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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,402
    TOPPING said:

    LOL Gary Lineker - England have a 100% winning record in major finals.

    "LOL Gary Lineker" - that phrase doesn't compute.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Another EUFA fine on its way then.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546

    Shout out to the teachers of PB (and the England squad).

    The little un's school has said the kids don't need to be in until 10.30 tomorrow.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Alistair said:

    Now this is terrifying. Look how quickly it goes from "crowd" to "crush".

    All in a pretty open environment.

    https://twitter.com/MUHQNews/status/1414269947610550275?s=19

    Absolute nightmare fuel for me.

    Because football supporters are pricks.

    Not just a few bad apples.

    Well done Southgate with the military talk.
    Hang on. I'm a football supporter. Do you mean me?
    I can't really work from isolated data points like that, but are you entirely happy aligning yourself with the people in that video clip, and the people who inevitably tonight are going to intimidate and assault Italians and smash Italian cars and businesses because they are Ther Lads, and that is how Ther Lads behave?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,352
    Guardian reporting that fans without tickets have forced their way into the stadium.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/11/euro-2020-final-wembley-fans-break-barrier-england-italy
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    Trying to remain calm - but, this really is historic…
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173

    Booing Italy, what a bunch of yobs

    Whereas the Italian fans just boo black players.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046

    Booing Italy, what a bunch of yobs

    And such a great anthem to boot, shame to boo that even if you want to be a fool and boo the other team's anthem.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    tlg86 said:

    Booing Italy, what a bunch of yobs

    Whereas the Italian fans just boo black players.
    Two wrongs don't make a right.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    Poor turnout at my Buddhist class this evening. Down 40%.
    Fortunately, the teacher wanted to watch the footy too! Kudos to me.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,858
    Liked the God Save Raheem flag during the national anthem.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    tlg86 said:

    Booing Italy, what a bunch of yobs

    Whereas the Italian fans just boo black players.
    Italy took the knee too.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,402
    FPT - on football violence, Dominic Sandbrook researched this quite heavily for his books on post-war Britain and it basically came down to "it's good fun".

    It was a function of mixed generation crowds from grounds being pushed out by the rise of terraces and ticket prices, and social change including the rise of affluence.

    The older dads and granddads used to act as a brake on bad behaviour, all part of tight knit working-class communities, but then it got expensive and they could more comfortably watch it at home on the weekends with their families on the telly so the terraces came to be dominated by young men, who were willing to pay and used it as an outlet for their testosterone fuelled fight club fantasies.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,169
    Good crowd in
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Wow
  • GOALLLL
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    What were Italy thinking of?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,012
    edited July 2021
    Luke Shaw yesssssss
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Deliberately conceding that corner was clearly the start of a cunning plan
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    We scored a point
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    At least we won't have long periods of negative Italian play.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173
    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    Booing Italy, what a bunch of yobs

    Whereas the Italian fans just boo black players.
    Italy took the knee too.
    They need to do it in Serie A, they’re the ones who need educating.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    Not a bad start...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,352
    No. F-ing. Way!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    So I can tell from this that the online broadcast is about 1 minute behind.
  • kle4 said:

    So I can tell from this that the online broadcast is about 1 minute behind.

    It always is, various reasons for that unfortunately
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874
    Andy_JS said:

    What were Italy thinking of?

    Did you see that ludicrous display last night?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,811
    OMG we scored already??
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    Booing Italy, what a bunch of yobs

    It's tradition.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    My BBC internet broadcast is bloody miles behind
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Just park the bus now.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    Didn't a full back score early in the WC Semi too?
  • Live streaming is always behind, it's something I am sure that is being worked on - but it impacts all streaming services
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Andy_JS said:

    What were Italy thinking of?

    Did you see that ludicrous display last night?

    What was Wenger thinking!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    dixiedean said:

    Didn't a full back score early in the WC Semi too?

    Harry Maguire I recall.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,402
    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    Booing Italy, what a bunch of yobs

    Whereas the Italian fans just boo black players.
    Italy took the knee too.
    Has any team facing England in this tournament not done the same?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    If only England knew how to play 90 minutes of grim defensive football.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Didn't a full back score early in the WC Semi too?

    Harry Maguire I recall.
    Trippier.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    Booing Italy, what a bunch of yobs

    Whereas the Italian fans just boo black players.
    Italy took the knee too.
    Has any team facing England in this tournament not done the same?
    I don't think Denmark did, though they did applaud.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173

    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    Booing Italy, what a bunch of yobs

    Whereas the Italian fans just boo black players.
    Italy took the knee too.
    Has any team facing England in this tournament not done the same?
    Ukraine.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,858

    Live streaming is always behind, it's something I am sure that is being worked on - but it impacts all streaming services

    Live stream delays are important for in-running betting. On horseracing you are looking at maybe 2 seconds behind, not two minutes like this. (Getting shot of Flash did not help: it might have been a security nightmare but it was fast.)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    True British weather
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,858
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Didn't a full back score early in the WC Semi too?

    Harry Maguire I recall.
    My 80/1 Maguire first scorer bet has gone down (hoping for a header from a set piece). You could probably take the shop home if you backed Shaw.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Didn't a full back score early in the WC Semi too?

    Harry Maguire I recall.
    Trippier.
    Correct, Maguire was the QF against Sweden. Just checked.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    O/t:

    The little 'un has never watched a match before, and knows noting about the game. He's written a side of A4 on what's happened so far, concentrating on things like the ball being delivered by a toy car.

    Meanwhile, I'm bored stiff ...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    I see the British weather is trying to play its part against the Italians, which is good of it.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Live streaming is always behind, it's something I am sure that is being worked on - but it impacts all streaming services

    Live stream delays are important for in-running betting. On horseracing you are looking at maybe 2 seconds behind, not two minutes like this. (Getting shot of Flash did not help: it might have been a security nightmare but it was fast.)
    Nothing to do with the player. Encoding the hi def video stream for going over the Web is a inherently laggy operation. Back when flash was the player video streams were much lower bit rate both at source and over the Web.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,207

    FPT - on football violence, Dominic Sandbrook researched this quite heavily for his books on post-war Britain and it basically came down to "it's good fun".

    It was a function of mixed generation crowds from grounds being pushed out by the rise of terraces and ticket prices, and social change including the rise of affluence.

    The older dads and granddads used to act as a brake on bad behaviour, all part of tight knit working-class communities, but then it got expensive and they could more comfortably watch it at home on the weekends with their families on the telly so the terraces came to be dominated by young men, who were willing to pay and used it as an outlet for their testosterone fuelled fight club fantasies.

    It is interesting how it has become an accepted form of bad behaviour - if any other activity required so much policing to prevent violence, it would be shut down on the spot.

    The funny thing is how the partisans of football regard this - IIRC when a football player literally kicked off vs some England rugby players in an Irish pub, some tried to present it as a Thugby problem.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,858
    edited July 2021

    O/t:

    The little 'un has never watched a match before, and knows noting about the game. He's written a side of A4 on what's happened so far, concentrating on things like the ball being delivered by a toy car.

    Meanwhile, I'm bored stiff ...

    Yeah but when he is your age, he can bore his littl'un with how he watched England win. And not look silly in front of his schoolmates tomorrow.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046

    O/t:

    The little 'un has never watched a match before, and knows noting about the game. He's written a side of A4 on what's happened so far, concentrating on things like the ball being delivered by a toy car.

    Meanwhile, I'm bored stiff ...

    Yeah but when he is your age, he can bore his littl'un with how he watched England win. And not look silly in front of his schoolmates tomorrow.
    When the Alpha Centaurians have laid waste to many of our cities it will be important to hold on to such memories.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    It really is the hope that kills you
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,655

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Didn't a full back score early in the WC Semi too?

    Harry Maguire I recall.
    My 80/1 Maguire first scorer bet has gone down (hoping for a header from a set piece). You could probably take the shop home if you backed Shaw.
    https://twitter.com/kane_tingle10/status/1414253074877718528/photo/1
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,402
    tlg86 said:

    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    Booing Italy, what a bunch of yobs

    Whereas the Italian fans just boo black players.
    Italy took the knee too.
    Has any team facing England in this tournament not done the same?
    Ukraine.
    Thanks
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Which politician has been quickest off the mark to tweet about the goal?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,207

    Alistair said:

    Now this is terrifying. Look how quickly it goes from "crowd" to "crush".

    All in a pretty open environment.

    https://twitter.com/MUHQNews/status/1414269947610550275?s=19

    Absolute nightmare fuel for me.

    One of the smartest things i experienced was at Rock am Ring in Germany. Its gets 100k people so needs serious crowd control. What they did was have 4 differenet areas at different distances from the stage, all railed off, with a fairly big gap in between each with security.

    If you wanted to go to a different areas, you had to go to the side, out to an open space, and then proceed forward, which was security controlled and there was a traffic light system. Red....full can't come in...yellow..very busy...green...quiet.

    You couldn't get the massive wave crush occurring and if somebody did fall ill or rammed against a barrier, it was much easier for the security to get in and help.

    And they monitored the numbers, so no area overfilled.
    I contrast that with seeing Bruce Springsteen at the Circus Maximus in Rome.

    For those who don't know it - the remains of the ancient Roman chariot racing track - just a long straight shallow valley, now.

    There were multiple hundreds of thousand of people in it. No anti-crush barriers or attempt at control. No marked clear lanes or routes..... If the back had surged....

    I took one look and got us onto the side slope (where the seats were in Roman times). Good view of the concert, as well.

    Thankfully nothing happened. But if it had....
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    Holy shit…England playing well
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    edited July 2021
    Given he's made Wimbledon and the Euro final is Cruise going for The Open and the Grand Prix for a full set of sporting events?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    This could be the craziest night on Scottish Twitter since Kate Moss read out a pro-Union message on behalf of David Bowie at the Brits in 2014

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1414290426635472897?s=20
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Holy shit…England playing well

    Not looking nervous or overawed.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Seeing rather too much Tom Cruise today for my liking.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    kinabalu said:

    Seeing rather too much Tom Cruise today for my liking.

    It's a risky business attending so many events.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    edited July 2021
    Hoping this means that Scotland will be the only team not beaten by England in this tournament ... Does that mean that they are runners up?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350

    Holy shit…England playing well

    Really? I thought they were playing Italy.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    Foxy said:

    Holy shit…England playing well

    Not looking nervous or overawed.
    I’m not used to this at all..
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 757

    This could be the craziest night on Scottish Twitter since Kate Moss read out a pro-Union message on behalf of David Bowie at the Brits in 2014

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1414290426635472897?s=20

    We hold a grudge. 1840 years of hurt
    https://twitter.com/TrimontiumTrust/status/1411616790929723393
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,655
    kinabalu said:

    Seeing rather too much Tom Cruise today for my liking.

    Back to back MI films?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,811
    edited July 2021
    kinabalu said:

    Seeing rather too much Tom Cruise today for my liking.

    Just someone wearing a disguise like in the Mission Impossible films!
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028

    kinabalu said:

    Seeing rather too much Tom Cruise today for my liking.

    Back to back MI films?
    Tom cruise has been everywhere recently - Wimbledon, good wood festival of speed, euro finals..

    Lucky omen?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,169
    Who advised laying England again :D ?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    Well left Pickford.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397

    Shaw has been absolutely top class all game.

    Credit to Southgate. This back 3 is allowing him and Trippier a field day.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Unsurprisingly a tight game, feels like there's been about 3 shots total from either side.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,655
    Half way there.

    Mission Impossible for Italy according to some bloke in a Tom Cruise mask
  • England need another, Italy were playing a lot better in that final period
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,043

    Shaw has been absolutely top class all game.

    Positively cultured; looks more assured on the ball than Sterling tonight.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,615
    Glad I didn't get tickets.

    Unbelievable footage of violence in Wembley tonight. A literal child gets punched by a full grown man and an Asian man is kicked repeatedly in the head by several people. Disgusting behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1414294866704617486
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    So, who had Luke Shaw for first scorer?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,615
    Pulpstar said:

    Who advised laying England again :D ?

    Fortunately I got out of that hole with my pre tournament tips of laying Spain and backing Italy.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    A wonderful goal from Shaw, hit the ball hard, low and kept the ball on target, a textbook shot on how to score a goal.

    It has been a more exciting game than I first thought.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028

    England need another, Italy were playing a lot better in that final period

    They were improving - but still finding it difficult
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Bloody hell - stressful or what :smiley:
  • https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1414294866704617486

    That's literally assault against a child, when they find that man he's going to jail for a long time
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,858

    England need another, Italy were playing a lot better in that final period

    Chiesa and Emerson look dangerous. The rest?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,402

    Glad I didn't get tickets.

    Unbelievable footage of violence in Wembley tonight. A literal child gets punched by a full grown man and an Asian man is kicked repeatedly in the head by several people. Disgusting behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1414294866704617486

    That's why I detest football. That sort of culture.

    Hopefully all these hooligans will be identified and prosecuted.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Glad I didn't get tickets.

    Unbelievable footage of violence in Wembley tonight. A literal child gets punched by a full grown man and an Asian man is kicked repeatedly in the head by several people. Disgusting behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1414294866704617486

    Just Ther Lads letting off steam, god bless em.
  • Glad I didn't get tickets.

    Unbelievable footage of violence in Wembley tonight. A literal child gets punched by a full grown man and an Asian man is kicked repeatedly in the head by several people. Disgusting behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1414294866704617486

    That's why I detest football. That sort of culture.

    Hopefully all these hooligans will be identified and prosecuted.
    We rarely agree but I very much agree with this
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,655

    Glad I didn't get tickets.

    Unbelievable footage of violence in Wembley tonight. A literal child gets punched by a full grown man and an Asian man is kicked repeatedly in the head by several people. Disgusting behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1414294866704617486

    You dont need tickets to get in Wembley

    Security of the stadium is disgraceful
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173

    Glad I didn't get tickets.

    Unbelievable footage of violence in Wembley tonight. A literal child gets punched by a full grown man and an Asian man is kicked repeatedly in the head by several people. Disgusting behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1414294866704617486

    I’ve watched that three times - where is the child?

    I notice the stewards chucked the Asian guy out.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,615

    Glad I didn't get tickets.

    Unbelievable footage of violence in Wembley tonight. A literal child gets punched by a full grown man and an Asian man is kicked repeatedly in the head by several people. Disgusting behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1414294866704617486

    That's why I detest football. That sort of culture.

    Hopefully all these hooligans will be identified and prosecuted.
    International football brings out the worst in people.

    Club football isn't like this, fortunately.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    On some of the more outlandish scare stories:

    A million! That’s 850,000 more deaths. MRC estimates the IFR is now 0.085%. A million deaths would require there to be 1 billion people in the UK.

    https://twitter.com/doug_no1/status/1414152664829546499?s=21
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,811

    Glad I didn't get tickets.

    Unbelievable footage of violence in Wembley tonight. A literal child gets punched by a full grown man and an Asian man is kicked repeatedly in the head by several people. Disgusting behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1414294866704617486

    That's why I detest football. That sort of culture.

    Hopefully all these hooligans will be identified and prosecuted.
    International football brings out the worst in people.

    Club football isn't like this, fortunately.
    Heysel?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1414294866704617486

    That's literally assault against a child, when they find that man he's going to jail for a long time

    As he should
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,812

    Glad I didn't get tickets.

    Unbelievable footage of violence in Wembley tonight. A literal child gets punched by a full grown man and an Asian man is kicked repeatedly in the head by several people. Disgusting behaviour.

    https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1414294866704617486

    That's why I detest football. That sort of culture.

    Hopefully all these hooligans will be identified and prosecuted.
    International football brings out the worst in people.

    Club football isn't like this, fortunately.
    That is a remarkable statement from a Manc, vide Sevco Rangers FC.
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