As I said earlier today, I wonder if it was all part of the big clubs attempt to hard ball UEFA into a different champions league format, given the new CL announcement was set for the monday, but UEFA wouldn't budge and it either got leaked / they thought they throwing it out there as a threat that look we have done more than just claim we could do it....
One thing that suggests things weren't quite right, the announcement, weird leak on a Sunday afternoon and then delayed official announcement, with just a written statement and inconsistent briefing about the money etc. And the uncertainty of who was actually in and out.
You expect the announcement of a new super league to be all glitz and glamour and all the owners sitting their proudly signing on the dotted line. Yes there is COVID, but it wasn't what you expect from the announcement of what they were trying to say was going to be the biggest competition in world football.
I can't wait for the Premier League to apply the yearly "fit and proper owners" test and conclude the Glazer Family, FGS, Roman Abramovich, etc are "fit and proper owners".
Don't remember any of them killing a Journalist though (and I do want Ashley gone just not to Saudi).
Without starting this argument up again, PIF has not killed anyone. it's a corporate entity.
Regardless we all know Saudi Arabia is going to buy one of Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, or Manchester United and it will be totally fine.
But PIF's top people helped violate the Premier League's TV rights in MENA.
Can you show me any other owners who have done that?
Regardless, we all know Saudi Arabia is now going to buy one of Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, or Manchester United and it will be totally fine.
It won't be.
The PL will not let the value of their rights be diminished.
Anyone who does that will not be able to buy a PL club.
Remember the WTO published a report which showed the Saudis had been launching all sorts of IP violations and rights violations and what did the Saudis do?
Published a fake report with WTO logos on it saying the WTO says the Saudis had done nothing wrong.
This was during the time they were trying to prove to the PL that they were fit and proper owners.
The PL's big 6 have seriously diminished the PL's rights all on their own and will likely face no sanctions.
I maintain that this whole thing is b*llocks and is just an attempt to avoid competition. Of course you as a Liverpool fan have a vested interest in reducing competition.
So basically this super league rubbish has just shown us all the clubs who deserve support and those who doesn’t. Feel for those fans who support those 6 who attempted to break away
I’m annoyed it’s fallen apart to be honest. My mates will pressure me to go back, but I can’t whilst Kroenke owns Arsenal.
These clubs deserve to suffer. To quote Mark Corrigan: I want compensation. I want reparations. I want the Rhineland. It’s going to be 1919 all over again. Fuck the inevitable backlash!
🚨 BREAKING: Andrea Agnelli has resigned as the president of Juventus after the backlash over the European Super League. #awlfc [talksport]
Its an exciting format they have for the ESL knockout stage! Normally its the clubs getting knocked out, instead we get the chairmen getting thrown out. ESL final will be Daniel Levy wrestling with Stan Kronke
I have 2 elections to vote in and in both I only have 1 real choice (albeit it Labour for Durham Police Commissioner because the policies of the Tory candidate are insane if you know the real economics).
But I really do wonder what the Labour party were thinking when they've been picking candidates around here
JJJ - a godawful self-promoting shyster. Told Progress that she was their candidate, then told Momentum she was their candidate. Was rejected as potential candidate for Stockton South in 2017 because shite. Imposed as mayoral candidate thanks to Unite backing and their team telling CLPs an incorrect version of selection rules to only shortlist her. When CLPs decided to follow the rules they simply had the other candidate disbarred for something written in support of a non-Labour candidate before he was a party member. She celebrates her "selection" by doing the same crime without penalty. So many of the local activists loathe her and the campaign materials put out are hilariously bad.
She’s a dreadful candidate., many in the party seem to openly mock her. Her only support seems to come from the Northern Echo Facebook feed with friendly articles receiving mostly criticism. One of her recent wheezes was to campaign with Jet from Gladiators to save the blast furnace in Redcar as a tourist attraction. Her main role seems to be running a quango promoting small producers of local food.
I can't wait for the Premier League to apply the yearly "fit and proper owners" test and conclude the Glazer Family, FGS, Roman Abramovich, etc are "fit and proper owners".
Don't remember any of them killing a Journalist though (and I do want Ashley gone just not to Saudi).
Without starting this argument up again, PIF has not killed anyone. it's a corporate entity.
Regardless we all know Saudi Arabia is going to buy one of Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, or Manchester United and it will be totally fine.
But PIF's top people helped violate the Premier League's TV rights in MENA.
Can you show me any other owners who have done that?
Regardless, we all know Saudi Arabia is now going to buy one of Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, or Manchester United and it will be totally fine.
It won't be.
The PL will not let the value of their rights be diminished.
Anyone who does that will not be able to buy a PL club.
Remember the WTO published a report which showed the Saudis had been launching all sorts of IP violations and rights violations and what did the Saudis do?
Published a fake report with WTO logos on it saying the WTO says the Saudis had done nothing wrong.
This was during the time they were trying to prove to the PL that they were fit and proper owners.
The PL's big 6 have seriously diminished the PL's rights all on their own and will likely face no sanctions.
I maintain that this whole thing is b*llocks and is just an attempt to avoid competition. Of course you as a Liverpool fan have a vested interest in reducing competition.
So basically this super league rubbish has just shown us all the clubs who deserve support and those who don’t. Feel for those fans who support those 6 who attempted to break away
Liverpool have squandered a century of goodwill. Disaster
Heysel anybody? Anyways the Everton statement earlier today is worth reading in full. By far the strongest and most eloquent response of any club.
Conspiracy theory re ESL...... the premier league clubs know Real Madrid and Barcelona are fcked financially. They march them up the hill and cause huge damage to them, they make them waste time thinking there is a golden ticket financially to fill their black hole. Pull out leaving them high and dry. Sure, the six get bad press but if it all goes back to before then they are in strongest league financially and all ok. Rest of premier league know the money from overseas is to watch them not Leicester etc. Kiss and make up. Force UEFA to change payments, job done. But Barcelona, real, Juventus are screwed. You either love or hate in England Man Utd, Liverpool etc. As a Liverpool fan of 40 years who hates idea of ESL I hope this was floated as an upside. Disrupt the status quo and get all the presents or at worst screw the enemies...ll
🚨 BREAKING: Andrea Agnelli has resigned as the president of Juventus after the backlash over the European Super League. #awlfc [talksport]
Though these are just face saving resignations for the cabals that run the clubs, it is encouraging that they believe they need to save face. Whatever else they might say about legitimate concerns and good intentions, it shows you are right that this was a serious plan not just a negotiating ploy, as they would not feel such a need to toss some chum to the sharks over something going to plan.
So basically this super league rubbish has just shown us all the clubs who deserve support and those who doesn’t. Feel for those fans who support those 6 who attempted to break away
I’m annoyed it’s fallen apart to be honest. My mates will pressure me to go back, but I can’t whilst Kroenke owns Arsenal.
These clubs deserve to suffer. To quote Mark Corrigan: I want compensation. I want reparations. I want the Rhineland. It’s going to be 1919 all over again. Fuck the inevitable backlash!
The govt introducing the German model of football ownership would be a fitting end to this shambles. Pretty sure at least one party will be proposing that as it is an electoral free hit and it will cost the owners several billion.
Ed Woodward has resigned as chairman of Manchester United
I thought Nigelb reassured us they had war gamed this, the genius billionaires? Was this also part of their fiendishly brilliant plan, to make themselves look evil - and then resign?
LOLOLOL
Eh ? I have taken no interest in the story at all, other than for its amusement value.
I have 2 elections to vote in and in both I only have 1 real choice (albeit it Labour for Durham Police Commissioner because the policies of the Tory candidate are insane if you know the real economics).
But I really do wonder what the Labour party were thinking when they've been picking candidates around here
The only choice for PCC is a spoilt ballot. Happily, the role is being abolished in West Yorkshire.
Just thinking some more...even with COVID, who goes to make a massive announcement, and not even have a hype video these days? They hadn't even told the managers.
The more I think about it, the more I think something wasn't quite as it seems.
I have 2 elections to vote in and in both I only have 1 real choice (albeit it Labour for Durham Police Commissioner because the policies of the Tory candidate are insane if you know the real economics).
But I really do wonder what the Labour party were thinking when they've been picking candidates around here
The only choice for PCC is a spoilt ballot. Happily, the role is being abolished in West Yorkshire.
It’s a shame it’s not being abandoned across the country. A terrible idea of Cameron’s
Paging @Leon@Sandpit and everyone else who believed this rubbish.
Listen to me in future!
It's the people on here who thought the club owners were super geniuses who had planned everything out I feel most sorry for.
I learned a great new phrase on PB today:
The Smart Room Paradox.
This was a perfect case study.
Told ya. We like to assume the world is run by smart people. But it’s largely run by bullshitting morons. When you realise this, it can be transformative for your professional outlook but also understanding the world.
Conspiracy theory re ESL...... the premier league clubs know Real Madrid and Barcelona are fcked financially. They march them up the hill and cause huge damage to them, they make them waste time thinking there is a golden ticket financially to fill their black hole. Pull out leaving them high and dry. Sure, the six get bad press but if it all goes back to before then they are in strongest league financially and all ok. Rest of premier league know the money from overseas is to watch them not Leicester etc. Kiss and make up. Force UEFA to change payments, job done. But Barcelona, real, Juventus are screwed. You either love or hate in England Man Utd, Liverpool etc. As a Liverpool fan of 40 years who hates idea of ESL I hope this was floated as an upside. Disrupt the status quo and get all the presents or at worst screw the enemies...ll
No, Liverpool were one of the drivers along with the other US owned companies. They simply don't understand the European view of team sports.
Conspiracy theory re ESL...... the premier league clubs know Real Madrid and Barcelona are fcked financially. They march them up the hill and cause huge damage to them, they make them waste time thinking there is a golden ticket financially to fill their black hole. Pull out leaving them high and dry. Sure, the six get bad press but if it all goes back to before then they are in strongest league financially and all ok. Rest of premier league know the money from overseas is to watch them not Leicester etc. Kiss and make up. Force UEFA to change payments, job done. But Barcelona, real, Juventus are screwed. You either love or hate in England Man Utd, Liverpool etc. As a Liverpool fan of 40 years who hates idea of ESL I hope this was floated as an upside. Disrupt the status quo and get all the presents or at worst screw the enemies...ll
Nah. Greedy bastards. Three of the 6 are heavily indebted too.
So basically this super league rubbish has just shown us all the clubs who deserve support and those who doesn’t. Feel for those fans who support those 6 who attempted to break away
I’m annoyed it’s fallen apart to be honest. My mates will pressure me to go back, but I can’t whilst Kroenke owns Arsenal.
These clubs deserve to suffer. To quote Mark Corrigan: I want compensation. I want reparations. I want the Rhineland. It’s going to be 1919 all over again. Fuck the inevitable backlash!
The govt introducing the German model of football ownership would be a fitting end to this shambles. Pretty sure at least one party will be proposing that as it is an electoral free hit and it will cost the owners several billion.
Yes, they’re now on the radar of the politicians. Never a good thing!
So basically this super league rubbish has just shown us all the clubs who deserve support and those who doesn’t. Feel for those fans who support those 6 who attempted to break away
I’m annoyed it’s fallen apart to be honest. My mates will pressure me to go back, but I can’t whilst Kroenke owns Arsenal.
These clubs deserve to suffer. To quote Mark Corrigan: I want compensation. I want reparations. I want the Rhineland. It’s going to be 1919 all over again. Fuck the inevitable backlash!
To quote David Mitchell
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The test will be whether he actually follows through and pushes through a requirement for something like the German ownership model. Rather than just jumping on a passing bandwagon that was always odds on to succeed.
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I have 2 elections to vote in and in both I only have 1 real choice (albeit it Labour for Durham Police Commissioner because the policies of the Tory candidate are insane if you know the real economics).
But I really do wonder what the Labour party were thinking when they've been picking candidates around here
The only choice for PCC is a spoilt ballot. Happily, the role is being abolished in West Yorkshire.
The policies of the Tory PCC candidate are so bad the only choice is to vote for the other candidate likely to win (there are serious reasons why there is a plan to centralise custody suites).
Dermot Corrigan @dermotmcorrigan Atletico are denying the stories that they have pulled out of Super League already. CEO Gil Marin and president Cerezo both met with players before this afternoon's training session to answer the players questions / doubts.
They have to go. All of them from all 6 clubs. You arrogantly proposed to stuff the game in order to line your own pockets. Not fit. Off you go. A transformation to German-style ownership rules is required.
And its not just the likes of the Glazers. Hollowood stars buying Wrexham. The chicken people buying Blackburn. It has to stop.
The test will be whether he actually follows through and pushes through a requirement for something like the German ownership model. Rather than just jumping on a passing bandwagon that was always odds on to succeed.
I’m not holding my breath.
German ownership model would be a stupid move.....it would kill what is special about the EPL.
All the stuff about dreaming your club can do it, you can't under the German model, its why Bayern have won basically every year for 20 years, as there is no way you can get from low to high without spending the money, which you won't have without rich ownership.
Conspiracy theory re ESL...... the premier league clubs know Real Madrid and Barcelona are fcked financially. They march them up the hill and cause huge damage to them, they make them waste time thinking there is a golden ticket financially to fill their black hole. Pull out leaving them high and dry. Sure, the six get bad press but if it all goes back to before then they are in strongest league financially and all ok. Rest of premier league know the money from overseas is to watch them not Leicester etc. Kiss and make up. Force UEFA to change payments, job done. But Barcelona, real, Juventus are screwed. You either love or hate in England Man Utd, Liverpool etc. As a Liverpool fan of 40 years who hates idea of ESL I hope this was floated as an upside. Disrupt the status quo and get all the presents or at worst screw the enemies...ll
Nah. Greedy bastards. Three of the 6 are heavily indebted too.
Even if you buy the idea of the clubs being stupid or greedy, JP Morgan were on board for the finance, and DAZN were rumoured to do the TV. So I think it was for real, rather than a stunt, but boy did they misjudge the response it would receive.
So basically this super league rubbish has just shown us all the clubs who deserve support and those who doesn’t. Feel for those fans who support those 6 who attempted to break away
I’m annoyed it’s fallen apart to be honest. My mates will pressure me to go back, but I can’t whilst Kroenke owns Arsenal.
These clubs deserve to suffer. To quote Mark Corrigan: I want compensation. I want reparations. I want the Rhineland. It’s going to be 1919 all over again. Fuck the inevitable backlash!
The govt introducing the German model of football ownership would be a fitting end to this shambles. Pretty sure at least one party will be proposing that as it is an electoral free hit and it will cost the owners several billion.
If it doesn’t, then it’s an idea which might be very attractive indeed to Labour. Starmer’s first real policy... Which no doubt will occur to the govt.
So basically this super league rubbish has just shown us all the clubs who deserve support and those who doesn’t. Feel for those fans who support those 6 who attempted to break away
I’m annoyed it’s fallen apart to be honest. My mates will pressure me to go back, but I can’t whilst Kroenke owns Arsenal.
These clubs deserve to suffer. To quote Mark Corrigan: I want compensation. I want reparations. I want the Rhineland. It’s going to be 1919 all over again. Fuck the inevitable backlash!
The govt introducing the German model of football ownership would be a fitting end to this shambles. Pretty sure at least one party will be proposing that as it is an electoral free hit and it will cost the owners several billion.
If it doesn’t, then it’s an idea which might be very attractive indeed to Labour. Starmer’s first real policy... Which no doubt will occur to the govt.
Can it be done without significant compensation for the owners? Hope so.
So basically this super league rubbish has just shown us all the clubs who deserve support and those who doesn’t. Feel for those fans who support those 6 who attempted to break away
I’m annoyed it’s fallen apart to be honest. My mates will pressure me to go back, but I can’t whilst Kroenke owns Arsenal.
These clubs deserve to suffer. To quote Mark Corrigan: I want compensation. I want reparations. I want the Rhineland. It’s going to be 1919 all over again. Fuck the inevitable backlash!
The govt introducing the German model of football ownership would be a fitting end to this shambles. Pretty sure at least one party will be proposing that as it is an electoral free hit and it will cost the owners several billion.
If it doesn’t, then it’s an idea which might be very attractive indeed to Labour. Starmer’s first real policy... Which no doubt will occur to the govt.
Corbyn pushed this and I think it was like Commie Cable Company, on the surface it sounds good, then people think about it a bit more.
Man City would still be shit, Leicester would have never won the EPL, Leeds wouldn't be beating Chelsea and giving Liverpool a good game. And it is why every year every EPL team who qualify is in the running for the Champions League.
Bayern will be there next year in the hunt, Dortmund will be selling all their best players and no other German team will be in with a shot.
So basically this super league rubbish has just shown us all the clubs who deserve support and those who don’t. Feel for those fans who support those 6 who attempted to break away
Liverpool have squandered a century of goodwill. Disaster
Heysel anybody? Anyways the Everton statement earlier today is worth reading in full. By far the strongest and most eloquent response of any club.
Conspiracy theory re ESL...... the premier league clubs know Real Madrid and Barcelona are fcked financially. They march them up the hill and cause huge damage to them, they make them waste time thinking there is a golden ticket financially to fill their black hole. Pull out leaving them high and dry. Sure, the six get bad press but if it all goes back to before then they are in strongest league financially and all ok. Rest of premier league know the money from overseas is to watch them not Leicester etc. Kiss and make up. Force UEFA to change payments, job done. But Barcelona, real, Juventus are screwed. You either love or hate in England Man Utd, Liverpool etc. As a Liverpool fan of 40 years who hates idea of ESL I hope this was floated as an upside. Disrupt the status quo and get all the presents or at worst screw the enemies...ll
Nah. Greedy bastards. Three of the 6 are heavily indebted too.
Even if you buy the idea of the clubs being stupid or greedy, JP Morgan were on board for the finance, and DAZN were rumoured to do the TV. So I think it was for real, rather than a stunt, but boy did they misjudge the response it would receive.
Paging @Leon@Sandpit and everyone else who believed this rubbish.
Listen to me in future!
It's the people on here who thought the club owners were super geniuses who had planned everything out I feel most sorry for.
I learned a great new phrase on PB today:
The Smart Room Paradox.
This was a perfect case study.
Told ya. We like to assume the world is run by smart people. But it’s largely run by bullshitting morons. When you realise this, it can be transformative for your professional outlook but also understanding the world.
Oh I know, I have that mentality. I just didn’t know how to frame it so eloquently!
Dermot Corrigan @dermotmcorrigan Atletico are denying the stories that they have pulled out of Super League already. CEO Gil Marin and president Cerezo both met with players before this afternoon's training session to answer the players questions / doubts.
Not having the players on board before announcement == doomed to fail
Sky's News presenter on the new "daily climate show" saying that in the future people will "need to eat less meat" or switch to a "plant based diet".
F**k right off. Not happening. Not even presented with an iota of balance that its an idea or that other ideas might be preferable.
Agriculture is a sizable carbon emitter & a big chunk of that goes on raising meat. Grass fed stuff is not so bad - that’s just an inefficient use of land (from the POV of max food production) it’s the US factory farm approach that’s incrediably carbon intensive: cattle kept in small lots & fed on soy beans & maize grown with the aid of fertilisers manufactured via the Haber process, which emits a lot of CO2. Plus cattle & sheep are themselves methane emitters, both directly & via breakdown of manure (this alone is ~6% of annual emissions according to my nearest source.)
But the big emitters are transport & energy production. Fix those & we’ll be a long, long way towards getting where we need to be.
It's about 10-12% so not that big and the "problem", such as it is, is overwhelmingly mass industrialised production of beef where it isn't appropriate. Eating sustainable grass-fed beef, in areas where grasslands naturally occur, actually makes sense.
Most British farmland consists of grass uplands and the most efficient way to turn this into high-quality, nutritious protein is to graze livestock - sheep and beef. The uplands also act as a store of carbon, and generating our protein here reduces fuel miles, and provides a habitat for floral and fauna diversity.
We need to differentiate between animals that are part of the problem - intensively produced poultry, pork and dairy - and those that are part of the solution, which are grass-fed ruminants in modest numbers. At the root of the climate change problem is burning billions of tons of fossil fuels - meat was around long before that - and that's where attention needs to be focussed. Don't let the ideologues piggy back on it.
Anyone preaching a religion of abstinence or veganism to me out of ideology is going to get a thick ear from me. If they try to make it policy, it will up-end British politics.
Ed Woodward has resigned as chairman of Manchester United
I thought Nigelb reassured us they had war gamed this, the genius billionaires? Was this also part of their fiendishly brilliant plan, to make themselves look evil - and then resign?
LOLOLOL
Eh ? I have taken no interest in the story at all, other than for its amusement value.
That was probably me. Interested to see how they are folding. I'm looking forward to seeing the full details.
Completely o/t, but someone here will no the answer: I just got within an inch of being scammed by a fake e-commerce site, to the point where I had typed in my credit card details. Luckily I realised straightaway and cancelled the card.
The fake website exists in various forms under multiple domain names, such as:
egospeedy.com tyresplusd.com mudpumpsm.top
with what looks like fake WHOIS information and no proper contact information.
However, they do have valid https certificates (Cloudflare).
Is there somewhere where I can report this to get the certificates revoked?
Paging @Leon@Sandpit and everyone else who believed this rubbish.
Listen to me in future!
It's the people on here who thought the club owners were super geniuses who had planned everything out I feel most sorry for.
I learned a great new phrase on PB today:
The Smart Room Paradox.
This was a perfect case study.
Told ya. We like to assume the world is run by smart people. But it’s largely run by bullshitting morons. When you realise this, it can be transformative for your professional outlook but also understanding the world.
Fair point. It's interesting really, as it's partly that we'd like to believe it (It's part of what drives so many conspiracy theories as well, so not just believed as a positive), but also because we think we're good at spotting bullshitters, but truth is if people are really confident and act like they are hot shit, we tend to believe them.
Most British farmland consists of grass uplands and the most efficient way to turn this into high-quality, nutritious protein is to graze livestock - sheep and beef.
With all due respect, do you actually know that for a fact?
I eat meat, and I love eating meat, but I am under no illusion about it being efficient or sustainable in any way.
Completely o/t, but someone here will no the answer: I just got within an inch of being scammed by a fake e-commerce site, to the point where I had typed in my credit card details. Luckily I realised straightaway and cancelled the card.
The fake website exists in various forms under multiple domain names, such as:
egospeedy.com tyresplusd.com mudpumpsm.top
with what looks like fake WHOIS information and no proper contact information.
However, they do have valid https certificates (Cloudflare).
Is there somewhere where I can report this to get the certificates revoked?
How do you know they are fake? The fact they were only created last month is obviously very suss, but what was on the actual site that alerted you?
So basically this super league rubbish has just shown us all the clubs who deserve support and those who don’t. Feel for those fans who support those 6 who attempted to break away
Liverpool have squandered a century of goodwill. Disaster
Heysel anybody? Anyways the Everton statement earlier today is worth reading in full. By far the strongest and most eloquent response of any club.
🚨 BREAKING: Andrea Agnelli has resigned as the president of Juventus after the backlash over the European Super League. #awlfc [talksport]
Though these are just face saving resignations for the cabals that run the clubs, it is encouraging that they believe they need to save face. Whatever else they might say about legitimate concerns and good intentions, it shows you are right that this was a serious plan not just a negotiating ploy, as they would not feel such a need to toss some chum to the sharks over something going to plan.
They went all in, with what they thought was a good hand, but got called by everyone else on the table and were shown to be wearing the emperor’s new clothes. They’ve no choice now but to stand up and walk out.
Completely o/t, but someone here will no the answer: I just got within an inch of being scammed by a fake e-commerce site, to the point where I had typed in my credit card details. Luckily I realised straightaway and cancelled the card.
The fake website exists in various forms under multiple domain names, such as:
egospeedy.com tyresplusd.com mudpumpsm.top
with what looks like fake WHOIS information and no proper contact information.
However, they do have valid https certificates (Cloudflare).
Is there somewhere where I can report this to get the certificates revoked?
Are you sure the WHOIS isn't simply anonymized? My registrar does that by default.
Paging @Leon@Sandpit and everyone else who believed this rubbish.
Listen to me in future!
It's the people on here who thought the club owners were super geniuses who had planned everything out I feel most sorry for.
I learned a great new phrase on PB today:
The Smart Room Paradox.
This was a perfect case study.
Told ya. We like to assume the world is run by smart people. But it’s largely run by bullshitting morons. When you realise this, it can be transformative for your professional outlook but also understanding the world.
Fair point. It's interesting really, as it's partly that we'd like to believe it (It's part of what drives so many conspiracy theories as well, so not just believed as a positive), but also because we think we're good at spotting bullshitters, but truth is if people are really confident and act like they are hot shit, we tend to believe them.
I have seen it many times when senior people responsible for a multi billion dollar decision bullshit their way through it; with not just no grasp of the nuance but sometimes the basic facts. But because everyone else in the room is also blagging it, they get away with it.
I had a couple of instances early in my career that taught me that even esteemed organisations that should be gatekeepers for certain info are making it all up too.
Completely o/t, but someone here will no the answer: I just got within an inch of being scammed by a fake e-commerce site, to the point where I had typed in my credit card details. Luckily I realised straightaway and cancelled the card.
The fake website exists in various forms under multiple domain names, such as:
egospeedy.com tyresplusd.com mudpumpsm.top
with what looks like fake WHOIS information and no proper contact information.
However, they do have valid https certificates (Cloudflare).
Is there somewhere where I can report this to get the certificates revoked?
The certificate just means that the site is the legitimate screwyou.com, it doesn’t mean it’s trustworthy.
Completely o/t, but someone here will no the answer: I just got within an inch of being scammed by a fake e-commerce site, to the point where I had typed in my credit card details. Luckily I realised straightaway and cancelled the card.
The fake website exists in various forms under multiple domain names, such as:
egospeedy.com tyresplusd.com mudpumpsm.top
with what looks like fake WHOIS information and no proper contact information.
However, they do have valid https certificates (Cloudflare).
Is there somewhere where I can report this to get the certificates revoked?
Are you sure the WHOIS isn't simply anonymized? My registrar does that by default.
🚨 BREAKING: Andrea Agnelli has resigned as the president of Juventus after the backlash over the European Super League. #awlfc [talksport]
Though these are just face saving resignations for the cabals that run the clubs, it is encouraging that they believe they need to save face. Whatever else they might say about legitimate concerns and good intentions, it shows you are right that this was a serious plan not just a negotiating ploy, as they would not feel such a need to toss some chum to the sharks over something going to plan.
They went all in, with what they thought was a good hand, but got called by everyone else on the table and were shown to be wearing the emperor’s new clothes.
Personally when playing strip poker I start out naked - might as well cut out the bullcrap, then I can focus on my card skills.
Looks like they’ve reached a verdict in the Chauvin case. To be announced in an hours time.
If it's innocent, America burns tonight.....
I don’t think Biden made helpful comments earlier. Guilty verdict or not it will be Appealed.
"That may be the case, but Biden just positioned himself into the middle of a social and political tinder-box just a day after the presiding judge in the trial warned politicians to "stop talking about the case" and that their failure to do so was "abhorrent".
Pushing to be back in the fold? Prince Andrew hopes for 'rehabilitation' as he's seen in public again after briefing press on father's death and sitting closest to Queen at funeral
OT three and a half minutes of Keir Starmer banging on about the NHS saving his dear old mum in a Youtube advert (and presumably other platforms). Is there an election on?
Most British farmland consists of grass uplands and the most efficient way to turn this into high-quality, nutritious protein is to graze livestock - sheep and beef.
With all due respect, do you actually know that for a fact?
I eat meat, and I love eating meat, but I am under no illusion about it being efficient or sustainable in any way.
Yes, some source for you that you might find more convincing:
Institute for Global Food Security Sustainable Food Trust Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board (AHDB) University of Oxford
Pushing to be back in the fold? Prince Andrew hopes for 'rehabilitation' as he's seen in public again after briefing press on father's death and sitting closest to Queen at funeral
Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has announced that she’s leaving the Windsors to form a European Super Royal Family with elite monarchs from other European countries...
I took a good look around me at Phil’s funeral and I realised that the rest of my family are all a bit shit,” she said.
“The likes of Charles aren’t really operating at the level it takes to be a top-level monarch. He’ll probably be happier jostling for position with Anne, Edward and whatever that other one’s called.
Looks like they’ve reached a verdict in the Chauvin case. To be announced in an hours time.
If it's innocent, America burns tonight.....
I don’t think Biden made helpful comments earlier. Guilty verdict or not it will be Appealed.
"That may be the case, but Biden just positioned himself into the middle of a social and political tinder-box just a day after the presiding judge in the trial warned politicians to "stop talking about the case" and that their failure to do so was "abhorrent".
The jury had already been sequestered so it’s irrelevant what Biden said . The early verdict is very bad news for Chauvin , he should start measuring his orange jumpsuit !
The test will be whether he actually follows through and pushes through a requirement for something like the German ownership model. Rather than just jumping on a passing bandwagon that was always odds on to succeed.
I’m not holding my breath.
German ownership model would be a stupid move.....it would kill what is special about the EPL.
All the stuff about dreaming your club can do it, you can't under the German model, its why Bayern have won basically every year for 20 years, as there is no way you can get from low to high without spending the money, which you won't have without rich ownership.
And that's the nagging doubt in the background of this. Because whilst this evening's news is good for football (and damn funny to boot), the underlying factors haven't gone away.
English football has become so good because it's so rich. But to a larger extent than we like to admit, that's depended on Other People's money- whether that's US Sports Entrepreneurs, Asian fans who will never see a live game or Dodgy Plutocrats.
Drive the questionable money out and you get a different type of sport; probably more wholesome, but with less money, fewer global superstars. It's Pompey Supporters Trust building quietly in League Two, not the gallery of rogues who preceded them in the Premiership and subsequent collapse.
Probably better for us, but are we collectively ready for that?
Most British farmland consists of grass uplands and the most efficient way to turn this into high-quality, nutritious protein is to graze livestock - sheep and beef.
With all due respect, do you actually know that for a fact?
I eat meat, and I love eating meat, but I am under no illusion about it being efficient or sustainable in any way.
Yes, some source for you that you might find more convincing:
Institute for Global Food Security Sustainable Food Trust Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board (AHDB) University of Oxford
But just because meat can be sustainable doesn't mean it is the most efficient use of British farmland in terms of the production of nutritious protein.
I'm not saying you're wrong but I would be surprised if it is.
Completely o/t, but someone here will no the answer: I just got within an inch of being scammed by a fake e-commerce site, to the point where I had typed in my credit card details. Luckily I realised straightaway and cancelled the card.
The fake website exists in various forms under multiple domain names, such as:
egospeedy.com tyresplusd.com mudpumpsm.top
with what looks like fake WHOIS information and no proper contact information.
However, they do have valid https certificates (Cloudflare).
Is there somewhere where I can report this to get the certificates revoked?
Are you sure the WHOIS isn't simply anonymized? My registrar does that by default.
It is an interesting question as to what https certificates are for. Originally they confirmed the site was what it claimed to be but arguably Google and Let's Encrypt have changed that so now it is just a way of establishing secure communication. This makes it harder for external scammers to get you but perhaps easier for scammers who own the site.
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One thing that suggests things weren't quite right, the announcement, weird leak on a Sunday afternoon and then delayed official announcement, with just a written statement and inconsistent briefing about the money etc. And the uncertainty of who was actually in and out.
You expect the announcement of a new super league to be all glitz and glamour and all the owners sitting their proudly signing on the dotted line. Yes there is COVID, but it wasn't what you expect from the announcement of what they were trying to say was going to be the biggest competition in world football.
I maintain that this whole thing is b*llocks and is just an attempt to avoid competition. Of course you as a Liverpool fan have a vested interest in reducing competition.
Arbitration is ongoing in any case.
It was just a very old Reginald Perrin joke...
Though the alternate spelling works too, I guess.
https://twitter.com/WhatScotsThink/status/1384531068519280643?s=19
Absolutely fucked it.
That 13% lead for Yes? It was a 4% lead.
I'd remind you the last time the head coach had this much power was when Ray Illingworth was in charge and that was a disaster.
These clubs deserve to suffer. To quote Mark Corrigan: I want compensation. I want reparations. I want the Rhineland. It’s going to be 1919 all over again. Fuck the inevitable backlash!
🚨⚽️ | NEW: The collapse of the European Super League may see the Glazers leave Man Utd
via @MailSport
Merely because Smith attended Cambridge doesn’t give him a free pass for buggering about with Moeen, Foakes, Rashid, Buttler, Bairstow...
https://twitter.com/themadridzone/status/1384584775671877643?s=21
🚨| The 12 Super League clubs are currently in a Zoom call. @partidazocope #rmalive
Anyways the Everton statement earlier today is worth reading in full. By far the strongest and most eloquent response of any club.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.grandoldteam.com/2021/04/20/everton-statement-on-european-super-league/amp/
Not taking any lectures from Red side any time soon.
"Preposterous arrogance" indeed.
*proud*
https://twitter.com/thesteinline/status/1384586003323621376?s=21
Fan pressure throughout Europe, especially Inglaterra, has unraveled the Super League in 48 hours. Super inspiring ...
I have taken no interest in the story at all, other than for its amusement value.
The more I think about it, the more I think something wasn't quite as it seems.
But those people at least took a brave stand that was unlikely to benefit them, so can be praised, even though it failed
Greedy bastards. Three of the 6 are heavily indebted too.
If the Tories go down that road (incorrectly) they can forget my vote; I'll throw all my other pre-existing politics up in the air.
"Looking ahead to March, every FOOTBALL team will be playing FOOTBALL several times and in various combinations. And you can catch all of that FOOTBALL here, where we'll be showing ALL THE FOOTBALL, ALL THE TIME! Catch all of the constantly happening FOOTBALL here! It's ALL here and it's ALL FOOTBALL, ALWAYS! It is IMPOSSIBLE to keep track of all the FOOTBALL, but your best chance is HERE. THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of hours of FOOTBALL, each MORE CLIMACTIC than the last, CONSTANT, DIZZYING, 24 HOUR, YEAR-LONG, ENDLESS FOOTBALL, every KICK of it, MASSIVELY mattering to SOMEONE, PRESUMABLY! WATCH IT ALL! ALL HERE, ALL THE TIME, FOREVER! IT WILL NEVER STOP! THE FOOTBALL IS OFFICIALLY GOING ON FOREVER! IT WILL NEVER BE FINALLY DECIDED WHO HAS WON THE FOOTBALL! There is still everything to play for, AND FOREVER TO PLAY IT IN! SO THAT'S THE FOOTBALL! COMING UP! WATCH IT! WATCH THE FOOTBALL! WATCH IT! WATCH IT, IT'S GONNA MOOOVE! WATCH THE FOOTBALL! IT'S FOOTBALL!"
I’m not holding my breath.
https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1384587354707484679?s=20
Dermot Corrigan
@dermotmcorrigan
Atletico are denying the stories that they have pulled out of Super League already. CEO Gil Marin and president Cerezo both met with players before this afternoon's training session to answer the players questions / doubts.
And its not just the likes of the Glazers. Hollowood stars buying Wrexham. The chicken people buying Blackburn. It has to stop.
All the stuff about dreaming your club can do it, you can't under the German model, its why Bayern have won basically every year for 20 years, as there is no way you can get from low to high without spending the money, which you won't have without rich ownership.
Which no doubt will occur to the govt.
Good night.
Man City would still be shit, Leicester would have never won the EPL, Leeds wouldn't be beating Chelsea and giving Liverpool a good game. And it is why every year every EPL team who qualify is in the running for the Champions League.
Bayern will be there next year in the hunt, Dortmund will be selling all their best players and no other German team will be in with a shot.
Most British farmland consists of grass uplands and the most efficient way to turn this into high-quality, nutritious protein is to graze livestock - sheep and beef. The uplands also act as a store of carbon, and generating our protein here reduces fuel miles, and provides a habitat for floral and fauna diversity.
We need to differentiate between animals that are part of the problem - intensively produced poultry, pork and dairy - and those that are part of the solution, which are grass-fed ruminants in modest numbers. At the root of the climate change problem is burning billions of tons of fossil fuels - meat was around long before that - and that's where attention needs to be focussed. Don't let the ideologues piggy back on it.
Anyone preaching a religion of abstinence or veganism to me out of ideology is going to get a thick ear from me. If they try to make it policy, it will up-end British politics.
The fake website exists in various forms under multiple domain names, such as:
egospeedy.com
tyresplusd.com
mudpumpsm.top
with what looks like fake WHOIS information and no proper contact information.
However, they do have valid https certificates (Cloudflare).
Is there somewhere where I can report this to get the certificates revoked?
"Have you been mis-sold access to a football league which no longer exists?"
I eat meat, and I love eating meat, but I am under no illusion about it being efficient or sustainable in any way.
https://www.cloudflare.com/abuse/form
I had a couple of instances early in my career that taught me that even esteemed organisations that should be gatekeepers for certain info are making it all up too.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56818953
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9491565/Prince-Andrew-hopes-rehabilitation-makes-public-appearance.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
Institute for Global Food Security
Sustainable Food Trust
Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board (AHDB)
University of Oxford
https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-news-climate-pollutants-gwp/
https://sustainablefoodtrust.org/key-issues/sustainable-livestock/
I took a good look around me at Phil’s funeral and I realised that the rest of my family are all a bit shit,” she said.
“The likes of Charles aren’t really operating at the level it takes to be a top-level monarch. He’ll probably be happier jostling for position with Anne, Edward and whatever that other one’s called.
https://newsthump.com/2021/04/19/queen-and-other-top-monarchs-to-break-away-and-form-european-super-royal-family/
Lets hope its not that.
That's why it's impervious to reason as well, and why we should challenge it driving policy.
English football has become so good because it's so rich. But to a larger extent than we like to admit, that's depended on Other People's money- whether that's US Sports Entrepreneurs, Asian fans who will never see a live game or Dodgy Plutocrats.
Drive the questionable money out and you get a different type of sport; probably more wholesome, but with less money, fewer global superstars. It's Pompey Supporters Trust building quietly in League Two, not the gallery of rogues who preceded them in the Premiership and subsequent collapse.
Probably better for us, but are we collectively ready for that?
I'm not saying you're wrong but I would be surprised if it is.