Anything can happen.
    But still. Just ten days from the vote and BREXIT is SIX points ahead, in a PHONE POLL, with GOLD STANDARD ICM

    wHODABLOODYTHUNK IT?

    The government must be in full on Chernobyl mode. They're gonna need some kind of Vow on migration. Otherwise they are headed for defeat.
    Yup. Oh to be a fly on the wall in Downing Street tonight.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,245
    SeanT said:

    philiph said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave 46
    Remain 44

    Bit of an anti-climax
    Mr M Boon did say calm down......
    Two questions: (1) Can that Leave lead be overturned, in turn, by a higher Remain turnout of soft Remainers in response? (2) Will the pound and markets responding, which the BBC will make headline news, lead to weaker Leavers bottling it, either now, or on the day?

    Anything can happen.
    But still. Just ten days from the vote and BREXIT is SIX points ahead, in a PHONE POLL, with GOLD STANDARD ICM

    wHODABLOODYTHUNK IT?

    The government must be in full on Chernobyl mode. They're gonna need some kind of Vow on migration. Otherwise they are headed for defeat.
    They are going to have be photographed sending back migrants using the Dover Trebuchet Battery to have any credibility on immigration now....
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    midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112

    SeanT said:

    I think REMAIN is going to lose

    That depends on whether all Leave voters hold their nerve for the next 9.5 days.
    The cynic in me says this is just the kind of poll remain needs to scare it's voters to the polling booth
    Yes and to frighten the flakier Leavers...Still all the information suggests it's time to gird up ones loins and punt like a man.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Leave has been the value bet for a while.

    I am most heavy on Remain 40-45% on Betfair, which I think is still good value.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,382
    Not too relevant to current circs, but VI is Con 34 (-2), Lab 33 (+1), UKIP 14 (1), LD 9 (+2), Green 5 (+2), SNP 4 (=).
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274

    SeanT said:

    I think we must all brace ourselves for another tearful "vow".

    What can he try & sell? He went to speak to the big boss lady & got nothing.
    Nothing. FOM would be the only thing that could gain traction at home but it would require fundamental treaty change and so no one can credibly promise it.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Betfair going up and down like Bill Clinton's pants.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Skilled Manial Workers 67-29 leave

    Blimey
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    NoEasyDayNoEasyDay Posts: 454

    philiph said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave 46
    Remain 44

    Bit of an anti-climax
    Mr M Boon did say calm down......
    Two questions: (1) Can that Leave lead be overturned, in turn, by a higher Remain turnout of soft Remainers in response? (2) Will the pound and markets responding, which the BBC will make headline news, lead to weaker Leavers bottling it, either now, or on the day?

    Anything can happen.
    My reading of Reading remain voters is they are less motivated to vote, so getting out soft remainers will be huge ask. In fact may go the other and make them think "whats the point going to lose anyway."
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,245

    Not too relevant to current circs, but VI is Con 34 (-2), Lab 33 (+1), UKIP 14 (1), LD 9 (+2), Green 5 (+2), SNP 4 (=).

    All those Leave voters thinking Labour is the party for them?
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    Dont worry Remain fans - you still have the intervention of...

    ...Gordon Brown

    Arf.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    What can remain do now.... ?

    is there any big bazooka's left for them?

    More luvvies?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Not too relevant to current circs, but VI is Con 34 (-2), Lab 33 (+1), UKIP 14 (1), LD 9 (+2), Green 5 (+2), SNP 4 (=).

    How would that come out at a GE? I can see one coming in the next 12/12.
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    SeanT said:

    I think REMAIN is going to lose

    That depends on whether all Leave voters hold their nerve for the next 9.5 days.
    The cynic in me says this is just the kind of poll remain needs to scare it's voters to the polling booth
    Does anyone know the % of Postal votes - most of whom will have already voted during the period this poll was being researched
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,678
    NoEasyDay said:

    philiph said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave 46
    Remain 44

    Bit of an anti-climax
    Mr M Boon did say calm down......
    Two questions: (1) Can that Leave lead be overturned, in turn, by a higher Remain turnout of soft Remainers in response? (2) Will the pound and markets responding, which the BBC will make headline news, lead to weaker Leavers bottling it, either now, or on the day?

    Anything can happen.
    My reading of Reading remain voters is they are less motivated to vote, so getting out soft remainers will be huge ask. In fact may go the other and make them think "whats the point going to lose anyway."
    Hmm interesting view. Mine is that it takes a lot to stir soft remainers, but the thought of losing the country to a group led in spirit and perhaps body by Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson might just do it.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,276
    Can anyone calculate what the Leave lead would have been with the original non-f'ked about ICM methodology, please?

    Or..not really?
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited June 2016
    VI (Phone)

    Con 34 Lab 33 UKIP 14 LD 9 Grn 5 SNP 4

    VI (Online)

    Con 34 Lab 30 UKIP 19 LD 8 Grn 4 SNP 4

    'Left wingers' more likely to admit UKIP tendencies in online polls?
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    frpenkridgefrpenkridge Posts: 670
    The Germans really love us and the Brits show this lack of gratitude!
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    GIN1138 said:

    #PullThePlugMonday

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,072

    Not too relevant to current circs, but VI is Con 34 (-2), Lab 33 (+1), UKIP 14 (1), LD 9 (+2), Green 5 (+2), SNP 4 (=).

    That VI looks absolutely correct to me.
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    To clarify the % of the electorate using postal votes .
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,245
    PlatoSaid said:

    What can remain do now.... ?

    is there any big bazooka's left for them?

    More luvvies?
    They are going to have to go the full Izzard....
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,065
    Mr. Pulpstar, betting with hindsight is very profitable.
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    TonyTony Posts: 159
    edited June 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    Skilled Manial Workers 67-29 leave

    Blimey
    This!! CDE stampede to Leave.
    Still think we'll get some AB swingback to remain due to financial concerns.
    Like SeanT's ex :)
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    marke09 said:

    Prof John Curtice of Strathclyde University, who analyses all the available referendum polling data on his website whattheukthinks.org, noted that, after the new ICM data, the running average “poll of polls” would stand at 52% for leave and 48% for remain, the first time leave has been in such a strong position

    CROSSOVER!!!!!
    When will Leave on Betfair approach a 50% chance? If a 6% Leave lead on Gold Standard ICM doesn't do it what will?

    Feels at the moment like Leave could poll 60% in Sunderland on June 23 and we'll still see Remain as Betfair overwhelming favourite.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    SeanT said:

    philiph said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave 46
    Remain 44

    Bit of an anti-climax
    Mr M Boon did say calm down......
    Two questions: (1) Can that Leave lead be overturned, in turn, by a higher Remain turnout of soft Remainers in response? (2) Will the pound and markets responding, which the BBC will make headline news, lead to weaker Leavers bottling it, either now, or on the day?

    Anything can happen.
    But still. Just ten days from the vote and BREXIT is SIX points ahead, in a PHONE POLL, with GOLD STANDARD ICM

    wHODABLOODYTHUNK IT?

    The government must be in full on Chernobyl mode. They're gonna need some kind of Vow on migration. Otherwise they are headed for defeat.
    But there is nothing that they can offer with any credibility. Have to get all 27 other states to agree first, which rather illustrates one of the failings of EU.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    SeanT said:

    I think REMAIN is going to lose

    That depends on whether all Leave voters hold their nerve for the next 9.5 days.
    The cynic in me says this is just the kind of poll remain needs to scare it's voters to the polling booth
    The optimist in me says this is just the kind of poll to push the EU into some major concessions.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    What can remain do now.... ?

    is there any big bazooka's left for them?

    More luvvies?
    They are going to have to go the full Izzard....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5wqmsVTnk
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,689

    SeanT said:

    I think REMAIN is going to lose

    That depends on whether all Leave voters hold their nerve for the next 9.5 days.
    The cynic in me says this is just the kind of poll remain needs to scare it's voters to the polling booth
    Does anyone know the % of Postal votes - most of whom will have already voted during the period this poll was being researched
    That's a really good point. Significant numbers will have voted whilst these polls were in the field.

    For the first time I am really starting to believe this might happen.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,072
    edited June 2016

    Mr. Pulpstar, betting with hindsight is very profitable.

    Well I am "green" for tiny stakes on the EURef now. +12.16 Leave,+0.00 Remain.

    I still think it is very hard to call.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,964
    edited June 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    Skilled Manial Workers 67-29 leave

    Blimey
    and why wouldn't they ?

    this government and it's predecessor has permitted a full scale assault on their livelihoods.

    I'm amazed there are 29% of lunatics out there still believing Dave will see them all right.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    LD and Lab switchers to UKIP - 1% and 4% when speaking to nice person on 'phone - 7% and 10% in anonymous internet poll.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,065
    Mr. Anorak, might get some nice promises. Which will be meaningless, ultimately.

    But you're right some PR might be produced, perhaps with an accompanying Germanic threat.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,095

    SeanT said:

    philiph said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave 46
    Remain 44

    Bit of an anti-climax
    Mr M Boon did say calm down......
    Two questions: (1) Can that Leave lead be overturned, in turn, by a higher Remain turnout of soft Remainers in response? (2) Will the pound and markets responding, which the BBC will make headline news, lead to weaker Leavers bottling it, either now, or on the day?

    Anything can happen.
    But still. Just ten days from the vote and BREXIT is SIX points ahead, in a PHONE POLL, with GOLD STANDARD ICM

    wHODABLOODYTHUNK IT?

    The government must be in full on Chernobyl mode. They're gonna need some kind of Vow on migration. Otherwise they are headed for defeat.
    Yup. Oh to be a fly on the wall in Downing Street tonight.
    "There was something of stolid resignation about them all, as if they walked half in another world between lines of nameless guards to a certain and familiar doom."
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Tony said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Skilled Manial Workers 67-29 leave

    Blimey
    This!! CDE stampede to Leave.
    I'm just so effing delighted.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,072
    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:

    I think REMAIN is going to lose

    That depends on whether all Leave voters hold their nerve for the next 9.5 days.
    The cynic in me says this is just the kind of poll remain needs to scare it's voters to the polling booth
    Does anyone know the % of Postal votes - most of whom will have already voted during the period this poll was being researched
    That's a really good point. Significant numbers will have voted whilst these polls were in the field.

    For the first time I am really starting to believe this might happen.
    The postal anecdotes back up the polling.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,678

    Mr. Anorak, might get some nice promises. Which will be meaningless, ultimately.

    But you're right some PR might be produced, perhaps with an accompanying Germanic threat.

    Yep. Nothing he could get on Free Movement.

    It will be immigration wot won it, if indeed it is won.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,884

    marke09 said:

    Prof John Curtice of Strathclyde University, who analyses all the available referendum polling data on his website whattheukthinks.org, noted that, after the new ICM data, the running average “poll of polls” would stand at 52% for leave and 48% for remain, the first time leave has been in such a strong position

    CROSSOVER!!!!!
    When will Leave on Betfair approach a 50% chance? If a 6% Leave lead on Gold Standard ICM doesn't do it what will?
    .
    With the disparity between ICM and ORB phone polls, a leave lead with ComRes/Survation phone could well bring the price right in.

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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869

    SeanT said:

    I think we must all brace ourselves for another tearful "vow".

    What can he try & sell? He went to speak to the big boss lady & got nothing.
    From what I can gather, Mr Cameron actually refused the offer of something that would have suited the voters very well. Some sort of associate membership?
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    I think REMAIN is going to lose

    That depends on whether all Leave voters hold their nerve for the next 9.5 days.
    The cynic in me says this is just the kind of poll remain needs to scare it's voters to the polling booth
    The optimist in me says this is just the kind of poll to push the EU into some major concessions.
    Who on earth would believe them - the boy that cried wolf and all that?
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    midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112

    marke09 said:

    Prof John Curtice of Strathclyde University, who analyses all the available referendum polling data on his website whattheukthinks.org, noted that, after the new ICM data, the running average “poll of polls” would stand at 52% for leave and 48% for remain, the first time leave has been in such a strong position

    CROSSOVER!!!!!
    When will Leave on Betfair approach a 50% chance? If a 6% Leave lead on Gold Standard ICM doesn't do it what will?

    Feels at the moment like Leave could poll 60% in Sunderland on June 23 and we'll still see Remain as Betfair overwhelming favourite.
    It's insane. A 6 percent lead with the Gold Standard and still 7/4 on bf. Got to be the value bet of all time. Hasn't it?
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    NoEasyDayNoEasyDay Posts: 454
    TOPPING said:

    NoEasyDay said:

    philiph said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leave 46
    Remain 44

    Bit of an anti-climax
    Mr M Boon did say calm down......
    Two questions: (1) Can that Leave lead be overturned, in turn, by a higher Remain turnout of soft Remainers in response? (2) Will the pound and markets responding, which the BBC will make headline news, lead to weaker Leavers bottling it, either now, or on the day?

    Anything can happen.
    My reading of Reading remain voters is they are less motivated to vote, so getting out soft remainers will be huge ask. In fact may go the other and make them think "whats the point going to lose anyway."
    Hmm interesting view. Mine is that it takes a lot to stir soft remainers, but the thought of losing the country to a group led in spirit and perhaps body by Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson might just do it.
    Surely nobody believes Farage will ever be in a position of power....As for Bo Jo he splits opinion.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,790
    Now abut the move by the government extending registration for 2 further days...
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    JenSJenS Posts: 91
    Did the EU negotiators offer Cameron so little because they thought we'd vote Remain anyway? Or was it because, if they had to choose between the UK leaving and the UK getting more concessions, they really preferred to see the UK go?

    If it was the first, it could have been the biggest misjudgement in the history of the EU.
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    NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    Thursday's ITV debate was the f...ing disaster Angela Eagle pronounced it to be at the time. An SNP leader toxic to Tory voters, a Labour tribalist plus a demented Amber Rudd up against an urbane and considered Leave team - who thought that was a good idea?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,045
    Looks to me like the only thing that can save Remain now is the markets getting full-scale spooks at the prospect of a Leave vote. That may scare enough of the dwindling number of undecideds into voting for things as they are. Otherwise, it's hard to see a way back for Dave. He's premiership is about to come to a humiliating end; even more so given he will have been defeated and then replaced by Boris.

    If the turnout is less than 65% I walk away with £1,250. A small consolation. I may put a bit on Boris just to keep the run going.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    MaxPB said:

    Not seeing any movement in Sterling.

    Trading is in the US now.

    Perhaps the trans Atlantic cable has crashed with the news?

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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    TOPPING said:

    What can remain do now.... ?

    is there any big bazooka's left for them?

    It can avoid hyperbole (fat chance) and stick to the unexciting but persuasive case to Remain a member of the EU.
    They haven't even tried to make a positive case so far, Mr. Topping (and I agree there is one that could be made) probably a bit late to start now.

    Cameron may yet squeak home, but he has might a right pig's breakfast of this issue and caused a lot of needless trouble for his party. Win or lose he will, I think, begone this year taking his sidekick with him and leaving a fearful mess for his successor to try and clear up.
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