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  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    hunchman said:

    O/T - How are your cats going on Plato? Our two remaining Persians getting very old now - the white will be 18 in 7 weeks time, and our black persian will be 17 around the EU referendum too, her sight is causing concern, and she bumps into a few things, and we can't scatter the munchies for her any longer. But apart from that she's fine bless her.
    All naughty - and moulting... 18yrs &17 yrs old! That's a fine innings so far.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    During the election campaign I have been careful not to say this in public or on the internet before the close of poll, so here it is:

    Zac Goldsmith's campaign was offensive, patronising, off-putting, negative and pathetic with its religious and racial profiling and insinuations about Sadiq Khan. I have been confused and in the dark about what his policies really mean on things like housing. If his campaign was so pathetic then I have concerns about his ability to administer and make executive decisions as Mayor of London.

    I have felt great reluctance and some resentment about the fact that I was "supposed to" vote for Zac Goldsmith, just because i happen to be a member of the Conservative Party, and for weeks I have been struggling with my decision about how to vote.

    On one hand, I wanted to express my dissatisfaction with Zac's campaign, but on the other hand I was not prepared to accept the premise of suggesting that Zac Goldsmith and Sadiq Khan were equally bad. Saying "they're both as bad as each other", and abstaining or spoiling a ballot paper, is a cop-out which for me is not a realistic option. I have also become increasingly conscious of the fact that I am de-facto a member of the Gavin Barwell Party, not the Zac Goldsmith Party.

    My options were:
    (a) Vote for Zac Goldsmith anyway, despite my reservations;
    (b) Register a protest by voting for Sian Berry in the 1st round, and transfer to Zac Goldsmith in the 2nd round;
    (c) Vote for Sian Berry in the 1st round and perhaps Caroline Pidgeon in the 2nd round;
    (d) abstain, or leave the paper blank;
    (e) spoil the paper by writing a message;
    (f) Vote for Zac Goldsmith, but write a message saying "This is a vote for Zac Goldsmith even though he is a pathetic nauseating twit".

    In the end, I decided to do (b).
    I couldn't stomach the idea of voting in a way that suggests that Zac Goldsmith and Sadiq Khan were equally bad, so that ruled out (c), (d) or (e).
    I didn't want to do (f) or (e) because - having been at the count last two times - I knew it would simply create extra unwanted work for the election staff at the count, who have thousands of doubtful votes to adjudicate already.

    -------

    P.S. My parents shared my dissatisfaction with Zac Goldsmith, so they voted Zac 1 and Sian Berry 2 (from the conversation we had, it seems they didn't fully understand the voting system, but they had a vague idea that it was a way of making a protest).

    P.P.S. I didn't vote until 2:40pm in the afternoon. I would normally have voted on the dot of 7am, but I still hadn't made a final decision on how to vote until later, and i wanted to sleep on it before making a final decision.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    HYUFD said:

    I agree totally - Tory to UKIP en masse after the EU referendum and when the global sovereign debt crisis begins properly and sterling slides. Still think the USD (important) low to come the week after next.
    There will be Tory to UKIP movement but more in the manner of Lab to LD after the Iraq War than Lab to SNP after indyref rather than en masse. If Remain win a sterling slide is less likely though

    A sterling slide will happen irrespective of what happens on 23rd June over the next 20 months.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188
    HYUFD said:

    Under FPTP that would make little difference considering most of the northern seats have comfortable Labour majorities
    Urm, http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/conservative
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    hunchman said:

    Sky council seats declaration miles behind the Beeb. Hunchman praising the BBC! What's happening!

    The discussion on the BBC is rubbish in terms of results, Sky better on that score but in terms of getting out results on the rolling tracker at the bottom of the screen the Beeb winning hands down!
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited May 2016
    Bolton Council @boltoncouncil

    Result for Kearsley ward - UKIP party candidate Mark CUNNINGHAM elected #LE2016 #Bolton

    Dudley Council @dudleymbc

    #Wordsley UKIP Gain #DudleyElections #LE2016 dudley.gov.uk/community/elec…
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Labour hold St Helens
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    All naughty - and moulting... 18yrs &17 yrs old! That's a fine innings so far.
    Less in the way of food bills during moulting......that's about the only thing you can say for it though!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554
    I can't believe this compare to 2015 spin is being given any credance. It is apples & oranges.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Mortimer said:

    Handy hint: the future doesn't have to be like the past....
    Yet it tends to repeat itself, Labour Remain voters are hardly going to switch to UKIP are they!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Scott_P said:

    @HTScotPol: Labour sources at #edincount reckon Iain Gray has held East Lothian

    Is it bad that this is counting as a good night for SLAB....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    DavidL said:

    Its really pathetic.
    MI5 can't work miracles now, takes a bit of time to stuff those boxes.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188
    HYUFD said:

    Yet it tends to repeat itself, Labour Remain voters are hardly going to switch to UKIP are they!
    All those 23 WWC Remainiacs.....

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    I can't believe this compare to 2015 spin is being given any credance. It is apples & oranges.

    Just like 2016 (Year 1 of the cycle) to 2012 (Year 2 of the cycle) is apples and oranges..... *whistles*
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,197
    Looks like the Lib Dems have held Shetland too. The Carmichael thing has not amused the voters.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    Plaid changed their colours to yellow?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    UKIP on five wins now

    Thurrock Council @thurrockcouncil

    Jack Duffin (UKIP) is elected councillor for Stanford East & Corringham Town with a majority of 496
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    DavidL said:

    Looks like the Lib Dems have held Shetland too. The Carmichael thing has not amused the voters.

    A bit like Gerry Malone in Winchester all those years ago. We Brits don't like sore losers!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Mortimer said:

    All those 23 WWC Remainiacs.....

    WWC Leave voters will most likely have voted UKIP in 2015 anyway, not Labour, so they are not now technically Labour voters
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Josh Halliday @JoshHalliday

    Hartlepool results: Labour holds the council. Ukip gained three seats, two of them from Labour.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JeremyCliffe: 11% swing from Labour to Conservatives in Nuneaton. Worse than last year's general election.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,989
    Danny565 said:

    Just like 2016 (Year 1 of the cycle) to 2012 (Year 2 of the cycle) is apples and oranges..... *whistles*
    Can we please, please move council elections to a five year cycle (and not in general election years)?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188
    HYUFD said:

    WWC Leave voters will most likely have voted UKIP in 2015 anyway, not Labour, so they are not now technically Labour voters
    Nope - there are depths as yet unplumbed by Labour.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @AlistairMay: A clear majority in Rutherglen voted for unionist parties. That didn't happen in General Election. #sp16
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    DavidL said:

    Looks like the Lib Dems have held Shetland too. The Carmichael thing has not amused the voters.

    LDs saying they think they've won East Fife from SNP
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Labour holds Harlow
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Labour holds Sandwell
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Labour holds Hartlepool
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Sky results tracker getting better as the night goes on
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554

    Can we please, please move council elections to a five year cycle (and not in general election years)?
    Wasn't all this nonsense Tony Blair doing?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188

    Can we please, please move council elections to a five year cycle (and not in general election years)?
    Presumably just to stop Danny harking on about it? ;-)
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,772
    Mundell: Con vote has doubled in Glasgow.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    MikeL said:

    Mundell: Con vote has doubled in Glasgow.

    1 to 2 is still a doubling ;)
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Labour won all wards in Sandwell
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554
    MikeL said:

    Mundell: Con vote has doubled in Glasgow.

    From 1 to 2?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Labour GAIN Cleadon and East Boldon from the Conservatives on South Tyneside after recount
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Mortimer said:

    Nope - there are depths as yet unplumbed by Labour.
    75% or so of Labour voters will vote Remain according to the polls, 55% of Tory voters will vote Leave, who has more to lose to UKIP if it is a close Remain?
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Carwyn Jones on Sky explaining away poor Labour results tonight that 2011 was a high water mark!
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited May 2016
    Mundell says Scottish Tory surge will push them into second place - BBC

    "well on course ...."
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Harlow results Lab 19 Tories 12 UKIP 2. No net change
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2016
    Recount at St Albans: St Peter's, and also in Sopwell.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    JackW said:

    Mundell says Scottish Tory surge will push them into second place - BBC

    I watched the interview, and can confirm he used those exact words.... titters :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Bury Lab -4 Tories +2
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,989

    From 1 to 2?
    Obviously Ruth Davidson moving out of the city had a big effect.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188
    HYUFD said:

    75% or so of Labour voters will vote Remain according to the polls, 55% of Tory voters will vote Leave, who has more to lose to UKIP if it is a close Remain?
    Let me blow your mind slightly.

    I am a Tory leaver.

    I would vote Labour before I vote UKIP.

    Most of my family are Labour voters. They're mostly WWC and will either vote UKIP or not vote next time.

    Labour will lose WWC vote not because of Europe.
    Tories will not lose much MC vote to UKIP regardless of the result in June.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    2011 was a fairly good year....but there's a way in the middle between 42 and 30%
    hunchman said:

    Carwyn Jones on Sky explaining away poor Labour results tonight that 2011 was a high water mark!

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Thurrock UKIP 17 Lab 14 Tories 14. UKIP largest party
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Kevin Alcock @kevina364

    UKIP gain Laindon Park ward from Labour on Basildon
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Tories hold Rushmoor
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Labour holds Wirral
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Bolehall in Tamworth is a Lab hold. So no wipe out from Tamworth
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,197
    This is unbelievable. Coming on for 2am and 2 seats declared.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Tories hold Tamworth
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188
    edited May 2016
    Thornberry is a hopeless spinner.

    She pushes it just too far when compared to McMao.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Stockport NOC (LDs largest party)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Tories hold Tandridge
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Southend NOC (Tories largest party)
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    DavidL said:

    This is unbelievable. Coming on for 2am and 2 seats declared.

    I'm sure I recall in 2011 that a good slug of the Central Belt had declared by 2am!
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188
    DavidL said:

    This is unbelievable. Coming on for 2am and 2 seats declared.

    Hopeless isn't it - constituencies are mostly tiny, why the delay?!
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    All SLAB politicians saying Dudgale must carry only are only doing to avoid become the next leader to be smashed away?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Declaration — Hamilton...
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Hamilton declaration
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    edited May 2016
    Hamilton Larkhall

    SNP 13945
    Lab 8508
    LD 836
    Tories 5596

    SNP hold, swing 5% from Lab to SNP

  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Glascote in Tamworth is a UKIP gain from Lab
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,197
    edited May 2016
    Mortimer said:

    Hopeless isn't it - constituencies are mostly tiny, why the delay?!
    Got a third one now. Comfortable SNP hold. Tory vote well up though and Labour down 10% again.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    Isn't that a Scottish Tory surge? :o
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    SNP "only" up 1000 votes on 2011 in Hamilton.

    Compared to expectations, it might be a tad disappointing night for them.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Hart NOC (Tories largest party)
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    DavidL said:

    Got a third one now. Comfortable SNP hold.
    Its not as though they've got to split the ballot papers up for other elections going on in Scotland today!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,772
    Hamilton:

    Lab -10%
    Con +9%
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    MikeL said:

    Hamilton:

    Lab -10%
    Con +9%

    I'd call that a surge :D
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @alexmassie: Tory vote in Hamilton up by 9 points; that bodes well (I think) for their chances on the list vote. A degree of Labour glumness around.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse: SNP: 48.3% (+0.2) LAB: 29.5% (-9.9) CON: 19.4% (+9.3) LDEM: 2.9% (+0.5) SNP Hold.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    9.5% swing from Labour to Tory in Hamilton
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    hunchman said:

    9.5% swing from Labour to Tory in Hamilton

    Oh baby
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Labour hold Bolton
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @AlbertoNardelli: Sedgley

    CON: 45.4% (+27.2)
    LAB: 43.8% (-16.5)

    Extraordinary swing https://t.co/lSln4CoXxa
  • FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299
    Thornbury playing with her phone live on telly.

    I feel sorry for Labour if she is the best they can rustle up to present their case.



  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Labour hold Hastings
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Labour -14 Tory + 11 in council seats now
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Labour likely to hold Birmingham
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554

    Thornbury playing with her phone live on telly.

    I feel sorry for Labour if she is the best they can rustle up to present their case.



    Just checking if Sheridan has called...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    hunchman said:

    Labour -14 Tory + 11 in council seats now

    UKIP +15, LD -4
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,860

    Just checking if Sheridan has called...
    She looked like she was about to cry as she paused before answering the question about Scotland.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    They have held it now even if they lose all the wards still to declare.
    HYUFD said:

    Labour likely to hold Birmingham

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Walsall NOC
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Tories hold Swindon
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Labour hold Oldham
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    Tories hold Runneymede
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GawainTowler: Sky predicting that @UKIP will win a Scottish seat - @DavidCoburnUKip Hello Holywood... damn it Hollyrood
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Rennie "wins" Fife East - BBC
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554

    She looked like she was about to cry as she paused before answering the question about Scotland.
    He has probably been asking for money again or she finally realised he is gay.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Wales is so slow....
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Jess Phillips and Faisal very chummy on Sky
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Changes in Tamworth will all 10 wards declared, compared to 2012:

    Con -5.1%
    Lab -13.9%
    UKIP +22.2%
    LD -2.3%
    Green -1.4%
    Ind +0.5%
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    Wales is so slow....

    Everywhere is so slow!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554
    edited May 2016
    AndyJS said:

    Changes in Tamworth will all 10 wards declared, compared to 2012:

    Con -5.1%
    Lab -13.9%
    UKIP +22.2%
    LD -2.3%
    Green -1.4%
    Ind +0.5%

    But what about 2015 comparison :-)
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    General Election @UKGE2020

    Current state of English Council seats (2.09am)

    Lab 380 (-16)
    Con 196 (+11)
    LDs 53 (-4)
    Indy 22 (-6)
    UKIP 19 (+15)
    Grn 3 (+1)
    OTH 3 (-1)
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Changes in Tamworth will all 10 wards declared, compared to 2012: Con -5.1% Lab -13.9% UKIP +22.2% LD -2.3% Green -1.4% Ind +0.5%
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    NumbrCrunchrPolitics @NCPoliticsUK

    Lib Dems have taken control of Rugby Borough Council from the Tories #libdemfightback
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