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If things get really sticky for the Remain campaign during the final week Cameron should publish thousands of manifestos titled An Invitation To Join The Government of Europe. He could get a top class graphic designer to put a photo of a destitute Greek pensioner on the front.
That'll win over the undecided.0 -
Fenster said:
If things get really sticky for the Remain campaign during the final week Cameron should publish thousands of manifestos titled An Invitation To Join The Government of Europe. He could get a top class graphic designer to put a photo of a destitute Greek pensioner on the front.
That'll win over the undecided.
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It's not enough to LEAVE, LEAVE wants the EU to fall apart as well.chestnut said:
Which is close to the ideal outcome. Ideally the Irish would as well.HYUFD said:
Fine but Sweden and Denmark would be leaving with usMP_SE said:Europe's biggest investor, Mohamed El-Erian on Brexit:
“There are two fundamental divisions of the EU: There’s the British view — that it’s a super free-trade zone, that it’s a destination. Whereas the Germany-France view is that it’s a means to something else — to an ever closer union. These are fundamentally two very different views on what the EU is about. If the referendum [results in the U.K. remaining in the union], we don’t resolve these different views. It means we are going to have tensions over and over again, because they are pursuing two different objectives, within one institutional agreement. So, ironically, over the longer term, an exit may actually solve one of the basic inconsistencies of the European Union.”
http://order-order.com/2016/06/08/europes-biggest-investor-brexit-good-for-eu/
Essentially, some in LEAVE seem to want a new European Union arranged with Britain alone in the driving seat, and for the rest of the actually existing Europe to fall apart.
I'm guessing that in particular, the days of Ireland following the UK belong in Empire nostalgia.0 -
Eye Spy MP @eyespymp
Sir Danny Alexander overheard suggesting Leave will win 51:49 on his way out of the QE2 conference centre yesterday.0 -
They only joined because we were going to so they couldn't afford not to. Similarly they stayed out of Schenegan rather than risk the common travel area.EPG said:
It's not enough to LEAVE, LEAVE wants the EU to fall apart as well.chestnut said:
Which is close to the ideal outcome. Ideally the Irish would as well.HYUFD said:
Fine but Sweden and Denmark would be leaving with usMP_SE said:Europe's biggest investor, Mohamed El-Erian on Brexit:
“There are two fundamental divisions of the EU: There’s the British view — that it’s a super free-trade zone, that it’s a destination. Whereas the Germany-France view is that it’s a means to something else — to an ever closer union. These are fundamentally two very different views on what the EU is about. If the referendum [results in the U.K. remaining in the union], we don’t resolve these different views. It means we are going to have tensions over and over again, because they are pursuing two different objectives, within one institutional agreement. So, ironically, over the longer term, an exit may actually solve one of the basic inconsistencies of the European Union.”
http://order-order.com/2016/06/08/europes-biggest-investor-brexit-good-for-eu/
Essentially, some in LEAVE seem to want a new European Union arranged with Britain alone in the driving seat, and for the rest of the actually existing Europe to fall apart.
I'm guessing that in particular, the days of Ireland following the UK belong in Empire nostalgia.
Like it or not they are an economic dependency of the UK if not a political one..
Its not unthinkable.
However tbe EU is an illegal crime syndicate with no right even to exist so us leaving causing its collapse would be a bonus to many brexiter
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The Dutch were the most likely after Sweden and Denmark because of their electoral cycle in our analysis. If we do leave and make a decent go of it, there will be a lot of pressure on the mainstream parties to offer an in/out referendum there because the PVV are definitely going to have one.HYUFD said:
The Irish are in the Eurozone and benefit too much from EU largesse, possible the Czechs, Hungarians and Poles could leave too thoughchestnut said:
Which is close to the ideal outcome. Ideally the Irish would as well.HYUFD said:
Fine but Sweden and Denmark would be leaving with usMP_SE said:Europe's biggest investor, Mohamed El-Erian on Brexit:
“There are two fundamental divisions of the EU: There’s the British view — that it’s a super free-trade zone, that it’s a destination. Whereas the Germany-France view is that it’s a means to something else — to an ever closer union. These are fundamentally two very different views on what the EU is about. If the referendum [results in the U.K. remaining in the union], we don’t resolve these different views. It means we are going to have tensions over and over again, because they are pursuing two different objectives, within one institutional agreement. So, ironically, over the longer term, an exit may actually solve one of the basic inconsistencies of the European Union.”
http://order-order.com/2016/06/08/europes-biggest-investor-brexit-good-for-eu/
Poland and Hungary are even bigger beneficiaries of EU largess than the Irish, if they vote to leave then I think the EU will be in even bigger trouble than we currently think is possible.
This is how it goes down after Brexit IMO:
UK
Sweden Denmark
Ireland
Finland
Netherlands
France? (election in Spring 2017, Les Republicans may be backed into a corner by MLP into having a referendum)0 -
Wasn't planning on posting much whilst away in that most fabulous of places, an Island off the coast of France which is not in the EU, but today's triumphalism my Remainians about the voting registration extension takes me back to the day it was announced that the saviour of the Labour Party Russell Brand would be backing Miliband. That endorsement was going to get Miliband over the line, right?
All together now: what's the problem with appealing to non-voters?0 -
'Controlled explosion' of suspected car bomb outside Israeli Embassy in Kensington
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3631801/Road-closed-police-incident-central-London.html0 -
I think that's a misrepresentation. I'd be very happy to see the Eurozone pursue the necessary steps towards ever closer union. They're going to be miserable if they don't.EPG said:
It's not enough to LEAVE, LEAVE wants the EU to fall apart as well.chestnut said:
Which is close to the ideal outcome. Ideally the Irish would as well.HYUFD said:
Fine but Sweden and Denmark would be leaving with usMP_SE said:Europe's biggest investor, Mohamed El-Erian on Brexit:
“There are two fundamental divisions of the EU: There’s the British view — that it’s a super free-trade zone, that it’s a destination. Whereas the Germany-France view is that it’s a means to something else — to an ever closer union. These are fundamentally two very different views on what the EU is about. If the referendum [results in the U.K. remaining in the union], we don’t resolve these different views. It means we are going to have tensions over and over again, because they are pursuing two different objectives, within one institutional agreement. So, ironically, over the longer term, an exit may actually solve one of the basic inconsistencies of the European Union.”
http://order-order.com/2016/06/08/europes-biggest-investor-brexit-good-for-eu/
Essentially, some in LEAVE seem to want a new European Union arranged with Britain alone in the driving seat, and for the rest of the actually existing Europe to fall apart.
I'm guessing that in particular, the days of Ireland following the UK belong in Empire nostalgia.
Other countries (obviously outside the EZ) would do better just treating the EU as a trading bloc. It's all about pragmatism.0 -
Why exactly would Denmark leave Europe after Brexit?
I fear this is just the LEAVE campaign engaging in a bit of jingoism. We don't want to be part of Europe, we want Europe to follow us.0 -
Not quite, well not as far as I am concerned.EPG said:
It's not enough to LEAVE, LEAVE wants the EU to fall apart as well.chestnut said:
Which is close to the ideal outcome. Ideally the Irish would as well.HYUFD said:
Fine but Sweden and Denmark would be leaving with usMP_SE said:Europe's biggest investor, Mohamed El-Erian on Brexit:
“There are two fundamental divisions of the EU: There’s the British view — that it’s a super free-trade zone, that it’s a destination. Whereas the Germany-France view is that it’s a means to something else — to an ever closer union. These are fundamentally two very different views on what the EU is about. If the referendum [results in the U.K. remaining in the union], we don’t resolve these different views. It means we are going to have tensions over and over again, because they are pursuing two different objectives, within one institutional agreement. So, ironically, over the longer term, an exit may actually solve one of the basic inconsistencies of the European Union.”
http://order-order.com/2016/06/08/europes-biggest-investor-brexit-good-for-eu/
Essentially, some in LEAVE seem to want a new European Union arranged with Britain alone in the driving seat, and for the rest of the actually existing Europe to fall apart.
I'm guessing that in particular, the days of Ireland following the UK belong in Empire nostalgia.
I take the view that we left the EU, or it left us, back in 1999,
At the moment we are trying to have one leg in the door and one out. We aren't alone in that.
The existing three tier arrangement of EZ,EU,EFTA needs rationalising back to two.
Let the people who want to press ahead with building a single country get on with it, unimpeded by our reluctance.
Let's be good friends and neighbours with them, trade freely, help with safety but we don't need to move in and marry them. We don't need to tell them how to run their house, and they should show us the same courtesy.
The Ireland thing is about economic and geographic entanglement, not empire.0 -
Also, for @Casino_Royale, as my pen hovered over the ballot paper, the last vestiges of doubt about a leave vote were cast out the moment Dave called us "little Englanders". The sneering attitude of the remain side has driven me away from them more than I thought it would.0
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Well done, sir!MaxPB said:Also, for @Casino_Royale, as my pen hovered over the ballot paper, the last vestiges of doubt about a leave vote were cast out the moment Dave called us "little Englanders". The sneering attitude of the remain side has driven me away from them more than I thought it would.
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Good evening, everyone.
Mr. 124, must confess to being a shade surprised. It is interesting to see just how the traditional fault lines don't really apply to this referendum.
Mr. Royale, more importantly, the octo-lemur have forecast a 52/48 Leave victory. However, they might be taking the piss (it can be rather hard to tell).0 -
Denmark is outside the Euro and overwhelmingly voted against it in a referendum on the subject, if the EU sees Brexit as giving the green light to full integration it will lose more members outside the EurozoneEPG said:Why exactly would Denmark leave Europe after Brexit?
I fear this is just the LEAVE campaign engaging in a bit of jingoism. We don't want to be part of Europe, we want Europe to follow us.0 -
Because they aren't in the EMU and they would have lost their largest non-EMU partner. Especially as the only other nation with a permanent EMU opt-out, it leaves them looking extremely lonely without us fighting in the same corner.EPG said:Why exactly would Denmark leave Europe after Brexit?
I fear this is just the LEAVE campaign engaging in a bit of jingoism. We don't want to be part of Europe, we want Europe to follow us.0 -
Except extending voting registration potentially gets thousands more Remain voters to the polls, Russell Brand endorsing Miliband may even have lost him votes it certainly did not win him anyMortimer said:Wasn't planning on posting much whilst away in that most fabulous of places, an Island off the coast of France which is not in the EU, but today's triumphalism my Remainians about the voting registration extension takes me back to the day it was announced that the saviour of the Labour Party Russell Brand would be backing Miliband. That endorsement was going to get Miliband over the line, right?
All together now: what's the problem with appealing to non-voters?0 -
Hero. Well done, Max.MaxPB said:I have crossed the Leave box on my postal vote, signed it and sealed the envelope. I will post it tomorrow morning on the walk up to the station. I am officially a Leave voter!
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Poland and Hungary are both outside the Euro and have nationalist governments, if a Eurozone member like Ireland, Finland, the Netherlands or France left, especially the latter two, the entire Union would collapse and the Euro with itMaxPB said:
The Dutch were the most likely after Sweden and Denmark because of their electoral cycle in our analysis. If we do leave and make a decent go of it, there will be a lot of pressure on the mainstream parties to offer an in/out referendum there because the PVV are definitely going to have one.HYUFD said:
The Irish are in the Eurozone and benefit too much from EU largesse, possible the Czechs, Hungarians and Poles could leave too thoughchestnut said:
Which is close to the ideal outcome. Ideally the Irish would as well.HYUFD said:
Fine but Sweden and Denmark would be leaving with usMP_SE said:Europe's biggest investor, Mohamed El-Erian on Brexit:
“There are two fundamental divisions of the EU: There’s the British view — that it’s a super free-trade zone, that it’s a destination. Whereas the Germany-France view is that it’s a means to something else — to an ever closer union. These are fundamentally two very different views on what the EU is about. If the referendum [results in the U.K. remaining in the union], we don’t resolve these different views. It means we are going to have tensions over and over again, because they are pursuing two different objectives, within one institutional agreement. So, ironically, over the longer term, an exit may actually solve one of the basic inconsistencies of the European Union.”
http://order-order.com/2016/06/08/europes-biggest-investor-brexit-good-for-eu/
Poland and Hungary are even bigger beneficiaries of EU largess than the Irish, if they vote to leave then I think the EU will be in even bigger trouble than we currently think is possible.
This is how it goes down after Brexit IMO:
UK
Sweden Denmark
Ireland
Finland
Netherlands
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Interesting. Thanks!MaxPB said:Also, for @Casino_Royale, as my pen hovered over the ballot paper, the last vestiges of doubt about a leave vote were cast out the moment Dave called us "little Englanders". The sneering attitude of the remain side has driven me away from them more than I thought it would.
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You did write that the ideal outcome was for a wave of countries in Northern Europe to leave the EU, including the partial dismantling of the euro area, presumably for them to enter the UK's sphere of Atlantic/North Sea economic influence.chestnut said:
Not quite, well not as far as I am concerned.EPG said:
It's not enough to LEAVE, LEAVE wants the EU to fall apart as well.chestnut said:
Which is close to the ideal outcome. Ideally the Irish would as well.HYUFD said:
Fine but Sweden and Denmark would be leaving with usMP_SE said:Europe's biggest investor, Mohamed El-Erian on Brexit:
“There are two fundamental divisions of the EU: There’s the British view — that it’s a super free-trade zone, that it’s a destination. Whereas the Germany-France view is that it’s a means to something else — to an ever closer union. These are fundamentally two very different views on what the EU is about. If the referendum [results in the U.K. remaining in the union], we don’t resolve these different views. It means we are going to have tensions over and over again, because they are pursuing two different objectives, within one institutional agreement. So, ironically, over the longer term, an exit may actually solve one of the basic inconsistencies of the European Union.”
http://order-order.com/2016/06/08/europes-biggest-investor-brexit-good-for-eu/
Essentially, some in LEAVE seem to want a new European Union arranged with Britain alone in the driving seat, and for the rest of the actually existing Europe to fall apart.
I'm guessing that in particular, the days of Ireland following the UK belong in Empire nostalgia.
I take the view that we left the EU, or it left us, back in 1999,
At the moment we are trying to have one leg in the door and one out. We aren't alone in that.
The existing three tier arrangement of EZ,EU,EFTA needs rationalising back to two.
Let the people who want to press ahead with building a single country get on with it, unimpeded by our reluctance.
Let's be good friends and neighbours with them, trade freely, help with safety but we don't need to move in and marry them. We don't need to tell them how to run their house, and they should show us the same courtesy.
The Ireland thing is about economic and geographic entanglement, not empire.
So basically what they already have in Europe, except with no say in the economic direction of this trading bloc, which would be dominated by the UK.
But Empire is over, there's no getting it back.0 -
Gawd, the Europhobes on here are becoming a self-help group like Alcoholics Anonymous without even the redeeming feature of offering us a lively backstory.0
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Seems to have been a false alert - but someone's wife isn't going to be too happy.HYUFD said:'Controlled explosion' of suspected car bomb outside Israeli Embassy in Kensington
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3631801/Road-closed-police-incident-central-London.html0 -
Nah, it potentially gets thousands more eligible electors on the register.HYUFD said:
Except extending voting registration potentially gets thousands more Remain voters to the polls, Russell Brand endorsing Miliband may even have lost him votes it certainly did not win him anyMortimer said:Wasn't planning on posting much whilst away in that most fabulous of places, an Island off the coast of France which is not in the EU, but today's triumphalism my Remainians about the voting registration extension takes me back to the day it was announced that the saviour of the Labour Party Russell Brand would be backing Miliband. That endorsement was going to get Miliband over the line, right?
All together now: what's the problem with appealing to non-voters?
If people have not registered by now, they're very unlikely to remember/bother to vote on the 23rd.0 -
I can't think of anything that might go wrong.TCPoliticalBetting said:Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
On Friday, apparently Stronger In coalition has agreed that it will be Labour's turn to "dominate" the media. *Ed Miliband* is the star turn0 -
Nothing more enjoyable than seeing a rattled undecided Eurofanatic.AlastairMeeks said:Gawd, the Europhobes on here are becoming a self-help group like Alcoholics Anonymous without even the redeeming feature of offering us a lively backstory.
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If they are motivated enough to register to vote there is more than a chance they will then actually go to the polling station, once registered they get their poll card too reminding them when polling day is and where to voteMortimer said:
Nah, it potentially gets thousands more eligible electors on the register.HYUFD said:
Except extending voting registration potentially gets thousands more Remain voters to the polls, Russell Brand endorsing Miliband may even have lost him votes it certainly did not win him anyMortimer said:Wasn't planning on posting much whilst away in that most fabulous of places, an Island off the coast of France which is not in the EU, but today's triumphalism my Remainians about the voting registration extension takes me back to the day it was announced that the saviour of the Labour Party Russell Brand would be backing Miliband. That endorsement was going to get Miliband over the line, right?
All together now: what's the problem with appealing to non-voters?
If people have not registered by now, they're very unlikely to remember/bother to vote on the 23rd.0 -
Yes near the Cambridgesweejonnie said:
Seems to have been a false alert - but someone's wife isn't going to be too happy.HYUFD said:'Controlled explosion' of suspected car bomb outside Israeli Embassy in Kensington
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3631801/Road-closed-police-incident-central-London.html0 -
@MP_SE If all the site's Leavers are going to tell us one by one that they've found a pen and worked out how to use it, it's going to make for very dull reading in the coming fortnight.0
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Lol!!!AlastairMeeks said:Gawd, the Europhobes on here are becoming a self-help group like Alcoholics Anonymous without even the redeeming feature of offering us a lively backstory.
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How to lose the Scottish Remain Vote
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/david-cameron-raises-risk-scotland-leaving-uk-after-brexit#comment-759326000 -
"We still believe around 30% of people won't vote" says @benatipsosmori #ipsosmorilive0
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Mr. Meeks, one day, you too might break your euro-addiction. It can be tough, but we'll be here to support you when that day comes.0
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Lord Bamford of JCB writes a simple and to the point letter to his employees telling them why he's #VoteLeave https://t.co/fUv5LCFZVk0
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That europhile dictionary in full:EPG said:Why exactly would Denmark leave Europe after Brexit?
I fear this is just the LEAVE campaign engaging in a bit of jingoism. We don't want to be part of Europe, we want Europe to follow us.
Patriotism: leading Europe by giving up more powers to the EU and not influencing it
Jingoism: leading Europe by setting an example outside the EU and actually influencing it0 -
This is an example of the bad-faith slanging and refusal to engage with opposing arguments that is poisoning PB comments and repelling those who disagree with the ever-narrowing consensus.Casino_Royale said:
That europhile dictionary in full:EPG said:Why exactly would Denmark leave Europe after Brexit?
I fear this is just the LEAVE campaign engaging in a bit of jingoism. We don't want to be part of Europe, we want Europe to follow us.
Patriotism: leading Europe by giving up more powers to the EU and not influencing it
Jingoism: leading Europe by setting an example outside the EU and actually influencing it0 -
Another piece of PR brilliance: isn't friday the opening day of the European football competition?Sean_F said:
I can't think of anything that might go wrong.TCPoliticalBetting said:Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
On Friday, apparently Stronger In coalition has agreed that it will be Labour's turn to "dominate" the media. *Ed Miliband* is the star turn0 -
France v. Romania - 7.15pm UK timerottenborough said:
Another piece of PR brilliance: isn't friday the opening day of the European football competition?Sean_F said:
I can't think of anything that might go wrong.TCPoliticalBetting said:Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
On Friday, apparently Stronger In coalition has agreed that it will be Labour's turn to "dominate" the media. *Ed Miliband* is the star turn0 -
At least Leavers HAVE a pen - Remainers are less sophisticated and use biros or felt-tips.AlastairMeeks said:@MP_SE If all the site's Leavers are going to tell us one by one that they've found a pen and worked out how to use it, it's going to make for very dull reading in the coming fortnight.
Quink Rules OK!0 -
Right, come on Neil!0
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I have just done the same. The other 3 in the household are also for LEAVE. It is time to let those who want a single european state go and do that. I hope it is a Safe European Home for them and not a Clash of cultures..MaxPB said:I have crossed the Leave box on my postal vote, signed it and sealed the envelope. I will post it tomorrow morning on the walk up to the station. I am officially a Leave voter!
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Errr, I'm not sure you're in control of anything George!0
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Osborne admits purpose of referendum is to try and close down EU as an issue for this century.0
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I think that the people of Denmark should hold a referendum - and I am quite happy to abide by their decision.
Unfortunately the EU isn't.0 -
How far is the extension of registration going to be?0
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It is a lovely warm evening in southern england.AlastairMeeks said:@MP_SE If all the site's Leavers are going to tell us one by one that they've found a pen and worked out how to use it, it's going to make for very dull reading in the coming fortnight.
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Cameron from November0 -
Midnight tomorrowMorris_Dancer said:How far is the extension of registration going to be?
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You dish it out, but you can't take it.EPG said:
This is an example of the bad-faith slanging and refusal to engage with opposing arguments that is poisoning PB comments and repelling those who disagree with the ever-narrowing consensus.Casino_Royale said:
That europhile dictionary in full:EPG said:Why exactly would Denmark leave Europe after Brexit?
I fear this is just the LEAVE campaign engaging in a bit of jingoism. We don't want to be part of Europe, we want Europe to follow us.
Patriotism: leading Europe by giving up more powers to the EU and not influencing it
Jingoism: leading Europe by setting an example outside the EU and actually influencing it
It's ok, I get it.0 -
Ha! Great comeback from Neil on the credit ratings agencies!0
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A majority of Scots voted to stay in the UK and new polls show they would still do so even after Brexit but it could give a few pause south of the borderweejonnie said:How to lose the Scottish Remain Vote
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/08/david-cameron-raises-risk-scotland-leaving-uk-after-brexit#comment-759326000 -
Miss Plato, cheers.0
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Hmm. There are many ways to play the dictionary game:Casino_Royale said:
That europhile dictionary in full:EPG said:Why exactly would Denmark leave Europe after Brexit?
I fear this is just the LEAVE campaign engaging in a bit of jingoism. We don't want to be part of Europe, we want Europe to follow us.
Patriotism: leading Europe by giving up more powers to the EU and not influencing it
Jingoism: leading Europe by setting an example outside the EU and actually influencing it
Cutting red tape: slashing rights for mothers-to-be and holiday pay. Let's call it the Mike Ashley school of management.0 -
Are there any EU ref polls due soon?0
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George isn't making any sense to me.0
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Osborne is just pushing attack lines here, "for people watching this programme" and doing a lot of frowning at Neil.
Not a Prime Ministerial performance so far.0 -
Osborne better hope we don't hit a recession in the next couple of years if we vote Remain.0
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Server crash at 11pm.PlatoSaid said:
Midnight tomorrowMorris_Dancer said:How far is the extension of registration going to be?
I've no idea what their infrastructure involves, but many IT operations allow a scaling up at crisis points by using cloud infrastructure (e.g. Amazon web services).0 -
Lol armageddon turns out to be a 1% rise in mortgage ratea0
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Osborne: "Frankly, there is a lot to be scared about.."
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That'll prove about as accurate as one of his borrowing forecasts.Casino_Royale said:Osborne admits purpose of referendum is to try and close down EU as an issue for this century.
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Quite rabid. Believing his own spreadsheets and pr folk... Almost unhinged.PlatoSaid said:George isn't making any sense to me.
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As long as it needs to be.Morris_Dancer said:How far is the extension of registration going to be?
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Osborne triple lock nonsense expertly unpicked!0
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With him as Chancellor?Casino_Royale said:Osborne: "Frankly, there is a lot to be scared about.."
Dick.0 -
Osborne doing well then?0
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Oh my days, he gets out a PIECE of an Airbus plane as a prop.
Totally bombs.0 -
Neil "They dont make wings elsewhere (in EU)"...0
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My God it's refreshing to see Osborne squirm0
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I know I'm not a neutral (not at all) but Osborne just isn't cutting through here.
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Let's be honest, many of us on here have criticized the triple lock. How amusing that it's come back to bite him.0
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Sounds rather Blue Peter -esque...here's one I made earlier..Casino_Royale said:Oh my days, he gets out a PIECE of an Airbus plane as a prop.
Totally bombs.0 -
Osborne the charmer.0
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The Chancellor knows what "real terms" means. Disgraceful deceit.0
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George is getting irste now. Leave it up - and neil has and put what the select committee thought about it underneath0
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He's getting really rattledRazedabode said:My God it's refreshing to see Osborne squirm
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It is quite amusing to note how many of Leavers on here proudly announcing they have just used their postal votes to vote Leave are the same posters who in the past frequently whinge about postal voting and post that its use should be severely curtailed .0
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Ouch, Neil brings up the 3 million immigration figure.0
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I have some sympathy with this and I'm a Remainer!justin124 said:
Europe has never been a very salient issue for me one way or the other.However, the sheer contempt that Cameron and Osborne have shown for the British people in this campaign by treating us as fools has persuaded me that this style of politics must not prevail. It is so reminiscent of how they conducted the 2015 election campaign.PlatoSaid said:
Excellent news, Sir.justin124 said:Have just voted Leave by post!
Has the system of Electoral Registration changed in recent years? From memory I had understood that people could only register in respect of the address at which they were living on October 15th of a given year and that such a register came into operation the following February.
Did anything sway your vote during recent weeks?0 -
Isn't it wonderful - the blokes mislead us for years. About time he was shown up.PlatoSaid said:
He's getting really rattledRazedabode said:My God it's refreshing to see Osborne squirm
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I dont know if it will change any voters but its a car crash for osborne0
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Osborne will never lead the Tories.0
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Migration falling to 180k a year! In line with your manifesto then!0
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Indeed! Nice one!!MarkSenior said:It is quite amusing to note how many of Leavers on here proudly announcing they have just used their postal votes to vote Leave are the same posters who in the past frequently whinge about postal voting and post that its use should be severely curtailed .
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No is no buts the prime minister said0
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Osborne has one objective in this interview - to make people think leaving the EU is risky.
People on here may follow the minutiae of the debate - that is all irrelevant to 95% of viewers.0 -
It won't change any votes but watching Osborne squirm is fun!Paul_Bedfordshire said:I dont know if it will change any voters but its a car crash for osborne
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Twenty years later it's still double what you promised!!0
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I am against postal votes and do not have one.MarkSenior said:It is quite amusing to note how many of Leavers on here proudly announcing they have just used their postal votes to vote Leave are the same posters who in the past frequently whinge about postal voting and post that its use should be severely curtailed .
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Neil "You promised to cut net migration to under 100,000 and the Treasury document forecasts 200,000 a year....."
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@FrancisUrquhart From a few threads ago about what the barmaid in my local knew about Eddie Izzard.
The response was "I've heard of the name but don't know anything about him"
Which tbf was pretty similar to my response when I was asked if I knew who Mary Berry was.0 -
Yebbut it's not working. Andrew is making him look a laughing stock.MikeL said:Osborne has one objective in this interview - to make people think leaving the EU is risky.
People on here may follow the minutiae of the debate - that is all irrelevant to 95% of viewers.
Honestly, I'm *trying* to be scared, just to put myself in the shoes of a floating voter, but I'm just laughing at him.0 -
Even if it doesn't shift a vote, this is extremely amusing telly0
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On unemployment benefit: if this were boxing it would've been stopped by now.
Ozzy on ropes.
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This is the longest 30 mins of George's life.0
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Sounds like Andrew Neil is showing (again) all the other clowns who work in the political media how to do it...0
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Nobody on this site - not you, not me, not anyone else, is a good judge of whether or not he is succeeding - because everyone on here is a million times more interested in politics than the average voter.Casino_Royale said:
Yebbut it's not working. Andrew is making him look a laughing stock.MikeL said:Osborne has one objective in this interview - to make people think leaving the EU is risky.
People on here may follow the minutiae of the debate - that is all irrelevant to 95% of viewers.
Honestly, I'm *trying* to be scared, just to put myself in the shoes of a floating voter, but I'm just laughing at him.0
