Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

The 2020 Euro final thread – politicalbetting.com

1235789

Comments

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    This is why it's such a fundamentally shit game. Far too many results against the run of play.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,617
    For only the second time in my 13 years of doing events at Wembley, a total closure order has been issued on every licensed premises within 5 miles of the stadium. All bars, pubs and restaurants are to close at the final whistle without exception. It’s been as bad as you think.

    https://twitter.com/notoriousBIGDP/status/1414324609411911683
  • kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    Nah. That's bollocks.

    I mean if it's like 60:40 okay but this hasn't been since about the 25th minute.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874
    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    Yes. Denmark won the whole lot in 1992 despite failing to qualify for the tournament. And I still don’t know how Greece won in 2004.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    For only the second time in my 13 years of doing events at Wembley, a total closure order has been issued on every licensed premises within 5 miles of the stadium. All bars, pubs and restaurants are to close at the final whistle without exception. It’s been as bad as you think.

    https://twitter.com/notoriousBIGDP/status/1414324609411911683

    Chill, it's just Ther Lads.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    This is why it's such a fundamentally shit game. Far too many results against the run of play.
    It also means that lesser quality teams have more of a shot than most games. Have a good day and some luck and you can beat the best, which can be harder in longer, more technical games.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,012
    edited July 2021

    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    Nah. That's bollocks.

    I mean if it's like 60:40 okay but this hasn't been since about the 25th minute.
    It is not percentage possession it is goals that win games
  • kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    Yes. Denmark won the whole lot in 1992 despite failing to qualify for the tournament. And I still don’t know how Greece won in 2004.

    Yeah but Denmark were brilliant in 1992. The whole story of them coming off the beach is legend.

    England are just bloody dull. Or have been since the first half. Sitting soooooooo deep. Out of possession.

    Any neutral will want the best side to win. That's Italy.

    We need to get back into it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    This is why it's such a fundamentally shit game. Far too many results against the run of play.
    Because snooker is so more a gripping spectacle
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046

    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    Nah. That's bollocks.

    I mean if it's like 60:40 okay but this hasn't been since about the 25th minute.
    What's bollocks about it? Teams demonstrably do win despite having been under the kosh. Sometimes that's down to pure luck, but other times it's tenacity and seizing your chances. England have been second best for most of this game, but haven't held out so far due to pure luck, if Italy cannot break them down some of that is down to England.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    This is why it's such a fundamentally shit game. Far too many results against the run of play.
    Because snooker is so more a gripping spectacle
    A fundamentally immature sport. Not had its Heysel moment yet.


  • kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    Nah. That's bollocks.

    I mean if it's like 60:40 okay but this hasn't been since about the 25th minute.
    It is not percentage possession it is goals that win games
    Obviously.

    But it was 80% Italian possession and they have been looking way more dangerous for vast periods of the match.

    I'm a season ticket holder at a big club until recently so I do know a bit about this game. That's why it's so frustrating.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    Those Italian fans looking happy, the England fans look nervous.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,207
    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    This is why it's such a fundamentally shit game. Far too many results against the run of play.
    It also means that lesser quality teams have more of a shot than most games. Have a good day and some luck and you can beat the best, which can be harder in longer, more technical games.
    And while that's unsatisfactory if the aim is to find the best team, it makes for much better entertainment.

    Possibly too much entertainment.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    It seems very quiet this evening.
  • Slightly better 1st half of ET but we're not playing very well.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    This has damn penalties written all over it.
  • kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    Nah. That's bollocks.

    I mean if it's like 60:40 okay but this hasn't been since about the 25th minute.
    What's bollocks about it? Teams demonstrably do win despite having been under the kosh. Sometimes that's down to pure luck, but other times it's tenacity and seizing your chances. England have been second best for most of this game, but haven't held out so far due to pure luck, if Italy cannot break them down some of that is down to England.
    Because we've been crap since about the 30th minute. Vastly outplayed by a better side.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    edited July 2021

    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    Yes. Denmark won the whole lot in 1992 despite failing to qualify for the tournament. And I still don’t know how Greece won in 2004.

    Yeah but Denmark were brilliant in 1992. The whole story of them coming off the beach is legend.

    England are just bloody dull. Or have been since the first half. Sitting soooooooo deep. Out of possession.

    Any neutral will want the best side to win. That's Italy.

    We need to get back into it.
    Italy will feel very aggrieved if they do lose it - and it would probably be by penalties at this point as England don't look very likely - but you have to beat what's in front of you. If they cannot beat England over 120 minutes despite being the better team that tells a story that they clearly won't have played that well, and can only blame themselves if they leave it to the footballing gods in a shoot out.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    Yes. Denmark won the whole lot in 1992 despite failing to qualify for the tournament. And I still don’t know how Greece won in 2004.

    Yeah but Denmark were brilliant in 1992. The whole story of them coming off the beach is legend.

    England are just bloody dull. Or have been since the first half. Sitting soooooooo deep. Out of possession.

    Any neutral will want the best side to win. That's Italy.

    We need to get back into it.
    Italy will feel very aggrieved if they do lose it - and it would probably be by penalties at this point as England don't look very likely - but you have to beat what's in front of you. If they cannot beat England over 120 minutes despite being the better team that tells a story that they clearly won't have played that well, and can only blame themselves if they leave it to the footballing gods in a shoot out.
    Tbf. We have also defended well. Very few clear chances, despite all their possession.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    Foxy said:

    Those Italian fans looking happy, the England fans look nervous.

    Sure! For Italy they know how to win tournaments. It isn't a national trauma if they lose.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    edited July 2021

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    Nah. That's bollocks.

    I mean if it's like 60:40 okay but this hasn't been since about the 25th minute.
    What's bollocks about it? Teams demonstrably do win despite having been under the kosh. Sometimes that's down to pure luck, but other times it's tenacity and seizing your chances. England have been second best for most of this game, but haven't held out so far due to pure luck, if Italy cannot break them down some of that is down to England.
    Because we've been crap since about the 30th minute. Vastly outplayed by a better side.
    I feel like we're talking at cross purposes. You're saying they've been outplayed by a better side and I don't disagree. The point was better teams lose matches too.

    Perhaps you disliked my suggestion the poorer teams 'deserve' it for having held on in those situations, but I stand by it - if the good team cannot break down the poorer team then every credit to those who hold out and sneak a win.

    And they clearly haven't been 'vastly' outplayed, or it would not be 1-1, with only a few notable chances. They've been outplayed.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,772
    IshmaelZ said:

    IanB2 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    This is why it's such a fundamentally shit game. Far too many results against the run of play.
    Because snooker is so more a gripping spectacle
    A fundamentally immature sport. Not had its Heysel moment yet.
    Snooker is more gripping, really.
    IshmaelZ is right.
    Another reason football is a fundamentally shit game is that in most sports if you cheat and get caught you are worse off than if you hadn't cheated. Often, not so football. It is set up to reward cheating.
    I am feeling irritated because the only possible outcome I can see from here is disappointment yet my daughters who are not ye t hardened to England failure want to stay up and watch it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Scott_xP said:

    England winning on penalties would be fitting for Southgate

    I rather fear the players knowing what their manger is famous for might not be good for the concentration
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,617
    Do you know what I think is happening here? At half time, Lee Anderson swallowed his pride and started watching the game.

    https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1414334755412267010
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,812

    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    Yes. Denmark won the whole lot in 1992 despite failing to qualify for the tournament. And I still don’t know how Greece won in 2004.

    Denmark replaced Yugoslavia who didn't exist in 1992
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,772

    Foxy said:

    Those Italian fans looking happy, the England fans look nervous.

    Sure! For Italy they know how to win tournaments. It isn't a national trauma if they lose.
    Yes, famously indifferent to football and sanguine about outcomes, yer Italian.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826



    kle4 said:

    We don't really deserve to win this

    Teams that don't deserve it win all the time. In a way, if you manage to eke out a win despite not seeming to deserve it, you probably deserve it even more for having overcome your being not as good.
    Nah. That's bollocks.

    I mean if it's like 60:40 okay but this hasn't been since about the 25th minute.
    It is not percentage possession it is goals that win games
    Obviously.

    But it was 80% Italian possession and they have been looking way more dangerous for vast periods of the match.

    I'm a season ticket holder at a big club until recently so I do know a bit about this game. That's why it's so frustrating.
    That's too negative an outlook.

    Its not unusual for the team defending a lead to let possession slip as they become more defensive. Had we kept a clean sheet then nobody much would have mentioned the possession tomorrow.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    England need to treat this as a battle - defend, defend, defend, then wait for the Prussians to arrive.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    Those Italian fans looking happy, the England fans look nervous.

    Sure! For Italy they know how to win tournaments. It isn't a national trauma if they lose.
    Yes, famously indifferent to football and sanguine about outcomes, yer Italian.
    Was it Churchill who said Italians treat football like war and wars like it is football?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    We are definitely having the best of the ET.
  • This is waaaaaay better. Come on.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    Have only watched extra time, but England look lively going forward and wobbly when the Italians break.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    That could have been a second Italian red.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    I wish I'd bet on it going to penalties.
  • Can the French come on, then they can surrender
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    Is John Terry coming on for the penalties?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046

    That could have been a second Italian red.

    Yellow at the very least, seen them given. I hope a narrative about those challenges doesn't linger if we lose.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Sancho and Rashford coming on - for penalties?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Emerson’s almost the only Italian player who couldn’t be a pasta shape
  • Perhaps we should try walking it in
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    IanB2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    England winning on penalties would be fitting for Southgate

    I rather fear the players knowing what their manger is famous for might not be good for the concentration
    No worries, it only takes 25 years and success as manager of the national team to restore a reputation.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    I seem to recall an FA cup match where the manager put on a new keeper in the last minute of Extra Time, which was a ballsy move if it had gone wrong.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Henderson hasn't been on for long.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    kle4 said:

    I seem to recall an FA cup match where the manager put on a new keeper in the last minute of Extra Time, which was a ballsy move if it had gone wrong.

    The Netherlands did it. Brought on Krull for the pens.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    Henderson hasn't been on for long.

    He hardly made a mark
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    Here we go. ..
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    So it’ll be a crap way to decide a tournament
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Penalties is pushing the narrative arc thing a bit too much for me.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    IanB2 said:

    Henderson hasn't been on for long.

    He hardly made a mark
    I thought Henderson good at penalties.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,949
    FOR FUCKS SAKE
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,978

    Penalties is pushing the narrative arc thing a bit too much for me.

    It's going straight to DVD...
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    IanB2 said:

    So it’ll be a crap way to decide a tournament

    Replay, everyone comes back Wednesday, we go again.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Some of us have early meetings, we could have done without this.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    So it’s the dreaded spot kicks.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Pickford's had more to do, maybe he'll be more on the ball, as it were?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    kle4 said:

    Some of us have early meetings, we could have done without this.

    Some of us have early meetings, and it’s now 1:45am!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    As someone relatively indifferent about football these days I am delighted its gone to penalties. Top class drama.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Snooker matches don't go to fcking penalties
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,859
    I've bottled it and greened up on Betfair.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    IshmaelZ said:

    Snooker matches don't go to fcking penalties

    Davis - Taylor did.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    IshmaelZ said:

    Snooker matches don't go to fcking penalties

    Though the black ball finish in the '85 final...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    The two brought on to take penalties will be feeling the pressure now.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    Look, one of two things happen. You either slay your tournament AND penalties dragon with one blow. Or you don't. Double or nothing.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,812
    Oh shit!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,859

    I've bottled it and greened up on Betfair.

    So did a lot of other people by the look of the sudden drop in Italy's price.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    Pickford saves.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    Pickford.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,772
    No way England win from here.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,812
    Saved!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,772
    I'm going to bed.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    That's how to take a pen!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Wtf
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    Best. Penalty. Ever.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    Damn.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,617
    Fucking Rashford fannying about.

    Hate it when a player does that
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,870

    Fucking Rashford fannying about.

    Hate it when a player does that

    Perhaps if he spent more time on his actual job than poncing about on twitter
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Those two substitutions were a waste of time
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    So bringing people on to take penalties is a bad idea.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,617
    Manchester United players have cost us here.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    Smart move with the subs, not
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Twit
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895

    Best. Penalty. Ever.

    And again. Didn't they say they have been practicing these every training session?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    Well....

    Love penalties!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    Pickford.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Missed
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    And cue the fucking riots.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,012
    Congratulations Italy
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,617
    I'm done with international football.

    Always break my heart.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    What crap subs.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
    Are you not entertained?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Italy win, it all went wrong then when Rashford spent all his time campaigning against the government rather than practicing his penalties
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    When your keeper saves 2 and you still lose, that's a bit shit
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited July 2021
    At least it doesn’t all fall on one guy this time
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585
    So penalty shootout decisions becomes the defining feature of Southgate's playing career and managerial career.
  • HYUFD said:

    Italy win, it all went wrong then when Rashford spent all his time campaigning against the government rather than practicing his penalties

    Absurd.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    It's coming to Rome says winning Italian player
This discussion has been closed.