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edited June 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Latest YouGov poll suggests Remain might see a caTaffstrophe in Wales

Remain and Leave are both on 41%, with 18% don’t know or won’t vote, according to the latest YouGov survey for ITV Wales and Cardiff University.

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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

    Anyway riddle me this:

    Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    FPT: Mr. Eagles and Mr. P, thanks both for your advice on spread betting. I'll certainly bear that in mind and, if I do open an account, will likely ask for tips ahead of making bets.

    I'll likely be betting on middling teams' drivers to exceed a low points margin, which will give me a definable potential loss (if I bet on them exceeding 30 points, then 30 x my stake is the maximum loss on such a bet, of course).

    On-topic: that pun is atrocious.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,000
    2/1?

    That's a funny way of writing 4/2... :)
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    Ever depundable.
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    WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    GIN1138 said:

    Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

    Anyway riddle me this:

    Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

    You would expect him to campaign on "I'm an arsehole"?
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    BBC News reports about cricket in Germany as one of the benefits of migration from Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    The valley's are revolting. Labours northern heartlands are revolting. The Shires are revolting...

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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,068
    edited June 2016
    FPT. Mr Llama sounds like you hit the jackpot. For a while anyway. All good things and all that!
    Personally, although I was married with a family and “responsibilities”, the 70’s were good too.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,068
    Wanderer said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

    Anyway riddle me this:

    Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

    You would expect him to campaign on "I'm an arsehole"?
    Cameron doesn’t do honesty.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Top punning TSE!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167
    GIN1138 said:

    The valley's are revolting. Labours northern heartlands are revolting. The Shires are revolting...

    If Remain win it will be big majorities in London, Scotland and NI that does it
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Wanderer said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

    Anyway riddle me this:

    Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

    You would expect him to campaign on "I'm an arsehole"?
    True, but politics is meant to be the art of the possible, not the art of the laughable....

    I'm amazed that Remain haven't put Cameron on the same subs bench as Stuart Rose.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602

    FPT: Mr. Eagles and Mr. P, thanks both for your advice on spread betting. I'll certainly bear that in mind and, if I do open an account, will likely ask for tips ahead of making bets.

    I'll likely be betting on middling teams' drivers to exceed a low points margin, which will give me a definable potential loss (if I bet on them exceeding 30 points, then 30 x my stake is the maximum loss on such a bet, of course).

    On-topic: that pun is atrocious.

    Everyone loves my subtle puns.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    Wanderer said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

    Anyway riddle me this:

    Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

    You would expect him to campaign on "I'm an arsehole"?
    Well no but I'd have thought he wouldn't be saying anything about "trust"?

    Maybe is still hasn't really dawned on him just how unpopular he has made himself? It must be hard to accept you're toxic with vast swathes of the country...

    Though we know he doesn't give a damn about the people here (he is the Prime Minister exclusively for the elites and the corporations) so maybe he doesn't care how he's viewed?

    All seems rather odd.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Migrants cannot be imprisoned just because they have entered a country illegally, Europe’s highest court has ruled, in a potential blow to British, Dutch and French police attempting to prevent people smuggling over the Channel.

    France had no right to detain a Ghanaian woman who tried to sneak into Britain by travelling on the Channel Tunnel with someone else’s passport, the European Court of Justice ruled.

    Doing so breached the EU Return Direct which say illegal migrants must be invited to go home voluntarily first, within a window of up to a month.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/07/let-illegal-migrants-go-free-eu-court-orders-calais-police/
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    If Cameron is pleading with us to trust him he's lost it completely.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Oh, I hoped this was a piece written by @taffys
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited June 2016
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    GIN1138 said:

    Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

    Anyway riddle me this:

    Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

    Because the Remain cupboard is otherwise empty.... Even the dunderheads advising him have come round to the view that more Project Fear --> more being laughed at.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146

    If Cameron is pleading with us to trust him he's lost it completely.

    I assume he's pleading with Worcester Woman rather than us per se.
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    And still the AV thread hasn't arrived.
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    Mortimer said:

    Wanderer said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

    Anyway riddle me this:

    Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

    You would expect him to campaign on "I'm an arsehole"?
    True, but politics is meant to be the art of the possible, not the art of the laughable....

    I'm amazed that Remain haven't put Cameron on the same subs bench as Stuart Rose.
    I'm surprised they haven't used Caroline Lucas more - she comes across very well regardless of her party's political views and at least she's a committed Remainer
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    midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112
    GIN1138 said:

    Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

    Anyway riddle me this:

    Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

    Presumably the fact that Tory voters are split down the middle means his views hold some sway to a number of those still unsure.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Another brilliant Vice News piece on Iraq....balls of steel...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6axTxU30yo
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983
    GIN1138 said:

    Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

    Anyway riddle me this:

    Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

    I expect it's rather like this.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ILPl5FQaM
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Mr. Moses, if that story gets widespread coverage, it will shift votes to Leave.

    Mr. Eagles, you're as subtle as a flatulent liger.
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    JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911
    dr_spyn said:

    BBC News reports about cricket in Germany as one of the benefits of migration from Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    And top story is not the EU ref, not POTUS, not even Ali's funeral but it's this Sports Direct thing which is really quite a tiny story IMHO, unless I am missing something... is the BBC news website producer a Sunderland fan??
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    edited June 2016
    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    Filling in the form however does not register the person to vote: instead it sends their details directly to Vote Leave.




    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited June 2016

    dr_spyn said:

    BBC News reports about cricket in Germany as one of the benefits of migration from Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    And top story is not the EU ref, not POTUS, not even Ali's funeral but it's this Sports Direct thing which is really quite a tiny story IMHO, unless I am missing something... is the BBC news website producer a Sunderland fan??
    It has been an obsession of Guardian / BBC for a couple of years now. I am interested why the focus only on Mike Ashley / Sports Direct, when a lot of claims are down to dodgy practices of agencies and fairly standard across a lot of different companies.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    And still the AV thread hasn't arrived.


    The AV thread did arrive first, but then this thread won on second preferences.

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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Moses_ said:

    Migrants cannot be imprisoned just because they have entered a country illegally, Europe’s highest court has ruled, in a potential blow to British, Dutch and French police attempting to prevent people smuggling over the Channel.

    France had no right to detain a Ghanaian woman who tried to sneak into Britain by travelling on the Channel Tunnel with someone else’s passport, the European Court of Justice ruled.

    Doing so breached the EU Return Direct which say illegal migrants must be invited to go home voluntarily first, within a window of up to a month.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/07/let-illegal-migrants-go-free-eu-court-orders-calais-police/

    WTF.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    FPT: Mr. Eagles and Mr. P, thanks both for your advice on spread betting. I'll certainly bear that in mind and, if I do open an account, will likely ask for tips ahead of making bets.

    I'll likely be betting on middling teams' drivers to exceed a low points margin, which will give me a definable potential loss (if I bet on them exceeding 30 points, then 30 x my stake is the maximum loss on such a bet, of course).

    On-topic: that pun is atrocious.

    Everyone loves my subtle puns.
    It would have been better if you'd not put it in capitals, and then we could have roundly abused the first person to complain about your spelling
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    The AV thread did arrive first, but then this thread won on second preferences.

    TSE picked the door with the AV thread, but then decided to switch...
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    midwinter said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

    Anyway riddle me this:

    Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

    Presumably the fact that Tory voters are split down the middle means his views hold some sway to a number of those still unsure.
    That maybe true, but even Herself (a lifelong Conservative loyalist) has given up on the bloke. She now just skips over every article in the Telegraph that mentions his views.

    For people like her a person cannot go into an election promising one thing and then a year later say the diametric opposite and expect to retain credibility, let alone trust. I rather fancy that Cameron has already played the trust me no ifs or buts card once too often for it to have any effect now.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,324
    Watched the Benn-Brillo 'car-crash' interview earlier. Can't say it lived up to the billing. I thought Benn played it rather well given the circumstances - wacky quotations from his leader being thrown his way every five minutes. Brillo looked in a frightful strop a lot of the time - borderline tearful.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    That open and internationalist Leave campaign (part 94):

    https://twitter.com/nickbouchet/status/739925206345633792
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    edited June 2016

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    David Brent appears to be having some trouble with getting employees...

    http://order-order.com/2016/06/07/labour-seeking-new-cheapo-spin-chief/
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    If Cameron is pleading with us to trust him he's lost it completely.

    I assume he's pleading with Worcester Woman rather than us per se.
    The audience is irrelevant, a PM pleading is a PM who has lost it.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,068

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    "As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)

    i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Mr. Fire, the current situation prefers Bulgarians to Koreans. Not sure why that's ok and the reverse is horrendous.

    I'd prefer us to treat all non-Britons equally rather than privileging those of the EU.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    Moses_ said:

    Migrants cannot be imprisoned just because they have entered a country illegally, Europe’s highest court has ruled, in a potential blow to British, Dutch and French police attempting to prevent people smuggling over the Channel.

    France had no right to detain a Ghanaian woman who tried to sneak into Britain by travelling on the Channel Tunnel with someone else’s passport, the European Court of Justice ruled.

    Doing so breached the EU Return Direct which say illegal migrants must be invited to go home voluntarily first, within a window of up to a month.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/07/let-illegal-migrants-go-free-eu-court-orders-calais-police/

    WTF.
    A ruling which we would not have to comply with in EFTA as we would not be under ECJ jurisdiction or have to implement the EU Return directive.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
    The worst thing about it for me is how they claim to be championing the "downtrodden" and "dispossessed" working class. These are the people that the same posters have been calling workshop benefit scroungers for the last 6 years


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    midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112

    midwinter said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

    Anyway riddle me this:

    Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

    Presumably the fact that Tory voters are split down the middle means his views hold some sway to a number of those still unsure.
    That maybe true, but even Herself (a lifelong Conservative loyalist) has given up on the bloke. She now just skips over every article in the Telegraph that mentions his views.

    For people like her a person cannot go into an election promising one thing and then a year later say the diametric opposite and expect to retain credibility, let alone trust. I rather fancy that Cameron has already played the trust me no ifs or buts card once too often for it to have any effect now.
    I doubt Telegraph readers have been treated to a particularly balanced account of Cameron, but whatever.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983

    "As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)

    i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.

    Wales will probably be about 3% more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Sean_F said:

    "As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)

    i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.

    Wales will probably be about 3% more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole.
    Well then the 5/2 would be decidedly better. What are your +/- estimates for each nation?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602

    "As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)

    i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.

    I think there's merit in your thinking.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983
    edited June 2016

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
    The worst thing about it for me is how they claim to be championing the "downtrodden" and "dispossessed" working class. These are the people that the same posters have been calling workshop benefit scroungers for the last 6 years


    Neither side has a monopoly of nice people and nasty people.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JGForsyth: Suspect Cameron will go after Farage hard tonight. It’s not blue on blue , he’s irritated & he’s going 2nd so he can attack Farage’s claims

    The presser this morning appears to be lining up for that.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    Sean_F said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
    The worst thing about it for me is how they claim to be championing the "downtrodden" and "dispossessed" working class. These are the people that the same posters have been calling workshop benefit scroungers for the last 6 years


    Neither side has a monopoly of nice people and nasty people.
    Agreed, but the Remain campaign are being marginally more subtle about pretending to care about certain groups of society to improve their chances and/or their Tory leadership ambitions.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422
    dr_spyn said:

    BBC News reports about cricket in Germany as one of the benefits of migration from Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    The benefit being that cricket will soon be something else that Germany beat us at?
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Scott_P said:

    @JGForsyth: Suspect Cameron will go after Farage hard tonight. It’s not blue on blue , he’s irritated & he’s going 2nd so he can attack Farage’s claims

    The presser this morning appears to be lining up for that.

    Going second is a definite advantage
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    dr_spyn said:

    BBC News reports about cricket in Germany as one of the benefits of migration from Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    And top story is not the EU ref, not POTUS, not even Ali's funeral but it's this Sports Direct thing which is really quite a tiny story IMHO, unless I am missing something... is the BBC news website producer a Sunderland fan??
    It has been an obsession of Guardian / BBC for a couple of years now. I am interested why the focus only on Mike Ashley / Sports Direct, when a lot of claims are down to dodgy practices of agencies and fairly standard across a lot of different companies.
    It's share price hasn't changed much after his evidence either.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    Meet the man with a worse knowledge of history than Morris Dancer.

    Has he never heard of the IRA?

    A British man told to ‘sod off’ by an elderly man in a supermarket just for being Muslim has posted a video showing the whole encounter.

    Zubair Munsif, who was born in Bristol and raised in Wales, popped into his local supermarket and bumped into an older family friend who also happened to be Muslim.

    The two greeted each other, but Zubair said he then heard a voice from behind them. ‘On instinct I turned around and saw another elderly man walk towards me asking ‘Are you Muslim?!’ I replied ‘Yes’ in a rather surprised tone. To which he said ‘go back to where you came from. I hate Muslims’....

    .....At this point the man slams his phone to the ground and says: ‘I know I’m not (being nice) – because I dislike all Muslims. Now look here – I’d like to see all the Muslims in England sod off. We never had any terrorists until youse lot was here.’

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/07/racist-filmed-in-supermarket-telling-muslim-from-bristol-to-go-back-to-where-hes-from-5927981/
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    midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112

    Mr. Fire, the current situation prefers Bulgarians to Koreans. Not sure why that's ok and the reverse is horrendous.

    I'd prefer us to treat all non-Britons equally rather than privileging those of the EU.

    Don't think anyone other than Plato was expressing an opinion as to what nationalities are and aren't acceptable here. Evidently Eastern Europeans are some way down the list of desirable neighbours.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    Scott_P said:

    @JGForsyth: Suspect Cameron will go after Farage hard tonight. It’s not blue on blue , he’s irritated & he’s going 2nd so he can attack Farage’s claims

    The presser this morning appears to be lining up for that.

    Going second is a definite advantage

    Challenging Farage on his specialist subject though is not so easy - as Clegg found.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

    Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

    It's a pathetic argument.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    midwinter said:

    midwinter said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Just saw on BBC News that Cameron is campaigning on"trust" today (makes a change from joining up with Labour, Greens and "others" to trash his own party and government I suppose)

    Anyway riddle me this:

    Why is Cameron campaigning on trust at the exact moment his personal ratings have collapsed and he's made himself toxic with millions of people?

    Presumably the fact that Tory voters are split down the middle means his views hold some sway to a number of those still unsure.
    That maybe true, but even Herself (a lifelong Conservative loyalist) has given up on the bloke. She now just skips over every article in the Telegraph that mentions his views.

    For people like her a person cannot go into an election promising one thing and then a year later say the diametric opposite and expect to retain credibility, let alone trust. I rather fancy that Cameron has already played the trust me no ifs or buts card once too often for it to have any effect now.
    I doubt Telegraph readers have been treated to a particularly balanced account of Cameron, but whatever.
    You think people get their news from only one source? Do you think people cannot remember what Cameron said just over a year ago? This not an issue where it needs a balanced account (which actually The Telegraph does surprisingly well), just a functioning memory.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    Scott_P said:

    @JGForsyth: Suspect Cameron will go after Farage hard tonight. It’s not blue on blue , he’s irritated & he’s going 2nd so he can attack Farage’s claims

    The presser this morning appears to be lining up for that.

    Going second is a definite advantage

    Challenging Farage on his specialist subject though is not so easy - as Clegg found.
    Who is conducting the interviews?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    PlatoSaid said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

    Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

    It's a pathetic argument.
    Would you prioritise a high-skilled Korean over a low-skilled Indian who was married to a Brit?
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    VapidBilgeVapidBilge Posts: 412

    That open and internationalist Leave campaign (part 94):

    https://twitter.com/nickbouchet/status/739925206345633792

    Considering there are over 2 million refugees from those countries in Turkey, it seems reasonable to refer to them.

    Incidentally, what succour have you given the refugees?

    And why have you yet to answer my question about how much competition from EU migrants do pension lawyers face?
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    PlatoSaid said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

    Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

    It's a pathetic argument.
    You made no mention of highly skilled, just that you preferred Koreans to Bulgarians for neighbours. The mask slipped a bit, didn't it?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Mr. Fire, the current situation prefers Bulgarians to Koreans.

    More immigrants from outside the EU than in right now
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983

    Sean_F said:

    "As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)

    i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.

    Wales will probably be about 3% more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole.
    Well then the 5/2 would be decidedly better. What are your +/- estimates for each nation?
    I think England will be 1% more Leave than the UK as a whole; Wales will be 3% more Remain, Northern Ireland 7% more Remain, Scotland 10% more Remain, Gibraltar 45% more Remain.

    So if it were 50/50 across the UK

    England would vote 51/49 Leave

    Wales 53/47 Remain

    Northern Ireland 57/43 Remain

    Scotland 60/40 Remain

    Gibraltar 95/5 Remain.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,068
    SeanT said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
    How many Korean immigrants do you see living under flyovers, or selling the Big Issue?

    "Bulgarians" is code for Roma, and no matter how much we tiptoe around the subject, there are big social issues surrounding Roma, and not very nice ones in the main.

    It's just the case.
    I thought the code word was Romanians.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    PlatoSaid said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

    Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

    It's a pathetic argument.
    You made no mention of highly skilled, just that you preferred Koreans to Bulgarians for neighbours. The mask slipped a bit, didn't it?
    I'd prefer Berbatov to Son, perhaps I'm racist too
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,977

    SeanT said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
    How many Korean immigrants do you see living under flyovers, or selling the Big Issue?

    "Bulgarians" is code for Roma, and no matter how much we tiptoe around the subject, there are big social issues surrounding Roma, and not very nice ones in the main.

    It's just the case.
    I thought the code word was Romanians.

    I love the way the right has embraced political correctness :-)

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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,068
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    "As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)

    i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.

    Wales will probably be about 3% more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole.
    Well then the 5/2 would be decidedly better. What are your +/- estimates for each nation?
    I think England will be 1% more Leave than the UK as a whole; Wales will be 3% more Remain, Northern Ireland 7% more Remain, Scotland 10% more Remain, Gibraltar 45% more Remain.

    So if it were 50/50 across the UK

    England would vote 51/49 Leave

    Wales 53/47 Remain

    Northern Ireland 57/43 Remain

    Scotland 60/40 Remain

    Gibraltar 95/5 Remain.
    So what does that work out to in terms of votes?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

    Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

    It's a pathetic argument.
    You made no mention of highly skilled, just that you preferred Koreans to Bulgarians for neighbours. The mask slipped a bit, didn't it?
    Oh do grow up. It's precisely this sort childish stuff that's losing Labour tens of thousands of voters.
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    VapidBilgeVapidBilge Posts: 412

    PlatoSaid said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

    Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

    It's a pathetic argument.
    You made no mention of highly skilled, just that you preferred Koreans to Bulgarians for neighbours. The mask slipped a bit, didn't it?
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Bulgarians a Caucausian and Christian people, Koreans Asiatic?

    Funny kind of racism to accuse a European of.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    Watched the Benn-Brillo 'car-crash' interview earlier. Can't say it lived up to the billing. I thought Benn played it rather well given the circumstances - wacky quotations from his leader being thrown his way every five minutes. Brillo looked in a frightful strop a lot of the time - borderline tearful.

    Andrew Neil had a killer point about the EU directive/regulation preventing the nationalisation of the rail operators.

    Apparently Regulation 4 or some such allows state ownership of the infrastructure but requires competition for the train operators.

    Benn obviously not aware of this and could only "disagree".
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Would you prioritise a high-skilled Korean over a low-skilled Indian who was married to a Brit?

    If you forced me to chose, then yes.

    And I would prioritize a low skilled law abiding Indian over a Romanian beggar or a Polish rapist.

    When are Remain going to realise it isn;t about race. Its about quality. Right now we have no way of deciding the quality we get from Europe. And so people with learning difficulties get the cr8p beaten out of them. Wonder how the EU's working out for that poor soul.
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Going back to Alistair's blog,it's true Labour lost on competence,economic competence in particular.What wasn't said was John McDonnell has built a consensus of advisors who can provide an evidence-based case for future Labour economic strategy based on opposition to austerity,as a political choice and not an economic necessity.
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    blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
    How many Korean immigrants do you see living under flyovers, or selling the Big Issue?

    "Bulgarians" is code for Roma, and no matter how much we tiptoe around the subject, there are big social issues surrounding Roma, and not very nice ones in the main.

    It's just the case.
    I thought the code word was Romanians.
    Stop being a disingenuous tit.

    And - by the by - if you want to hear real racism, then try asking non-Roma Bulgarians, Czechs, Slovakians, Hungarians, etc, here in the UK, what they think of their own Roma - aka gypsy - populations.
    I know some Romanians, about 5 years ago they said we would be mad to let Roma people into the UK.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291

    dr_spyn said:

    BBC News reports about cricket in Germany as one of the benefits of migration from Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    The benefit being that cricket will soon be something else that Germany beat us at?
    Will be fun for the translators.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited June 2016

    PlatoSaid said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

    Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

    It's a pathetic argument.
    You made no mention of highly skilled, just that you preferred Koreans to Bulgarians for neighbours. The mask slipped a bit, didn't it?
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Bulgarians a Caucausian and Christian people, Koreans Asiatic?

    Funny kind of racism to accuse a European of.

    It's not racism its stereotyping Bugarians as crooks and Koreans as hard working entrepreneurs. Although there may be some evidence for this.

    A well known UK cigarette company used Bugarians to sell their cigarettes in Turkey without a license because they had a persuasive manner.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,568

    Scott_P said:

    @JGForsyth: Suspect Cameron will go after Farage hard tonight. It’s not blue on blue , he’s irritated & he’s going 2nd so he can attack Farage’s claims

    The presser this morning appears to be lining up for that.

    Going second is a definite advantage
    Farage will have to gain the audience's sympathy if he possibly can. Be a bit self-deprecating maybe? Inviting the audience to 'sack him' by leaving the EU might be a nice opening line (not particularly original, but still). If the audience are warmed to him, they should take a little while to warm to Cameron, if at all, especially if he comes on very aggressive and shirty.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    edited June 2016
    Just drawn Wales in the Euro 2016 office sweepstake. Get in! Gatland's boys are looking mighty impressive.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341

    PlatoSaid said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

    Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

    It's a pathetic argument.
    You made no mention of highly skilled, just that you preferred Koreans to Bulgarians for neighbours. The mask slipped a bit, didn't it?
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Bulgarians a Caucausian and Christian people, Koreans Asiatic?

    Funny kind of racism to accuse a European of.
    Where did I mention racism? Small-minded xenophobia, sure
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Oh do grow up. It's precisely this sort childish stuff that's losing Labour tens of thousands of voters. ''

    Remainers are desperate to avoid a debate on quality of immigrant for some reason. I don't really understand it.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
    How many Korean immigrants do you see living under flyovers, or selling the Big Issue?

    "Bulgarians" is code for Roma, and no matter how much we tiptoe around the subject, there are big social issues surrounding Roma, and not very nice ones in the main.

    It's just the case.
    I thought the code word was Romanians.
    Stop being a disingenuous tit.

    And - by the by - if you want to hear real racism, then try asking non-Roma Bulgarians, Czechs, Slovakians, Hungarians, etc, here in the UK, what they think of their own Roma - aka gypsy - populations.
    I know some Romanians, about 5 years ago they said we would be mad to let Roma people into the UK.
    I watched a C5 docu a month or two ago. The Romanians interviewed had an incredibly low opinion of pick pockets et al from their own country.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422

    Going back to Alistair's blog,it's true Labour lost on competence,economic competence in particular.What wasn't said was John McDonnell has built a consensus of advisors who can provide an evidence-based case for future Labour economic strategy based on opposition to austerity,as a political choice and not an economic necessity.

    Does it involve magic money trees or taxing the socks off aspiration?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    John McDonnell has built a consensus of advisors who can provide an evidence-based case for future Labour economic strategy based on opposition to austerity,as a political choice and not an economic necessity.

    Ah, but we don't do "experts" anymore...
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited June 2016
    Sean_F said:

    ...if it were 50/50 across the UK

    England would vote 51/49 Leave

    Wales 53/47 Remain

    Northern Ireland 57/43 Remain

    Scotland 60/40 Remain

    Gibraltar 95/5 Remain.

    Much obliged. That looks pretty sensible.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited June 2016

    PlatoSaid said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

    Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

    It's a pathetic argument.
    You made no mention of highly skilled, just that you preferred Koreans to Bulgarians for neighbours. The mask slipped a bit, didn't it?
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Bulgarians a Caucausian and Christian people, Koreans Asiatic?

    Funny kind of racism to accuse a European of.
    Where did I mention racism? Small-minded xenophobia, sure
    More weapons grade stupidity. Xenophobic to prefer those nationals from Asia?

    Than Caucasians?
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    "As Wales goes, so goes the Kingdom." (Tissue Price, 2016)

    i.e. I think you might as well back the 5/2 outright price for Leave.

    Wales will probably be about 3% more pro-Remain than the UK as a whole.
    Well then the 5/2 would be decidedly better. What are your +/- estimates for each nation?
    I think England will be 1% more Leave than the UK as a whole; Wales will be 3% more Remain, Northern Ireland 7% more Remain, Scotland 10% more Remain, Gibraltar 45% more Remain.

    So if it were 50/50 across the UK

    England would vote 51/49 Leave

    Wales 53/47 Remain

    Northern Ireland 57/43 Remain

    Scotland 60/40 Remain

    Gibraltar 95/5 Remain.
    Why will Wales be 3% more Remain? Not saying that's wrong - just interested in the thinking.

    It is tight I'd think here - tighter from that poll than I thought it would be given the dollops of EU money that have been doled out over the years especially in the Valleys. There again listening to Radio 4 this morning with their piece from Merthyr the views didn't exactly surprise me either. Brighton it is not.

    I'd have thought Remain would've hoped Wales was going to be fairly comfortably in their column at the start of this, so neck and neck isn't great I'd think, even if it's only about 5% of the UK electorate.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    Scott_P said:

    Mr. Fire, the current situation prefers Bulgarians to Koreans.

    More immigrants from outside the EU than in right now
    Ok, so that one is Theresa May is doing a crap job ?
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    Going back to Alistair's blog,it's true Labour lost on competence,economic competence in particular.What wasn't said was John McDonnell has built a consensus of advisors who can provide an evidence-based case for future Labour economic strategy based on opposition to austerity,as a political choice and not an economic necessity.

    ".... evidence based case for for future Labour economic strategy.....", i.e:: more BS.

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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    taffys said:

    ''Oh do grow up. It's precisely this sort childish stuff that's losing Labour tens of thousands of voters. ''

    Remainers are desperate to avoid a debate on quality of immigrant for some reason. I don't really understand it.

    Me neither. Accusing us of xenophobia has me honking with laughter.

    It's so daft.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    PlatoSaid said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

    Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

    It's a pathetic argument.
    You made no mention of highly skilled, just that you preferred Koreans to Bulgarians for neighbours. The mask slipped a bit, didn't it?
    Absolutely - it was straightforward nast, xenophobic and racist - a sure sign of someone mixing too much with kipperdom and its ilk
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,207

    Watched the Benn-Brillo 'car-crash' interview earlier. Can't say it lived up to the billing. I thought Benn played it rather well given the circumstances - wacky quotations from his leader being thrown his way every five minutes. Brillo looked in a frightful strop a lot of the time - borderline tearful.

    Andrew Neil had a killer point about the EU directive/regulation preventing the nationalisation of the rail operators.

    Apparently Regulation 4 or some such allows state ownership of the infrastructure but requires competition for the train operators.

    Benn obviously not aware of this and could only "disagree".
    I thought what Neil was looking for was for Benn to say that he disagreed with renationalization of the railways. I'm not sure if Benn wants to or not, but I can't believe it's high up his list of priorities.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    You well know my point was of true internationalism in preference to low skilled any bodies.

    Go on, try claiming I'm a racist for preferring high skilled Koreans Or Indians or Japanese.

    It's a pathetic argument.
    You made no mention of highly skilled, just that you preferred Koreans to Bulgarians for neighbours. The mask slipped a bit, didn't it?
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Bulgarians a Caucausian and Christian people, Koreans Asiatic?

    Funny kind of racism to accuse a European of.
    Where did I mention racism? Small-minded xenophobia, sure
    More weapons grade stupidity. Xenophobic to prefer those nationals from Asia?

    Than Caucasians?
    Caucasian is not a nationality in case you're not aware.

    I'm just baffled why you would prefer one nationality as a neighbour over another. Must people look for someone quiet and considerate who you can ask to keep an eye on things when you're away. Rather than, y'kbow, crude national stereotypes.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Jonathan said:

    Just drawn Wales in the Euro 2016 office sweepstake. Get in! Gatland's boys are looking mighty impressive.

    Bale actually could play on the wing for Gatland!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,672
    SeanT said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
    How many Korean immigrants do you see living under flyovers, or selling the Big Issue?

    "Bulgarians" is code for Roma, and no matter how much we tiptoe around the subject, there are big social issues surrounding Roma, and not very nice ones in the main.

    It's just the case.
    Just as a point of order, the vast majority of Bulgarians are *not* Roma.

    The fastest way to wind up educated Bulgarians over here is to show them a newspaper article (which invariably refers to Bulgarian gangs instead) or Michael Palin's documentary, where he went to visit the Roma camps in Bulgaria and little else.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    edited June 2016
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Vote Leave has been reported to the elections regulator for potentially “misleading” people who are trying to register to vote.

    The campaign to leave the EU appears to have purchased an advert on the Google search engine that places its website at the top of UK search results for “register to vote”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/vote-leave-accused-of-disenfranchising-people-trying-to-register-to-vote-with-misleading-website-a7068661.html

    That's much worse than the 9 million advert.

    Vote Leave should be ashamed of themselves.
    Vote Leave has some nasty pieces of work in their corner. Look at Plato's comment on the previous thread re: preferring Koreans to Bulgarians.
    It’s led by some nasty pieces of work.
    How many Korean immigrants do you see living under flyovers, or selling the Big Issue?

    "Bulgarians" is code for Roma, and no matter how much we tiptoe around the subject, there are big social issues surrounding Roma, and not very nice ones in the main.

    It's just the case.
    I thought the code word was Romanians.
    Stop being a disingenuous tit.

    And - by the by - if you want to hear real racism, then try asking non-Roma Bulgarians, Czechs, Slovakians, Hungarians, etc, here in the UK, what they think of their own Roma - aka gypsy - populations.
    I know some Romanians, about 5 years ago they said we would be mad to let Roma people into the UK.
    I was told the same thing by lots of Eastern Europeans, for many years. We all know this is the truth, but supercilious wankers, on PB and elsewhere, would rather signal their personal virtues, than face facts.
    When I was working in the Czech Republic the totally overt view of your average Czech would make PBers demand the moderator intervene.

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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    BBC News reports about cricket in Germany as one of the benefits of migration from Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    The benefit being that cricket will soon be something else that Germany beat us at?
    Will be fun for the translators.
    Googly, LBW, silly mid off, Yorker, deep extra, gully, popping crease, back of a length, yes I can see the issue!!! Cow corner might be OK (Kuhecke?)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002

    Sean_F said:

    ...if it were 50/50 across the UK

    England would vote 51/49 Leave

    Wales 53/47 Remain

    Northern Ireland 57/43 Remain

    Scotland 60/40 Remain

    Gibraltar 95/5 Remain.

    Much obliged. That looks pretty sensible.
    I'm a buyer of the Wales-Scotland gap at 7 :D
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