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Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

Anyway riddle me this:

Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

2/1?

That's a funny way of writing 4/2...

Geek out

https://www.gov.uk/performance/register-to-vote

BBC News reports about cricket in Germany as one of the benefits of migration from Afghanistan and Pakistan.

FPT. Mr Llama sounds like you hit the jackpot. For a while anyway. All good things and all that!
Personally, although I was married with a family and “responsibilities”, the 70’s were good too.

Top punning TSE!

Wanderer said:

GIN1138 said:

Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

Anyway riddle me this:

Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

You would expect him to campaign on "I'm an arsehole"?

True, but politics is meant to be the art of the possible, not the art of the laughable....

I'm amazed that Remain haven't put Cameron on the same subs bench as Stuart Rose.

Wanderer said:

GIN1138 said:

Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

Anyway riddle me this:

Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

You would expect him to campaign on "I'm an arsehole"?

Well no but I'd have thought he wouldn't be saying anything about "trust"?

Maybe is still hasn't really dawned on him just how unpopular he has made himself? It must be hard to accept you're toxic with vast swathes of the country...

Though we know he doesn't give a damn about the people here (he is the Prime Minister exclusively for the elites and the corporations) so maybe he doesn't care how he's viewed?

All seems rather odd.

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blackburn63 said:

If Cameron is pleading with us to trust him he's lost it completely.

I assume he's pleading with Worcester Woman rather than us per se.

Mortimer said:

Wanderer said:

GIN1138 said:

Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

Anyway riddle me this:

Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

You would expect him to campaign on "I'm an arsehole"?

True, but politics is meant to be the art of the possible, not the art of the laughable....

I'm amazed that Remain haven't put Cameron on the same subs bench as Stuart Rose.

I'm surprised they haven't used Caroline Lucas more - she comes across very well regardless of her party's political views and at least she's a committed Remainer

Another brilliant Vice News piece on Iraq....balls of steel...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6axTxU30yo

Mr. Moses, if that story gets widespread coverage, it will shift votes to Leave.

Mr. Eagles, you're as subtle as a flatulent liger.

Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

Filling in the form however does not register the person to vote: instead it sends their details directly to Vote Leave.




http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

JonCisBack said:

dr_spyn said:

BBC News reports about cricket in Germany as one of the benefits of migration from Afghanistan and Pakistan.

And top story is not the EU ref, not POTUS, not even Ali's funeral but it's this Sports Direct thing which is really quite a tiny story IMHO, unless I am missing something... is the BBC news website producer a Sunderland fan??

It has been an obsession of Guardian / BBC for a couple of years now. I am interested why the focus only on Mike Ashley / Sports Direct, when a lot of claims are down to dodgy practices of agencies and fairly standard across a lot of different companies.

Moses_ said:

Migrants cannot be imprisoned just because they have entered a country illegally, Europe’s highest court has ruled, in a potential blow to British, Dutch and French police attempting to prevent people smuggling over the Channel.

France had no right to detain a Ghanaian woman who tried to sneak into Britain by travelling on the Channel Tunnel with someone else’s passport, the European Court of Justice ruled.

Doing so breached the EU Return Direct which say illegal migrants must be invited to go home voluntarily first, within a window of up to a month.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/07/let-illegal-migrants-go-free-eu-court-orders-calais-police/

WTF.

MarkHopkins said:

The AV thread did arrive first, but then this thread won on second preferences.

TSE picked the door with the AV thread, but then decided to switch...

Watched the Benn-Brillo 'car-crash' interview earlier. Can't say it lived up to the billing. I thought Benn played it rather well given the circumstances - wacky quotations from his leader being thrown his way every five minutes. Brillo looked in a frightful strop a lot of the time - borderline tearful.

TheScreamingEagles said:

not_on_fire said:

Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.

Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.

"As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)

i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.

Tykejohnno said:

Moses_ said:

Migrants cannot be imprisoned just because they have entered a country illegally, Europe’s highest court has ruled, in a potential blow to British, Dutch and French police attempting to prevent people smuggling over the Channel.

France had no right to detain a Ghanaian woman who tried to sneak into Britain by travelling on the Channel Tunnel with someone else’s passport, the European Court of Justice ruled.

Doing so breached the EU Return Direct which say illegal migrants must be invited to go home voluntarily first, within a window of up to a month.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/07/let-illegal-migrants-go-free-eu-court-orders-calais-police/

WTF.

A ruling which we would not have to comply with in EFTA as we would not be under ECJ jurisdiction or have to implement the EU Return directive.

HurstLlama said:

midwinter said:

GIN1138 said:

Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

Anyway riddle me this:

Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

Presumably the fact that Tory voters are split down the middle means his views hold some sway to a number of those still unsure.

That maybe true, but even Herself (a lifelong Conservative loyalist) has given up on the bloke. She now just skips over every article in the Telegraph that mentions his views.

For people like her a person cannot go into an election promising one thing and then a year later say the diametric opposite and expect to retain credibility, let alone trust. I rather fancy that Cameron has already played the trust me no ifs or buts card once too often for it to have any effect now.

I doubt Telegraph readers have been treated to a particularly balanced account of Cameron, but whatever.

Sean_F said:

Tissue_Price said:

"As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)

i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.

Wales will probably be about 3% more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole.

Well then the 5/2 would be decidedly better. What are your +/- estimates for each nation?

not_on_fire said:

OldKingCole said:

not_on_fire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

not_on_fire said:

Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.

Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.

It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.

The worst thing about it for me is how they claim to be championing the "downtrodden" and "dispossessed" working class. These are the people that the same posters have been calling workshop benefit scroungers for the last 6 years

Neither side has a monopoly of nice people and nasty people.

Sean_F said:

not_on_fire said:

OldKingCole said:

not_on_fire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

not_on_fire said:

Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.

Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.

It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.

The worst thing about it for me is how they claim to be championing the "downtrodden" and "dispossessed" working class. These are the people that the same posters have been calling workshop benefit scroungers for the last 6 years

Neither side has a monopoly of nice people and nasty people.

Agreed, but the Remain campaign are being marginally more subtle about pretending to care about certain groups of society to improve their chances and/or their Tory leadership ambitions.

Meet the man with a worse knowledge of history than Morris Dancer.

Has he never heard of the IRA?

A British man told to ‘sod off’ by an elderly man in a supermarket just for being Muslim has posted a video showing the whole encounter.

Zubair Munsif, who was born in Bristol and raised in Wales, popped into his local supermarket and bumped into an older family friend who also happened to be Muslim.

The two greeted each other, but Zubair said he then heard a voice from behind them. ‘On instinct I turned around and saw another elderly man walk towards me asking ‘Are you Muslim?!’ I replied ‘Yes’ in a rather surprised tone. To which he said ‘go back to where you came from. I hate Muslims’....

.....At this point the man slams his phone to the ground and says: ‘I know I’m not (being nice) – because I dislike all Muslims. Now look here – I’d like to see all the Muslims in England sod off. We never had any terrorists until youse lot was here.’

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/07/racist-filmed-in-supermarket-telling-muslim-from-bristol-to-go-back-to-where-hes-from-5927981/

blackburn63 said:

Scott_P said:

@JGForsyth: Suspect Cameron will go after Farage hard tonight. It’s not blue on blue , he’s irritated & he’s going 2nd so he can attack Farage’s claims

The presser this morning appears to be lining up for that.

Going second is a definite advantage

Challenging Farage on his specialist subject though is not so easy - as Clegg found.

midwinter said:

HurstLlama said:

midwinter said:

GIN1138 said:

Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

Anyway riddle me this:

Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

Presumably the fact that Tory voters are split down the middle means his views hold some sway to a number of those still unsure.

That maybe true, but even Herself (a lifelong Conservative loyalist) has given up on the bloke. She now just skips over every article in the Telegraph that mentions his views.

For people like her a person cannot go into an election promising one thing and then a year later say the diametric opposite and expect to retain credibility, let alone trust. I rather fancy that Cameron has already played the trust me no ifs or buts card once too often for it to have any effect now.

I doubt Telegraph readers have been treated to a particularly balanced account of Cameron, but whatever.

You think people get their news from only one source? Do you think people cannot remember what Cameron said just over a year ago? This not an issue where it needs a balanced account (which actually The Telegraph does surprisingly well), just a functioning memory.

PlatoSaid said:

not_on_fire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

not_on_fire said:

Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.

Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.

You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

It's a pathetic argument.

Would you prioritise a high-skilled Korean over a low-skilled Indian who was married to a Brit?

PlatoSaid said:

not_on_fire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

not_on_fire said:

Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.

Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.

You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

It's a pathetic argument.

You made no mention of highly skilled, just that you preferred Koreans to Bulgarians for neighbours. The mask slipped a bit, didn't it?

Tissue_Price said:

Sean_F said:

Tissue_Price said:

"As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)

i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.

Wales will probably be about 3% more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole.

Well then the 5/2 would be decidedly better. What are your +/- estimates for each nation?

I think England will be 1% more Leave than the UK as a whole; Wales will be 3% more Remain, Northern Ireland 7% more Remain, Scotland 10% more Remain, Gibraltar 45% more Remain.

So if it were 50/50 across the UK

England would vote 51/49 Leave

Wales 53/47 Remain

Northern Ireland 57/43 Remain

Scotland 60/40 Remain

Gibraltar 95/5 Remain.

Sean_F said:

Tissue_Price said:

Sean_F said:

Tissue_Price said:

"As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)

i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.

Wales will probably be about 3% more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole.

Well then the 5/2 would be decidedly better. What are your +/- estimates for each nation?

I think England will be 1% more Leave than the UK as a whole; Wales will be 3% more Remain, Northern Ireland 7% more Remain, Scotland 10% more Remain, Gibraltar 45% more Remain.

So if it were 50/50 across the UK

England would vote 51/49 Leave

Wales 53/47 Remain

Northern Ireland 57/43 Remain

Scotland 60/40 Remain

Gibraltar 95/5 Remain.

So what does that work out to in terms of votes?

Would you prioritise a high-skilled Korean over a low-skilled Indian who was married to a Brit?

If you forced me to chose, then yes.

And I would prioritize a low skilled law abiding Indian over a Romanian beggar or a Polish rapist.

When are Remain going to realise it isn;t about race. Its about quality. Right now we have no way of deciding the quality we get from Europe. And so people with learning difficulties get the cr8p beaten out of them. Wonder how the EU's working out for that poor soul.

VapidBilge said:

not_on_fire said:

PlatoSaid said:

not_on_fire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

not_on_fire said:

Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.

Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.

You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

It's a pathetic argument.

You made no mention of highly skilled, just that you preferred Koreans to Bulgarians for neighbours. The mask slipped a bit, didn't it?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Bulgarians a Caucausian and Christian people, Koreans Asiatic?

Funny kind of racism to accuse a European of.

It's not racism its stereotyping Bugarians as crooks and Koreans as hard working entrepreneurs. Although there may be some evidence for this.

A well known UK cigarette company used Bugarians to sell their cigarettes in Turkey without a license because they had a persuasive manner.

Just drawn Wales in the Euro 2016 office sweepstake. Get in! Gatland's boys are looking mighty impressive.

''Oh do grow up. It's precisely this sort childish stuff that's losing Labour tens of thousands of voters. ''

Remainers are desperate to avoid a debate on quality of immigrant for some reason. I don't really understand it.

volcanopete said:

Going back to Alistair's blog,it's true Labour lost on competence,economic competence in particular.What wasn't said was John McDonnell has built a consensus of advisors who can provide an evidence-based case for future Labour economic strategy based on opposition to austerity,as a political choice and not an economic necessity.

Does it involve magic money trees or taxing the socks off aspiration?

Sean_F said:

...if it were 50/50 across the UK

England would vote 51/49 Leave

Wales 53/47 Remain

Northern Ireland 57/43 Remain

Scotland 60/40 Remain

Gibraltar 95/5 Remain.

Much obliged. That looks pretty sensible.

Sean_F said:

Tissue_Price said:

Sean_F said:

Tissue_Price said:

"As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)

i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.

Wales will probably be about 3% more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole.

Well then the 5/2 would be decidedly better. What are your +/- estimates for each nation?

I think England will be 1% more Leave than the UK as a whole; Wales will be 3% more Remain, Northern Ireland 7% more Remain, Scotland 10% more Remain, Gibraltar 45% more Remain.

So if it were 50/50 across the UK

England would vote 51/49 Leave

Wales 53/47 Remain

Northern Ireland 57/43 Remain

Scotland 60/40 Remain

Gibraltar 95/5 Remain.

Why will Wales be 3% more Remain? Not saying that's wrong - just interested in the thinking.

It is tight I'd think here - tighter from that poll than I thought it would be given the dollops of EU money that have been doled out over the years especially in the Valleys. There again listening to Radio 4 this morning with their piece from Merthyr the views didn't exactly surprise me either. Brighton it is not.

I'd have thought Remain would've hoped Wales was going to be fairly comfortably in their column at the start of this, so neck and neck isn't great I'd think, even if it's only about 5% of the UK electorate.

PlatoSaid said:

not_on_fire said:

VapidBilge said:

not_on_fire said:

PlatoSaid said:

not_on_fire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

not_on_fire said:

Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.

Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.

You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

It's a pathetic argument.

You made no mention of highly skilled, just that you preferred Koreans to Bulgarians for neighbours. The mask slipped a bit, didn't it?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Bulgarians a Caucausian and Christian people, Koreans Asiatic?

Funny kind of racism to accuse a European of.

Where did I mention racism? Small-minded xenophobia, sure

More weapons grade stupidity. Xenophobic to prefer those nationals from Asia?

Than Caucasians?

Caucasian is not a nationality in case you're not aware.

I'm just baffled why you would prefer one nationality as a neighbour over another. Must people look for someone quiet and considerate who you can ask to keep an eye on things when you're away. Rather than, y'kbow, crude national stereotypes.

SeanT said:

OldKingCole said:

not_on_fire said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

not_on_fire said:

Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.

Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.

It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.

How many Korean immigrants do you see living under flyovers, or selling the Big Issue?

"Bulgarians" is code for Roma, and no matter how much we tiptoe around the subject, there are big social issues surrounding Roma, and not very nice ones in the main.

It's just the case.

Just as a point of order, the vast majority of Bulgarians are *not* Roma.

The fastest way to wind up educated Bulgarians over here is to show them a newspaper article (which invariably refers to Bulgarian gangs instead) or Michael Palin's documentary, where he went to visit the Roma camps in Bulgaria and little else.

dr_spyn said:

david_herdson said:

dr_spyn said:

BBC News reports about cricket in Germany as one of the benefits of migration from Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The benefit being that cricket will soon be something else that Germany beat us at?

Will be fun for the translators.

Googly, LBW, silly mid off, Yorker, deep extra, gully, popping crease, back of a length, yes I can see the issue!!! Cow corner might be OK (Kuhecke?)