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On unemployment benefit of EU migrants without a job, Neil is slaughtering Osborne.0
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Very true. Andrew Neil is so well prepared.FrancisUrquhart said:Sounds like Andrew Neil is showing (again) all the other clowns who work in the political media how to do it...
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Just let them chat amongst themselves. Its really quite entertaining reading. The gist of its the same every day.EPG said:
This is an example of the bad-faith slanging and refusal to engage with opposing arguments that is poisoning PB comments and repelling those who disagree with the ever-narrowing consensus.Casino_Royale said:
That europhile dictionary in full:EPG said:Why exactly would Denmark leave Europe after Brexit?
I fear this is just the LEAVE campaign engaging in a bit of jingoism. We don't want to be part of Europe, we want Europe to follow us.
Patriotism: leading Europe by giving up more powers to the EU and not influencing it
Jingoism: leading Europe by setting an example outside the EU and actually influencing it
Basically anything Cameron does is bad. He's really a Lib Dem., Gove is God, they aren't racist whatever they say, if they lose it will be because the referendums unfair. And all remainers are rude and sneer at them. (Yes the lack of self perception is astonishing).
Occasionally you get a new special. Today's have included accusing the government of rigging the referendum by allowing people to register to vote( this is bad). Oh and now we are virtual high fiving each other on our ability to vote.
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This is starting to remind me of that infamous Terry Wogan interview of David Icke0
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Remind us who you went out and campaigned for to be the C of E just 12 months ago . A good piece of judgement of yours there - not .PlatoSaid said:Even if it doesn't shift a vote, this is extremely amusing telly
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I am actually quite good at cognitive dissonance. I call it as I see it.MikeL said:
Nobody on this site - not you, not me, not anyone else, is a good judge of whether or not he is succeeding - because everyone on here is a million times more interested in politics than the average voter.Casino_Royale said:
Yebbut it's not working. Andrew is making him look a laughing stock.MikeL said:Osborne has one objective in this interview - to make people think leaving the EU is risky.
People on here may follow the minutiae of the debate - that is all irrelevant to 95% of viewers.
Honestly, I'm *trying* to be scared, just to put myself in the shoes of a floating voter, but I'm just laughing at him.
But, I take your broader point. No-one can truly do that.0 -
Pity Andrew Neil couldn't have done the renegotiation!0
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He won't do it, but I wish Andrew Neil would put it to Osborne that the country need high immigration to hide the fact that the Chancellor is a busted flush.0
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I lose track, is it even days when Leavers think it's ok for the losing side to try to sabotage the referendum result?Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
That'll prove about as accurate as one of his borrowing forecasts.Casino_Royale said:Osborne admits purpose of referendum is to try and close down EU as an issue for this century.
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The audience of this programme will very largely be people highly interested in politics - Coronation Street is on the other side for one thing, and it's a lovely evening.MikeL said:
Nobody on this site - not you, not me, not anyone else, is a good judge of whether or not he is succeeding - because everyone on here is a million times more interested in politics than the average voter.Casino_Royale said:
Yebbut it's not working. Andrew is making him look a laughing stock.MikeL said:Osborne has one objective in this interview - to make people think leaving the EU is risky.
People on here may follow the minutiae of the debate - that is all irrelevant to 95% of viewers.
Honestly, I'm *trying* to be scared, just to put myself in the shoes of a floating voter, but I'm just laughing at him.
Which clips will be run by the news, and themes picked up by the newspapers will be more important I guess.0 -
Osborne's face as Neil plays him clips of Cameron.
And a bitch slap over not debating from Neil0 -
Brilliant using Cameron turkey EU speech!0
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Cameron to turkey - i will remain your strongest advocate for eu membership0
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Trouble is that Osborne is good at strategy and crafting headline numbers, messages and attack lines but it all falls apart under forensic analysis and scrutiny.
That's why he hasn't gone up against Andrew Neil until now.0 -
Of course. But, there is no doubt that as a job interview to be our next PM Osborne is failing very badly. Unfit to play a leading political role.MikeL said:
Nobody on this site - not you, not me, not anyone else, is a good judge of whether or not he is succeeding - because everyone on here is a million times more interested in politics than the average voter.Casino_Royale said:
Yebbut it's not working. Andrew is making him look a laughing stock.MikeL said:Osborne has one objective in this interview - to make people think leaving the EU is risky.
People on here may follow the minutiae of the debate - that is all irrelevant to 95% of viewers.
Honestly, I'm *trying* to be scared, just to put myself in the shoes of a floating voter, but I'm just laughing at him.
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You have a strong view on the subject.Casino_Royale said:
I am actually quite good at cognitive dissonance. I call it as I see it.MikeL said:
Nobody on this site - not you, not me, not anyone else, is a good judge of whether or not he is succeeding - because everyone on here is a million times more interested in politics than the average voter.Casino_Royale said:
Yebbut it's not working. Andrew is making him look a laughing stock.MikeL said:Osborne has one objective in this interview - to make people think leaving the EU is risky.
People on here may follow the minutiae of the debate - that is all irrelevant to 95% of viewers.
Honestly, I'm *trying* to be scared, just to put myself in the shoes of a floating voter, but I'm just laughing at him.
But, I take your broader point. No-one can truly do that.
The only person's view I would be interested in would be someone totally detached from the issue - ie someone who doesn't live in the UK and hasn't seen any of the people or arguments beforehand.0 -
When I heard Andrew Neil bring up Turkey I thought "not sure about this", but he's still managed to make Osborne look shifty.0
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Pushing the 'Nigel Farage's Britain' line and 'fighting for the soul of Britain' now and getting very squeaky and shouty as he does it.0
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The comparison between him and Marr is staggering. Osborne on a desperate rant now!TCPoliticalBetting said:
Very true. Andrew Neil is so well prepared.FrancisUrquhart said:Sounds like Andrew Neil is showing (again) all the other clowns who work in the political media how to do it...
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Oh dear me. Turkey is killing him. That £1bn quid is a horror for Remain.0
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Osborne banging on about Nigel Farage, repeating the name as much as possible.0
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Andrew Neil 3 Osborne 00
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I thought Andrew Neil should have done more like he did with Matt Hancock and the CBI.
We'll have to see it in the news to see if it moves anyone.0 -
I'm not feeling that's going to work, it's personal and we all know Farage.Morris_Dancer said:Osborne banging on about Nigel Farage, repeating the name as much as possible.
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Fair enough.MikeL said:
You have a strong view on the subject.Casino_Royale said:
I am actually quite good at cognitive dissonance. I call it as I see it.MikeL said:
Nobody on this site - not you, not me, not anyone else, is a good judge of whether or not he is succeeding - because everyone on here is a million times more interested in politics than the average voter.Casino_Royale said:
Yebbut it's not working. Andrew is making him look a laughing stock.MikeL said:Osborne has one objective in this interview - to make people think leaving the EU is risky.
People on here may follow the minutiae of the debate - that is all irrelevant to 95% of viewers.
Honestly, I'm *trying* to be scared, just to put myself in the shoes of a floating voter, but I'm just laughing at him.
But, I take your broader point. No-one can truly do that.
The only person's view I would be interested in would be someone totally detached from the issue - ie someone who doesn't live in the UK and hasn't seen any of the people or arguments beforehand.
I think it's the undecided and very soft Remainers who'd be the most releveant (who are also registered and very likely to vote) but that's just me.0 -
Mr. White, the 'worst than the First World War' line?
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Sorry that honour belongs to the Remain side who have been claiming Parliament can ignore it.AlastairMeeks said:
I lose track, is it even days when Leavers think it's ok for the losing side to try to sabotage the referendum result?Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
That'll prove about as accurate as one of his borrowing forecasts.Casino_Royale said:Osborne admits purpose of referendum is to try and close down EU as an issue for this century.
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To paraphrase Neil "We are fighting for truth"
You exaggerated the claims for the economy, you promised people restrictions on immigration and failed, you promised Turkey would join and now you say it wont, "Why would the British people trust you?"0 -
That was brutal.
Going to be interesting to see how Farage and IDS stand up.
Mr Neil is having a good campaign.0 -
Um. No. Another Mark Senior classic fiction.MarkSenior said:It is quite amusing to note how many of Leavers on here proudly announcing they have just used their postal votes to vote Leave are the same posters who in the past frequently whinge about postal voting and post that its use should be severely curtailed .
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He's trying to milk the ITV Q&A for all it's worth.PlatoSaid said:
I'm not feeling that's going to work, it's personal and we all know Farage.Morris_Dancer said:Osborne banging on about Nigel Farage, repeating the name as much as possible.
It should lose salience once Boris, Andrea and Gisela get stuck in tomorrow (all of whom are sensible, but Boris really needs to get his tone and pitch right, and give the performance of his life)0 -
Miss Plato, there was no 'Nigel Farage's Little England' though.
Some people are squeamish about being on the same side as Farage (Blair may be the equivalent for the other side).0 -
Farage and IDS are probably going tobe taken apart, IDS more so as he has a Govt record to justify and he is not strong on economic matters. They should have put Andrea up instead. Perhaps IDS needs a convenient illness?welshowl said:That was brutal.
Going to be interesting to see how Farage and IDS stand up.
Mr Neil is having a good campaign.
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Isabel Hardman is full of wisdom, as usual
https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/7406177032962785280 -
Douglas Carswell MP retweeted
Laura Kuenssberg
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Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak
Osborne looks v uncomfortable as he's shown clip of PM saying we'd be ok outside EU0 -
Sorry I missed that.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. White, the 'worst than the First World War' line?
Indeed.
Who said what would be worse that the first world war?0 -
Douglas Carswell
Do you want to be on the same side as George Osborne on June 23rd? #BBCDebate0 -
Fun evening down the pub.
A group of us meet regularly for a pint. All ABs runnibg their own businesses. I thought I'd be the only Leaver but we split 3-3. Same arguments as on PB; remainers worried about their wallets leavers worried on wider range of issues.0 -
Describing Osbourne as human is stretching thing a bit far isn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:Isabel Hardman is full of wisdom, as usual
https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/740617703296278528
That said I was hoping for better punches from Andrew Neil.0 -
Mr. White, I only saw a clip, but Neil (on the Daily Politics, I think) asked, with some incredulity, whether leaving the EU would really be worse than the recession after the financial crisis, the Great Depression, or World War One.0
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My 15-year-old daughter got an email yesterday from Stronger In, basically asking her to tweet anti-Farage messages during yesterday's debate. There were a few "reminders" as to how nasty he is, presumably for a bit of encouragement. E.g. "He calls gays f**s" and "He doesn't think migrants should be treated for AIDS on the NHS".Morris_Dancer said:Osborne banging on about Nigel Farage, repeating the name as much as possible.
My daughter isn't old enough to vote, but she did show me the email and comment that: "They don't give a single reason to vote In, they just make it sound like a way to get at Farage. It is a really important decision and they make it sound like it all comes down to how best to spite one man?!?".0 -
You mean you didn't watch Andrew Neil dismantle Lord Voldemort?Alanbrooke said:Fun evening down the pub.
A group of us meet regularly for a pint. All ABs runnibg their own businesses. I thought I'd be the only Leaver but we split 3-3. Same arguments as on PB; remainers worried about their wallets leavers worried on wider range of issues.0 -
Yes, exactly that one. I was hoping he would do a barn stormer like that.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. White, I only saw a clip, but Neil (on the Daily Politics, I think) asked, with some incredulity, whether leaving the EU would really be worse than the recession after the financial crisis, the Great Depression, or World War One.
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Get Dan the Man on instead.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Farage and IDS are probably going tobe taken apart, IDS more so as he has a Govt record to justify and he is not strong on economic matters. They should have put Andrea up instead. Perhaps IDS needs a convenient illness?welshowl said:That was brutal.
Going to be interesting to see how Farage and IDS stand up.
Mr Neil is having a good campaign.0 -
If a 15 year old can see through that (I would expect most would) then an 18 year old will.LucyJones said:
My 15-year-old daughter got an email yesterday from Stronger In, basically asking her to tweet anti-Farage messages during yesterday's debate. There were a few "reminders" as to how nasty he is, presumably for a bit of encouragement. E.g. "He calls gays f**s" and "He doesn't think migrants should be treated for AIDS on the NHS".Morris_Dancer said:Osborne banging on about Nigel Farage, repeating the name as much as possible.
My daughter isn't old enough to vote, but she did show me the email and comment that: "They don't give a single reason to vote In, they just make it sound like a way to get at Farage. It is a really important decision and they make it sound like it all comes down to how best to spite one man?!?".
Very poor.0 -
Rehearsals for the position of obscure backbencher, meanwhile, continue apace.Casino_Royale said:Osborne is just pushing attack lines here, "for people watching this programme" and doing a lot of frowning at Neil.
Not a Prime Ministerial performance so far.
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Everyone is going to struggle in an interview with Andrew Neil - he is by far the toughest interviewer - so everyone he is interviewing in this series - ie Benn, Osborne, Farage and IDS is going to come out looking pretty battered.
Given that, the objective of the interviewee has to just be to get their message across. Osborne's over-riding message was that Leave = Risky - jobs lost, inflation up, interest rates up, mortgages up, pensioners worse off.
All he wants is for that to seep deeper into people's minds - hoping to tip some waverers - if not now then maybe as late as in the polling station.
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Agreed.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Get Dan the Man on instead.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Farage and IDS are probably going tobe taken apart, IDS more so as he has a Govt record to justify and he is not strong on economic matters. They should have put Andrea up instead. Perhaps IDS needs a convenient illness?welshowl said:That was brutal.
Going to be interesting to see how Farage and IDS stand up.
Mr Neil is having a good campaign.
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Miss Jones, that's rather unappealing (I'd suggest raising it on Twitter, if you tweet, although with things febrile you might get some dung flung your way).
Your daughter, on the other hand, sounds like a sensible young lady. I blame her mother.0 -
It is a dish best eaten cold.tlg86 said:
You mean you didn't watch Andrew Neil dismantle Lord Voldemort?Alanbrooke said:Fun evening down the pub.
A group of us meet regularly for a pint. All ABs runnibg their own businesses. I thought I'd be the only Leaver but we split 3-3. Same arguments as on PB; remainers worried about their wallets leavers worried on wider range of issues.
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Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.0 -
Huh? Farage is very definitely the Dark Lord. George is Snape.tlg86 said:
You mean you didn't watch Andrew Neil dismantle Lord Voldemort?Alanbrooke said:Fun evening down the pub.
A group of us meet regularly for a pint. All ABs runnibg their own businesses. I thought I'd be the only Leaver but we split 3-3. Same arguments as on PB; remainers worried about their wallets leavers worried on wider range of issues.0 -
It is also that leading politicians don't get much practice as they do everything possible to avoid them. I have said this before we should have pm, CoE etc and their shadows on qt course of times a year & other debates / interviews. There is now no regular programme that does long form interviews with politicians anymore.MikeL said:Everyone is going to struggle in an interview with Andrew Neil - he is by far the toughest interviewer - so everyone he is interviewing in this series - ie Benn, Osborne, Farage and IDS is going to come out looking pretty battered.
Given that, the objective of the interviewee has to just be to get their message across. Osborne's over-riding message was that Leave = Risky - jobs lost, inflation up, interest rates up, mortgages up, pensioners worse off.
All he wants is for that to seep deeper into people's minds - hoping to tip some waverers - if not now then maybe as late as in the polling station.0 -
In what way are Leavers seeking to sabotage the result?AlastairMeeks said:
I lose track, is it even days when Leavers think it's ok for the losing side to try to sabotage the referendum result?Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
That'll prove about as accurate as one of his borrowing forecasts.Casino_Royale said:Osborne admits purpose of referendum is to try and close down EU as an issue for this century.
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Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.0 -
He's more Malfoymidwinter said:
Huh? Farage is very definitely the Dark Lord. George is Snape.tlg86 said:
You mean you didn't watch Andrew Neil dismantle Lord Voldemort?Alanbrooke said:Fun evening down the pub.
A group of us meet regularly for a pint. All ABs runnibg their own businesses. I thought I'd be the only Leaver but we split 3-3. Same arguments as on PB; remainers worried about their wallets leavers worried on wider range of issues.0 -
I thought Andrew Neill was very well-behaved.
Osborne was never going to answer the questions but Neill allowed himself to be shouted down. You can be evasive without being charmless but Osborne has still to learn this. Neill also allowed Osborne to ramble off with his prepared sound bites.
He had effective counter punches, but settled for a light touch on the cheek as Osborne furiously back-pedalled.
I don't like Osborne, so I'm probably biased, but if he was Pinocchio, his nose would have been scratching Neill's cheek.
The 200,000 annual immigrants assumed by the Treasury for their figures, vigorously promoted by George, was a hoot. I'm still waiting for Remain to explain. I suspect I shall wait forever. "It's that Farage, he's a racist, you know." Rinse and repeat.0 -
I remain content with my ante-post voucher on 4-6 Democrat win,now 4-11,and should be 1-4-it's the demographics.0
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Just one problem. Osborne is regarded as a Leader by only 2% of the voters. TWO EFFING PER CENT..........MikeL said:Osborne's over-riding message was that Leave = Risky - jobs lost, inflation up, interest rates up, mortgages up, pensioners worse off.
All he wants is for that to seep deeper into people's minds - hoping to tip some waverers - if not now then maybe as late as in the polling station.
98 percent of people who see it are likely to conclude that there is that non entity talking away and arguing with Mr Neil who has been on our tv sets for 40+ years and speaks with authority compared to that Osborne bloke who looks shifty, is a bit nasty and 3 out of 4 of us did not vote for his party a year ago.....
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I expect Neil to give Farage and IDS a good going over. But it's worth remembering that both of them have given many interviews to Neil over the years so that experience might help them a bit.0
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Lots of very tetchy Remain in my timeline0
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I've not been watching it, but if that's what Neil said, he was incorrect. The Treasury analysis doesn't forecast 200,000 a year; it assumes 200,000 (actually 185,000) a year (whether in or out of the EU). The document explicitly states that this is not a forecast.TCPoliticalBetting said:Neill "You promised to cut net migration to under 100,000 and the Treasury document forecasts 200,000 a year....."
Bullseye.0 -
I'm not sure that Farage is the bogeyman that Cameron and Osborne think. On EU matters, most Tories agree with Farage.0
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IDS is trusted by more voters than Cameron. An amazing fact.midwinter said:
Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.
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One of my friends went from voting Green to voting for IDS due to some of the fantastic constituency work he has done.midwinter said:
Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.0 -
IDS gets a lot of abuse on here, I've seen him 4x on TV during the campaign and he's been excellent.MP_SE said:
One of my friends went from voting Green to voting for IDS due to some of the fantastic constituency work he has done.midwinter said:
Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.0 -
I watched the Osborne interview before reading PB.
I am SHIOCKED to find the Brexiteers thought Osborne did badly.0 -
Right, I have just set up and sent my first twat.
How does this work? What do I do?0 -
Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Jones, that's rather unappealing (I'd suggest raising it on Twitter, if you tweet, although with things febrile you might get some dung flung your way).
Your daughter, on the other hand, sounds like a sensible young lady. I blame her mother.
Yes, she is sensible. She is (or would be) a Leaver. As is my 10-year-old (who will shout "Yay! Vote Leave!" whenever we see a roadside sign. (Incidently, I have seen at least half a dozen Vote Leave placards around the town - Sevenoaks- where I live, and nothing for Remain. Not sure what that proves, if anything).
I don't tweet. But the text from the email is below (my daughter's name is Lucy, btw):
"Tonight leading Leave spokesperson Nigel Farage will be on ITV, unleashing his irresponsible lies and untruths about the EU.
Here are some of the things Nigel Farage has said over the years:
•He described gay people as ‘fags'
•He told women if they want to breastfeed, they should do it ‘in the corner’
•He said foreigners with HIV should not be treated on the NHS – and thinks our health service should be privatised anyway
•He told supporters to ‘bully people’ into voting to leave Europe
Will you be bullied by Nigel Farage, Lucy? Donate today to take a stand against Farage and UKIP – and stop them dragging us out of Europe.
Tonight Farage will be on ITV, from 9pm, and we need everyone to get out there on Twitter and Facebook to fight back against his dangerous lies.
Because what he won’t mention tonight is that if we leave the EU, it’s hardworking British families that will be hit the hardest – with jobs lost, prices rising and our economy hit.
Lucy - we can’t let Farage win. Donate now and let’s take the fight to him, Michael Gove and Boris Johnson in this vital referendum."
Thank you,
Lucy Thomas,
Deputy Director
Stronger IN Campaign"
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The lies from Osborne were just piled up. At no point can I recall him admitting a mistake, correcting it, saying sorry and moving on. Which is the mark of a good Leader.CD13 said:I don't like Osborne, so I'm probably biased, but if he was Pinocchio, his nose would have been scratching Neill's cheek.
The 200,000 annual immigrants assumed by the Treasury for their figures, vigorously promoted by George, was a hoot. I'm still waiting for Remain to explain.
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Include a cat videoCasino_Royale said:Right, I have just set up and sent my first twat.
How does this work? What do I do?0 -
Lucy Thomas,LucyJones said:
Here are some of the things Nigel Farage has said over the years:Morris_Dancer said:Miss Jones, that's rather unappealing (I'd suggest raising it on Twitter, if you tweet, although with things febrile you might get some dung flung your way).
Your daughter, on the other hand, sounds like a sensible young lady. I blame her mother.
•He described gay people as ‘fags'
•He told women if they want to breastfeed, they should do it ‘in the corner’
•He said foreigners with HIV should not be treated on the NHS – and thinks our health service should be privatised anyway
•He told supporters to ‘bully people’ into voting to leave Europe
.....................Thank you, Lucy Thomas, Deputy Director Stronger IN Campaign"
Deputy Director
Stronger IN the Shite Campaign"
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I have searched my timeline for panicking Remainers in the wake of Osborne's "car crash" interview.
Can't find any
Found this though
@MrHarryCole: Hear @sarahwollaston has quit @vote_leave and will be on the warpath tomorrow...0 -
Hmmmmm of all the ludicrouMP_SE said:
One of my friends went from voting Green to voting for IDS due to some of the fantastic constituency work he has done.midwinter said:
Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.
How can he be trusted on anything. This is his third go at trashing the Tories. Stabbed 2 PMs in the back and without doubt the worst leader ever.TCPoliticalBetting said:
IDS is trusted by more voters than Cameron. An amazing fact.midwinter said:
Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.
Of all the ludicrous claims made during this Referendum his that he resigned because of disability benefits was the most laughable.0 -
IDS was a terrible party leader, but that doesn't make him a terrible politician per se. And Osborne, up until now, has been quite an adept (i.e. devious) politician. But that doesnt mean I'd trust him to water my garden.TCPoliticalBetting said:
IDS is trusted by more voters than Cameron. An amazing fact.midwinter said:
Got to say I won't vote for anything IDS is fronting.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.0 -
Shlocked?Scott_P said:I watched the Osborne interview before reading PB.
I am SHIOCKED to find the Brexiteers thought Osborne did badly.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shlocked
Ok, but what was your careful calm assessment of Osborne's performance and its effect?0 -
Well I'm in Greece on the 23rd, what would have me do, fly back to vote? Idiot.MarkSenior said:It is quite amusing to note how many of Leavers on here proudly announcing they have just used their postal votes to vote Leave are the same posters who in the past frequently whinge about postal voting and post that its use should be severely curtailed .
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Dont worry Scott on my pub gents straw poll it was 6-0 to Osborne is a wanker even among the regular Tory voters.Scott_P said:I watched the Osborne interview before reading PB.
I am SHIOCKED to find the Brexiteers thought Osborne did badly.0 -
And IDS is Peter Pettigrewasjohnstone said:
He's more Malfoymidwinter said:
Huh? Farage is very definitely the Dark Lord. George is Snape.tlg86 said:
You mean you didn't watch Andrew Neil dismantle Lord Voldemort?Alanbrooke said:Fun evening down the pub.
A group of us meet regularly for a pint. All ABs runnibg their own businesses. I thought I'd be the only Leaver but we split 3-3. Same arguments as on PB; remainers worried about their wallets leavers worried on wider range of issues.0 -
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Wow. And urgh.LucyJones said:Morris_Dancer said:Miss Jones, that's rather unappealing (I'd suggest raising it on Twitter, if you tweet, although with things febrile you might get some dung flung your way).
Your daughter, on the other hand, sounds like a sensible young lady. I blame her mother.
Yes, she is sensible. She is (or would be) a Leaver. As is my 10-year-old (who will shout "Yay! Vote Leave!" whenever we see a roadside sign. (Incidently, I have seen at least half a dozen Vote Leave placards around the town - Sevenoaks- where I live, and nothing for Remain. Not sure what that proves, if anything).
I don't tweet. But the text from the email is below (my daughter's name is Lucy, btw):
"Tonight leading Leave spokesperson Nigel Farage will be on ITV, unleashing his irresponsible lies and untruths about the EU.
Here are some of the things Nigel Farage has said over the years:
•He described gay people as ‘fags'
•He told women if they want to breastfeed, they should do it ‘in the corner’
•He said foreigners with HIV should not be treated on the NHS – and thinks our health service should be privatised anyway
•He told supporters to ‘bully people’ into voting to leave Europe
Will you be bullied by Nigel Farage, Lucy? Donate today to take a stand against Farage and UKIP – and stop them dragging us out of Europe.
Tonight Farage will be on ITV, from 9pm, and we need everyone to get out there on Twitter and Facebook to fight back against his dangerous lies.
Because what he won’t mention tonight is that if we leave the EU, it’s hardworking British families that will be hit the hardest – with jobs lost, prices rising and our economy hit.
Lucy - we can’t let Farage win. Donate now and let’s take the fight to him, Michael Gove and Boris Johnson in this vital referendum."
Thank you,
Lucy Thomas,
Deputy Director
Stronger IN Campaign"0 -
Osborne does not have any feel for the views of the Tories... and it shows.Sean_F said:I'm not sure that Farage is the bogeyman that Cameron and Osborne think. On EU matters, most Tories agree with Farage.
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Mr. CD13, I agree, Neil was a bit too soft.
Mr. Midwinter, well, that's up to you. I'd be uncomfortable allowing someone else to dictate my opinion, whether that's agreeing with them or simply assuming the opposite position.
Miss Jones, that, coupled with Osborne's Nigel Farage pub drinking game repetition, suggests Remain's new tactic is to bang endlessly on about him.0 -
Don't do cats!PlatoSaid said:
Include a cat videoCasino_Royale said:Right, I have just set up and sent my first twat.
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It will have no effect whatsoeverTCPoliticalBetting said:Ok, but what was your careful calm assessment of Osborne's performance and its effect?
But I thought he gave as good as he got. Compared to Hilary Benn it was a masterclass in dealing with Andrew Neil. I expect he is quite happy with it, as are others in my timeline (clearly I follow different people to Plato, although she regularly posts the same things I do...)
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As in with the shlocking or some other aspect?Alanbrooke said:
Dont worry Scott on my pub gents straw poll it was 6-0 to Osborne is a wanker even among the regular Tory voters.Scott_P said:I watched the Osborne interview before reading PB.
I am SHIOCKED to find the Brexiteers thought Osborne did badly.
(innocent face)
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Mr P.
Being a fan of Osborne, can you explain to me how George trumpets the £4,300 figures which assume a migration rate close to 200,000 a year until 2030, and then claims the fewer than 100,000 a year promise by Dave is not a lie?
I know politicians tell porkies but holding two contradictory opinions at once suggests mental illness.
A clue ... The correct answer isn't "Farage is a racist, so there."
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Defect to whom?
@JGForsyth: Unconfirmed rumours in Westminster tonight that @sarahwollaston is going to defect from Vote Leave tomorrow & criticise £350 million figure0 -
My missus is watching The Only Way is Essex so I missed Ozzy. Thankfully I have LeaveB.com to inform me that it was a car crash!!0
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It has always been the refuge of lefties that they cry "he's a racist". Tonight we had Osborne do the same. I thought -41% rating with conservative members was the bottom, but maybe there is room for a further drop?CD13 said:The 200,000 annual immigrants assumed by the Treasury for their figures, vigorously promoted by George, was a hoot. I'm still waiting for Remain to explain. I suspect I shall wait forever. "It's that Farage, he's a racist, you know." Rinse and repeat.
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If she's going to defect to Remain, then she's a principled, patriotic lioness.0
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That's true, I don't. If Galloway talks sense on an issue I am with him. Seldom happens but there you go.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. White, depends on the individual. Some people do base their view on which side to support upon not wanting to be on the same side as Farage (whereas Tony Blair and Jeremy Corbyn are fine).
We've seen it on this site.0 -
Now, where are all the Brexiteers who were bigging her up as a potential future leader?TheScreamingEagles said:Defect to whom?
@JGForsyth: Unconfirmed rumours in Westminster tonight that @sarahwollaston is going to defect from Vote Leave tomorrow & criticise £350 million figure0 -
Remain should bide their time. Don't preempt her!TheScreamingEagles said:The sign of a winning campaign
https://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/740626909835464704
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George Osborne is a much improved media performer and was brave of him to be interviewed by Andrew Neil. I suspected he would get torn to pieces over that Treasury report and he certainly was. The media are going to have a field day for years to come, as they have so much bullshit (sorry information) at their disposal.
Companies like Airbus are going to get absolutely p----d off with being a political football and this could have consequences regardless of the referendum.
VoteLeave now have the problem that they were most worried about, that Nigel Farage would be seen as the face of Leave. Will be interesting to see if this sticks.0 -
That appears to be the consensus viewJobabob said:My missus is watching The Only Way is Essex so I missed Ozzy. Thankfully I have LeaveB.com to inform me that it was a car crash!!
@MSmithsonPB: . @IsabelHardman Strangely Vote Leave is madly Tweeting that this was car crash for Osborne.
If by consensus you mean people who hate Osborne0
