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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    gealbhan said:

    Would Derek Chauvin be convicted if there was no footage at all of the incident?

    Without the video he wouldn't even have been in court.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,077
    MaxPB said:
    Ultimately it looks like the AZ vaccine is an incredible vaccine. Like you've said before, maybe the dosage just needs to be refined for the young?
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,645

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):

    Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?

    Have they signed a 23 year contract with JPM and a bunch of litigious billionaires as a stitch up prank? No.
    There's almost certainly an exit mechanism.
    There is a "heavy fine" to leave unless all 12 agree. Not sure what "heavy" is in this context but imagine low nine figures?
    I doubt it, the same people at JP Morgan wjk have done "all the right calculations" and come up with idiot phrases like "legacy fans" seem rather clueless.
    Real Madrid journalists are reporting the heavy exit penalty arrangement but without an amount. Paul Tenorio seems to be the original source, also writes for the Athletic so will be fairly reliable. (The amount is just my complete guess based on first year payments if it went ahead).
    I assume if they collective agree to fold they will incur less damages to their income
    They say if all 12 clubs agree then no penalty. Not sure who gets the "fines", the remaining clubs? or the bankers?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,159
    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1384618461964300289/photo/1

    Super League must now be the greatest PR disaster in decades.
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    IanB2 said:

    Chauvin:

    Second degree unintentional - guilty
    Third degree - guilty
    Second degree manslaughter - guilty

    Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

    Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
    It's not that ludicrous.

    On the face it they have life means life sentencing, coupled with the fact we are ok with concurrent sentencing, whilst they like consecutive sentencing.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,159
    DavidL said:

    Biden called it.

    And I guess he will be somewhat relieved. If it had gone any other way a sitting President saying the evidence is overwhelming could well have been controversial to say the least.
    Very unwise.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    edited April 2021

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):

    Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?

    Have they signed a 23 year contract with JPM and a bunch of litigious billionaires as a stitch up prank? No.
    There's almost certainly an exit mechanism.
    There is a "heavy fine" to leave unless all 12 agree. Not sure what "heavy" is in this context but imagine low nine figures?
    I doubt it, the same people at JP Morgan wjk have done "all the right calculations" and come up with idiot phrases like "legacy fans" seem rather clueless.
    Real Madrid journalists are reporting the heavy exit penalty arrangement but without an amount. Paul Tenorio seems to be the original source, also writes for the Athletic so will be fairly reliable. (The amount is just my complete guess based on first year payments if it went ahead).
    Those Madrid surrogates are just casting about trying to save face. It's dead and I doubt there will be any lasting repercussions on anyone for it, sadly. All 12 owners deserve to be moved on. Honestly I think a Spurs fan trust could easily raise the capital to buy out Joe Lewis, the numbers aren't that onerous, we could then push the IPO option and sell 49% to the market, the club is always going to be run at a profit.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,159

    £2.6 million for what? What a total waste of time and money

    Cummings and Caine.

    What a double act they were.

    Desperately missed.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2021
    The Spanish are blaming Boris...Boris will take that.

    https://twitter.com/tsf_podcast/status/1384601384444702725?s=19
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206

    Was Chauvin's defence anything more than it was the drugs that did it?

    "Mr Floyd accidentally, brutally stood on his own neck while laying in the street".
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,331
    DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    Chauvin:

    Second degree unintentional - guilty
    Third degree - guilty
    Second degree manslaughter - guilty

    Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

    Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
    Maximum sentence on most serious charge is 40 years. Hard to see this being much short of the maximum to be honest. Not a lot of mitigating factors.
    That's too long if you believe he didn't mean to kill him, about right if you think he did
    I think he was callous in the extreme . Is 49 yrs too Long? Hmmmm.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,331

    DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    Chauvin:

    Second degree unintentional - guilty
    Third degree - guilty
    Second degree manslaughter - guilty

    Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

    Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
    Maximum sentence on most serious charge is 40 years. Hard to see this being much short of the maximum to be honest. Not a lot of mitigating factors.
    That's too long if you believe he didn't mean to kill him, about right if you think he did
    I think he was callous in the extreme . Is 49 yrs too Long? Hmmmm.
    Oops 40 yrs
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187

    IanB2 said:

    Chauvin:

    Second degree unintentional - guilty
    Third degree - guilty
    Second degree manslaughter - guilty

    Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

    Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
    It's not that ludicrous.

    On the face it they have life means life sentencing, coupled with the fact we are ok with concurrent sentencing, whilst they like consecutive sentencing.
    We should have the option of consecutive sentences. Those tossers that killed the police officer just off the A4 could have been given 10 years for theft on top of the manslaughter conviction.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940

    £2.6 million for what? What a total waste of time and money

    You could have pulled out of 1/40th of a Super League contract for that!
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,907

    MaxPB said:
    Ultimately it looks like the AZ vaccine is an incredible vaccine. Like you've said before, maybe the dosage just needs to be refined for the young?
    Can you copy and paste it? I’ve used up my free stories this month! Would like to read.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,077
    "Boris sees off the pesky forrins" is not going to do him any harm at all.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2021
    MaxPB said:
    Pseudo-science.....quasi effective....
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,907
    Alistair said:

    MaxPB said:
    Ultimately it looks like the AZ vaccine is an incredible vaccine. Like you've said before, maybe the dosage just needs to be refined for the young?
    Given how shit I felt after getting my first dose it better be fucknig incredible.
    I had a proper rollicking from it. It’s a heavy hitter for sure!
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    edited April 2021

    The Spanish are blaming Boris...Boris will take that.

    https://twitter.com/tsf_podcast/status/1384601384444702725?s=19

    I’m sure he would be devastated to be blamed for the failure of the ESL...
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    tlg86 said:

    Carragher spot on. Liverpool still hanging in there. Not a good look.

    Sky reporting Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal are the driving force behind this

    All US owners

    And Sky are saying that withdrawing is not as simple as some thought
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,456
    edited April 2021
    Let's hope Biden's ill-judged comments don't have an effect on the case.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,159
    Jonathan said:

    What a shame said no one anywhere.

    Downing Street scraps plans for White House-style press briefings https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56818750

    If I recall, various long in the tooth news types said this would never happen in the end.

    There is nothing new under the sun.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,130
    MaxPB said:
    That is 99.9% effective in the real world in preventing hospitalisation. Just incredible, way higher than expected.
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    tlg86 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Chauvin:

    Second degree unintentional - guilty
    Third degree - guilty
    Second degree manslaughter - guilty

    Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

    Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
    It's not that ludicrous.

    On the face it they have life means life sentencing, coupled with the fact we are ok with concurrent sentencing, whilst they like consecutive sentencing.
    We should have the option of consecutive sentences. Those tossers that killed the police officer just off the A4 could have been given 10 years for theft on top of the manslaughter conviction.
    We do have it, it is just the sentencing guidelines suggests judges go for concurrent sentencing in most cases.

    I'm in favour in changing that for murder/manslaughter cases as well sexual offence cases.
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623

    The Spanish are blaming Boris...Boris will take that.

    https://twitter.com/tsf_podcast/status/1384601384444702725?s=19

    Boris refused them their own Section 30 order?
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    MaxPB said:
    I can't read the story -- what's the data and the source? 32 in how long? It does sound like exceptionally good news.

    --AS
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,159
    Super League in ruins:


    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1384617692754292737


    LOL.

    How fast was that?

    Was it the Rashford intervention that killed it.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940

    tlg86 said:

    Carragher spot on. Liverpool still hanging in there. Not a good look.

    Sky reporting Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal are the driving force behind this

    All US owners

    And Sky are saying that withdrawing is not as simple as some thought
    Got a feeling that this may be wounded but not completely dead. Especially if the exit price rumours are true.
    Barca, Inter can't afford it. Not cheap for anyone.
    City and Chelsea can.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    https://twitter.com/chrisvanderveen/status/1384616345262776322

    The original police statement about Floyd's murder
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,645
    edited April 2021

    MaxPB said:
    I can't read the story -- what's the data and the source? 32 in how long? It does sound like exceptionally good news.

    --AS
    I find clicking on the link, then pressing escape halfway through loading lets you read most sites.

    SAGE/UK Coronavirus Clinical Characterisation Consortium, between September and March, and the 32 is people vaccinated at least three weeks before.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187

    Super League in ruins:


    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1384617692754292737


    LOL.

    How fast was that?

    Was it the Rashford intervention that killed it.

    Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
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    Sky saying ESL is hanging by a thread tonight
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,813
    This wretched Superleague is STILL ALIVE?!

    (I have been driving to Dorset...)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2021
    What if they collectively agree to engage with Uefa to try to modify the CL plans, while saying this plan is still viable..that seems like a get out.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,098
    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:
    That is 99.9% effective in the real world in preventing hospitalisation. Just incredible, way higher than expected.
    We want five nines!
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,331

    IanB2 said:

    Chauvin:

    Second degree unintentional - guilty
    Third degree - guilty
    Second degree manslaughter - guilty

    Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

    Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
    It's not that ludicrous.

    On the face it they have life means life sentencing, coupled with the fact we are ok with concurrent sentencing, whilst they like consecutive sentencing.
    Sentencing people to life us 160 yrs is not logical. Look at the you tube clips.

    America's legal system seems to be about vengeance not justice.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    Leon said:

    This wretched Superleague is STILL ALIVE?!

    (I have been driving to Dorset...)

    It is. There’s a lot of wishful thinking going on.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,130

    DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    Chauvin:

    Second degree unintentional - guilty
    Third degree - guilty
    Second degree manslaughter - guilty

    Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

    Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
    Maximum sentence on most serious charge is 40 years. Hard to see this being much short of the maximum to be honest. Not a lot of mitigating factors.
    That's too long if you believe he didn't mean to kill him, about right if you think he did
    I think he was callous in the extreme . Is 49 yrs too Long? Hmmmm.
    He wouldn't serve 40 years in this country had he been convicted of murder. I think American sentencing is extreme although sometimes we tend the other way too much.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,077
    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/chrisvanderveen/status/1384616345262776322

    The original police statement about Floyd's murder

    To be fair, I'm not sure what else they could have said at that point.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Leon said:

    This wretched Superleague is STILL ALIVE?!

    (I have been driving to Dorset...)

    Nah, it's dead. There's simply no way it survives without City and Chelsea who will both move to expel the other four from the EPL with the other 14 now which means Spurs will be forced into giving up.

    The lasting result from this will be the slow exit of American investors from English football now that they know there is no chance of "reforming" it to suit their no relegation model they want to import from their homeland.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    gealbhan said:

    Would Derek Chauvin be convicted if there was no footage at all of the incident?

    That's the million dollar question.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    tlg86 said:

    Super League in ruins:


    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1384617692754292737


    LOL.

    How fast was that?

    Was it the Rashford intervention that killed it.

    Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
    IF Chelsea have lied merely to disperse tonight's pitchfork wielders then I shudder to think of the scenes at next home game...
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,159

    Sky saying ESL is hanging by a thread tonight

    Pass me the scissors.

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    Still, you know who's smiling tonight? Ursula von der Leyen. She's no longer in charge of the worst organization with 'European' in the title...

    I'm surprise you're still posting on here as BluestBlue. I thought that after your contretemps with Contrarian on the last thread, you'd have succumbed to his attack and renamed yourself PinkoTory.
    I'm a little troubled that I had that exact thought earlier today...
    It is a side effect of the Bill Gates Covid-19 vaccine, it reads your brain, then sends your thoughts to this big server that some people can access.

    Northern Al obviously works for Bill Gates or is Bill Gates.
    Fuck you. Uncovering me like that.
    In tune with this, I strongly recommend the 1994 book 'Interface' by Neal Stephenson. PB Sci Fi / Thriller fans should like the mix of US Politics, Technology and secret cabals. It may be hard to find though.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,932
    edited April 2021
    tlg86 said:

    Super League in ruins:


    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1384617692754292737


    LOL.

    How fast was that?

    Was it the Rashford intervention that killed it.

    Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
    They still can - I don't see any point in stopping them.

    What the Premiership can now do is throw the remaining members out as there isn't 6 votes to block any awkward resolutions.
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    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Foxy said:

    Endillion said:

    Foxy said:

    Endillion said:

    OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):

    Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?

    The difference is between the Arabs and Russians vs the American owners is it not?
    Oh yeah, they're typically much more reputable.

    Wait.
    For all their tyranny, Russia and Arabia have strong football cultures.
    Russia, I'll give you. The Arabs do not in general have much interest in sporting matters. Their Olympic performances, for example, are on the whole utterly dire and it's clearly a question of priorities rather than lack of cash available to be invested.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549

    The Spanish are blaming Boris...Boris will take that.

    https://twitter.com/tsf_podcast/status/1384601384444702725?s=19

    He'll retweet it. "Yes it's all down to me. I saved football."
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    Leon said:

    This wretched Superleague is STILL ALIVE?!

    (I have been driving to Dorset...)

    Only City have formally pulled out.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    This wretched Superleague is STILL ALIVE?!

    (I have been driving to Dorset...)

    Nah, it's dead. There's simply no way it survives without City and Chelsea who will both move to expel the other four from the EPL with the other 14 now which means Spurs will be forced into giving up.

    The lasting result from this will be the slow exit of American investors from English football now that they know there is no chance of "reforming" it to suit their no relegation model they want to import from their homeland.
    Where do the billions come from once they are gone? China?
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,907
    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:
    That is 99.9% effective in the real world in preventing hospitalisation. Just incredible, way higher than expected.
    No paywall on the MSN link.

    Now this IS a big story.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/exclusive-just-32-people-in-hospital-with-covid-after-having-vaccination/ar-BB1fRxKr

    Early findings show that of 74,405 Covid-19 cases admitted to hospitals between September and March, just 32 had received a vaccine at least three weeks before.

    Kaboom!
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,524
    edited April 2021
    Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.

    Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
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    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    Leon said:

    This wretched Superleague is STILL ALIVE?!

    (I have been driving to Dorset...)

    If you strike it down, it will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,159
    tlg86 said:

    Super League in ruins:


    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1384617692754292737


    LOL.

    How fast was that?

    Was it the Rashford intervention that killed it.

    Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
    "Europe's elite suffer sport's most astounding humiliation - and wounds will take a long time to heal
    The European Super League plan blew up in an extraordinary day, leaving the sport more divided than ever... but still intact"

    Telegraph

    Massive block capitals
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,645

    gealbhan said:

    Would Derek Chauvin be convicted if there was no footage at all of the incident?

    That's the million dollar question.
    Its a hard no, he would not have been convicted. Where do I claim my million dollars?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,222

    IanB2 said:

    Chauvin:

    Second degree unintentional - guilty
    Third degree - guilty
    Second degree manslaughter - guilty

    Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

    Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
    12 1/2 seems to be the anticipated minimum, and there is expected to be a call for an aggravated sentence considerably longer
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2021

    Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead because of a rebellion by managers, players and (legacy) fans. It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.

    Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).

    Thr Athletic say they didn't tell the managers or thr highly influence club figures like Sir Alex and that was a massive issue. They were totally blindsided thr announcement, which instantly meant little chance they were onside.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    Souness says it’s impossible for FSG to go to Anfield again.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,932

    Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.

    Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).

    It's nice to see the HoC win their spurs without revealing what was actually in the legislative arsenal.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,813
    🚨🚨| The Super League clubs are considering possibilities if the English clubs leave. The project could end, or they could be replaced with clubs from other countries. Nothing is decided yet. @ellarguero #rmalive
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,077
    Fabrizio Romano
    @FabrizioRomano
    Florentino Perez is still in the #SuperLeague meeting tonight to decide about the future of the league. The English clubs are key to decide what's gonna happen - after Man City official statement to leave the competition. Police cars revolving light
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,159

    MaxPB said:
    I can't read the story -- what's the data and the source? 32 in how long? It does sound like exceptionally good news.

    --AS
    "detailed analysis by the UK Coronavirus Clinical Characterisation Consortium,"

    (telegrapH)
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,206
    Endillion said:

    Foxy said:

    Endillion said:

    Foxy said:

    Endillion said:

    OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):

    Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?

    The difference is between the Arabs and Russians vs the American owners is it not?
    Oh yeah, they're typically much more reputable.

    Wait.
    For all their tyranny, Russia and Arabia have strong football cultures.
    Russia, I'll give you. The Arabs do not in general have much interest in sporting matters. Their Olympic performances, for example, are on the whole utterly dire and it's clearly a question of priorities rather than lack of cash available to be invested.
    Algeria are current African Cup of Nations winners, and Egypt have won it 7 times.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2021

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:
    That is 99.9% effective in the real world in preventing hospitalisation. Just incredible, way higher than expected.
    No paywall on the MSN link.

    Now this IS a big story.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/exclusive-just-32-people-in-hospital-with-covid-after-having-vaccination/ar-BB1fRxKr

    Early findings show that of 74,405 Covid-19 cases admitted to hospitals between September and March, just 32 had received a vaccine at least three weeks before.

    Kaboom!
    That's incredible figure after just 1 dose......and there was Mini Trump telling everybody AZN was quasi effective.....
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    This wretched Superleague is STILL ALIVE?!

    (I have been driving to Dorset...)

    Nah, it's dead. There's simply no way it survives without City and Chelsea who will both move to expel the other four from the EPL with the other 14 now which means Spurs will be forced into giving up.

    The lasting result from this will be the slow exit of American investors from English football now that they know there is no chance of "reforming" it to suit their no relegation model they want to import from their homeland.
    Where do the billions come from once they are gone? China?
    What billions? Arsenal, Liverpool and Man United are all profitable clubs. Kroenke and Glazer are both a huge net drain on their clubs, it won't be long until FSG start taking dividends either.
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    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    Mourinho doing adverts for betting company on Sky sports just now

    That didn't take long

    Spurs must be feeling pretty silly at having fired him for speaking out over a new competition that's now basically DOA.

    *sarcasm face*
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,524

    Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead because of a rebellion by managers, players and (legacy) fans. It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.

    Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).

    Thr Athletic say they didn't tell the managers or thr highly influence club figures like Sir Alex and that was a massive issue. They were totally blindsided thr announcement, which instantly meant little chance they were onside.
    Yes, it looks like that's the case. Incredible. They weren't onside at all; looks like the ESL advocates didn't know the offside rule.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,932

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    This wretched Superleague is STILL ALIVE?!

    (I have been driving to Dorset...)

    Nah, it's dead. There's simply no way it survives without City and Chelsea who will both move to expel the other four from the EPL with the other 14 now which means Spurs will be forced into giving up.

    The lasting result from this will be the slow exit of American investors from English football now that they know there is no chance of "reforming" it to suit their no relegation model they want to import from their homeland.
    Where do the billions come from once they are gone? China?
    The majority comes from television provided you keep winning and spend it wisely.

    Only if you start losing (or others start spending stupid sums) does money need to be contributed.
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    FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047

    "Boris sees off the pesky forrins" is not going to do him any harm at all.
    Let's hope Liz hangs on in there or it's President Boris for life.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    dixiedean said:

    tlg86 said:

    Super League in ruins:


    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1384617692754292737


    LOL.

    How fast was that?

    Was it the Rashford intervention that killed it.

    Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
    IF Chelsea have lied merely to disperse tonight's pitchfork wielders then I shudder to think of the scenes at next home game...
    That thought occurred to me earlier.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,561
    Leon said:

    This wretched Superleague is STILL ALIVE?!

    (I have been driving to Dorset...)

    You're definitely going in the right direction pal!
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,907

    MaxPB said:
    Ultimately it looks like the AZ vaccine is an incredible vaccine. Like you've said before, maybe the dosage just needs to be refined for the young?
    I would think so. I had a big hit from it at 45 (I’m fit and healthy). I think we’ll get lots more reports like mine as we work down the groups. Do we really want to be giving 9 stone 21-year-old girls the the same dose as 17 stone 90-year-old blokes?
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    Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.

    Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).

    Yes but Boris was in the right place at the right time and immediately came out against it

    Remarkably tonight we have Spain blaming Boris for killing it
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,222

    Super League in ruins:


    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1384617692754292737


    LOL.

    How fast was that?

    Was it the Rashford intervention that killed it.

    Betting Tip: next Labour PM
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    LeonLeon Posts: 46,813
    I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League

    There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???

    However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,098
    Alistair said:

    https://twitter.com/chrisvanderveen/status/1384616345262776322

    The original police statement about Floyd's murder

    Think of all the similar cases where there wasn't a video of what happened.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2021

    Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.

    Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).

    I have a feeling tin ear May wouldn't have been so quick out the blocks, while Jezza would be passing a law to nationize all the teams.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,289
    edited April 2021
    tlg86 said:

    Souness says it’s impossible for FSG to go to Anfield again.

    He goes to Anfield regularly after doing an exclusive with The Sun close to anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster, I mean he remained manager for two years after that.

    LFC fans can be quite forgiving.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    IanB2 said:

    Chauvin:

    Second degree unintentional - guilty
    Third degree - guilty
    Second degree manslaughter - guilty

    Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.

    Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
    Maximum sentence on most serious charge is 40 years. Hard to see this being much short of the maximum to be honest. Not a lot of mitigating factors.
    That's too long if you believe he didn't mean to kill him, about right if you think he did
    I think he was callous in the extreme . Is 49 yrs too Long? Hmmmm.
    He wouldn't serve 40 years in this country had he been convicted of murder. I think American sentencing is extreme although sometimes we tend the other way too much.
    In this country it'd probably be a life sentence, possibly released on licence/parole after 20 years.

    The issue here is that Chauvin clearly didn't intend to kill him (so not direct murder) but didn't really give a shit if he did either.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,907
    tlg86 said:

    Super League in ruins:


    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1384617692754292737


    LOL.

    How fast was that?

    Was it the Rashford intervention that killed it.

    Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
    It’s not premature at all.

    It’s over.

    It ain’t happening.

    Everything else is gravy.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    Leon said:

    I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League

    There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???

    However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?

    I blame Brexit....
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,130

    tlg86 said:

    Carragher spot on. Liverpool still hanging in there. Not a good look.

    Sky reporting Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal are the driving force behind this

    All US owners

    And Sky are saying that withdrawing is not as simple as some thought
    Woodward seems to have had the JP Morgan connection. I don't think he would be resigning if the game was not a bogie.
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060

    Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.

    Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).

    I think the only people actually blaming Boris are those responsible for that Spanish Tweet.

    I just don’t think he’ll mind taking the blame (deserved or not).
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,331
    Endillion said:

    Mourinho doing adverts for betting company on Sky sports just now

    That didn't take long

    Spurs must be feeling pretty silly at having fired him for speaking out over a new competition that's now basically DOA.

    *sarcasm face*
    Mourinho has been doing it for some while iirc....
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    MaxPB said:
    I can't read the story -- what's the data and the source? 32 in how long? It does sound like exceptionally good news.

    --AS
    I find clicking on the link, then pressing escape halfway through loading lets you read most sites.

    SAGE/UK Coronavirus Clinical Characterisation Consortium, between September and March, and the 32 is people vaccinated at least three weeks before.
    Thanks. The number is difficult to put into context because it's based on a subset of all cases (there were about 300k hospitalizations in that period, and the study only counts 74405 of them) and we don't know the integrated vaccine coverage over that time (I think it might be around 10-15%: none at all in the first half of the study, then rising to 50% by the end), so we'll have to wait for SAGE to give the true calculations to the politicians, but it does look like it might end up in the region of 99% effectiveness. That would be better than I was hoping for.

    I guess, though, the government might be circumspect about saying too much that would encourage the vaccinated to ignore restrictions, as a matter of fairness to the younger cohorts who haven't had the chance yet.

    --AS
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,907

    MaxPB said:
    I can't read the story -- what's the data and the source? 32 in how long? It does sound like exceptionally good news.

    --AS
    Linked to the free version at 1035hrs
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    ClippPClippP Posts: 1,680

    Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.

    Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).

    I have a feeling tin ear May wouldn't have been so quick out the blocks, while Jezza would be passing a law to nationize all the teams.
    Well, he was shown the way by Ed Davey and then by K Starmer, so perhaps even Mrs May would have followed on too.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,645
    Leon said:

    I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League

    There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???

    However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?

    Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,907

    MaxPB said:
    I can't read the story -- what's the data and the source? 32 in how long? It does sound like exceptionally good news.

    --AS
    I find clicking on the link, then pressing escape halfway through loading lets you read most sites.

    SAGE/UK Coronavirus Clinical Characterisation Consortium, between September and March, and the 32 is people vaccinated at least three weeks before.
    Thanks. The number is difficult to put into context because it's based on a subset of all cases (there were about 300k hospitalizations in that period, and the study only counts 74405 of them) and we don't know the integrated vaccine coverage over that time (I think it might be around 10-15%: none at all in the first half of the study, then rising to 50% by the end), so we'll have to wait for SAGE to give the true calculations to the politicians, but it does look like it might end up in the region of 99% effectiveness. That would be better than I was hoping for.

    I guess, though, the government might be circumspect about saying too much that would encourage the vaccinated to ignore restrictions, as a matter of fairness to the younger cohorts who haven't had the chance yet.

    --AS
    There’s definitely a lot of that going on. The government is going to stick to the dates.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,561
    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.

    Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).

    It's nice to see the HoC win their spurs without revealing what was actually in the legislative arsenal.
    They had to look Inter it. Or there would have been Real trouble.
    Man U have really had to dig deep for those puns.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,524

    Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.

    Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).

    I have a feeling tin ear May wouldn't have been so quick out the blocks, while Jezza would be passing a law to nationize all the teams.
    You may be right. But my point really was that I think if the government had said absolutely nothing the plan would still be dead in the water anyway, given the backlash from fans, players and (some) managers.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,645

    MaxPB said:
    I can't read the story -- what's the data and the source? 32 in how long? It does sound like exceptionally good news.

    --AS
    I find clicking on the link, then pressing escape halfway through loading lets you read most sites.

    SAGE/UK Coronavirus Clinical Characterisation Consortium, between September and March, and the 32 is people vaccinated at least three weeks before.
    Thanks. The number is difficult to put into context because it's based on a subset of all cases (there were about 300k hospitalizations in that period, and the study only counts 74405 of them) and we don't know the integrated vaccine coverage over that time (I think it might be around 10-15%: none at all in the first half of the study, then rising to 50% by the end), so we'll have to wait for SAGE to give the true calculations to the politicians, but it does look like it might end up in the region of 99% effectiveness. That would be better than I was hoping for.

    I guess, though, the government might be circumspect about saying too much that would encourage the vaccinated to ignore restrictions, as a matter of fairness to the younger cohorts who haven't had the chance yet.

    --AS
    Yes its an absurd comparison given no-one was vaccinated in September, but even so the numbers stack up as close to a best case scenario as we could hope for.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited April 2021
    ClippP said:

    Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.

    Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).

    I have a feeling tin ear May wouldn't have been so quick out the blocks, while Jezza would be passing a law to nationize all the teams.
    Well, he was shown the way by Ed Davey and then by K Starmer, so perhaps even Mrs May would have followed on too.
    On this story, its still Ed who and Starmer will only be remembered for the pub punch-up.

    Boris has the advantage of being PM and lucky that it folds before he has to actually make a tough decision. Gets to do his quiet pint photo op and say British football for British fans, up the werkers.
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    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    Endillion said:

    Foxy said:

    Endillion said:

    Foxy said:

    Endillion said:

    OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):

    Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?

    The difference is between the Arabs and Russians vs the American owners is it not?
    Oh yeah, they're typically much more reputable.

    Wait.
    For all their tyranny, Russia and Arabia have strong football cultures.
    Russia, I'll give you. The Arabs do not in general have much interest in sporting matters. Their Olympic performances, for example, are on the whole utterly dire and it's clearly a question of priorities rather than lack of cash available to be invested.
    Algeria are current African Cup of Nations winners, and Egypt have won it 7 times.
    Fair enough, I was slightly lazy in using "Arabs" as shorthand for "Arabia", although I would argue that Jordan, Syria, Iraq etc are also included. Perhaps "Middle Eastern Arabs".

    Anyway, their performances against the rest of the world still leave something to be desired.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:
    That is 99.9% effective in the real world in preventing hospitalisation. Just incredible, way higher than expected.
    No paywall on the MSN link.

    Now this IS a big story.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/exclusive-just-32-people-in-hospital-with-covid-after-having-vaccination/ar-BB1fRxKr

    Early findings show that of 74,405 Covid-19 cases admitted to hospitals between September and March, just 32 had received a vaccine at least three weeks before.

    Kaboom!
    If this is anything like accurate then Government attempts to try to keep masks, impose vaxports and retain any other restrictions past the Summer will become even more difficult and unpopular. At that juncture the remaining vulnerable population will effectively consist only of unvaccinated adults, the overwhelming majority of whom will be stick-in-the-mud refusers. Any attempts to subject the population at large to any kind of nonsense just to save their arses will be met with the rejoinder "Let them die if they want to." We may finally see an end to the endless emergency after all.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,907
    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Carragher spot on. Liverpool still hanging in there. Not a good look.

    Sky reporting Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal are the driving force behind this

    All US owners

    And Sky are saying that withdrawing is not as simple as some thought
    Woodward seems to have had the JP Morgan connection. I don't think he would be resigning if the game was not a bogie.
    There’s a very weird tendency on PB to attempt to keep zombies alive. It reached extreme levels with Trump - this is another case, albeit in miniature.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    Leon said:

    I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League

    There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???

    However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?

    Did say yesterday we might end up with a Premier League, a fan-owned Bundesliga, and a rest of Europe league.
    The latter has some positives if not a closed shop.
    Especially for big clubs in small countries and Eastern Europe.
    Ajax, Porto, Olympiakos, Dynamo Kiev, etc. could access some funding for a change. And be in a proper competition.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    Was Chauvin's defence anything more than it was the drugs that did it?

    There is some speculation that the original defence was meant to be that what he did fell within police guidelines and hence he was doing what he was trained to do, no matter how distressing the situation.

    But that fell apart when his fellow officers and chief came out against him, emphatically stating that the use of force was excessive, should have ceased when he was prone and that medical assistance should have been proffered sooner.

    So, it was the drugs wot did it became the defence by default.
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