OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):
Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?
Have they signed a 23 year contract with JPM and a bunch of litigious billionaires as a stitch up prank? No.
There's almost certainly an exit mechanism.
There is a "heavy fine" to leave unless all 12 agree. Not sure what "heavy" is in this context but imagine low nine figures?
I doubt it, the same people at JP Morgan wjk have done "all the right calculations" and come up with idiot phrases like "legacy fans" seem rather clueless.
Real Madrid journalists are reporting the heavy exit penalty arrangement but without an amount. Paul Tenorio seems to be the original source, also writes for the Athletic so will be fairly reliable. (The amount is just my complete guess based on first year payments if it went ahead).
I assume if they collective agree to fold they will incur less damages to their income
They say if all 12 clubs agree then no penalty. Not sure who gets the "fines", the remaining clubs? or the bankers?
Second degree unintentional - guilty Third degree - guilty Second degree manslaughter - guilty
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
It's not that ludicrous.
On the face it they have life means life sentencing, coupled with the fact we are ok with concurrent sentencing, whilst they like consecutive sentencing.
Still, you know who's smiling tonight? Ursula von der Leyen. She's no longer in charge of the worst organization with 'European' in the title...
I'm surprise you're still posting on here as BluestBlue. I thought that after your contretemps with Contrarian on the last thread, you'd have succumbed to his attack and renamed yourself PinkoTory.
I'm a little troubled that I had that exact thought earlier today...
It is a side effect of the Bill Gates Covid-19 vaccine, it reads your brain, then sends your thoughts to this big server that some people can access.
Northern Al obviously works for Bill Gates or is Bill Gates.
And I guess he will be somewhat relieved. If it had gone any other way a sitting President saying the evidence is overwhelming could well have been controversial to say the least.
OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):
Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?
Have they signed a 23 year contract with JPM and a bunch of litigious billionaires as a stitch up prank? No.
There's almost certainly an exit mechanism.
There is a "heavy fine" to leave unless all 12 agree. Not sure what "heavy" is in this context but imagine low nine figures?
I doubt it, the same people at JP Morgan wjk have done "all the right calculations" and come up with idiot phrases like "legacy fans" seem rather clueless.
Real Madrid journalists are reporting the heavy exit penalty arrangement but without an amount. Paul Tenorio seems to be the original source, also writes for the Athletic so will be fairly reliable. (The amount is just my complete guess based on first year payments if it went ahead).
Those Madrid surrogates are just casting about trying to save face. It's dead and I doubt there will be any lasting repercussions on anyone for it, sadly. All 12 owners deserve to be moved on. Honestly I think a Spurs fan trust could easily raise the capital to buy out Joe Lewis, the numbers aren't that onerous, we could then push the IPO option and sell 49% to the market, the club is always going to be run at a profit.
Second degree unintentional - guilty Third degree - guilty Second degree manslaughter - guilty
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
Maximum sentence on most serious charge is 40 years. Hard to see this being much short of the maximum to be honest. Not a lot of mitigating factors.
That's too long if you believe he didn't mean to kill him, about right if you think he did I think he was callous in the extreme . Is 49 yrs too Long? Hmmmm.
Second degree unintentional - guilty Third degree - guilty Second degree manslaughter - guilty
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
Maximum sentence on most serious charge is 40 years. Hard to see this being much short of the maximum to be honest. Not a lot of mitigating factors.
That's too long if you believe he didn't mean to kill him, about right if you think he did I think he was callous in the extreme . Is 49 yrs too Long? Hmmmm.
Second degree unintentional - guilty Third degree - guilty Second degree manslaughter - guilty
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
It's not that ludicrous.
On the face it they have life means life sentencing, coupled with the fact we are ok with concurrent sentencing, whilst they like consecutive sentencing.
We should have the option of consecutive sentences. Those tossers that killed the police officer just off the A4 could have been given 10 years for theft on top of the manslaughter conviction.
Second degree unintentional - guilty Third degree - guilty Second degree manslaughter - guilty
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
It's not that ludicrous.
On the face it they have life means life sentencing, coupled with the fact we are ok with concurrent sentencing, whilst they like consecutive sentencing.
We should have the option of consecutive sentences. Those tossers that killed the police officer just off the A4 could have been given 10 years for theft on top of the manslaughter conviction.
We do have it, it is just the sentencing guidelines suggests judges go for concurrent sentencing in most cases.
I'm in favour in changing that for murder/manslaughter cases as well sexual offence cases.
Carragher spot on. Liverpool still hanging in there. Not a good look.
Sky reporting Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal are the driving force behind this
All US owners
And Sky are saying that withdrawing is not as simple as some thought
Got a feeling that this may be wounded but not completely dead. Especially if the exit price rumours are true. Barca, Inter can't afford it. Not cheap for anyone. City and Chelsea can.
Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
Second degree unintentional - guilty Third degree - guilty Second degree manslaughter - guilty
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
It's not that ludicrous.
On the face it they have life means life sentencing, coupled with the fact we are ok with concurrent sentencing, whilst they like consecutive sentencing.
Sentencing people to life us 160 yrs is not logical. Look at the you tube clips.
America's legal system seems to be about vengeance not justice.
Second degree unintentional - guilty Third degree - guilty Second degree manslaughter - guilty
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
Maximum sentence on most serious charge is 40 years. Hard to see this being much short of the maximum to be honest. Not a lot of mitigating factors.
That's too long if you believe he didn't mean to kill him, about right if you think he did I think he was callous in the extreme . Is 49 yrs too Long? Hmmmm.
He wouldn't serve 40 years in this country had he been convicted of murder. I think American sentencing is extreme although sometimes we tend the other way too much.
Nah, it's dead. There's simply no way it survives without City and Chelsea who will both move to expel the other four from the EPL with the other 14 now which means Spurs will be forced into giving up.
The lasting result from this will be the slow exit of American investors from English football now that they know there is no chance of "reforming" it to suit their no relegation model they want to import from their homeland.
Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
IF Chelsea have lied merely to disperse tonight's pitchfork wielders then I shudder to think of the scenes at next home game...
Still, you know who's smiling tonight? Ursula von der Leyen. She's no longer in charge of the worst organization with 'European' in the title...
I'm surprise you're still posting on here as BluestBlue. I thought that after your contretemps with Contrarian on the last thread, you'd have succumbed to his attack and renamed yourself PinkoTory.
I'm a little troubled that I had that exact thought earlier today...
It is a side effect of the Bill Gates Covid-19 vaccine, it reads your brain, then sends your thoughts to this big server that some people can access.
Northern Al obviously works for Bill Gates or is Bill Gates.
Fuck you. Uncovering me like that.
In tune with this, I strongly recommend the 1994 book 'Interface' by Neal Stephenson. PB Sci Fi / Thriller fans should like the mix of US Politics, Technology and secret cabals. It may be hard to find though.
Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
They still can - I don't see any point in stopping them.
What the Premiership can now do is throw the remaining members out as there isn't 6 votes to block any awkward resolutions.
OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):
Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?
The difference is between the Arabs and Russians vs the American owners is it not?
Oh yeah, they're typically much more reputable.
Wait.
For all their tyranny, Russia and Arabia have strong football cultures.
Russia, I'll give you. The Arabs do not in general have much interest in sporting matters. Their Olympic performances, for example, are on the whole utterly dire and it's clearly a question of priorities rather than lack of cash available to be invested.
Nah, it's dead. There's simply no way it survives without City and Chelsea who will both move to expel the other four from the EPL with the other 14 now which means Spurs will be forced into giving up.
The lasting result from this will be the slow exit of American investors from English football now that they know there is no chance of "reforming" it to suit their no relegation model they want to import from their homeland.
Where do the billions come from once they are gone? China?
Early findings show that of 74,405 Covid-19 cases admitted to hospitals between September and March, just 32 had received a vaccine at least three weeks before.
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
"Europe's elite suffer sport's most astounding humiliation - and wounds will take a long time to heal The European Super League plan blew up in an extraordinary day, leaving the sport more divided than ever... but still intact"
Second degree unintentional - guilty Third degree - guilty Second degree manslaughter - guilty
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
12 1/2 seems to be the anticipated minimum, and there is expected to be a call for an aggravated sentence considerably longer
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead because of a rebellion by managers, players and (legacy) fans. It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
Thr Athletic say they didn't tell the managers or thr highly influence club figures like Sir Alex and that was a massive issue. They were totally blindsided thr announcement, which instantly meant little chance they were onside.
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
It's nice to see the HoC win their spurs without revealing what was actually in the legislative arsenal.
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Fabrizio Romano @FabrizioRomano Florentino Perez is still in the #SuperLeague meeting tonight to decide about the future of the league. The English clubs are key to decide what's gonna happen - after Man City official statement to leave the competition. Police cars revolving light
OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):
Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?
The difference is between the Arabs and Russians vs the American owners is it not?
Oh yeah, they're typically much more reputable.
Wait.
For all their tyranny, Russia and Arabia have strong football cultures.
Russia, I'll give you. The Arabs do not in general have much interest in sporting matters. Their Olympic performances, for example, are on the whole utterly dire and it's clearly a question of priorities rather than lack of cash available to be invested.
Algeria are current African Cup of Nations winners, and Egypt have won it 7 times.
Early findings show that of 74,405 Covid-19 cases admitted to hospitals between September and March, just 32 had received a vaccine at least three weeks before.
Kaboom!
That's incredible figure after just 1 dose......and there was Mini Trump telling everybody AZN was quasi effective.....
Nah, it's dead. There's simply no way it survives without City and Chelsea who will both move to expel the other four from the EPL with the other 14 now which means Spurs will be forced into giving up.
The lasting result from this will be the slow exit of American investors from English football now that they know there is no chance of "reforming" it to suit their no relegation model they want to import from their homeland.
Where do the billions come from once they are gone? China?
What billions? Arsenal, Liverpool and Man United are all profitable clubs. Kroenke and Glazer are both a huge net drain on their clubs, it won't be long until FSG start taking dividends either.
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead because of a rebellion by managers, players and (legacy) fans. It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
Thr Athletic say they didn't tell the managers or thr highly influence club figures like Sir Alex and that was a massive issue. They were totally blindsided thr announcement, which instantly meant little chance they were onside.
Yes, it looks like that's the case. Incredible. They weren't onside at all; looks like the ESL advocates didn't know the offside rule.
Nah, it's dead. There's simply no way it survives without City and Chelsea who will both move to expel the other four from the EPL with the other 14 now which means Spurs will be forced into giving up.
The lasting result from this will be the slow exit of American investors from English football now that they know there is no chance of "reforming" it to suit their no relegation model they want to import from their homeland.
Where do the billions come from once they are gone? China?
The majority comes from television provided you keep winning and spend it wisely.
Only if you start losing (or others start spending stupid sums) does money need to be contributed.
Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
IF Chelsea have lied merely to disperse tonight's pitchfork wielders then I shudder to think of the scenes at next home game...
This looks like absolutely incredible news on the face of it.
Ultimately it looks like the AZ vaccine is an incredible vaccine. Like you've said before, maybe the dosage just needs to be refined for the young?
I would think so. I had a big hit from it at 45 (I’m fit and healthy). I think we’ll get lots more reports like mine as we work down the groups. Do we really want to be giving 9 stone 21-year-old girls the the same dose as 17 stone 90-year-old blokes?
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
It's nice to see the HoC win their spurs without revealing what was actually in the legislative arsenal.
They had to look Inter it. Or there would have been Real trouble.
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
Yes but Boris was in the right place at the right time and immediately came out against it
Remarkably tonight we have Spain blaming Boris for killing it
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
I have a feeling tin ear May wouldn't have been so quick out the blocks, while Jezza would be passing a law to nationize all the teams.
Souness says it’s impossible for FSG to go to Anfield again.
He goes to Anfield regularly after doing an exclusive with The Sun close to anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster, I mean he remained manager for two years after that.
Second degree unintentional - guilty Third degree - guilty Second degree manslaughter - guilty
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
Maximum sentence on most serious charge is 40 years. Hard to see this being much short of the maximum to be honest. Not a lot of mitigating factors.
That's too long if you believe he didn't mean to kill him, about right if you think he did I think he was callous in the extreme . Is 49 yrs too Long? Hmmmm.
He wouldn't serve 40 years in this country had he been convicted of murder. I think American sentencing is extreme although sometimes we tend the other way too much.
In this country it'd probably be a life sentence, possibly released on licence/parole after 20 years.
The issue here is that Chauvin clearly didn't intend to kill him (so not direct murder) but didn't really give a shit if he did either.
Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
I think the only people actually blaming Boris are those responsible for that Spanish Tweet.
I just don’t think he’ll mind taking the blame (deserved or not).
This looks like absolutely incredible news on the face of it.
I can't read the story -- what's the data and the source? 32 in how long? It does sound like exceptionally good news.
--AS
I find clicking on the link, then pressing escape halfway through loading lets you read most sites.
SAGE/UK Coronavirus Clinical Characterisation Consortium, between September and March, and the 32 is people vaccinated at least three weeks before.
Thanks. The number is difficult to put into context because it's based on a subset of all cases (there were about 300k hospitalizations in that period, and the study only counts 74405 of them) and we don't know the integrated vaccine coverage over that time (I think it might be around 10-15%: none at all in the first half of the study, then rising to 50% by the end), so we'll have to wait for SAGE to give the true calculations to the politicians, but it does look like it might end up in the region of 99% effectiveness. That would be better than I was hoping for.
I guess, though, the government might be circumspect about saying too much that would encourage the vaccinated to ignore restrictions, as a matter of fairness to the younger cohorts who haven't had the chance yet.
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
I have a feeling tin ear May wouldn't have been so quick out the blocks, while Jezza would be passing a law to nationize all the teams.
Well, he was shown the way by Ed Davey and then by K Starmer, so perhaps even Mrs May would have followed on too.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
This looks like absolutely incredible news on the face of it.
I can't read the story -- what's the data and the source? 32 in how long? It does sound like exceptionally good news.
--AS
I find clicking on the link, then pressing escape halfway through loading lets you read most sites.
SAGE/UK Coronavirus Clinical Characterisation Consortium, between September and March, and the 32 is people vaccinated at least three weeks before.
Thanks. The number is difficult to put into context because it's based on a subset of all cases (there were about 300k hospitalizations in that period, and the study only counts 74405 of them) and we don't know the integrated vaccine coverage over that time (I think it might be around 10-15%: none at all in the first half of the study, then rising to 50% by the end), so we'll have to wait for SAGE to give the true calculations to the politicians, but it does look like it might end up in the region of 99% effectiveness. That would be better than I was hoping for.
I guess, though, the government might be circumspect about saying too much that would encourage the vaccinated to ignore restrictions, as a matter of fairness to the younger cohorts who haven't had the chance yet.
--AS
There’s definitely a lot of that going on. The government is going to stick to the dates.
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
It's nice to see the HoC win their spurs without revealing what was actually in the legislative arsenal.
They had to look Inter it. Or there would have been Real trouble.
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
I have a feeling tin ear May wouldn't have been so quick out the blocks, while Jezza would be passing a law to nationize all the teams.
You may be right. But my point really was that I think if the government had said absolutely nothing the plan would still be dead in the water anyway, given the backlash from fans, players and (some) managers.
This looks like absolutely incredible news on the face of it.
I can't read the story -- what's the data and the source? 32 in how long? It does sound like exceptionally good news.
--AS
I find clicking on the link, then pressing escape halfway through loading lets you read most sites.
SAGE/UK Coronavirus Clinical Characterisation Consortium, between September and March, and the 32 is people vaccinated at least three weeks before.
Thanks. The number is difficult to put into context because it's based on a subset of all cases (there were about 300k hospitalizations in that period, and the study only counts 74405 of them) and we don't know the integrated vaccine coverage over that time (I think it might be around 10-15%: none at all in the first half of the study, then rising to 50% by the end), so we'll have to wait for SAGE to give the true calculations to the politicians, but it does look like it might end up in the region of 99% effectiveness. That would be better than I was hoping for.
I guess, though, the government might be circumspect about saying too much that would encourage the vaccinated to ignore restrictions, as a matter of fairness to the younger cohorts who haven't had the chance yet.
--AS
Yes its an absurd comparison given no-one was vaccinated in September, but even so the numbers stack up as close to a best case scenario as we could hope for.
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
I have a feeling tin ear May wouldn't have been so quick out the blocks, while Jezza would be passing a law to nationize all the teams.
Well, he was shown the way by Ed Davey and then by K Starmer, so perhaps even Mrs May would have followed on too.
On this story, its still Ed who and Starmer will only be remembered for the pub punch-up.
Boris has the advantage of being PM and lucky that it folds before he has to actually make a tough decision. Gets to do his quiet pint photo op and say British football for British fans, up the werkers.
OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):
Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?
The difference is between the Arabs and Russians vs the American owners is it not?
Oh yeah, they're typically much more reputable.
Wait.
For all their tyranny, Russia and Arabia have strong football cultures.
Russia, I'll give you. The Arabs do not in general have much interest in sporting matters. Their Olympic performances, for example, are on the whole utterly dire and it's clearly a question of priorities rather than lack of cash available to be invested.
Algeria are current African Cup of Nations winners, and Egypt have won it 7 times.
Fair enough, I was slightly lazy in using "Arabs" as shorthand for "Arabia", although I would argue that Jordan, Syria, Iraq etc are also included. Perhaps "Middle Eastern Arabs".
Anyway, their performances against the rest of the world still leave something to be desired.
Early findings show that of 74,405 Covid-19 cases admitted to hospitals between September and March, just 32 had received a vaccine at least three weeks before.
Kaboom!
If this is anything like accurate then Government attempts to try to keep masks, impose vaxports and retain any other restrictions past the Summer will become even more difficult and unpopular. At that juncture the remaining vulnerable population will effectively consist only of unvaccinated adults, the overwhelming majority of whom will be stick-in-the-mud refusers. Any attempts to subject the population at large to any kind of nonsense just to save their arses will be met with the rejoinder "Let them die if they want to." We may finally see an end to the endless emergency after all.
Carragher spot on. Liverpool still hanging in there. Not a good look.
Sky reporting Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal are the driving force behind this
All US owners
And Sky are saying that withdrawing is not as simple as some thought
Woodward seems to have had the JP Morgan connection. I don't think he would be resigning if the game was not a bogie.
There’s a very weird tendency on PB to attempt to keep zombies alive. It reached extreme levels with Trump - this is another case, albeit in miniature.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Did say yesterday we might end up with a Premier League, a fan-owned Bundesliga, and a rest of Europe league. The latter has some positives if not a closed shop. Especially for big clubs in small countries and Eastern Europe. Ajax, Porto, Olympiakos, Dynamo Kiev, etc. could access some funding for a change. And be in a proper competition.
Was Chauvin's defence anything more than it was the drugs that did it?
There is some speculation that the original defence was meant to be that what he did fell within police guidelines and hence he was doing what he was trained to do, no matter how distressing the situation.
But that fell apart when his fellow officers and chief came out against him, emphatically stating that the use of force was excessive, should have ceased when he was prone and that medical assistance should have been proffered sooner.
So, it was the drugs wot did it became the defence by default.
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Super League must now be the greatest PR disaster in decades.
On the face it they have life means life sentencing, coupled with the fact we are ok with concurrent sentencing, whilst they like consecutive sentencing.
What a double act they were.
Desperately missed.
https://twitter.com/tsf_podcast/status/1384601384444702725?s=19
I think he was callous in the extreme . Is 49 yrs too Long? Hmmmm.
All US owners
And Sky are saying that withdrawing is not as simple as some thought
There is nothing new under the sun.
I'm in favour in changing that for murder/manslaughter cases as well sexual offence cases.
--AS
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1384617692754292737
LOL.
How fast was that?
Was it the Rashford intervention that killed it.
Barca, Inter can't afford it. Not cheap for anyone.
City and Chelsea can.
The original police statement about Floyd's murder
SAGE/UK Coronavirus Clinical Characterisation Consortium, between September and March, and the 32 is people vaccinated at least three weeks before.
(I have been driving to Dorset...)
America's legal system seems to be about vengeance not justice.
The lasting result from this will be the slow exit of American investors from English football now that they know there is no chance of "reforming" it to suit their no relegation model they want to import from their homeland.
What the Premiership can now do is throw the remaining members out as there isn't 6 votes to block any awkward resolutions.
Now this IS a big story.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/exclusive-just-32-people-in-hospital-with-covid-after-having-vaccination/ar-BB1fRxKr
Early findings show that of 74,405 Covid-19 cases admitted to hospitals between September and March, just 32 had received a vaccine at least three weeks before.
Kaboom!
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
The European Super League plan blew up in an extraordinary day, leaving the sport more divided than ever... but still intact"
Telegraph
Massive block capitals
@FabrizioRomano
Florentino Perez is still in the #SuperLeague meeting tonight to decide about the future of the league. The English clubs are key to decide what's gonna happen - after Man City official statement to leave the competition. Police cars revolving light
(telegrapH)
*sarcasm face*
Only if you start losing (or others start spending stupid sums) does money need to be contributed.
Remarkably tonight we have Spain blaming Boris for killing it
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
LFC fans can be quite forgiving.
The issue here is that Chauvin clearly didn't intend to kill him (so not direct murder) but didn't really give a shit if he did either.
It’s over.
It ain’t happening.
Everything else is gravy.
I just don’t think he’ll mind taking the blame (deserved or not).
I guess, though, the government might be circumspect about saying too much that would encourage the vaccinated to ignore restrictions, as a matter of fairness to the younger cohorts who haven't had the chance yet.
--AS
Boris has the advantage of being PM and lucky that it folds before he has to actually make a tough decision. Gets to do his quiet pint photo op and say British football for British fans, up the werkers.
Anyway, their performances against the rest of the world still leave something to be desired.
The latter has some positives if not a closed shop.
Especially for big clubs in small countries and Eastern Europe.
Ajax, Porto, Olympiakos, Dynamo Kiev, etc. could access some funding for a change. And be in a proper competition.
But that fell apart when his fellow officers and chief came out against him, emphatically stating that the use of force was excessive, should have ceased when he was prone and that medical assistance should have been proffered sooner.
So, it was the drugs wot did it became the defence by default.