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Of course not, don't be silly. BBC are also panicking now.marke09 said:So 1 Tory goes over to remain but tonight 3 Labour Mps have gone to Leave? will that be headlines in morning doubt it
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A Tory defected from one campaign to the other, a noteworthy thing to happen, although already moved on from.marke09 said:So 1 Tory goes over to remain but tonight 3 Labour Mps have gone to Leave? will that be headlines in morning doubt it
Three Labour MPs declaring for Leave from undeclared should not be news, unless we are admitting Leave aren't appealing well to Labour and so any MPs declaring for leave at all is noteworthy.0 -
Maybe. I'm sure I saw SeanT post it in relation to a Meeks thread header... But maybe Ali said is first in relation to Ms. Plato?MP_SE said:0 -
Unfortunately there have been quite a few Tories repeating this nasty piece of leftist revisionism. You should have corrected him.TheScreamingEagles said:
This evening I had to stand in silence and listen to a Labour IN campaigner explain that prior to joining the EU, we were the sick man of Europe, but after we joined, we no longer were thanks to the EU.JohnO said:Not mentioned so far I think, but Eagles sole purpose in the debate was to focus on Labour supporters to vote Remain, hence her partisan attacks on the Tories, but saying that "giving them a bloody nose" by voting to Leave would be a huge error. Ditto to a lesser extent Sturgeon more widely to those on the left.
It obviously grates with Tories (like me!) but it may have been an agreed tactic beforehand.
Agree that Leadsom and Stuart did well and Boris above par.
I really wanted to say no, it was thanks to f*cking Thatcher, but this was a family of voters who hates the f*cking Tories.0 -
Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is to have heart surgery after an attack that could have killed him, his doctor says.
The 79-year-old will undergo surgery by the middle of next week to replace a defective aortic valve, Alberto Zangrillo told reporters in Rome.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36490900
No more bunga bunga parties for a while...
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Many remainers will be crapping themselves watching Jeremy speaking to the kidz on Sky.GIN1138 said:
There's still time for an eleventh hour conversion from Jezza and Ken to John Manns side of the argument...old_labour said:
Must be the first time he kind of, sort of agrees with Jeremy.PlatoSaid said:John Mann declares for Leave
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https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/732785721145188352TCPoliticalBetting said:0 -
I think Viagra can cause cardio vascular problems long term???FrancisUrquhart said:Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is to have heart surgery after an attack that could have killed him, his doctor says.
The 79-year-old will undergo surgery by the middle of next week to replace a defective aortic valve, Alberto Zangrillo told reporters in Rome.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36490900
No more bunga bunga parties for a while...0 -
Nurses beware.FrancisUrquhart said:Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is to have heart surgery after an attack that could have killed him, his doctor says.
The 79-year-old will undergo surgery by the middle of next week to replace a defective aortic valve, Alberto Zangrillo told reporters in Rome.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36490900
No more bunga bunga parties for a while...0 -
Remain are panicking. Blair and Major say Leaving will "jeopardise" British unity. That sounds great, say many who voted for Scottish independence. Meanwhile, Sturgeon speaks for Remain against Johnson. Where's your Union Jack, Nicola?
Leave say "reduce immigration".
Who's got the clearest message?
Mandelson says Remain have "only" got immigration. Well? New Labour "only" had modernity in 1997.
Most in England and Wales couldn't care much whether Scotland goes independent or not. Just get Salmond and Sturgeon off their TV sets.
As for Johnson, at least he's not playing the English card. Imagine if he did! Right-wing Tories braying out the words of "Jerusalem", as they and their fathers and grandfathers before them did at boarding school. I hope nobody's reading this while they're eating.0 -
"Don't move Boris".Scott_P said:Caption competition
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/7410244372360110080 -
I've got a bet on him NOT to be a PDL candidate at the next Italian election.FrancisUrquhart said:Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is to have heart surgery after an attack that could have killed him, his doctor says.
The 79-year-old will undergo surgery by the middle of next week to replace a defective aortic valve, Alberto Zangrillo told reporters in Rome.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36490900
No more bunga bunga parties for a while...0 -
They don't get to send politicians to Westminster, so I think it's more of a colony.BenedictWhite said:
It is part of a country of 65 million.rcs1000 said:
£285m.BenedictWhite said:
Nothing wrong with building the airport, slightly disappointed that they didn't think the middle of the South Atlantic was windy and check first.rcs1000 said:
St Helena. GDP is about £10m. And they managed to spend £285m on an airport.MarkHopkins said:
£285 million pounds on an airport that can't open.
The German one? No.
Some EU nonsense? No.
It seems we're capable of screwing up all by ourselves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36493860
That's quite an achievement. That would be like London spending £20trillion on an airport.
Oh dear.
That's a staggering amount of money for a country with 4,000 people.
That's £500,000 per person.0 -
That's actually not true, most of our exports at the time we joined the EEC were to ex-empire nations which suddenly had to pay tariffs to import our goods.nick said:Leave seem to have dropped the economics argument to focus on immigration, but I have no idea why they don't talk more about the common external tariff.
No customs are levied on goods travelling within the EU customs union but, unlike a free trade area, a common external tariff is imposed on all goods entering.
When we joined the EEC most of our trade was with its members, so arguably it made sense for us to be a member, but that's no longer the case. Technological improvements and the relative decline of the EU compared with the rest of the world (both factors which are unlikely to be reversed) mean we now trade more with countries outside the EU than we do with countries inside. Since most of our trade is now with countries outside the EU it makes sense for us to leave.
This is a strong and easy to explain economics based argument for us to leave. Are there problems with it? Can it be improved? Wikipedia has a page about the EU Customs Union here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Customs_Union0 -
It is in (and under) Switzerland!kle4 said:
I was about to make a joke about how you should just double or triple initial estimates of cost, to the point of wondering why they even pretend it will cost less, but apparently that rail tunnel under the alps was on time and on budget, at least according to the BBC write up - I nearly fell out of my chair, as I had no idea it was possible for such things to be on budget.BenedictWhite said:
I didn't realise it was £285 million when I first heard of the project it was a lot lot less.John_M said:
It's the fact that it's built on a cliff that's causing the issues with wind shear.BenedictWhite said:
Nothing wrong with building the airport, slightly disappointed that they didn't think the middle of the South Atlantic was windy and check first.rcs1000 said:
St Helena. GDP is about £10m. And they managed to spend £285m on an airport.MarkHopkins said:
£285 million pounds on an airport that can't open.
The German one? No.
Some EU nonsense? No.
It seems we're capable of screwing up all by ourselves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36493860
That's quite an achievement. That would be like London spending £20trillion on an airport.
Oh dear.0 -
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Yes. Ali accused Ms Plato of vapid bilge (which I sadly missed)rcs1000 said:
The first time I saw it on PB was when SeanT used it in relation to an Ali thread header so I thought it had come from him but it didn't.
The only question now is who exactly IS the user Vapid Bilge? I thought maybe Runnymede (who seems to have disappeared recently) but not sure....0 -
Like those wot threatened to leave London in 2008 prior to Boris becoming Mayor?AlastairMeeks said:
Preparing to leave the country.rcs1000 said:Two weeks today, I'm going to be eating a curry and drinking a pint.
What about you guys?0 -
It is, but it isn't a country...rcs1000 said:
They don't get to send politicians to Westminster, so I think it's more of a colony.BenedictWhite said:
It is part of a country of 65 million.rcs1000 said:
£285m.BenedictWhite said:
Nothing wrong with building the airport, slightly disappointed that they didn't think the middle of the South Atlantic was windy and check first.rcs1000 said:
St Helena. GDP is about £10m. And they managed to spend £285m on an airport.MarkHopkins said:
£285 million pounds on an airport that can't open.
The German one? No.
Some EU nonsense? No.
It seems we're capable of screwing up all by ourselves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36493860
That's quite an achievement. That would be like London spending £20trillion on an airport.
Oh dear.
That's a staggering amount of money for a country with 4,000 people.
That's £500,000 per person.0 -
I've been doing a bit of research and found out (everyone else probably already knew this) that a percentage of Britain's DISTENDED overseas aid budget is called MULTILATERAL overseas development aid (as opposed to bilateral overseas development aid), and instead of being given to the needy, just gets bunged to big international organisations instead.
Guess what organisation takes the biggest cut of this multilateral overseas development aid? Correct - the European Commission. To be precise, in 2013, £813million to the European Commission, and £407million to the European Commission - European Development Fund. So that's well over a billion (I can't find 2015 figures, but international aid has gone up significantly since then) of British tax payers money going to the EU completely off the books. I suspect it's probably over £2 billion now, and potentially significant in this 'lying over the figures' debate.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/403381/SID-2014-revised-UNDP-figure-feb15.pdf
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I'm not sure the United States appreciates being called "ex-empire"MaxPB said:
That's actually not true, most of our exports at the time we joined the EEC were to ex-empire nations which suddenly had to pay tariffs to import our goods.nick said:Leave seem to have dropped the economics argument to focus on immigration, but I have no idea why they don't talk more about the common external tariff.
No customs are levied on goods travelling within the EU customs union but, unlike a free trade area, a common external tariff is imposed on all goods entering.
When we joined the EEC most of our trade was with its members, so arguably it made sense for us to be a member, but that's no longer the case. Technological improvements and the relative decline of the EU compared with the rest of the world (both factors which are unlikely to be reversed) mean we now trade more with countries outside the EU than we do with countries inside. Since most of our trade is now with countries outside the EU it makes sense for us to leave.
This is a strong and easy to explain economics based argument for us to leave. Are there problems with it? Can it be improved? Wikipedia has a page about the EU Customs Union here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Customs_Union
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Good pointSeanT said:
Conversely, Larry Elliot, the economics editor of the Guardian is almost certainly LEAVE, and was single currency scepticviewcode said:
I read it every weekday (we get it in work).I was discussing the Times last night on this very board. The commentariat before the middle page are mostly for LEAVE, with some obvious exceptions (Fink, Parris, etc). The business writers after the middle page are mostly for REMAIN, with some exceptions. I think it'll go LEAVE because Murdoch, but it is genuinely conflicted.alex. said:Don't see how anyone who reads the Times can think that they are going to be anything but for Remain.
The reactions of the business press embedded in sceptic papers is interesting. In the Telegraph Jeremy Warner has worked out that Vote Leave is pursuing an anti-economic strategy and is beginning to worry. Ambrose Evans-Pritchard also I think realises it, but (true to his persona) will simply blame Europe instead of taking responsibility. Everybody else is Pollyanna, tbh.0 -
No, returning the following Tuesday.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Like those wot threatened to leave London in 2008 prior to Boris becoming Mayor?AlastairMeeks said:
Preparing to leave the country.rcs1000 said:Two weeks today, I'm going to be eating a curry and drinking a pint.
What about you guys?0 -
The Swiss once again showing life's great outside the EU!welshowl said:
It is in (and under) Switzerland!kle4 said:
I was about to make a joke about how you should just double or triple initial estimates of cost, to the point of wondering why they even pretend it will cost less, but apparently that rail tunnel under the alps was on time and on budget, at least according to the BBC write up - I nearly fell out of my chair, as I had no idea it was possible for such things to be on budget.BenedictWhite said:
I didn't realise it was £285 million when I first heard of the project it was a lot lot less.John_M said:
It's the fact that it's built on a cliff that's causing the issues with wind shear.BenedictWhite said:
Nothing wrong with building the airport, slightly disappointed that they didn't think the middle of the South Atlantic was windy and check first.rcs1000 said:
St Helena. GDP is about £10m. And they managed to spend £285m on an airport.MarkHopkins said:
£285 million pounds on an airport that can't open.
The German one? No.
Some EU nonsense? No.
It seems we're capable of screwing up all by ourselves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36493860
That's quite an achievement. That would be like London spending £20trillion on an airport.
Oh dear.
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But they never really mentioned it when they were talking about the economy.viewcode said:
The first part of your sentence answers the second part of your sentence.nick said:Leave seem to have dropped the economics argument to focus on immigration, but I have no idea why they don't talk more about the common external tariff
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The Gilfoyle case is probably the most terrifying miscarriage of justice you'll ever hear of.Scott_P said:Caption competition
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/741024437236011008
Woman commits suicide and leaves notes to the effect.
Police: "Nah, the husband did it..."0 -
My guess is Nigel for England but OGH deprecates such speculation.GIN1138 said:
Yes. Ali accused Ms Plato of vapid bilge (which I sadly missed)rcs1000 said:
The first time I saw it on PB was when SeanT used it in relation to an Ali thread header so I thought it had come from him but it didn't.
The only question now is who exactly IS the user Vapid Bilge? I thought maybe Runnymede (who seems to have disappeared recently) but not sure....0 -
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/736182717059072001Luckyguy1983 said:I've been doing a bit of research and found out (everyone else probably already knew this) that a percentage of Britain's DISTENDED overseas aid budget is called MULTILATERAL overseas development aid (as opposed to bilateral overseas development aid), and instead of being given to the needy, just gets bunged to big international organisations instead.
Guess what organisation takes the biggest cut of this multilateral overseas development aid? Correct - the European Commission. To be precise, in 2013, £813million to the European Commission, and £407million to the European Commission - European Development Fund. So that's well over a billion (I can't find 2015 figures, but international aid has gone up significantly since then) of British tax payers money going to the EU completely off the books. I suspect it's probably over £2 billion now, and potentially significant in this 'lying over the figures' debate.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/403381/SID-2014-revised-UNDP-figure-feb15.pdf0 -
Izzard is causing havoc on the panel, and not in a good way.0
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I don't call the United states ex empire but our errant colony!rcs1000 said:
I'm not sure the United States appreciates being called "ex-empire"MaxPB said:
That's actually not true, most of our exports at the time we joined the EEC were to ex-empire nations which suddenly had to pay tariffs to import our goods.nick said:Leave seem to have dropped the economics argument to focus on immigration, but I have no idea why they don't talk more about the common external tariff.
No customs are levied on goods travelling within the EU customs union but, unlike a free trade area, a common external tariff is imposed on all goods entering.
When we joined the EEC most of our trade was with its members, so arguably it made sense for us to be a member, but that's no longer the case. Technological improvements and the relative decline of the EU compared with the rest of the world (both factors which are unlikely to be reversed) mean we now trade more with countries outside the EU than we do with countries inside. Since most of our trade is now with countries outside the EU it makes sense for us to leave.
This is a strong and easy to explain economics based argument for us to leave. Are there problems with it? Can it be improved? Wikipedia has a page about the EU Customs Union here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Customs_Union
Someone in the audience of Qt just told Eddie to shut up. Long past time.
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Fair point.BenedictWhite said:
It is, but it isn't a country...rcs1000 said:
They don't get to send politicians to Westminster, so I think it's more of a colony.BenedictWhite said:
It is part of a country of 65 million.rcs1000 said:
£285m.BenedictWhite said:
Nothing wrong with building the airport, slightly disappointed that they didn't think the middle of the South Atlantic was windy and check first.rcs1000 said:
St Helena. GDP is about £10m. And they managed to spend £285m on an airport.MarkHopkins said:
£285 million pounds on an airport that can't open.
The German one? No.
Some EU nonsense? No.
It seems we're capable of screwing up all by ourselves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36493860
That's quite an achievement. That would be like London spending £20trillion on an airport.
Oh dear.
That's a staggering amount of money for a country with 4,000 people.
That's £500,000 per person.0 -
A true pb flounce.AlastairMeeks said:
No, returning the following Tuesday.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Like those wot threatened to leave London in 2008 prior to Boris becoming Mayor?AlastairMeeks said:
Preparing to leave the country.rcs1000 said:Two weeks today, I'm going to be eating a curry and drinking a pint.
What about you guys?0 -
That is terrifying.RodCrosby said:
The Gilfoyle case is probably the most terrifying miscarriage of justice you'll ever hear of.Scott_P said:Caption competition
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/741024437236011008
Woman commits suicide and leaves notes to the effect.
Police: "Nah, the husband did it..."0 -
Pulpstar said:
A true pb flounce.AlastairMeeks said:
No, returning the following Tuesday.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Like those wot threatened to leave London in 2008 prior to Boris becoming Mayor?AlastairMeeks said:
Preparing to leave the country.rcs1000 said:Two weeks today, I'm going to be eating a curry and drinking a pint.
What about you guys?
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Ok, I don't know anything about the case. But it isn't exactly unheard of for people to fake suicide notes to conceal crimes.RodCrosby said:
The Gilfoyle case is probably the most terrifying miscarriage of justice you'll ever hear of.Scott_P said:Caption competition
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/741024437236011008
Woman commits suicide and leaves notes to the effect.
Police: "Nah, the husband did it..."
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Just checked facebook, which is home to many, many lefties in my circle of friends. All of them had praise for Andrea, Boris, Gisella and Angela, less impressed by Sturgeon, completely unimpressed by Rudd.
Consensus:
Boris - finally being serious, speaking with passion
Andrea - who is she, why haven't we seen more from her
Gisella - same as above
Angela - wish she had a more prominent role in the Labour party
Sturgeon - why is she talking about climate change, it's important but irrelevant right now
Rudd - typically Tory, no soul0 -
If I were in government there is a lot I would do to make the economies of our territories grow,rcs1000 said:
Fair point.BenedictWhite said:
It is, but it isn't a country...rcs1000 said:
They don't get to send politicians to Westminster, so I think it's more of a colony.BenedictWhite said:
It is part of a country of 65 million.rcs1000 said:
£285m.BenedictWhite said:
Nothing wrong with building the airport, slightly disappointed that they didn't think the middle of the South Atlantic was windy and check first.rcs1000 said:
St Helena. GDP is about £10m. And they managed to spend £285m on an airport.MarkHopkins said:
£285 million pounds on an airport that can't open.
The German one? No.
Some EU nonsense? No.
It seems we're capable of screwing up all by ourselves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36493860
That's quite an achievement. That would be like London spending £20trillion on an airport.
Oh dear.
That's a staggering amount of money for a country with 4,000 people.
That's £500,000 per person.0 -
No, I expect Alex Salmond will be watching for the 999th time tooSunil_Prasannan said:Am I the only one watching Braveheart on Film 4?
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Berlisconi has aortic stenosis.GIN1138 said:
I think Viagra can cause cardio vascular problems long term???FrancisUrquhart said:Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is to have heart surgery after an attack that could have killed him, his doctor says.
The 79-year-old will undergo surgery by the middle of next week to replace a defective aortic valve, Alberto Zangrillo told reporters in Rome.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36490900
No more bunga bunga parties for a while...
AS is nasty, a cause of sudden cardiac death when it reaches a critical stage. Bunga Bunga could be fatal. Viagra as a vasodilator could precipitate a cardiovascular collapse but is not the cause of the AS.
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Yes, I did think of you when I wrote this post. All the greats are unrecognised in their lifetime...Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/736182717059072001Luckyguy1983 said:I've been doing a bit of research and found out (everyone else probably already knew this) that a percentage of Britain's DISTENDED overseas aid budget is called MULTILATERAL overseas development aid (as opposed to bilateral overseas development aid), and instead of being given to the needy, just gets bunged to big international organisations instead.
Guess what organisation takes the biggest cut of this multilateral overseas development aid? Correct - the European Commission. To be precise, in 2013, £813million to the European Commission, and £407million to the European Commission - European Development Fund. So that's well over a billion (I can't find 2015 figures, but international aid has gone up significantly since then) of British tax payers money going to the EU completely off the books. I suspect it's probably over £2 billion now, and potentially significant in this 'lying over the figures' debate.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/403381/SID-2014-revised-UNDP-figure-feb15.pdf0 -
Was it enough to warrant a "gate"? Vapidgate? Bilgegate?Luckyguy1983 said: 0 -
The Conservatives would be in desperate trouble if Benn was Labour leader.0
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Thanks Dr Fox.foxinsoxuk said:
Berlisconi has aortic stenosis.GIN1138 said:
I think Viagra can cause cardio vascular problems long term???FrancisUrquhart said:Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is to have heart surgery after an attack that could have killed him, his doctor says.
The 79-year-old will undergo surgery by the middle of next week to replace a defective aortic valve, Alberto Zangrillo told reporters in Rome.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36490900
No more bunga bunga parties for a while...
AS is nasty, a cause of sudden cardiac death when it reaches a critical stage. Bunga Bunga could be fatal. Viagra as a vasodilator could precipitate a cardiovascular collapse but is not the cause of the AS. 0 -
This my cue to get a plug in for the RidgeView estate at Ditchling. Superb sparkling wines (beat the Frog champagne on a blind taste), served at state banquets (including one for Obama) and fantastic value for money. Not only that, but even Mr. AlanBrooke, gent of this parish, conceded, after I had nagged him into trying one, that it was quite nice! Praise like that from an Ulsterman, almost unheard of.rcs1000 said:
Champagne???GIN1138 said:
I was thinking I might throw an EURef Party (like a Eurovision party only for geeks) with the champagne firmly on ice.rcs1000 said:Two weeks today, I'm going to be eating a curry and drinking a pint.
What about you guys?
England does some fantastic sparkling wines.
(Says the man drinking Italian wine.)
Just to be clear, although the estate is only a couple of miles away I have absolutely no financial interest or other in the place. Its just that having discovered the family's products I want share the good news.0 -
Ken Clarke?pinkrose said:0 -
Does it seem likely someone could con someone into writing the notes, then con them into climbing a step ladder and putting a rope around their neck?LucyJones said:
Ok, I don't know anything about the case. But it isn't exactly unheard of for people to fake suicide notes to conceal crimes.RodCrosby said:
The Gilfoyle case is probably the most terrifying miscarriage of justice you'll ever hear of.Scott_P said:Caption competition
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/741024437236011008
Woman commits suicide and leaves notes to the effect.
Police: "Nah, the husband did it..."
http://www.eddiegilfoyle.co.uk/#!quotes/cddq0 -
I s the person who decided on the composition of the Question Time panel a secret leaver? Eddie Izzard! Might go down well in Royston Vasey, I suppose.0
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Izzard doing a tremendous job tonight...
....of making Farage look statesmanlike.0 -
It was enough to warrant someone changing their un to VapidBilge. That must count for something.GIN1138 said:
Was it enough to warrant a "gate"? Vapidgate? Bilgegate?Luckyguy1983 said:0 -
I can vouch for Ridgeview. Was a wine journalist in a former life and have visited the winery to see how their sparkling 'Merret' is made. The rosé sparkling in particular was a winner. The French don't like it up 'em.0
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I would flee the country if we voted for Brexit, but work have put the kybosh on that.0
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in reference to the postal votes earlier
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/7410301889522647040 -
British Overaseas Territory. In fact, St Helena, Ascension Island and Tristan da Cunha form a single Overseas Territory.BenedictWhite said:
It is, but it isn't a country...rcs1000 said:
They don't get to send politicians to Westminster, so I think it's more of a colony.BenedictWhite said:
It is part of a country of 65 million.rcs1000 said:
£285m.BenedictWhite said:
Nothing wrong with building the airport, slightly disappointed that they didn't think the middle of the South Atlantic was windy and check first.rcs1000 said:
St Helena. GDP is about £10m. And they managed to spend £285m on an airport.MarkHopkins said:
£285 million pounds on an airport that can't open.
The German one? No.
Some EU nonsense? No.
It seems we're capable of screwing up all by ourselves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36493860
That's quite an achievement. That would be like London spending £20trillion on an airport.
Oh dear.
That's a staggering amount of money for a country with 4,000 people.
That's £500,000 per person.0 -
I'm not sure a great deal has changed really. 'The sick man of Europe' wasn't a comparison with Spain or Poland, it was with the original 6 members and maybe Scandanavia. How do we fare now? Well better than Italy I suppose but that's about it. For all the talk about job creation if you measure things in per capita income we aren't doing that well. France seems to be having a bit of a turbulent time mind.MaxPB said:
Unfortunately there have been quite a few Tories repeating this nasty piece of leftist revisionism. You should have corrected him.TheScreamingEagles said:
This evening I had to stand in silence and listen to a Labour IN campaigner explain that prior to joining the EU, we were the sick man of Europe, but after we joined, we no longer were thanks to the EU.JohnO said:Not mentioned so far I think, but Eagles sole purpose in the debate was to focus on Labour supporters to vote Remain, hence her partisan attacks on the Tories, but saying that "giving them a bloody nose" by voting to Leave would be a huge error. Ditto to a lesser extent Sturgeon more widely to those on the left.
It obviously grates with Tories (like me!) but it may have been an agreed tactic beforehand.
Agree that Leadsom and Stuart did well and Boris above par.
I really wanted to say no, it was thanks to f*cking Thatcher, but this was a family of voters who hates the f*cking Tories.0 -
Such a tease.pinkrose said:in reference to the postal votes earlier
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/7410301889522647040 -
Just back from the cinema. I assumed the debate would be on ITV Hub but can't see it! How can I catch-up. Wanted to do that before reading the threads!0
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Absolutely, thanks Doc. And also OKC earlier. One of my favourite things about PB is the vast resources of expertise that people freely share with fellow posters.GIN1138 said:
Thanks Dr Fox.foxinsoxuk said:
Berlisconi has aortic stenosis.GIN1138 said:
I think Viagra can cause cardio vascular problems long term???FrancisUrquhart said:Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is to have heart surgery after an attack that could have killed him, his doctor says.
The 79-year-old will undergo surgery by the middle of next week to replace a defective aortic valve, Alberto Zangrillo told reporters in Rome.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36490900
No more bunga bunga parties for a while...
AS is nasty, a cause of sudden cardiac death when it reaches a critical stage. Bunga Bunga could be fatal. Viagra as a vasodilator could precipitate a cardiovascular collapse but is not the cause of the AS.0 -
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I used to like AntiFrank. I'm not sure about this Meeks chap....Luckyguy1983 said:
It was enough to warrant someone changing their un to VapidBilge. That must count for something.GIN1138 said:
Was it enough to warrant a "gate"? Vapidgate? Bilgegate?Luckyguy1983 said:
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I was merely commenting about the suicide note and remarking that it doesn't, on its own, prove a miscarriage of justice. The recent TV dramatization of the Colin Howell case depicted a double murder which was treated as a suicide in part due to the existence of a suicide note.RodCrosby said:
Does it seem likely someone could con someone into writing the notes, then con them into climbing a step ladder and putting a rope around their neck?LucyJones said:
Ok, I don't know anything about the case. But it isn't exactly unheard of for people to fake suicide notes to conceal crimes.RodCrosby said:
The Gilfoyle case is probably the most terrifying miscarriage of justice you'll ever hear of.Scott_P said:Caption competition
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/741024437236011008
Woman commits suicide and leaves notes to the effect.
Police: "Nah, the husband did it..."
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All this EU peace crap is total guff.
1933 Germany - what is she on. The fact is there is an economic argument to remaining but the crap Eddie Izzard is coming out with...0 -
Just wait until 4 years time...Mortimer said:Izzard is causing havoc on the panel, and not in a good way.
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Well, sort of, an administrative unit. They in practice have separate governing arrangements.Sunil_Prasannan said:
British Overaseas Territory. In fact, St Helena, Ascension Island and Tristan da Cunha form a single Overseas Territory.BenedictWhite said:
It is, but it isn't a country...rcs1000 said:
They don't get to send politicians to Westminster, so I think it's more of a colony.BenedictWhite said:
It is part of a country of 65 million.rcs1000 said:
£285m.BenedictWhite said:
Nothing wrong with building the airport, slightly disappointed that they didn't think the middle of the South Atlantic was windy and check first.rcs1000 said:
St Helena. GDP is about £10m. And they managed to spend £285m on an airport.MarkHopkins said:
£285 million pounds on an airport that can't open.
The German one? No.
Some EU nonsense? No.
It seems we're capable of screwing up all by ourselves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36493860
That's quite an achievement. That would be like London spending £20trillion on an airport.
Oh dear.
That's a staggering amount of money for a country with 4,000 people.
That's £500,000 per person.
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I had this the other night. ITV is terrible and the debate won't be up until tomorrow (I'm going to catch up tomorrow night)JamesM said:Just back from the cinema. I assumed the debate would be on ITV Hub but can't see it! How can I catch-up. Wanted to do that before reading the threads!
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A relative of mine had a sudden cardiac death from aortic stenosis a few years back. It is something I still feel bad about, In retrospect there were clues.Mortimer said:
Absolutely, thanks Doc. And also OKC earlier. One of my favourite things about PB is the vast resources of expertise that people freely share with fellow posters.GIN1138 said:
Thanks Dr Fox.foxinsoxuk said:
Berlisconi has aortic stenosis.GIN1138 said:
I think Viagra can cause cardio vascular problems long term???FrancisUrquhart said:Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is to have heart surgery after an attack that could have killed him, his doctor says.
The 79-year-old will undergo surgery by the middle of next week to replace a defective aortic valve, Alberto Zangrillo told reporters in Rome.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36490900
No more bunga bunga parties for a while...
AS is nasty, a cause of sudden cardiac death when it reaches a critical stage. Bunga Bunga could be fatal. Viagra as a vasodilator could precipitate a cardiovascular collapse but is not the cause of the AS.-1 -
I love his byline:
'Comedian - Remain'0 -
Thanks Gin1138, that is shocking!! Will read pb.com and hope the analysis is balanced! :-)0
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Jesus wept. Eddie..0
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He'll be fine once Leave has won and the world hasn't caved in.GIN1138 said:
I used to like AntiFrank. I'm not sure about this Meeks chap....Luckyguy1983 said:
It was enough to warrant someone changing their un to VapidBilge. That must count for something.GIN1138 said:
Was it enough to warrant a "gate"? Vapidgate? Bilgegate?Luckyguy1983 said:
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Not "they" - the British Government paid for the airport!rcs1000 said:
St Helena. GDP is about £10m. And they managed to spend £285m on an airport.MarkHopkins said:
£285 million pounds on an airport that can't open.
The German one? No.
Some EU nonsense? No.
It seems we're capable of screwing up all by ourselves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36493860
That's quite an achievement. That would be like London spending £20trillion on an airport.0 -
Izzard is toxic for remain, exactly the sort of person they should avoid putting on television. completely off message too.0
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No - the British TAXPAYER paid - the government didn't pay for anything, they have no money of their own.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not "they" - the British Government paid for the airport!rcs1000 said:
St Helena. GDP is about £10m. And they managed to spend £285m on an airport.MarkHopkins said:
£285 million pounds on an airport that can't open.
The German one? No.
Some EU nonsense? No.
It seems we're capable of screwing up all by ourselves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36493860
That's quite an achievement. That would be like London spending £20trillion on an airport.0 -
I don't think they ever thought it would be easy. I don't think Cameron would have chosen the route he has if he did not think that it was very close and he needed to be aggressive and smash Leave, that he could not take the chance of sitting back.pinkrose said:Remain are rattled
https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/7410307808272302080 -
This 'Question Time' is where you're having a game of "doubles" pool where you have two competent players against a decent one and his partner who can't pot for toffee.0
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Gordon Brown personally studied the plans and approved them. It was a classic example of his getting bogged down in detail.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not "they" - the British Government paid for the airport!rcs1000 said:
St Helena. GDP is about £10m. And they managed to spend £285m on an airport.MarkHopkins said:
£285 million pounds on an airport that can't open.
The German one? No.
Some EU nonsense? No.
It seems we're capable of screwing up all by ourselves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36493860
That's quite an achievement. That would be like London spending £20trillion on an airport.0 -
I just want to remind you that St Helena is British.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not "they" - the British Government paid for the airport!rcs1000 said:
St Helena. GDP is about £10m. And they managed to spend £285m on an airport.MarkHopkins said:
£285 million pounds on an airport that can't open.
The German one? No.
Some EU nonsense? No.
It seems we're capable of screwing up all by ourselves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36493860
That's quite an achievement. That would be like London spending £20trillion on an airport.0 -
Aren't you scarpering to Vichy, I mean Paris?TheScreamingEagles said:I would flee the country if we voted for Brexit, but work have put the kybosh on that.
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Thank you very much. I will put an order in for 23 June.HurstLlama said:
This my cue to get a plug in for the RidgeView estate at Ditchling. Superb sparkling wines (beat the Frog champagne on a blind taste), served at state banquets (including one for Obama) and fantastic value for money. Not only that, but even Mr. AlanBrooke, gent of this parish, conceded, after I had nagged him into trying one, that it was quite nice! Praise like that from an Ulsterman, almost unheard of.rcs1000 said:
Champagne???GIN1138 said:
I was thinking I might throw an EURef Party (like a Eurovision party only for geeks) with the champagne firmly on ice.rcs1000 said:Two weeks today, I'm going to be eating a curry and drinking a pint.
What about you guys?
England does some fantastic sparkling wines.
(Says the man drinking Italian wine.)
Just to be clear, although the estate is only a couple of miles away I have absolutely no financial interest or other in the place. Its just that having discovered the family's products I want share the good news.
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I am really struggling to believe this. I think it will be close like 52/48 Remain on a 60% turnout.
https://twitter.com/IainDale/status/7410295554781429770 -
This kind of thing by Jeremy Corbyn is bound to win some votes for Leave:
http://i.imgur.com/TKkldpc.jpg0 -
You're right about that - Farage/Grayling playing a solid game, Benn quite good I think but all his work being undone by the manic Izzard and then some.Brom said:Izzard is toxic for remain, exactly the sort of person they should avoid putting on television. completely off message too.
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More details hereBenedictWhite said:
I just want to remind you that St Helena is British.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Not "they" - the British Government paid for the airport!rcs1000 said:
St Helena. GDP is about £10m. And they managed to spend £285m on an airport.MarkHopkins said:
£285 million pounds on an airport that can't open.
The German one? No.
Some EU nonsense? No.
It seems we're capable of screwing up all by ourselves...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36493860
That's quite an achievement. That would be like London spending £20trillion on an airport.
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I'll believe it when phone polls start showing it as 50:50.MP_SE said:I am really struggling to believe this. I think it will be close like 52/48 Remain on a 60% turnout.
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Indeed but political forecasts are not his forteFrankBooth said:0
