The resignations suggest this was a serious plan. Not just a ploy
I think we have to wait until the dust settles and see what concessions the 12 teams get in whatever the new CL set up is.
No way they get as much as they expected. Pulling out with a few days with Chairmen resigning amid universal outrage does not put them in as strong a position to demand concessions as they would have liked, even if they still get a few.
UEFA I think can now safely say screw you, do what we tell you...your playing in our absolutely moronically designed competition and you will like it....any grumbling and we will fine you. Now go to your room for the rest of the season.
Given that UEFA's new competition rules were partly designed to try and stop this, I don't suppose that there's anyway they can screw them further and revert to rules designed sensibly rather than to try and fake them always being present even if they have a bad season?
Here is a topic to generate controversy. I have just come across a survey about the most famous Yorkshireman and Yorkshirewomen. The answer was Michael Palin and Judy Dench. There seems to be an historic disconnect here. So off the top of my head here are Harold Wilson, James Cook, John Harrison, H H Asquith, the Bronte Sisters, Nicola Adams, Lizzie Armistead, Joseph Priestley, Ann Lister, William Wilberforce. Any other suggestions?
Andrew Marvell, WH Auden, Ted Hughes...
... Brian Blessed, Patrick Stewart, The Chuckle Brothers.
The resignations suggest this was a serious plan. Not just a ploy
I think we have to wait until the dust settles and see what concessions the 12 teams get in whatever the new CL set up is.
No way they get as much as they expected. Pulling out with a few days with Chairmen resigning amid universal outrage does not put them in as strong a position to demand concessions as they would have liked, even if they still get a few.
UEFA I think can now safely say screw you, do what we tell you...your playing in our absolutely moronically designed competition and you will like it....any grumbling and we will fine you. Now go to your room for the rest of the season.
Given that UEFA's new competition rules were partly designed to try and stop this, I don't suppose that there's anyway they can screw them further and revert to rules designed sensibly rather than to try and fake them always being present even if they have a bad season?
Hope so - after all the fans have spoken that they want teams to have to qualify for the competition.
Completely o/t, but someone here will no the answer: I just got within an inch of being scammed by a fake e-commerce site, to the point where I had typed in my credit card details. Luckily I realised straightaway and cancelled the card.
The fake website exists in various forms under multiple domain names, such as:
egospeedy.com tyresplusd.com mudpumpsm.top
with what looks like fake WHOIS information and no proper contact information.
However, they do have valid https certificates (Cloudflare).
Is there somewhere where I can report this to get the certificates revoked?
Be aware you will almost certainly get a phone call purportedly from your bank’s fraud department - the ‘safe account’ scam where they try to get you to transfer your funds into another account. Speaking from experience, they are VERY persuasive. You may also be targeted with multiple reminders that your (faked) anti virus software accounts and other security software needs renewed, again seeking your banking details. After 3-4 months this has tailed off for me.
The other issue is number spoofing is easily done these days.
Yes - the call I received was spoofed to appear the same as the one on my credit card.
Always insist on ringing back and use a different device to do so.
If it is your bank they will give you a reference number....
Still, you know who's smiling tonight? Ursula von der Leyen. She's no longer in charge of the worst organization with 'European' in the title...
I'm surprise you're still posting on here as BluestBlue. I thought that after your contretemps with Contrarian on the last thread, you'd have succumbed to his attack and renamed yourself PinkoTory.
I'm a little troubled that I had that exact thought earlier today...
Completely o/t, but someone here will no the answer: I just got within an inch of being scammed by a fake e-commerce site, to the point where I had typed in my credit card details. Luckily I realised straightaway and cancelled the card.
The fake website exists in various forms under multiple domain names, such as:
egospeedy.com tyresplusd.com mudpumpsm.top
with what looks like fake WHOIS information and no proper contact information.
However, they do have valid https certificates (Cloudflare).
Is there somewhere where I can report this to get the certificates revoked?
Be aware you will almost certainly get a phone call purportedly from your bank’s fraud department - the ‘safe account’ scam where they try to get you to transfer your funds into another account. Speaking from experience, they are VERY persuasive. You may also be targeted with multiple reminders that your (faked) anti virus software accounts and other security software needs renewed, again seeking your banking details. After 3-4 months this has tailed off for me.
The other issue is number spoofing is easily done these days.
Yes - the call I received was spoofed to appear the same as the one on my credit card.
Part of my day job is to work on stuff like this.
The other area of concern is SIM jacking, which becomes a real issue with this becoming mandatory soon.
All Liverpool players tweeting a message of opposition against the Super League.
Quick out of the blocks. Must be knackered from last night.
Milner set the lead last night.
Milner and Klopp both did. YNWA. 👍
You'll Never Walk Away?
No need to walk away.
Once again been shown, as it was with the fans, Klopp and Milner yesterday that the club and its history and its future is bigger than whatever owners temporarily have the shares today.
Completely o/t, but someone here will no the answer: I just got within an inch of being scammed by a fake e-commerce site, to the point where I had typed in my credit card details. Luckily I realised straightaway and cancelled the card.
The fake website exists in various forms under multiple domain names, such as:
egospeedy.com tyresplusd.com mudpumpsm.top
with what looks like fake WHOIS information and no proper contact information.
However, they do have valid https certificates (Cloudflare).
Is there somewhere where I can report this to get the certificates revoked?
Be aware you will almost certainly get a phone call purportedly from your bank’s fraud department - the ‘safe account’ scam where they try to get you to transfer your funds into another account. Speaking from experience, they are VERY persuasive. You may also be targeted with multiple reminders that your (faked) anti virus software accounts and other security software needs renewed, again seeking your banking details. After 3-4 months this has tailed off for me.
The other issue is number spoofing is easily done these days.
Yes - the call I received was spoofed to appear the same as the one on my credit card.
Part of my day job is to work on stuff like this.
The other area of concern is SIM jacking, which becomes a real issue with this becoming mandatory soon.
Asking as I've not paid total attention to that area I'm more concerned with just finding a decent open banking provider that actually handles business accounts...
Reckon the Chauvin verdict will be guilty. It's clearly a different case from when an officer has to make a split second decision with a gun.
But which charge? Second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder or second-degree manslaughter?
Would be stunned if he got 2nd degree murder.
Good chance of 3rd degree.
Manslaughter is a banker.
Should be 2nd degree.
I mean, we have it on video so obviously it should be but the bar to clear to meet 2nd degree murder is fairly specific so will give a juror so inclined space to say no.
Still, you know who's smiling tonight? Ursula von der Leyen. She's no longer in charge of the worst organization with 'European' in the title...
I'm surprise you're still posting on here as BluestBlue. I thought that after your contretemps with Contrarian on the last thread, you'd have succumbed to his attack and renamed yourself PinkoTory.
I'm a little troubled that I had that exact thought earlier today...
It is a side effect of the Bill Gates Covid-19 vaccine, it reads your brain, then sends your thoughts to this big server that some people can access.
Northern Al obviously works for Bill Gates or is Bill Gates.
Completely o/t, but someone here will no the answer: I just got within an inch of being scammed by a fake e-commerce site, to the point where I had typed in my credit card details. Luckily I realised straightaway and cancelled the card.
The fake website exists in various forms under multiple domain names, such as:
egospeedy.com tyresplusd.com mudpumpsm.top
with what looks like fake WHOIS information and no proper contact information.
However, they do have valid https certificates (Cloudflare).
Is there somewhere where I can report this to get the certificates revoked?
Be aware you will almost certainly get a phone call purportedly from your bank’s fraud department - the ‘safe account’ scam where they try to get you to transfer your funds into another account. Speaking from experience, they are VERY persuasive. You may also be targeted with multiple reminders that your (faked) anti virus software accounts and other security software needs renewed, again seeking your banking details. After 3-4 months this has tailed off for me.
The other issue is number spoofing is easily done these days.
Yes - the call I received was spoofed to appear the same as the one on my credit card.
Always insist on ringing back and use a different device to do so.
If it is your bank they will give you a reference number....
Yes you can't trust any phone numbers. There are some out of band solutions for authenticating numbers, like Google's Verified Calls, but those are hardly widely used or available.
I hope PBers won’t now indulge in days/weeks/months of ostentatious season-ticket tearing, and sanctimonious moralising, trading their replica shirts for hair shirts and condemning anyone who supports a Big Six club (who for many people is their local club).
On this I agree with Eagles: a football club isn’t the tiny coterie of billionaires who happen to be running it at any given time.
OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):
Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?
Have they signed a 23 year contract with JPM and a bunch of litigious billionaires as a stitch up prank? No.
Meh. Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour have lawyers that even JPM would be jealous of.
Edit: the flipside of your argument is that, therefore, they must have signed a 23 year contract with JPM and a bunch of litigious billionaires without bothering to think through the consequences to their reputations, or conducting any form of market research to find out the likely reactions from the people whose opinions they apparently value the most. Which is... I guess slightly more likely, in principle?
City and Chelsea owners aren't really in it for the money. I mean it's their money that's in it but the others want money out of it all particularly FSG and the Glazers.
City and Chelsea owners aren't really in it for the money. I mean it's their money that's in it but the others want money out of it all particularly FSG and the Glazers.
FSG haven't taken a single penny out of Liverpool or the Red Sox in a combined 30 years of ownership.
OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):
Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?
Have they signed a 23 year contract with JPM and a bunch of litigious billionaires as a stitch up prank? No.
There's almost certainly an exit mechanism.
There is a "heavy fine" to leave unless all 12 agree. Not sure what "heavy" is in this context but imagine low nine figures?
I doubt it, the same people at JP Morgan wjk have done "all the right calculations" and come up with idiot phrases like "legacy fans" seem rather clueless.
I live in Drakeford's constituency not more than one hundred yards from the office he shares with Kevin Brennan. Neil McEvoy's office is a few hundred yards in the other direction. Walking around yesterday, particularly the newbuild housing estate, the only real posters were for Plaid. My guess is Drakeford will hold on but I get little sense McEvoy will split the independence vote substantially so 4/1 Plaid isn't bad.
City and Chelsea owners aren't really in it for the money. I mean it's their money that's in it but the others want money out of it all particularly FSG and the Glazers.
FSG haven't taken a single penny out of Liverpool or the Red Sox in a combined 30 years of ownership.
Glazers on the other hand have bled United dry.
Precisely.
This was ignorance not malice IMO. Americans don't get the pyramid.
Swiftly reversed. Its not the first time FSG have made a mis-step but they're very good at listening to the fans when they do.
City and Chelsea owners aren't really in it for the money. I mean it's their money that's in it but the others want money out of it all particularly FSG and the Glazers.
FSG haven't taken a single penny out of Liverpool or the Red Sox in a combined 30 years of ownership.
Glazers on the other hand have bled United dry.
So? FSG are in this for the money as has been proven in the last 48 hours. Don’t get upset if they change their approach over the next few years.
City and Chelsea owners aren't really in it for the money. I mean it's their money that's in it but the others want money out of it all particularly FSG and the Glazers.
FSG haven't taken a single penny out of Liverpool or the Red Sox in a combined 30 years of ownership.
Glazers on the other hand have bled United dry.
Precisely.
This was ignorance not malice IMO. Americans don't get the pyramid.
Swiftly reversed. Its not the first time FSG have made a mis-step but they're very good at listening to the fans when they do.
Second degree unintentional - guilty Third degree - guilty Second degree manslaughter - guilty
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):
Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?
Have they signed a 23 year contract with JPM and a bunch of litigious billionaires as a stitch up prank? No.
There's almost certainly an exit mechanism.
There is a "heavy fine" to leave unless all 12 agree. Not sure what "heavy" is in this context but imagine low nine figures?
I doubt it, the same people at JP Morgan wjk have done "all the right calculations" and come up with idiot phrases like "legacy fans" seem rather clueless.
Real Madrid journalists are reporting the heavy exit penalty arrangement but without an amount. Paul Tenorio seems to be the original source, also writes for the Athletic so will be fairly reliable. (The amount is just my complete guess based on first year payments if it went ahead).
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Second degree unintentional - guilty Third degree - guilty Second degree manslaughter - guilty
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
Maximum sentence on most serious charge is 40 years. Hard to see this being much short of the maximum to be honest. Not a lot of mitigating factors.
Second degree unintentional - guilty Third degree - guilty Second degree manslaughter - guilty
Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.
Trouble with America is that sentencing policy is ludicrous. I have no idea what sentence he will serve.. could be anything from a few yrs to 99 yrs... plus 160 more on the other counts...
I do wonder just how biblical Chauvin's sentence is going to be.
OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):
Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?
Have they signed a 23 year contract with JPM and a bunch of litigious billionaires as a stitch up prank? No.
There's almost certainly an exit mechanism.
There is a "heavy fine" to leave unless all 12 agree. Not sure what "heavy" is in this context but imagine low nine figures?
I doubt it, the same people at JP Morgan wjk have done "all the right calculations" and come up with idiot phrases like "legacy fans" seem rather clueless.
Real Madrid journalists are reporting the heavy exit penalty arrangement but without an amount. Paul Tenorio seems to be the original source, also writes for the Athletic so will be fairly reliable. (The amount is just my complete guess based on first year payments if it went ahead).
Neville also suggesting it could be a £100m exit penalty and Real Madrid may enforce it.
OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):
Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?
Have they signed a 23 year contract with JPM and a bunch of litigious billionaires as a stitch up prank? No.
There's almost certainly an exit mechanism.
There is a "heavy fine" to leave unless all 12 agree. Not sure what "heavy" is in this context but imagine low nine figures?
I doubt it, the same people at JP Morgan wjk have done "all the right calculations" and come up with idiot phrases like "legacy fans" seem rather clueless.
Real Madrid journalists are reporting the heavy exit penalty arrangement but without an amount. Paul Tenorio seems to be the original source, also writes for the Athletic so will be fairly reliable. (The amount is just my complete guess based on first year payments if it went ahead).
I assume if they collective agree to fold they will incur less damages to their income
Notice how even in Guardian the news that Allegra will not be telling us sotto voice the latest Johnson thinking from a £2m tv set only makes below the fold.
A Jo 'super league' Moore day. Outstanding from No 10 press. One can only be impressed.
And I guess he will be somewhat relieved. If it had gone any other way a sitting President saying the evidence is overwhelming could well have been controversial to say the least.
OK so here's my thought for the evening (and apologies if others have had the same one already):
Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?
Have they signed a 23 year contract with JPM and a bunch of litigious billionaires as a stitch up prank? No.
There's almost certainly an exit mechanism.
There is a "heavy fine" to leave unless all 12 agree. Not sure what "heavy" is in this context but imagine low nine figures?
I doubt it, the same people at JP Morgan wjk have done "all the right calculations" and come up with idiot phrases like "legacy fans" seem rather clueless.
Real Madrid journalists are reporting the heavy exit penalty arrangement but without an amount. Paul Tenorio seems to be the original source, also writes for the Athletic so will be fairly reliable. (The amount is just my complete guess based on first year payments if it went ahead).
Neville also suggesting it could be a £100m exit penalty and Real Madrid may enforce it.
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I no longer support Arsenal in case you haven’t noticed.
(Bellerin on the bandwagon, I see)
I expect the other English clubs to do the same tomorrow or even the announcement from the ESL that they have folded
All Northerners sound the same to me...
(only kidding!)
Good chance of 3rd degree.
Manslaughter is a banker.
If it is your bank they will give you a reference number....
The other area of concern is SIM jacking, which becomes a real issue with this becoming mandatory soon.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/saving/article-5946191/Visa-require-text-message-confirmation-online-card-purchases.html
You and Brom need to start a support group.
Even Rashford got in reasonably early today.
Once again been shown, as it was with the fans, Klopp and Milner yesterday that the club and its history and its future is bigger than whatever owners temporarily have the shares today.
That's the way its meant to be.
Asking as I've not paid total attention to that area I'm more concerned with just finding a decent open banking provider that actually handles business accounts...
Northern Al obviously works for Bill Gates or is Bill Gates.
Is this meant to be some sort of competition.
TSE called this yesterday that Klopp had been forthright and would be working behind the scenes to ensure this dies. Mission accomplished.
European Royalty.
The boat was stuck in the Suez Canal longer than the Super League lasted.
On this I agree with Eagles: a football club isn’t the tiny coterie of billionaires who happen to be running it at any given time.
Until then it has not died
More reports coming in about the Super League.
Atletico and Barcelona are still IN.
Chelsea are undecided and have expressed doubts.
Man City are the only team to have officially withdrawn.
Edit - It is kinda funny that despite 3 Champions League wins the only anyone remembers is the one where Carlo's lost a 3 nil.
Have City and Chelsea deliberately stitched up the other four, or did they genuinely not expect the blowback to be anything like this bad?
Edit: the flipside of your argument is that, therefore, they must have signed a 23 year contract with JPM and a bunch of litigious billionaires without bothering to think through the consequences to their reputations, or conducting any form of market research to find out the likely reactions from the people whose opinions they apparently value the most. Which is... I guess slightly more likely, in principle?
A big club one might say.
Young Sunil: "Got any Quorn?"
Young TSE: "If you want!" (He also takes a bottle of meat from the fridge).
Young Sunil: "Meat...? Ugh!"
Young TSE: "It's what Ian Rush drinks."
Young Sunil: "Ian Rush?"
Young TSE: "Yeah, an' he says if I don't drink lots of meat, when I grow up I'm only gonna be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley!"
Young Sunil: "Accrington Stanley? Who are they?"
Young TSE: "Exactly!"
Damn right! Kudos America.
Second degree unintentional - guilty
Third degree - guilty
Second degree manslaughter - guilty
Glazers on the other hand have bled United dry.
This was ignorance not malice IMO. Americans don't get the pyramid.
Swiftly reversed. Its not the first time FSG have made a mis-step but they're very good at listening to the fans when they do.
Really don't understand how you can be convicted of the same crime 3x on 3 different charges. Presumably in case 1 is reduced on appeal?
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Jury find Chauvin guilty. They were right.
That didn't take long
Wait.
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LOL. Fuckin LOL
This looks like absolutely incredible news on the face of it.
A Jo 'super league' Moore day. Outstanding from No 10 press. One can only be impressed.
Cannot believe there were people chin stroking going "the prosecution have failed to make their case"