Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.
The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.
Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
How many Korean immigrants do you see living under flyovers, or selling the Big Issue?
"Bulgarians" is code for Roma, and no matter how much we tiptoe around the subject, there are big social issues surrounding Roma, and not very nice ones in the main.
It's just the case.
Just as a point of order, the vast majority of Bulgarians are *not* Roma.
The fastest way to wind up educated Bulgarians over here is to show them a newspaper article (which invariably refers to Bulgarian gangs instead) or Michael Palin's documentary, where he went to visit the Roma camps in Bulgaria and little else.
Same with Romanians! When I was there I saw hardly any Gypsies, then I got to Bucharest Airport and suddenly there are loads of them, and at least half were on the flight to Heathrow.
"As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)
i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.
Wales will probably be about 3% more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole.
Well then the 5/2 would be decidedly better. What are your +/- estimates for each nation?
I think England will be 1% more Leave than the UK as a whole; Wales will be 3% more Remain, Northern Ireland 7% more Remain, Scotland 10% more Remain, Gibraltar 45% more Remain.
So if it were 50/50 across the UK
England would vote 51/49 Leave
Wales 53/47 Remain
Northern Ireland 57/43 Remain
Scotland 60/40 Remain
Gibraltar 95/5 Remain.
I think the big surprise could be old Labour swinging more heavily for Leave, and perhaps a few more AB Conservatives for Remain.
So I could see Wales and the North East of England going for Leave. And Remain still winning.
Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.
The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.
Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
How many Korean immigrants do you see living under flyovers, or selling the Big Issue?
"Bulgarians" is code for Roma, and no matter how much we tiptoe around the subject, there are big social issues surrounding Roma, and not very nice ones in the main.
It's just the case.
I thought the code word was Romanians.
Stop being a disingenuous tit.
And - by the by - if you want to hear real racism, then try asking non-Roma Bulgarians, Czechs, Slovakians, Hungarians, etc, here in the UK, what they think of their own Roma - aka gypsy - populations.
I know some Romanians, about 5 years ago they said we would be mad to let Roma people into the UK.
I was told the same thing by lots of Eastern Europeans, for many years. We all know this is the truth, but supercilious wankers, on PB and elsewhere, would rather signal their personal virtues, than face facts.
Voting REMAIN in this Referendum would be the epitome of virtue signalling in a world full of virtue signalling.
Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.
The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.
Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.
Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.
It's a pathetic argument.
You made no mention of highly skilled, just that you preferred Koreans to Bulgarians for neighbours. The mask slipped a bit, didn't it?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Bulgarians a Caucausian and Christian people, Koreans Asiatic?
Funny kind of racism to accuse a European of.
Where did I mention racism? Small-minded xenophobia, sure
More weapons grade stupidity. Xenophobic to prefer those nationals from Asia?
Than Caucasians?
Caucasian is not a nationality in case you're not aware.
I'm just baffled why you would prefer one nationality as a neighbour over another. Must people look for someone quiet and considerate who you can ask to keep an eye on things when you're away. Rather than, y'kbow, crude national stereotypes.
You're still digging. Just stop. In your desperation to paint me as a waycist or xenophobe, you've failed miserably.
The Archbishop of Canterbury is coming out with some incredibly helpful lines for Remain and damaging for Farage
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
We had the politician interference of the church with anti-Tory stuff leading up the GE and I doubt it changed any votes. When people talk about how the papers / traditional media are having less of an effect on changing people's vote, the influence of the church to shift the needle has been reduced to square root of f##k all.
''Oh do grow up. It's precisely this sort childish stuff that's losing Labour tens of thousands of voters. ''
Remainers are desperate to avoid a debate on quality of immigrant for some reason. I don't really understand it.
Me neither. Accusing us of xenophobia has me honking with laughter.
It's so daft.
There is no "us" - there are plenty of people in the Leave campaign who don't share your views on world geography, which appear to be based on The Sun.
Well off Labour voters vote remain - remain wins - well off labour voters change their tune as right wing divides and appeal to right wingers not to let Corbyn in - no one cares - Labour wins - Corbyn kills the well off. Well off Labour voters get what they are asking for. It is a consolation prize of a sort... I'll vote for Corbyn.
''Oh do grow up. It's precisely this sort childish stuff that's losing Labour tens of thousands of voters. ''
Remainers are desperate to avoid a debate on quality of immigrant for some reason. I don't really understand it.
Me neither. Accusing us of xenophobia has me honking with laughter.
It's so daft.
There is no "us" - there are plenty of people in the Leave campaign who don't share your views on world geography, which appear to be based on The Sun.
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
There was I thinking that people for REMAIN would want to stop talking about immigration. Now we have the ArchBish on the subject denying some side effects that happened in a foreign country.
Menawhile elsewhere Dave (with the trust issues) carries on leading REMAIN down an alley or two.
John McDonnell has built a consensus of advisors who can provide an evidence-based case for future Labour economic strategy based on opposition to austerity,as a political choice and not an economic necessity.
Ah, but we don't do "experts" anymore...
We don't blindly follow experts. We actually look into the claims they're making. That's the point. It's essential if you don't want to go around believing things like £4300 per household.
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
yeah but give it a week and Dave and George will catch him up.
REMAIN should get the Dukes of Westminster and Buccleuch to broadcast live from Blenheim Palace, attired in their ducal ermine, so they can explain to the little man on the Clapham Omnibus how unchecked mass immigration has no effect on working class wages.
''Oh do grow up. It's precisely this sort childish stuff that's losing Labour tens of thousands of voters. ''
Remainers are desperate to avoid a debate on quality of immigrant for some reason. I don't really understand it.
Me neither. Accusing us of xenophobia has me honking with laughter.
It's so daft.
There is no "us" - there are plenty of people in the Leave campaign who don't share your views on world geography, which appear to be based on The Sun.
LOL
Do keep on posting. This is most amusing.
You either phrased your post extremely thoughtlessly or got caught out. I'd imagine the former. Just admit it.
''Oh do grow up. It's precisely this sort childish stuff that's losing Labour tens of thousands of voters. ''
Remainers are desperate to avoid a debate on quality of immigrant for some reason. I don't really understand it.
Me neither. Accusing us of xenophobia has me honking with laughter.
It's so daft.
There is no "us" - there are plenty of people in the Leave campaign who don't share your views on world geography, which appear to be based on The Sunil on Sunday.
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
yeah but give it a week and Dave and George will catch him up.
My biggest hope for 23:59 tonight is an end to the tedious news reports wailing about how many young voters don't care.
I've endured days of this so far. I think I've reposted or shared links to the Registration pages over 20x as I believe in democracy - but if they aren't interested, well they can't complain about it.
Was interesting to see Michelle Dewberry on Sky this morning - for a very driven individual, she didn't care about politics at all/never voted until her 30s.
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
The Archbishop of Canterbury is coming out with some incredibly helpful lines for Remain and damaging for Farage
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The same might have been said about grooming gangs in Rotherham and elsewhere. Telling the truth is a higher value than not saying things just because someone might not like hearing it. One would have thought that the AoC would have understood that point, if nothing else.
Perhaps he needs to be reminded of the following quote:-
"The man who is honest in small things will be honest in great. The man who is dishonest in small things will be dishonest in great."
Personally, I don't particularly like Farage using rape as a reason for leaving the EU. There clearly is a problem with the sexual attitudes of some migrants but that applies to groups who are citizens in our countries as well. Sexual assault did not start with the EU and will not end with our departure. The ability to choose whom we let into the country and our ability to deport those who break our laws are key issues but they require careful thought about how to get the best effective policies to achieve what I would hope we would all want.
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
"As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)
i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.
Wales will probably be about 3% more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole.
Well then the 5/2 would be decidedly better. What are your +/- estimates for each nation?
I think England will be 1% more Leave than the UK as a whole; Wales will be 3% more Remain, Northern Ireland 7% more Remain, Scotland 10% more Remain, Gibraltar 45% more Remain.
So if it were 50/50 across the UK
England would vote 51/49 Leave
Wales 53/47 Remain
Northern Ireland 57/43 Remain
Scotland 60/40 Remain
Gibraltar 95/5 Remain.
Why will Wales be 3% more Remain? Not saying that's wrong - just interested in the thinking.
It is tight I'd think here - tighter from that poll than I thought it would be given the dollops of EU money that have been doled out over the years especially in the Valleys. There again listening to Radio 4 this morning with their piece from Merthyr the views didn't exactly surprise me either. Brighton it is not.
I'd have thought Remain would've hoped Wales was going to be fairly comfortably in their column at the start of this, so neck and neck isn't great I'd think, even if it's only about 5% of the UK electorate.
Broadly speaking, the polling (albeit only Yougov polls Wales) shows Wales to be a little more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole, but closer to England than Scotland in outlook. English-speaking Wales may very well break for Leave.
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
Was Farage refering to Eastern Europeans or muslim immigrants coming via Germany?
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
World War 3?
Really?
When he was flagging last night, the last refuge for Hilary Benn was peace in Europe.
“South Wales will be among the most pro-leave places in all of the UK,” said Roger Scully, professor of politics at Cardiff University. “Across Wales as a whole it will be very split between those who want to stay in the EU and those who want to go. But Newport and the southern Welsh valleys are pretty damned likely to come out as an outright majority to go.”
I agree with this
I am also not convinced that Plaid Cymru's strongholds in the North and West will follow their party. I think the North West and the North East of Wales (for different reasons) will be for Leave.
I think Remain will hold Mid-Wales, Cardiff and Vale of Glamorgan.
Given where the population is, I think Leave will have an outright majority in Wales.
''Oh do grow up. It's precisely this sort childish stuff that's losing Labour tens of thousands of voters. ''
Remainers are desperate to avoid a debate on quality of immigrant for some reason. I don't really understand it.
Me neither. Accusing us of xenophobia has me honking with laughter.
It's so daft.
There is no "us" - there are plenty of people in the Leave campaign who don't share your views on world geography, which appear to be based on The Sun.
LOL
Do keep on posting. This is most amusing.
You either phrased your post extremely thoughtlessly or got caught out. I'd imagine the former. Just admit it.
No. I stand by it. I quite shamelessly prefer educated, highly skilled, law abiding people from anywhere - in preference to low-skilled criminal anybodies from the EU.
Just to note, I remember saying that Remain were deploying project fear far too early. The IMF "warning" about Brexit was about two weeks ago, and at the time I was assured that it was the right time and the drip drip effect would outweigh the big bang of doing it later, and getting the information out early would lay the foundation of a remain argument which could refer to these reports. I wonder whether Dodgy Dave will try to tap up these dodgy reports tonight. I think if he does the audience may turn on him.
"As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)
i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.
Wales will probably be about 3% more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole.
Well then the 5/2 would be decidedly better. What are your +/- estimates for each nation?
I think England will be 1% more Leave than the UK as a whole; Wales will be 3% more Remain, Northern Ireland 7% more Remain, Scotland 10% more Remain, Gibraltar 45% more Remain.
So if it were 50/50 across the UK
England would vote 51/49 Leave
Wales 53/47 Remain
Northern Ireland 57/43 Remain
Scotland 60/40 Remain
Gibraltar 95/5 Remain.
Why will Wales be 3% more Remain? Not saying that's wrong - just interested in the thinking.
It is tight I'd think here - tighter from that poll than I thought it would be given the dollops of EU money that have been doled out over the years especially in the Valleys. There again listening to Radio 4 this morning with their piece from Merthyr the views didn't exactly surprise me either. Brighton it is not.
I'd have thought Remain would've hoped Wales was going to be fairly comfortably in their column at the start of this, so neck and neck isn't great I'd think, even if it's only about 5% of the UK electorate.
Broadly speaking, the polling (albeit only Yougov polls Wales) shows Wales to be a little more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole, but closer to England than Scotland in outlook. English-speaking Wales may very well break for Leave.
The Archbishop of Canterbury is coming out with some incredibly helpful lines for Remain and damaging for Farage
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
ROFL yes, that really will turn back the tide of "stuff the establishment".
Old Etonian, scion of posh boys and Archbishop says the plebs must behave from his London palace.
REMAIN should get the Dukes of Westminster and Buccleuch to broadcast live from Blenheim Palace, attired in their ducal ermine, so they can explain to the little man on the Clapham Omnibus how unchecked mass immigration has no effect on working class wages.
Typical Leaver living in the sepia-tinted past.
The man on the Clapham Omnibus these days lives in a £2m terraced house just off the Common.
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
yeah but give it a week and Dave and George will catch him up.
Gangs of Leavers roaming the streets?
Why not, we;ve had just about every other sort of bollocks over the last three months.
Feral gangs of bestial kipper fanatics will hump little old ladies poodles in front of them, nobody will have any money and the country will just become a huge foodbank, all our houses will collapse and you can buy a palace for a knee trembler or 20 silk cut.
There's no monopoly on stupid claims in this campaign.
An interesting anecdote which is perhaps revealing of broader section of the electorate: I had a conversation with a person who has consistently expressed vehement eurosceptic views to me and who I thought would be a nailed on Leave voter but instead is fearful of it actually happening. There is a strand of opinion that would be first in the queue to vote Leave as a protest, but if given the casting vote would chose Remain. The more it looks like Leave has a chance, the more these voters will evaporate in the voting booth.
I've no idea which way this referendum is going to go but I think there is something quite profound happening in politics, both here and in the rest of the world. Politicians of all parties need to catch up.
Another good idea gone wrong. According to the BBC "vehicle tax collected fell £200m after paper discs axed."
This is my chance to say (again): -MOT garages should give out an MOT disc (for insurance) -VED should be axed -Put it on fuel duty - no-one will notice and it will be fair as regards road use/fuel use/size of vehicle -Retrain the VED admin workforce as some sort of banking help centre and repatriate some business from India.
My biggest hope for 23:59 tonight is an end to the tedious news reports wailing about how many young voters don't care.
I've endured days of this so far. I think I've reposted or shared links to the Registration pages over 20x as I believe in democracy - but if they aren't interested, well they can't complain about it.
Was interesting to see Michelle Dewberry on Sky this morning - for a very driven individual, she didn't care about politics at all/never voted until her 30s.
Even if there is as high a turnout as 70%, it still means 30% don't vote/care and this will include millions of all age groups.
It seems right that only people who care should vote since they are likely to know more about it.
Just to note, I remember saying that Remain were deploying project fear far too early. The IMF "warning" about Brexit was about two weeks ago, and at the time I was assured that it was the right time and the drip drip effect would outweigh the big bang of doing it later, and getting the information out early would lay the foundation of a remain argument which could refer to these reports. I wonder whether Dodgy Dave will try to tap up these dodgy reports tonight. I think if he does the audience may turn on him.
Isn't there another IMF scare story due next week?
I think a bit of masochism from Cameron would actually do the Remain campaign some good. If he could bring all the anti-establishment ire down upon himself he could make a clear case that he is yesterday's man so you should set aside any views you have about him and vote based on the future.
I've no idea which way this referendum is going to go but I think there is something quite profound happening in politics, both here and in the rest of the world. Politicians of all parties need to catch up.
Nah, the electorate has bitten off more than it can chew. Just like during an armed conflict, everyone is an armchair general, so now everyone is a NiGEM expert.
When this all settles down it will be business as usual who's going to win Strictly.
Just to note, I remember saying that Remain were deploying project fear far too early. The IMF "warning" about Brexit was about two weeks ago, and at the time I was assured that it was the right time and the drip drip effect would outweigh the big bang of doing it later, and getting the information out early would lay the foundation of a remain argument which could refer to these reports. I wonder whether Dodgy Dave will try to tap up these dodgy reports tonight. I think if he does the audience may turn on him.
Isn't there another IMF scare story due next week?
I've no idea which way this referendum is going to go but I think there is something quite profound happening in politics, both here and in the rest of the world. Politicians of all parties need to catch up.
Some in the media still haven't caught up with Trumpism. It isn't just us. The rise in unrest/populism et al is Europe-wide.
What will Nicola Sturgeon say if England, Scotland and NI all vote to Remain, but Wales and Britain as a whole vote to Leave? That's unlikely, because of the extent of the support in NI for free trade across the Irish border, but still.
Just to note, I remember saying that Remain were deploying project fear far too early. The IMF "warning" about Brexit was about two weeks ago, and at the time I was assured that it was the right time and the drip drip effect would outweigh the big bang of doing it later, and getting the information out early would lay the foundation of a remain argument which could refer to these reports. I wonder whether Dodgy Dave will try to tap up these dodgy reports tonight. I think if he does the audience may turn on him.
Isn't there another IMF scare story due next week?
Both the wardrobe monster AND the thing that rattles in the attic will be unleashed.
Just to note, I remember saying that Remain were deploying project fear far too early. The IMF "warning" about Brexit was about two weeks ago, and at the time I was assured that it was the right time and the drip drip effect would outweigh the big bang of doing it later, and getting the information out early would lay the foundation of a remain argument which could refer to these reports. I wonder whether Dodgy Dave will try to tap up these dodgy reports tonight. I think if he does the audience may turn on him.
Isn't there another IMF scare story due next week?
Possibly, but that would make three, neither of the first two made any difference so I don't see another one making any difference. People don't believe that we can go from having the strongest economy among developed nations to a catastrophe overnight just by leaving the EU. It isn't a credible statement.
The Leave vote share in each of the home nations will be 40% + twice their points total in the group stages in the Euros.
Since Scotland aren't there, they score zero points => 40%
If England get 7 points => 40 + (2 x 7) = 54%
etc.
Using this approach, patriotic Leavers can cheer on our lads, while sour-faced Remainers will want us to get beat. I guess it works well for Scottish Remainers!
Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.
The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.
Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
How many Korean immigrants do you see living under flyovers, or selling the Big Issue?
"Bulgarians" is code for Roma, and no matter how much we tiptoe around the subject, there are big social issues surrounding Roma, and not very nice ones in the main.
It's just the case.
Just as a point of order, the vast majority of Bulgarians are *not* Roma.
The fastest way to wind up educated Bulgarians over here is to show them a newspaper article (which invariably refers to Bulgarian gangs instead) or Michael Palin's documentary, where he went to visit the Roma camps in Bulgaria and little else.
Same with Romanians! When I was there I saw hardly any Gypsies, then I got to Bucharest Airport and suddenly there are loads of them, and at least half were on the flight to Heathrow.
Just to note, I remember saying that Remain were deploying project fear far too early. The IMF "warning" about Brexit was about two weeks ago, and at the time I was assured that it was the right time and the drip drip effect would outweigh the big bang of doing it later, and getting the information out early would lay the foundation of a remain argument which could refer to these reports. I wonder whether Dodgy Dave will try to tap up these dodgy reports tonight. I think if he does the audience may turn on him.
I agree. REMAIN have badly misjudged the timing - their narrative has been like a badly plotted novel, with all the big action at the beginning then a gradual slowing. And I speak as SK K TREMAYNE, NUMBER ONE BESTSELLING SUNDAY TIMES NOVELIST, AND AUTHOR OF "THE FIRE CHILD"*
I guess they were worried about Purdah but it was still front loaded to a ridiculous degree.
They should have kept two or three big weapons back, but I don't see any evidence of such. They are simply repeating the same slogans now and the returns rapidly diminish, and possibly go into reverse.
*published next week
Name-calling their rivals seems to sum up what they're doing now. A very odd campaign.
They went for Shock & Awe - and it didn't kill Leave.
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
I believe a well known Remainer spoke of WW3 and migrant camps in Kent.
I think a bit of masochism from Cameron would actually do the Remain campaign some good. If he could bring all the anti-establishment ire down upon himself he could make a clear case that he is yesterday's man so you should set aside any views you have about him and vote based on the future.
I'm not sure it will have the effect you desire. If anything if the leader of the remain campaign becomes an object of ridicule it helps leave.
Also loving the disrespec' to the Archbishop of Canterbury.
The very quintessence of Britain? An icon for all things Leavers hold dear about the UK in all its magnificence? Surely it is to his holy communion that the old maids are cycling?
Nah, some idiot who doesn't know anything about anything.
They are still debating the Investigatory Powers Bill in the House of Commons and there isn't a single Labour MP present. Have they completely given up?
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
yeah but give it a week and Dave and George will catch him up.
Gangs of Leavers roaming the streets?
Why not, we;ve had just about every other sort of bollocks over the last three months.
Feral gangs of bestial kipper fanatics will hump little old ladies poodles in front of them, nobody will have any money and the country will just become a huge foodbank, all our houses will collapse and you can buy a palace for a knee trembler or 20 silk cut.
There's no monopoly on stupid claims in this campaign.
Labour's "suggestion", today, that LEAVING the EU would bring an "end to paid holidays" was still pretty special.
Does anybody genuinely believe if we left the EU the government would just get rid of all of those. Given they had to back track on reducing tax credits etc, the chance of any serious changes are zilch. The media, the unions, politicians would go into over drive screaming against any changes to these.
Also stuff like equal pay act was 1970 and nothing to do with EU. And I seemed to remember all the rights on maturity / paternity leave again were down to Labour government (and more recently Coalition) wanting to promote this stuff, again nothing to do with EU directives.
Another good idea gone wrong. According to the BBC "vehicle tax collected fell £200m after paper discs axed."
This is my chance to say (again): -MOT garages should give out an MOT disc (for insurance) -VED should be axed -Put it on fuel duty - no-one will notice and it will be fair as regards road use/fuel use/size of vehicle -Retrain the VED admin workforce as some sort of banking help centre and repatriate some business from India.
It's all done electronically these days, so there's no need for an MOT dics at all.
On the one hand, the more I've thought about it the last few weeks, the more I think "Remain" is the better choice. Not for this crap about how there'll be World War 3 and an economic apocalypse if we leave, or because of the naive Guardianista argument about Britain being "outward-facing" -- but because I think the power of big multinational businesses is one of the big issues of the time, and it seems to me that the only way of getting them into line (i.e. paying their taxes, treating their workers decently, giving the decent small businesses a decent shot at competing) is by countries clubbing together and taking joint measures. If the West doesn't put up a "united front" on those issues, then the Googles of the world will be able to play one country off against another, saying "this country doesn't make us pay taxes or pay our workers decently, therefore we'll move all our jobs there if you insist we do those things", etcetc.
However, even though I think purely on the issue that I want to Remain, I really don't want to endorse the official Remain Campaign's strategy. It's basically been everything I hate about political campaigning: lazy and negative, telling people simply to trust the "experts" without critically analysing the "experts"' arguments, getting employers to send out Victorian-style threats to their employees that if they don't vote a certain way then they'll get the sack, egging on foreign leaders to threaten the country. It's been disgusting and unpatriotic, and I don't want to encourage them to use this lazy "don't rock the boat / just switch your brain off and do what nanny tells you" strategy again and again in future.
I think a bit of masochism from Cameron would actually do the Remain campaign some good. If he could bring all the anti-establishment ire down upon himself he could make a clear case that he is yesterday's man so you should set aside any views you have about him and vote based on the future.
What? Copy Tony Blair over Iraq and his masochism strategy? Well, it's a tactic I suppose.
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
yeah but give it a week and Dave and George will catch him up.
Gangs of Leavers roaming the streets?
Why not, we;ve had just about every other sort of bollocks over the last three months.
Feral gangs of bestial kipper fanatics will hump little old ladies poodles in front of them, nobody will have any money and the country will just become a huge foodbank, all our houses will collapse and you can buy a palace for a knee trembler or 20 silk cut.
There's no monopoly on stupid claims in this campaign.
Labour's "suggestion", today, that LEAVING the EU would bring an "end to paid holidays" was still pretty special.
I cannot wait to repeal the 1839 factories Act and employ some really cheap child labour. I paid 150 Quid to have my chimney swept today and repaired a total disgrace. A bright button and half an orange is all they will get post June 23rd.
I think a bit of masochism from Cameron would actually do the Remain campaign some good. If he could bring all the anti-establishment ire down upon himself he could make a clear case that he is yesterday's man so you should set aside any views you have about him and vote based on the future.
What? Copy Tony Blair over Iraq and his masochism strategy? Well, it's a tactic I suppose.
Just to note, I remember saying that Remain were deploying project fear far too early. The IMF "warning" about Brexit was about two weeks ago, and at the time I was assured that it was the right time and the drip drip effect would outweigh the big bang of doing it later, and getting the information out early would lay the foundation of a remain argument which could refer to these reports. I wonder whether Dodgy Dave will try to tap up these dodgy reports tonight. I think if he does the audience may turn on him.
I agree. REMAIN have badly misjudged the timing - their narrative has been like a badly plotted novel, with all the big action at the beginning then a gradual slowing. And I speak as SK K TREMAYNE, NUMBER ONE BESTSELLING SUNDAY TIMES NOVELIST, AND AUTHOR OF "THE FIRE CHILD"*
I guess they were worried about Purdah but it was still front loaded to a ridiculous degree.
They should have kept two or three big weapons back, but I don't see any evidence of such. They are simply repeating the same slogans now and the returns rapidly diminish, and possibly go into reverse.
*published next week
My wife tells me that it is one of Good Housekeeping's 5 hot reads for the summer. Hope the excitement of that is not too much for you.
I think a bit of masochism from Cameron would actually do the Remain campaign some good. If he could bring all the anti-establishment ire down upon himself he could make a clear case that he is yesterday's man so you should set aside any views you have about him and vote based on the future.
What? Copy Tony Blair over Iraq and his masochism strategy? Well, it's a tactic I suppose.
I think a bit of masochism from Cameron would actually do the Remain campaign some good. If he could bring all the anti-establishment ire down upon himself he could make a clear case that he is yesterday's man so you should set aside any views you have about him and vote based on the future.
What? Copy Tony Blair over Iraq and his masochism strategy? Well, it's a tactic I suppose.
Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.
The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.
Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
How many Korean immigrants do you see living under flyovers, or selling the Big Issue?
"Bulgarians" is code for Roma, and no matter how much we tiptoe around the subject, there are big social issues surrounding Roma, and not very nice ones in the main.
It's just the case.
Just as a point of order, the vast majority of Bulgarians are *not* Roma.
The fastest way to wind up educated Bulgarians over here is to show them a newspaper article (which invariably refers to Bulgarian gangs instead) or Michael Palin's documentary, where he went to visit the Roma camps in Bulgaria and little else.
Same with Romanians! When I was there I saw hardly any Gypsies, then I got to Bucharest Airport and suddenly there are loads of them, and at least half were on the flight to Heathrow.
Don't be ridiculous.
Roma are thrifty and fly to Stansted or Luton.
It was £80 return on the Romanian flag carrier to go to from Heathrow (at least that's how much I paid) while going to Stansted or Luton means £20 in train fares plus having to go to Stansted or Luton. I'm sure the Wizz flights had even more though!
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
yeah but give it a week and Dave and George will catch him up.
Gangs of Leavers roaming the streets?
Why not, we;ve had just about every other sort of bollocks over the last three months.
Feral gangs of bestial kipper fanatics will hump little old ladies poodles in front of them, nobody will have any money and the country will just become a huge foodbank, all our houses will collapse and you can buy a palace for a knee trembler or 20 silk cut.
There's no monopoly on stupid claims in this campaign.
Labour's "suggestion", today, that LEAVING the EU would bring an "end to paid holidays" was still pretty special.
Ive often wondered who actually sees these posters . If it wasnt for PB I wouldnt be aware any of them exist. Presumably it's to keep the twitterati frothing.
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
yeah but give it a week and Dave and George will catch him up.
Gangs of Leavers roaming the streets?
Why not, we;ve had just about every other sort of bollocks over the last three months.
Feral gangs of bestial kipper fanatics will hump little old ladies poodles in front of them, nobody will have any money and the country will just become a huge foodbank, all our houses will collapse and you can buy a palace for a knee trembler or 20 silk cut.
There's no monopoly on stupid claims in this campaign.
Labour's "suggestion", today, that LEAVING the EU would bring an "end to paid holidays" was still pretty special.
I cannot wait to repeal the 1839 factories Act and employ some really cheap child labour. I paid 150 Quid to have my chimney swept today and repaired a total disgrace. A bright button and half an orange is all they will get post June 23rd.
Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.
The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.
Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
How many Korean immigrants do you see living under flyovers, or selling the Big Issue?
"Bulgarians" is code for Roma, and no matter how much we tiptoe around the subject, there are big social issues surrounding Roma, and not very nice ones in the main.
It's just the case.
I thought the code word was Romanians.
Stop being a disingenuous tit.
And - by the by - if you want to hear real racism, then try asking non-Roma Bulgarians, Czechs, Slovakians, Hungarians, etc, here in the UK, what they think of their own Roma - aka gypsy - populations.
Is the Czech club in Willesden still there? Used to go there for a late drink in the 90s. The guv'ner was very proud of his "no gypsies" sign on the door. Police kept threatening him. The Standard reported it. I argued with him but was told firmly that I didn't know WTF I was talking about and all the Czech patrons were on board.
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Not one of those four is elected. Nige for all his MP attempts is at least an MEP..
Given that Saint Shami is on record as having praised Moazzem Begg of Cage, a man who would not condemn stoning of women and who thought the Taliban a good thing, as a wonderful campaigner for human rights, I think we are entitled to conclude that she cares not a fig for women's rights if their rights are harmed by people with more cards in their Identity Top Trumps deck.
The Left these days (or elements of it) seem to find it impossible to stand up for liberal principles consistently. They seem to think that values are only worth defending up to the point at which they impinge on their favourite "oppressed" "minority" group. At that point enforcing liberal values becomes racist oppressive imperialism - and possibly many other things besides.
On the one hand, the more I've thought about it the last few weeks, the more I think "Remain" is the better choice. Not for this crap about how there'll be World War 3 and an economic apocalypse if we leave, or because of the naive Guardianista argument about Britain being "outward-facing" -- but because I think the power of big multinational businesses is one of the big issues of the time, and it seems to me that the only way of getting them into line (i.e. paying their taxes, treating their workers decently, giving the decent small businesses a decent shot at competing) is by countries clubbing together and taking joint measures. If the West doesn't put up a "united front" on those issues, then the Googles of the world will be able to play one country off against another, saying "this country doesn't make us pay taxes or pay our workers decently, therefore we'll move all our jobs there if you insist we do those things", etcetc.
However, even though I think purely on the issue that I want to Remain, I really don't want to endorse the official Remain Campaign's strategy. It's basically been everything I hate about political campaigning: lazy and negative, telling people simply to trust the "experts" without critically analysing the "experts"' arguments, getting employers to send out Victorian-style threats to their employees that if they don't vote a certain way then they'll get the sack, egging on foreign leaders to threaten the country. It's been disgusting and unpatriotic, and I don't want to encourage them to use this lazy "don't rock the boat / just switch your brain off and do what nanny tells you" strategy again and again in future.
See how the polls and betting markets are on the day.
Really, the interesting question is whether Les Republicans run Juppe (who leads Le Pen by seven points in the first round), or Sarkozy, who lags her by the same margin.
Interestingly, the opinion polls for the Les Republicans primary has Juppe a good 15% clear of Sarkozy in the first round, and more than 20% clear in the second.
Just to note, I remember saying that Remain were deploying project fear far too early. The IMF "warning" about Brexit was about two weeks ago, and at the time I was assured that it was the right time and the drip drip effect would outweigh the big bang of doing it later, and getting the information out early would lay the foundation of a remain argument which could refer to these reports. I wonder whether Dodgy Dave will try to tap up these dodgy reports tonight. I think if he does the audience may turn on him.
Isn't there another IMF scare story due next week?
Both the wardrobe monster AND the thing that rattles in the attic will be unleashed.
The obviously take down is not only are all those things that are pointed not going to change post Brexit, they were all introduced despite the EU, not because...
So not only can they not point to a "good" for workers from EU directives, but we have all the cases of agency workers in places like Sports Direct where the EU is doing nothing for them.
Another good idea gone wrong. According to the BBC "vehicle tax collected fell £200m after paper discs axed."
This is my chance to say (again): -MOT garages should give out an MOT disc (for insurance) -VED should be axed -Put it on fuel duty - no-one will notice and it will be fair as regards road use/fuel use/size of vehicle -Retrain the VED admin workforce as some sort of banking help centre and repatriate some business from India.
It's all done electronically these days, so there's no need for an MOT dics at all.
I think a bit of masochism from Cameron would actually do the Remain campaign some good. If he could bring all the anti-establishment ire down upon himself he could make a clear case that he is yesterday's man so you should set aside any views you have about him and vote based on the future.
What? Copy Tony Blair over Iraq and his masochism strategy? Well, it's a tactic I suppose.
On the one hand, the more I've thought about it the last few weeks, the more I think "Remain" is the better choice. Not for this crap about how there'll be World War 3 and an economic apocalypse if we leave, or because of the naive Guardianista argument about Britain being "outward-facing" -- but because I think the power of big multinational businesses is one of the big issues of the time, and it seems to me that the only way of getting them into line (i.e. paying their taxes, treating their workers decently, giving the decent small businesses a decent shot at competing) is by countries clubbing together and taking joint measures. If the West doesn't put up a "united front" on those issues, then the Googles of the world will be able to play one country off against another, saying "this country doesn't make us pay taxes or pay our workers decently, therefore we'll move all our jobs there if you insist we do those things", etcetc.
However, even though I think purely on the issue that I want to Remain, I really don't want to endorse the official Remain Campaign's strategy. It's basically been everything I hate about political campaigning: lazy and negative, telling people simply to trust the "experts" without critically analysing the "experts"' arguments, getting employers to send out Victorian-style threats to their employees that if they don't vote a certain way then they'll get the sack, egging on foreign leaders to threaten the country. It's been disgusting and unpatriotic, and I don't want to encourage them to use this lazy "don't rock the boat / just switch your brain off and do what nanny tells you" strategy again and again in future.
Agree with you entirely that the Remain campaign has been crap, and a lot of this stuff has misfired - the Obama intervention seemed to go down particularly badly with undecideds I know. On the other hand, I don't think the Leave campaign has been any better, particularly since they have started focusing entirely on immigration, just as scaremongering as Remain. So if you don't want to endorse the Remain campaign, do you really want to endorse the Leave campaign either?
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
yeah but give it a week and Dave and George will catch him up.
Gangs of Leavers roaming the streets?
Why not, we;ve had just about every other sort of bollocks over the last three months.
Feral gangs of bestial kipper fanatics will hump little old ladies poodles in front of them, nobody will have any money and the country will just become a huge foodbank, all our houses will collapse and you can buy a palace for a knee trembler or 20 silk cut.
There's no monopoly on stupid claims in this campaign.
Labour's "suggestion", today, that LEAVING the EU would bring an "end to paid holidays" was still pretty special.
Never mind that the first legislation for paid holidays for employees was introduced by Neville Chamberlain in 1938.
As countries grow wealthier, so they extend statutory employment rights. Of course, sometimes they'll amend these rights to reflect changes in economic circumstances and working practices. Employment law is exactly the sort of thing that should be determined at national, not supranational, level.
On the one hand, the more I've thought about it the last few weeks, the more I think "Remain" is the better choice. Not for this crap about how there'll be World War 3 and an economic apocalypse if we leave, or because of the naive Guardianista argument about Britain being "outward-facing" -- but because I think the power of big multinational businesses is one of the big issues of the time, and it seems to me that the only way of getting them into line (i.e. paying their taxes, treating their workers decently, giving the decent small businesses a decent shot at competing) is by countries clubbing together and taking joint measures. If the West doesn't put up a "united front" on those issues, then the Googles of the world will be able to play one country off against another, saying "this country doesn't make us pay taxes or pay our workers decently, therefore we'll move all our jobs there if you insist we do those things", etcetc.
However, even though I think purely on the issue that I want to Remain, I really don't want to endorse the official Remain Campaign's strategy. It's basically been everything I hate about political campaigning: lazy and negative, telling people simply to trust the "experts" without critically analysing the "experts"' arguments, getting employers to send out Victorian-style threats to their employees that if they don't vote a certain way then they'll get the sack, egging on foreign leaders to threaten the country. It's been disgusting and unpatriotic, and I don't want to encourage them to use this lazy "don't rock the boat / just switch your brain off and do what nanny tells you" strategy again and again in future.
Well here's some evidence for you on tax avoidance/evasion by multinationals. Our diverted profits tax was a decision taken unilaterally, we are one of the first countries in the world to enforce such an idea, the main anti-tax avoidance measures are being done via the OECD, not the EU. Junker, head of the EC, was Prime Minister of Luxembourg when sweetheart tax deals with multinationals were signed that allowed loads of companies to pay a net rate of tax below 5%.
If we are going to beat corporate tax avoidance, the EU is not our friend in this fight, we will have to do it alone and co-operate with the OECD and the probably France on a bilateral basis. One of the four freedoms of the EU is free movement of capital, part of that means accepting that the tax system in the EU is only as strong as the weakest link and within the 28 nations there is a race to bottom already to be that weakest link and take over from Luxembourg and Ireland.
Another good idea gone wrong. According to the BBC "vehicle tax collected fell £200m after paper discs axed."
This is my chance to say (again): -MOT garages should give out an MOT disc (for insurance) -VED should be axed -Put it on fuel duty - no-one will notice and it will be fair as regards road use/fuel use/size of vehicle -Retrain the VED admin workforce as some sort of banking help centre and repatriate some business from India.
It's all done electronically these days, so there's no need for an MOT dics at all.
But not very successfully if £200m of it is going missing.
It is an interesting example of "nudge" isn't it. I would say you are just as unlikely to get caught not having car tax while driving around, as all enforcement was already being done by number plate recognition and checking things like SORNs databases...but the act of forcing people to get a worthless paper disc made more people pay.
But then if we just put it on petrol, everybody would pay and few people would really think about that they were paying and how much. It would be like VAT, everybody pays it, but few can tell how much they have paid per year.
ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is Farage scaremongering? Undoubtedly. Is it any worse than the scaremongering by Remain? No.
That's horseshit. Most economists from either side agree there's a downside, short term at least, to Leaving. Nobody other than Farage is suggesting gangs of Eastern European rapists are going to be roaming the streets of English towns violating English girls.
yeah but give it a week and Dave and George will catch him up.
Gangs of Leavers roaming the streets?
Why not, we;ve had just about every other sort of bollocks over the last three months.
Feral gangs of bestial kipper fanatics will hump little old ladies poodles in front of them, nobody will have any money and the country will just become a huge foodbank, all our houses will collapse and you can buy a palace for a knee trembler or 20 silk cut.
There's no monopoly on stupid claims in this campaign.
Labour's "suggestion", today, that LEAVING the EU would bring an "end to paid holidays" was still pretty special.
Does anybody genuinely believe if we left the EU the government would just get rid of all of those. Given they had to back track on reducing tax credits etc, the chance of any serious changes are zilch. The media, the unions, politicians would go into over drive screaming against any changes to these.
Also stuff like equal pay act was 1970 and nothing to do with EU. And I seemed to remember all the rights on maturity / paternity leave again were down to Labour government (and more recently Coalition) wanting to promote this stuff, again nothing to do with EU directives.
The silly hyperbole hides a bit of a double standard from BOO - defending worker's rights as inherently British and deriding the working time directive as a huge and unnecessary expense on British businesses.
''I am also not convinced that Plaid Cymru's strongholds in the North and West will follow their party.''
There's something a bit weird about a party of independence calling for remaining in the EU.
At first yes. But not on reflection….
It is much easier to argue for an independence in which England, Scotland & Wales are all part of a federated, borderless, Europe.
The European Union has weakened the case for federated countries (like the UK and Spain) because it is itself (or wants to be) a gigantic federation. "Why not be a unit in the large federation instead of the small one?" is what the SNP or Plaid Cymru or the Catalans argue, reasonably enough
I think leaving the EU (even if Scotland votes to stay) will make it much harder for the SNP to win a Indy2.
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ABoC: Farage's claim linking migrants to sex attacks is"inexcusable pandering" to prejudice and "legitimising racism"
https://twitter.com/chrishanretty/status/740112760411938817
So I could see Wales and the North East of England going for Leave. And Remain still winning.
Just.
Old Etonian, scion of posh boys and Archbishop says the plebs must behave from his London palace.
The left are coming hard at Farage on this one. Saint Shami, the Venerable Doreen Lawrence and Ayatollah Warsi too.
Is it racism to point out that one particular religion has a different attitude to women?
But dirty tricks are all they know.
Do keep on posting. This is most amusing.
Menawhile elsewhere Dave (with the trust issues) carries on leading REMAIN down an alley or two.
But most BME cultures are more sexist and homophobic than "evil Whitey" culture.
@MrHarryCole: The 10th Earl of Dartmouth. https://t.co/ZylUsoYm8e
I've endured days of this so far. I think I've reposted or shared links to the Registration pages over 20x as I believe in democracy - but if they aren't interested, well they can't complain about it.
Was interesting to see Michelle Dewberry on Sky this morning - for a very driven individual, she didn't care about politics at all/never voted until her 30s.
Perhaps he needs to be reminded of the following quote:-
"The man who is honest in small things will be honest in great. The man who is dishonest in small things will be dishonest in great."
Personally, I don't particularly like Farage using rape as a reason for leaving the EU. There clearly is a problem with the sexual attitudes of some migrants but that applies to groups who are citizens in our countries as well. Sexual assault did not start with the EU and will not end with our departure. The ability to choose whom we let into the country and our ability to deport those who break our laws are key issues but they require careful thought about how to get the best effective policies to achieve what I would hope we would all want.
“South Wales will be among the most pro-leave places in all of the UK,” said Roger Scully, professor of politics at Cardiff University. “Across Wales as a whole it will be very split between those who want to stay in the EU and those who want to go. But Newport and the southern Welsh valleys are pretty damned likely to come out as an outright majority to go.”
I agree with this
I am also not convinced that Plaid Cymru's strongholds in the North and West will follow their party. I think the North West and the North East of Wales (for different reasons) will be for Leave.
I think Remain will hold Mid-Wales, Cardiff and Vale of Glamorgan.
Given where the population is, I think Leave will have an outright majority in Wales.
Stone me for being so prejudiced.
The man on the Clapham Omnibus these days lives in a £2m terraced house just off the Common.
Feral gangs of bestial kipper fanatics will hump little old ladies poodles in front of them, nobody will have any money and the country will just become a huge foodbank, all our houses will collapse and you can buy a palace for a knee trembler or 20 silk cut.
There's no monopoly on stupid claims in this campaign.
-MOT garages should give out an MOT disc (for insurance)
-VED should be axed
-Put it on fuel duty - no-one will notice and it will be fair as regards road use/fuel use/size of vehicle
-Retrain the VED admin workforce as some sort of banking help centre and repatriate some business from India.
It seems right that only people who care should vote since they are likely to know more about it.
Not one of those four is elected. Nige for all his MP attempts is at least an MEP..
When this all settles down it will be business as usual who's going to win Strictly.
The cheapest, simplest, fairest and most difficult way to avoid, stick it on petrol. We also then collect from foreign drivers on our roads too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryWVRS4aehM
All 4 are relics of the Blair years where access to BBC news gave their ridiculous views more credibility than they deserved.
Le Pen 28%
Sarkozy 21%
Hollande 14%
(Le Monde)
The Leave vote share in each of the home nations will be 40% + twice their points total in the group stages in the Euros.
Since Scotland aren't there, they score zero points => 40%
If England get 7 points => 40 + (2 x 7) = 54%
etc.
Using this approach, patriotic Leavers can cheer on our lads, while sour-faced Remainers will want us to get beat. I guess it works well for Scottish Remainers!
There's something a bit weird about a party of independence calling for remaining in the EU.
Roma are thrifty and fly to Stansted or Luton.
They went for Shock & Awe - and it didn't kill Leave.
37% still trust him
56% do not trust him.
Ugly stuff when he can only attract just over 1/3 of the folk who voted Conservative a year ago.
The very quintessence of Britain? An icon for all things Leavers hold dear about the UK in all its magnificence? Surely it is to his holy communion that the old maids are cycling?
Nah, some idiot who doesn't know anything about anything.
Also stuff like equal pay act was 1970 and nothing to do with EU. And I seemed to remember all the rights on maturity / paternity leave again were down to Labour government (and more recently Coalition) wanting to promote this stuff, again nothing to do with EU directives.
You can check TAX and MOT here...
https://www.vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/
On the one hand, the more I've thought about it the last few weeks, the more I think "Remain" is the better choice. Not for this crap about how there'll be World War 3 and an economic apocalypse if we leave, or because of the naive Guardianista argument about Britain being "outward-facing" -- but because I think the power of big multinational businesses is one of the big issues of the time, and it seems to me that the only way of getting them into line (i.e. paying their taxes, treating their workers decently, giving the decent small businesses a decent shot at competing) is by countries clubbing together and taking joint measures. If the West doesn't put up a "united front" on those issues, then the Googles of the world will be able to play one country off against another, saying "this country doesn't make us pay taxes or pay our workers decently, therefore we'll move all our jobs there if you insist we do those things", etcetc.
However, even though I think purely on the issue that I want to Remain, I really don't want to endorse the official Remain Campaign's strategy. It's basically been everything I hate about political campaigning: lazy and negative, telling people simply to trust the "experts" without critically analysing the "experts"' arguments, getting employers to send out Victorian-style threats to their employees that if they don't vote a certain way then they'll get the sack, egging on foreign leaders to threaten the country. It's been disgusting and unpatriotic, and I don't want to encourage them to use this lazy "don't rock the boat / just switch your brain off and do what nanny tells you" strategy again and again in future.
The Left these days (or elements of it) seem to find it impossible to stand up for liberal principles consistently. They seem to think that values are only worth defending up to the point at which they impinge on their favourite "oppressed" "minority" group. At that point enforcing liberal values becomes racist oppressive imperialism - and possibly many other things besides.
Then vote for whichever side you think will lose
Really, the interesting question is whether Les Republicans run Juppe (who leads Le Pen by seven points in the first round), or Sarkozy, who lags her by the same margin.
Interestingly, the opinion polls for the Les Republicans primary has Juppe a good 15% clear of Sarkozy in the first round, and more than 20% clear in the second.
The obviously take down is not only are all those things that are pointed not going to change post Brexit, they were all introduced despite the EU, not because...
So not only can they not point to a "good" for workers from EU directives, but we have all the cases of agency workers in places like Sports Direct where the EU is doing nothing for them.
As countries grow wealthier, so they extend statutory employment rights. Of course, sometimes they'll amend these rights to reflect changes in economic circumstances and working practices. Employment law is exactly the sort of thing that should be determined at national, not supranational, level.
If we are going to beat corporate tax avoidance, the EU is not our friend in this fight, we will have to do it alone and co-operate with the OECD and the probably France on a bilateral basis. One of the four freedoms of the EU is free movement of capital, part of that means accepting that the tax system in the EU is only as strong as the weakest link and within the 28 nations there is a race to bottom already to be that weakest link and take over from Luxembourg and Ireland.
But then if we just put it on petrol, everybody would pay and few people would really think about that they were paying and how much. It would be like VAT, everybody pays it, but few can tell how much they have paid per year.
One is reminded about that saying about Battles, War and the winning and losing thereof.
It is much easier to argue for an independence in which England, Scotland & Wales are all part of a federated, borderless, Europe.
The European Union has weakened the case for federated countries (like the UK and Spain) because it is itself (or wants to be) a gigantic federation. "Why not be a unit in the large federation instead of the small one?" is what the SNP or Plaid Cymru or the Catalans argue, reasonably enough
I think leaving the EU (even if Scotland votes to stay) will make it much harder for the SNP to win a Indy2.
Southam has the contrary view, of course.
Not particularly good timing for remain