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TheScreamingEagles said:

Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

Maths not your strong suit

Plato_Says said:

FeersumEnjineeya said:

Casino_Royale said:

FeersumEnjineeya said:

Casino_Royale said:

Having heard Dan Hannan orate on two seperate occasions, I thought he was quite quite bonkers. Possibly my only divergence of view with The Rt Rev Professor Nabavi.

I've just watched a video of Dan Hannan glibly claiming that humans will easily be able to adapt to climate change on the basis that people happily live in Helsinki at 5°C and Rio at 31°C. The man's an idiot.

No he isn't. The point he was making is that humans are infinitely adaptable to climates and that it might make more economic sense to adapt ourselves to the inevitable rather than try and cripple the global economy in a futile attempt to try to prevent it entirely. And then he does go on to say sensible environmental protections are a must have.

Idiot? You're not fit to wipe his shoes.

Humans are infinitely adaptable to climate? Right. Strange, then, that the Sahara Desert is not as densely populated as the plains of temperate Europe. We must be missing a trick there. And I'm sure the good inhabitants of Helsinki will have no problems at all adapting to an underwater lifestyle.

No-one is claiming that we can prevent AGW completely - that's neither desirable nor possible. It does, however, make sense to attempt to do whatever is feasible and cost-effective to hinder its progression. There is nothing intrinsically inevitable about it.

You talk such colossal twaddle. The story of the Ark was founded in Egypt when what was then an area very prone to flooding. The Nile changed course and a whole city was abandoned. Millions of migrants are walking to the EU now. You appear to think humans are trapped in amber.

So the loss of one city in ancient Egypt caused sufficient devastation to create a story that has lasted for over 2,000 years. And that is supposed to reassure me that the future loss of all the coastal metropolises around the world won't be a major problem? I'm struggling to see your point.

Of course, humans don't have problems moving. Just so long as they can do without their homes and farmland (and their neighbours will let them in), they'll be just fine.

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

Maths not your strong suit

Well it has. 6% is 3 times 2%

I'm Pizza Hut, trying to feed two children and try and keep up with the latest Labour clusterfuck today.

AlastairMeeks said:

Not that it's going to get much attention today, but this, it seems, was the Remain theme for the day:

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/725648972279365633

Ah the good old "appeal to authority" again

Wanderer said:

AlastairMeeks said:

It's genuinely hard to believe that this rumour is true:

ttps://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200

There's really no hard-to-believe threshold with Milne.

Well he is a Stalinist, and Stalin was a good old zionist wasn't he? Or am I getting confused.

rottenborough said:

Wanderer said:

AlastairMeeks said:

It's genuinely hard to believe that this rumour is true:

ttps://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200

There's really no hard-to-believe threshold with Milne.

Well he is a Stalinist, and Stalin was a good old zionist wasn't he? Or am I getting confused.

Nah, the Zionists were after Stalin, remember the Doctors' plot.

Never trust Doctors always trying to overthrow governments, Jeremy Hunt must know what Stalin went through.

How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??

taffys said:

How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??

???

Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?

Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.

Isn't the BNP short of charismatic new leader with bags of media experience?

MaxPB said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Jeremy Corbyn looks suddenly less secure as Labour leader. The chances of him being ousted must have taken a significant uptick today.

Unfortunately he would still win a landslide in a leadership election under the current rules. Labour's rank and file membership has shifted towards the Corbyn.

It's precisely this type of story that could start to prise his fingers away from his vice-like grip around the Labour membership.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Why are Labourites calling for suspension? Surely he needs to be expelled? What good would sticking him on the naughty step for a few weeks do?

Expelled? Why is he not being arrested? People have been for far less.

Oh right, the establishment really do believe in hierarchies of racism.

rottenborough said:

Isn't the BNP short of charismatic new leader with bags of media experience?

Why on Earth would the BNP want to sully themselves with someone like Livingstone?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.

Fortunately for Corbyn Khan's likely victory next week will secure his position for now, the Jewish vote is largely for Zac anyway

rottenborough said:

Isn't the BNP short of charismatic new leader with bags of media experience?

I would guess that Hug-A-Hitler's public comments are a bit too extreme for the BNPs liking....

Danny565 said:

taffys said:

How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??

???

Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?

What is racist about criticising going to events where women have to go in by the back door?

SeanT said:

AlastairMeeks said:

It's genuinely hard to believe that this rumour is true:

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200

Jesus. Jesus F Christ.

Milne is insane. Him and his ilk simply don't care if they totally destroy Labour. I feel for the likes of Southam.

I think they probably do care; they just have no idea that it's happening. Or if they do have a vague awareness, they have no idea why. Or if they do have an idea why, they know it's not their fault - because it can't be; they are pure and you only destroy purity by mixing it with the impure. Which ironically touches on where Ken was going this lunchtime.

JonnyJimmy said:

ttps://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/725656288093417474

I'd retweet that but he's blocked me

Sandpit said:

Rather annoyingly, Betfair's leader exit date markets are split into quarters rather than years. Corbyn is 10 (9/1) to go before June and 2.0 (evens) to go between Jul and Sep.

Date is when he officially ceases to become leader, not necessarily the day he announces his resignation.

13.5 to lay.

Layne said:

Danny565 said:

taffys said:

How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??

???

Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?

What is racist about criticising going to events where women have to go in by the back door?

If it's racist to talk about "transporting" Jews to the USA (which I definitely think is racist), then it's racist to talk about someone being "radical" and "too dangerous to be mayor" simply because they're Muslim.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.

Bad news for LEAVE as it keeps Cameron off the news.

I know that the BHS and Austin Reed closing down offers on suits are very tempting for Jahadi Jez, but I think he needs to drag himself away and make some clear statement on this issue.

weejonnie said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Contrary to the views of a few REMAINers

http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/04/what-obama-bounce.html

We have now had four polls on the EU referendum since Obama’s visit, as follows:
Remain 51 per cent (- 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 3). (ORB).
Remain 44 per cent (+ 1), Leave 46 per cent (plus 2) (ICM).
Remain 45 per cent (-1), Leave 38 per cent (plus 3) (Survation). And, in this morning’s Times (£) -
Remain 41 per cent (+ 1), Leave 42 per cent (+ 3). (YouGov).

So it is nothing to see here? Let us have more foreign leaders coming here getting a 69 from Cameron and telling UK voters how to vote!

Le Pen - actually that would be a good idea for Leave - the guardianistas and timesmen might attack her - but that is just preaching to the choir. A bit of HNH and UAF violently demonstrating against her and preventing her speaking - now that would help Leave.

I cannot see Le Pen coming here, getting a 69 from Cameron. Now i need a mind clean.

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

Maths not your strong suit

Well it has. 6% is 3 times 2%

STOP

I know. I won't do a Ken. I made a mistake. I'll stop digging.

Sickening footage of Palestinian children pretending to stab Jews exposes 'festival of hate' funded by Jeremy Corbyn’s pet charity

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3561337/As-Labour-anti-Semitism-row-deepens-revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-s-pet-charity-funded-Palestinian-festival-hate-children-dressed-terrorists-acted-murdering-Jews.html

Interesting timing by the Mail to release footage of an event from last week....

MaxPB said:

If this were happening in the Tory party I would be cancelling my membership and monthly donation.

Well, that guy who Cameron mentioned in Parliament last week has shared platforms with various Tories including Zac himself, so it looks like you'd better cancelling.

Claiming Sadiq is racist just because he has a brown face and has the most tenuous "links" to extremists, devalues the valid charges of racism against people like Livingstone and Shah.

Danny565 said:

Layne said:

Danny565 said:

taffys said:

How do all those donkey commentators braying about Zac's campaign look now??

???

Because some in Labour are racist, that makes it OK for the Tories to be racist?

What is racist about criticising going to events where women have to go in by the back door?

If it's racist to talk about "transporting" Jews to the USA (which I definitely think is racist), then it's racist to talk about someone being "radical" and "too dangerous to be mayor" simply because they're Muslim.

No, the people he has associated with and hired to work for him make him too dangerous to be Mayor. It has nothing to do with him being Muslim and everything to do with his poor judgement and poor character.

SeanT said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sean_F said:

AlastairMeeks said:

It's genuinely hard to believe that this rumour is true:

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200

As so often, the truth comes over like bad fiction.

Is this a claim on par with yesterdays bollox about Shahs statement being changed.

I see Mann had his petrol can on that one yesterday nothing when he was proved to be wrong.

Your party is full of liars, racists, Islamists and anti-Semites.

And your full of ........

Anushka Asthana ‎@GuardianAnushka
Ken Livingstone suspended for "bringing the party into disrepute"

Danny565 said:

MaxPB said:

If this were happening in the Tory party I would be cancelling my membership and monthly donation.

Well, that guy who Cameron mentioned in Parliament last week has shared platforms with various Tories including Zac himself, so it looks like you'd better cancelling.

Claiming Sadiq is racist just because he has a brown face and has the most tenuous "links" to extremists, devalues the valid charges of racism against people like Livingstone and Shah.

This idea of "tenuous "...how many examples do you need for it not be tenuous? The list is now very long and often includes very recent ones. At best Khan s a total moron who never checks out the people he hires, which is worrying in itself.

I don't think Londoners will be changing their vote based on Ken's remarks today.

Deck me

Paul Waugh: Ooh and my northern source was right: Chief whip has "summoned John Mann to discuss his conduct."

Any comment from Jeremy Corbyn yet, or has the NEC yet to approve the official statement?

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Anushka Asthana ‎@GuardianAnushka
Ken Livingstone suspended for "bringing the party into disrepute"

Wow that was quick

Danny565 said:

MaxPB said:

If this were happening in the Tory party I would be cancelling my membership and monthly donation.

Well, that guy who Cameron mentioned in Parliament last week has shared platforms with various Tories including Zac himself, so it looks like you'd better cancelling.

Claiming Sadiq is racist just because he has a brown face and has the most tenuous "links" to extremists, devalues the valid charges of racism against people like Livingstone and Shah.

A person he hired into his campaign called the terrorist murder of Lee Rigby an MI5 conspiracy. He has supported someone who was later convicted of funding and supporting terrorists. He has hired two people from the staff of notorious Islamist Lutfur Rahman to work on his campaign. He is the British Muslim who will take on extremists, yes take them on to his staff and as friends.

As I said, instead of just reaching for the "RACIST" button on the Guardian approved keyboard, have a really hard think about what pandering to Muslims has done to your party and if you think it is heading in the right direction.

Corbyn is the new Blair.

Didn't Blair also suspend/kick out Ken too ?

Pulpstar said:

I don't think Londoners will be changing their vote based on Ken's remarks today.

I'm sure there's a section of Londoners who are more intent than ever on voting for labour.

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Zac's chances have improved 300% this morning.

He's up from 2% to 6% on Betfair

Maths not your strong suit

Well it has. 6% is 3 times 2%

I'm Pizza Hut, trying to feed two children and try and keep up with the latest Labour clusterfuck today.

Hope lunchtime buffet hasnt gone up 300%

I had written three threads for this weekend.

Only one will be useful, fecking Corbyn.

Good news, the only usable thread is The AV one.

A 300% REDUCTION IN USEFUL THREADS!!

At least we are left with an interesting one.

67% REDUCTION IN USEFUL THREADS!! - not 300 FFS

TheScreamingEagles said:

Corbyn is the new Blair.

Didn't Blair also suspend/kick out Ken too ?

Which provided one of William Hague's best jokes suggesting a job share. "Frank Dobson can be the day mayor and Ken Livingstone can be the night mayor."

TGOHF said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.

Fortunately for Corbyn Khan's likely victory next week will secure his position for now, the Jewish vote is largely for Zac anyway

This level of denial I find particularly delicious - this is all out civil war.

Corbo could be out within days.

Unless Goldsmith wins next week there is zero chance of that, Labour had a poll lead with yougov last night, the PLP is gutless and it would trigger a membership revolution

well, this is an interesting day...

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Wow - this Livingstone row is extraordinary being extensively covered on the broadcast media. This must require his immediate expulsion (not suspension) and Corbyn's position itself must be under threat. There will never be a better time for the shadow cabinet to exit en masse and make it impossible for this Corbyn - Livingstone axis to continue.

Fortunately for Corbyn Khan's likely victory next week will secure his position for now, the Jewish vote is largely for Zac anyway

The issue has become much wider than the mayoral election. This is an event that must result in the decent labour mps rising up and taking back control from the hard left. The timing the week before the 5th May elections may cause serious harm for labour. I thought IDS resignation was timed to harm Osborne and the remainers, but this is on a different scale. A sensational way to take the EU and Hillsborough off the headlines

Which Labour voters now are going to change their vote because of this remark? Next to nobody, the core Corbyn vote will largely agree with much of what Livingstone said

bigjohnowls said:

SeanT said:

bigjohnowls said:

Sean_F said:

AlastairMeeks said:

It's genuinely hard to believe that this rumour is true:

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/725656232082739200

As so often, the truth comes over like bad fiction.

Is this a claim on par with yesterdays bollox about Shahs statement being changed.

I see Mann had his petrol can on that one yesterday nothing when he was proved to be wrong.

Your party is full of liars, racists, Islamists and anti-Semites.

And your full of ........

Come on. We both know Sean exaggerates. Labour isn't 'full' of liars, racists, Islamists and anti-Semites; it just has rather more than a mainstream party should.

p.s. "you're".

MaxPB said:

Ken suspended. He should have been banned for life.

He will get a wrap on the knuckle and be reinstated by Christmas

Ooh and my northern source was right: Chief whip has "summoned John Mann to discuss his conduct."

Hug A Hitler was apparently live on air with James O'Brien (LBC) when John Mann confronted him.