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Basildon, Laindon Park and Fryerns (Lab defence) on Essex
Result of council at last election (2013): Conservatives 42, Labour 9, Liberal Democrats 9, United Kingdom Independence Party 9, Greens 2, Canvey Island Independent 1, Independent 1, Ratepayers 1, Tendring First 1 (Conservative majority of 9)
Result of ward at last election (2013) :

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited June 2016
    Primo?

    Thanks Harry for keeping up with these, it's a great record.

    Quote of the day "The Lib Dems have a London disaster area" ;)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167
    edited June 2016
    Rasmussen General Election national
    Clinton 42 Trump 38
    http://www.rasmussenrepPenorts.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch

    Pennsylvania PPP
    Clinton 44 Trump 44

    4-way Clinton 41 Trump 40 Johnson 6 Stein 3

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_PA_60816.pdf
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Basildon: UKIP gain
    Lincs: Labour hold
    Gipsy Hill: Labour hold
    Surrey Docks: LibDem hold
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    Sandpit said:

    Primo?

    Thanks Harry for keeping up with these, it's a great record.

    Quote of the day "The Lib Dems have a London disaster area" ;)

    It is also where the bulk of their members are.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited June 2016
    HYUFD said:

    Rasmussen General Election national
    Clinton 42 Trump 38
    http://www.rasmussenrepPenorts.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch

    Pennsylvania PPP
    Clinton 44 Trump 44

    4-way Clinton 41 Trump 40 Johnson 6 Stein 3

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_PA_60816.pdf

    Those polls don't reflect the odds available for Clinton and Trump.
    4.4 on Betfair for the Donald, good for a trading bet even if you don't think it's value in itself.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Martin Armstrong interview right now, where he will say why a Brexit is so vital:

    http://www.richieallen.co.uk/
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    All these politicians jumping to different sides feels like a really crap game of Top Trumps.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Sandpit said:

    Primo?

    Thanks Harry for keeping up with these, it's a great record.

    Quote of the day "The Lib Dems have a London disaster area" ;)

    Yes, I hear it's called London.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I was YouGov'd over Julia Etchingham's performance on the other debate - I wasn't very impressed. Let's see if she's better after all the feedback.
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    Casino - You need to repost your 7:26pm post on the previous thread .... too few will have seen it.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
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    The idea is simple: You're on the go and there is an app that might be useful to you but you don't know it exists. Nearby will let you know about such apps.

    https://android.googleblog.com/2016/06/introducing-nearby-new-way-to-discover.html

    Within 50 feet of a politician, will it advice you about apps such bullshit detector 2016?
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Amber Rudd is a bad choice with her stifled delivery and lispy voice. Soubry though grating knows how to get a rise out of Boris and would have been a better choice.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited June 2016
    Like Izzard, I remember he used to be funny...talking of which if you suffer from any health problems, I highly recommend you AVOID BBC One at 10.30pm this evening...A QT line up so bad, I would rather watch US Top Gear.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Amber Rudd quite strong there - the I'm A Mother card.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    Yeah, Nicola starts by acknowledging how her position looks stupid.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,369
    PlatoSaid said:

    Amber Rudd quite strong there - the I'm A Mother card.

    Yes she was and very fair from you Plato
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Brom said:

    Amber Rudd is a bad choice with her stifled delivery and lispy voice. Soubry though grating knows how to get a rise out of Boris and would have been a better choice.

    Given her TV background, Soubry does get a bit rude too often.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167
    There is certainly more of a case for saying the NW is a swing region in EU ref than the SW which is why Boris was there and Osborne has been to Greater Manchester many times too
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Adios amigos, time differences mean I'll catch up on the debate in the morning. Have fun!
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    pinkrosepinkrose Posts: 189
    edited June 2016
    I think it might be better for Leave if a few polls come out that have Remain ahead. This is just anecdotal but quite a few people have said they want/think Remain will win but they are voting Leave because they dont want a big Remain win, they want it to be close. It also may explain pollsters recording big majorities predicting a Remain win but polls on voting intentions are closing.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659
    Angela Eagle isn't going to be Labour leader.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292

    Angela Eagle isn't going to be Labour leader.

    I always get confused, which one is she, the crap sister or the really crap sister?
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Twitter is even more pointless for following the debate... cheerleaders lamely cheering their team... yawn.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Interesting angle from Leave - EU is old fashioned.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    PlatoSaid said:

    Interesting angle from Leave - EU is old fashioned.

    Steve Hilton copyrighted....
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    PlatoSaid said:

    Interesting angle from Leave - EU is old fashioned.

    It is. Free nation trading blocks and bi lateral trading deals are the future not arcane political organisations.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659

    Casino - You need to repost your 7:26pm post on the previous thread .... too few will have seen it.

    Can't on an iPhone!
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Angela Eagle isn't going to be Labour leader.

    She's missing her HoC energy. Quiet feeble - I'm surprised.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    PlatoSaid said:

    Interesting angle from Leave - EU is old fashioned.

    It is spot on.

    It's a last century answer.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,369
    SeanT said:

    Gisela and Angela surprisingly bad

    Andrea and Amber surprisingly good

    Sturgeon and Boris.. hmm....

    Agreed
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659
    So far this is Amber versus Andrea.
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    Angela Eagle looks like a Geography teacher and Amber Rudd the Head of a school explaining why their GCSE results are so bad.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    This feels very stilted.
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Andrea is good and believable, think she might bring more to the table than Gisela or Boris.
    I switch off when Nicola speaks, her aggressive approach is unsettling.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Gipsy Hill?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659
    Gisela relies on notes too much. Otherwise she's ok, but she has to look at the camera.
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    GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Sturgeon is utterly repellent.
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    Sandpit said:

    Adios amigos, time differences mean I'll catch up on the debate in the morning. Have fun!

    Buenos noches.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Nice one from Gisela about the terms under which she entered the UK.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    kle4 said:

    Gipsy Hill?

    I just accidentally hit the "off topic" button on your post - apologies.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Sturgeon is utterly repellent.

    Although British voters now trust her more on the EU than Cameron (according to YouGov).
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    chestnut said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Interesting angle from Leave - EU is old fashioned.

    It is spot on.

    It's a last century answer.
    Perhaps thats how Leave can win over the yuff...The EU is like twitter....embrace leave, its like SnapChat....
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Leave murdering Remain on immigration, which is to be expected.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    SeanT said:

    Sturgeon is a bad choice because everything she says is ridiculous, given her Scot Nationalism

    I agree - she's a good performer with the sound off.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659
    Gisela and Boris both emphasising they are immigrants or have immigrant roots.

    Fighting back against attempts to smear with Farage labels.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    SeanT said:

    Boris better now. Eloquent.

    Yes, Rudd's cheap Number 10 shot leaves her fair game for some Blue on Blue attacks.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Sturgeon wilfully misleading as usual - Gisele putting them straight.
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    Gisella just nailed that.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659
    SeanT said:

    Boris better now. Eloquent.

    Agreed. Always a slow starter.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    hunchman said:

    Martin Armstrong interview right now, where he will say why a Brexit is so vital:

    http://www.richieallen.co.uk/

    Wait: I thought it was irrelevant because the EU will collapse in the next four years anyway.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Golly Eagles has gone all party political - bad move.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    FPT at the request of PTP from @CasinoRoyale
    John_M said:
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    Well, given that the front page of the report acknowledged that it was funded by the ESRC through the 'UK in a changing Europe', it's at least a point.

    I think we'll have to disagree; it doesn't quantify the risks in any meaningful way, lay reader or not. It just asserts there are risks.

    I don't have a particular issue with the IFS report per se. My concern is that modelling has an inglorious record (to save others trawling through the report, the forecasts for Britains GDP in 2030 range from -9.5% to +0.6% compared to noBrexit, ie the opportunity cost ranges from ~.75% p.a. to very slightly positive). If financial models were better, I'd have more confidence in them.
    The intro tickled me where he basically says we all got the 2008 crash wrong, but we all agree now, so listen to us this time.

    Paul Johnson has spent his whole career in the civil service, think-tanks, or academia, including several big papers during the New Labour years.

    I'm not saying he's been bought, or paid for, but that does breed a certain kind of thinking. And the IFS, in particular, has a real hold over Government, despite reaching questionable conclusions in the past. For example, it has came out basically saying marriage doesn't matter a few years ago.

    The Spectator was right in 2011:

    "There is no great conspiracy here, but a simple truth: organisations which rely on tax money will always make the case for higher taxes. The ‘institutes’ funded by research grants
    (which means, usually, tax money) will always argue for more expensive meddling by the state. These groups dislike the idea that society will be better and stronger if people are given greater freedom, and allowed to keep more of their money. Freedom, to the institutes, is messy and chaotic. There must be projects, judged by complicated spreadsheets, with billions in taxpayers’ money behind them.

    The most striking example is the Institute for Fiscal Studies. It has tremendous influence over government life, and in the era where Gordon Brown was concealing basic facts from the people whose money he was spending, it was relied upon to give a clearer picture. But the sheer volume and quality of its reports gave it power over the government that is not, even now, understood. Its device for measuring poverty — to calculate how many millions were above and below a ‘poverty line’ — took over the entire debate. Instead of tackling poverty, Brown tried to manipulate the IFS spreadsheets, so those just beneath the poverty line could be nudged above it and described as being ‘lifted out of poverty’. Those affected would be amazed to find themselves so described."

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/2011/07/leading-article-the-power-of-ideas/
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    Gisela relies on notes too much. Otherwise she's ok, but she has to look at the camera.

    I think it's just a matter of experience
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Gisella just nailed that.

    it was the correct answer to a silly point. Obviously the underlying issue is the Australians can decide their immigration level, so if they want it high that is their choice.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Leadsome impressive. Remain just can't answer on controlling immigration.
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    handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    The Australia argument is such a weak one for anyone not completely ignorant of geography - not surprised it was skewered
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Wow - Rudd is in the same party as me.

    Hastening my exit at the moment...
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    As mentioned earlier today , the Basildon CC seat is composed of 3 DC wards . Labour won 2 last month , UKIP won 1 . Labour had a lead of 146 votes overall .
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    GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    No one can be convinced by Sturgeon can they?
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,177
    Andrea and Gisela more sympathetic.
    Angela, Amber and Nicola too hectoring.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    Boris needs to reemphasise the renegotiation point - "I genuinely thought we could get something meaningful, we didn't".
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659
    Nicola trying too hard and talking too quickly.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    I find this nonsense of 'saving' MPs to come out for either Remain or Leave in the final 14 days up to the vote deeply distateful. Its effectively saying 'let's compete to see who can get the better celebs / opinion formers to come out for either side, and you the electorate will make your mind off the back of that'. Well sorry, I critically evaluate the facts and arguments and historical evidence. I don't need celebrities to act as opinion formers for me, I'll do that off my own back thank you.

    Farage's Cologne comments, the risible £350m NHS claim and now the MP's joining at the 'last minute' have really annoyed me on the leave side, even though obviously I'm passionately for the leave campaign. Obviously the ridiculous economic scaremongering, altering the deadline for voter registration, and fear campaign that the remain campaign have run as well as demonising Farage and the risible 'little Englander' mentality haven't surprised me in the least. But this is a campaign which has plumbed the depths in British political history in my lifetime as far as I'm concerned.

    I remember thinking that when 24 hour news came in over 20 years ago now with Sky News that it would give time for serious evaluation and examination of arguments and debates. Its funny how my initial view proved to be 180 degrees wrong, and just how dumbed down the mainstream media has become. But for me personally, that's a wider reflection on where we stand in the time honoured 309.6 year cycle that appears to govern the rise and fall of civilizations and countries. If we view the founding of the UK as the Act of Union between England and Scotland on 1st May 1707, then the end of that cycle falls due on 5th / 6th December this year. I think that something interesting is going to happen around then. In my dreams that will be the date when that notorious address on Finchley Road finally comes out into the mainstream..........allow me to dream for once!
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    Format helping Boris. Remain trying to attack him but Gisella and Andrea blunt those attacks.

    Also Remain acting like this is a GE attacking the Tories first Leave second.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659
    Amber keeps using the "levelling with the British people" line..
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205

    Format helping Boris. Remain trying to attack him but Gisella and Andrea blunt those attacks.

    Also Remain acting like this is a GE attacking the Tories first Leave second.

    The Remainers aren't acknowledging each other. Boris backing up Andrea and conferring with Gisela - it looks like they are a team.
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    alex. said:
    Many thanks for the link.
    Someone was arguing in the pub this evening that in the 60's the legal limit was 13.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Mortimer said:

    Wow - Rudd is in the same party as me.

    Hastening my exit at the moment...

    Mortimer said:

    Wow - Rudd is in the same party as me.

    Hastening my exit at the moment...

    I'd love it if I was in Hastings and could meet Rudd as my MP and completely take her apart over global warming, ahem climate change.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563
    Can anyone help me. Are the monies that the EU makes from the common external tariff included when calculating members' financial contributions? IE - 'the money we pay to the EU'?
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    GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Amber Rudd going personal on Boris has riled me right up.
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    tlg86 said:

    Format helping Boris. Remain trying to attack him but Gisella and Andrea blunt those attacks.

    Also Remain acting like this is a GE attacking the Tories first Leave second.

    The Remainers aren't acknowledging each other. Boris backing up Andrea and conferring with Gisela - it looks like they are a team.
    Yes. Its SNP / Labour / Tory Vs Leave.

    Its like Remain havent shown up.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Leadsom should be party leader.

    Tremendous performance.

    I bet Cameron is QUAKING!
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    handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    LEAVE very well-drilled on "take back control", seems to show up in every other response.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    tlg86 said:

    Format helping Boris. Remain trying to attack him but Gisella and Andrea blunt those attacks.

    Also Remain acting like this is a GE attacking the Tories first Leave second.

    The Remainers aren't acknowledging each other. Boris backing up Andrea and conferring with Gisela - it looks like they are a team.
    I'm finding the tone from Remain quite shouty - Leave sound a lot more measured.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    Martin Armstrong interview right now, where he will say why a Brexit is so vital:

    http://www.richieallen.co.uk/

    Wait: I thought it was irrelevant because the EU will collapse in the next four years anyway.
    That's my personal view, which I admit is at odds with what Armstrong thinks.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659

    Format helping Boris. Remain trying to attack him but Gisella and Andrea blunt those attacks.

    Also Remain acting like this is a GE attacking the Tories first Leave second.

    Vote Leave are working as a team here. The Remain side are not.

    That's a big advantage.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659
    Boris trying to link wages to immigration.

    Interesting.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Armstrong: "GDP growth peaked in 1973 at which point we joined the EU and has been declining ever since."

    Absolutely, and we'd do better shot of the EU. But you won't hear that in the debate going on now.
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    I'm loving the fact that Eagle and Sturgeon taking the opportunity to hammer the Tories at the same time as Leave.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,563

    LEAVE very well-drilled on "take back control", seems to show up in every other response.

    Shame it's not a very effective theme.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,177
    Nicola and Angela made the mistake of going ad hom.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    I have to admit, I do wonder if the meme that the £350m line is a "lie" might really damage the Leave Campaign (sticking to the real figure of £200m or whatever it is would've been damaging enough).
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659
    Eagle got a good hit in: "get that lie off your bus"
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Armstrong: "You objected to 72 EU measure and you lost on absolutely everyone of them"

    Quite!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659
    Andrea Leadsom giving very good answer on the £350m figure.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,369

    Eagle got a good hit in: "get that lie off your bus"

    First applause from the audience
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,978
    Leadsom explaining that 350 million figure nicely
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Very good from Leadsom on paypacket analogy.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,593
    Amber Rudd for next Tory leader!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    Andrea is the good cop to Boris's bad cop on the £350m figure.
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    remain women trying to gang up on Boris is clearly a tactic, much like last year with Wood, Sturgeon and Bennett attacking Farage. Luckilly he has Andrea to help blunt the attacks
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    handandmousehandandmouse Posts: 213
    edited June 2016
    Not sure REMAIN are doing themselves any favours repeating £350m/week again and again, even if it's to argue the toss about where it goes and how much of it we get back.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659

    Eagle got a good hit in: "get that lie off your bus"

    First applause from the audience
    Ah, I post something 'positive' for Remain, and up you pop.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Danny565 said:

    I have to admit, I do wonder if the meme that the £350m line is a "lie" might really damage the Leave Campaign (sticking to the real figure of £200m or whatever it is would've been damaging enough).

    Either number sounds a lot to most people. Just like when they say cuts of $1bn or £1.5bn, one is 50% more, both in the grand scheme of GDP nothing, but they sound enormous to the average voter.
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    Leave 1 - 0 after first question.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    Andrea Leadsom giving very good answer on the £350m figure.

    Yep, it's about control, not so much the cost itself.
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