Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
IF Chelsea have lied merely to disperse tonight's pitchfork wielders then I shudder to think of the scenes at next home game...
Early findings show that of 74,405 Covid-19 cases admitted to hospitals between September and March, just 32 had received a vaccine at least three weeks before.
Kaboom!
It is good news, but a rather odd summary. Pfizer vaccination started in the first week of Dec, so to add three weeks takes efficacy to end Dec, with AZN plus 3 weeks to end Jan for the very first patients. So why include September to December in the numbers? There would be a few thousand trial patients, but otherwise no treatment group. The January, February and March figures would be more meaningful.
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead mainly because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
I have a feeling tin ear May wouldn't have been so quick out the blocks, while Jezza would be passing a law to nationize all the teams.
You may be right. But my point really was that I think if the government had said absolutely nothing the plan would still be dead in the water anyway, given the backlash from fans, players and (some) managers.
Oh I am sure, as I said downthread Boris a lucky general, but also he does have an instinct for these kind of things. May would have pontificated, muttered about process and such like and eventually probably got there.
The original police statement about Floyd's murder
Think of all the similar cases where there wasn't a video of what happened.
Tennessee police shot a 17 year old at a school a few days ago. They said the kid shot a police officer. So it was presented as heroic police stop killing spree at school.
A 2 day later it turns out the officer shot himself whilst drawing his gun.
Premature. Only City are out. That the rest are still thinking about this tells us that it’s not straightforward. This wasn’t a bluff. They want(ed) to do this.
IF Chelsea have lied merely to disperse tonight's pitchfork wielders then I shudder to think of the scenes at next home game...
That thought occurred to me earlier.
Sheer fantasy.
Give it up FFS.
"Plans for a breakaway European Super League were left in tatters after Chelsea and Manchester City began preparing documentation to withdraw from the competition.
The rest of the 12 clubs appear set to join them with Ed Woodward resigning as Manchester United's executive vice-chairman. "
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
Absolutely. I’ve always thought that’s the answer. A British Isles league with Celtic and Rangers in the Prem
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
For tiny countries, Belgium and the Netherlands produce outstanding numbers of excellent footballers. For example there were more Belgians than English players in the Leicester City starting line up in our last PL game.
Their system is a much better one for youth development. Partly it is better youth coaching, but also it is a system that young players get match experience too.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
"Liverpool Football Club can confirm that our involvement in proposed plans to form a European Super League has been discontinued.
In recent days, the club has received representations from various key stakeholders, both internally and externally, and we would like to thank them for their valuable contributions."
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
Absolutely. I’ve always thought that’s the answer. A British Isles league with Celtic and Rangers in the Prem
Maybe add Scandinavia to that
No way. Fans need to travel to away games. Respect national footballing traditions.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
For tiny countries, Belgium and the Netherlands produce outstanding numbers of excellent footballers. For example there were more Belgians than English players in the Leicester City starting line up in our last PL game.
Their system is a much better one for youth development. Partly it is better youth coaching, but also it is a system that young players get match experience too.
Sure I read of a proposed league of 10 Dutch and 8 Belgian teams. Here it is.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
Absolutely. I’ve always thought that’s the answer. A British Isles league with Celtic and Rangers in the Prem
Maybe add Scandinavia to that
No way. Fans need to travel to away games. Respect national footballing traditions.
Glasgow is a darn sight closer to Newcastle than London is.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
For tiny countries, Belgium and the Netherlands produce outstanding numbers of excellent footballers. For example there were more Belgians than English players in the Leicester City starting line up in our last PL game.
Their system is a much better one for youth development. Partly it is better youth coaching, but also it is a system that young players get match experience too.
They also don't have rugby or cricket competing in the same talent pool.
Won’t happen, but I think relegating the six to the Championship for next season would be suitable punishment for all this angst.
At least they'll be openly mocked for the foreseeable and have demonstrated that their bargaining position isn't as big as they thought it was. Bodes well for the future.
Early findings show that of 74,405 Covid-19 cases admitted to hospitals between September and March, just 32 had received a vaccine at least three weeks before.
Kaboom!
If this is anything like accurate then Government attempts to try to keep masks, impose vaxports and retain any other restrictions past the Summer will become even more difficult and unpopular. At that juncture the remaining vulnerable population will effectively consist only of unvaccinated adults, the overwhelming majority of whom will be stick-in-the-mud refusers. Any attempts to subject the population at large to any kind of nonsense just to save their arses will be met with the rejoinder "Let them die if they want to." We may finally see an end to the endless emergency after all.
I wonder what percentage of refusers we’ll end up with? It’s about 20% in Israel I believe.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
Absolutely. I’ve always thought that’s the answer. A British Isles league with Celtic and Rangers in the Prem
Maybe add Scandinavia to that
No way. Fans need to travel to away games. Respect national footballing traditions.
Celtic and Rangers are great teams that would LOVE to be in the British Premier League. And we are one country. Still. Much as you wish it otherwise
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
Absolutely. I’ve always thought that’s the answer. A British Isles league with Celtic and Rangers in the Prem
Maybe add Scandinavia to that
No way. Fans need to travel to away games. Respect national footballing traditions.
Glasgow is a darn sight closer to Newcastle than London is.
Train Journey time wise there can't be anything in it...
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
For tiny countries, Belgium and the Netherlands produce outstanding numbers of excellent footballers. For example there were more Belgians than English players in the Leicester City starting line up in our last PL game.
Their system is a much better one for youth development. Partly it is better youth coaching, but also it is a system that young players get match experience too.
Sure I read of a proposed league of 10 Dutch and 8 Belgian teams. Here it is.
Despite those on here who wish to give Boris prime credit for killing the ESL, it looks to me like it's stone dead because of a searing rebellion by managers (some), players (most) and (legacy) fans (all). It's remarkably inept that this wasn't foreseen, and that players and managers weren't got on board in advance of the announcement.
Credit to the government for opposing it; any government in this country would have done the same, whatever colour. Rarely is the HoC so united (or should that be city?).
It's nice to see the HoC win their spurs without revealing what was actually in the legislative arsenal.
They had to look Inter it. Or there would have been Real trouble.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
Absolutely. I’ve always thought that’s the answer. A British Isles league with Celtic and Rangers in the Prem
Maybe add Scandinavia to that
No way. Fans need to travel to away games. Respect national footballing traditions.
National boundaries are arbitrary anyway. Portugal might easily have ended up part of Spain, what difference does it really make where the boundary is? Whereas a league with Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Porto, Lisbon, Benfica, Sevilla and Valencia sounds fantastic.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
Absolutely. I’ve always thought that’s the answer. A British Isles league with Celtic and Rangers in the Prem
Maybe add Scandinavia to that
No way. Fans need to travel to away games. Respect national footballing traditions.
Glasgow is a darn sight closer to Newcastle than London is.
We sometimes tend to forget that the entire UK is, in any event, not terribly big in the grand scheme of things. Getting to London from Edinburgh or vice versa is a bit of a trek but it's not exactly New York to LA.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
Absolutely. I’ve always thought that’s the answer. A British Isles league with Celtic and Rangers in the Prem
Maybe add Scandinavia to that
No way. Fans need to travel to away games. Respect national footballing traditions.
Celtic and Rangers are great teams that would LOVE to be in the British Premier League. And we are one country. Still. Much as you wish it otherwise
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
Absolutely. I’ve always thought that’s the answer. A British Isles league with Celtic and Rangers in the Prem
Maybe add Scandinavia to that
No way. Fans need to travel to away games. Respect national footballing traditions.
Glasgow is a darn sight closer to Newcastle than London is.
We sometimes tend to forget that the entire UK is, in any event, not terribly big in the grand scheme of things. Getting to London from Edinburgh or vice versa is a bit of a trek but it's not exactly New York to LA.
Indeed, Edinburgh is closer to London than Jacksonville FL is to Key West FL.
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
For tiny countries, Belgium and the Netherlands produce outstanding numbers of excellent footballers. For example there were more Belgians than English players in the Leicester City starting line up in our last PL game.
Their system is a much better one for youth development. Partly it is better youth coaching, but also it is a system that young players get match experience too.
Sure I read of a proposed league of 10 Dutch and 8 Belgian teams. Here it is.
A Benelux league not quite so daft, but adding in France?
The French league is only going to get more and more boring with PSG dominating. Action is needed, either equalise the finances so that Marseille, Lyons, Lille et al have chances or bring in Ajax, Feyenood, Anderlecht and PSV.
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Club Sport vs Franchise Entertainment. This country, and indeed all of Europe prefers the former, the US and most of Asia prefer the latter.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
For tiny countries, Belgium and the Netherlands produce outstanding numbers of excellent footballers. For example there were more Belgians than English players in the Leicester City starting line up in our last PL game.
Their system is a much better one for youth development. Partly it is better youth coaching, but also it is a system that young players get match experience too.
Sure I read of a proposed league of 10 Dutch and 8 Belgian teams. Here it is.
A Benelux league not quite so daft, but adding in France?
The French league is only going to get more and more boring with PSG dominating. Action is needed, either equalise the finances so that Marseille, Lyons, Lille et al have chances or bring in Ajax, Feyenood, Anderlecht and PSV.
PSG are not even top of Ligue 1! Although they probably will be after their game in hand.
Early findings show that of 74,405 Covid-19 cases admitted to hospitals between September and March, just 32 had received a vaccine at least three weeks before.
Kaboom!
If this is anything like accurate then Government attempts to try to keep masks, impose vaxports and retain any other restrictions past the Summer will become even more difficult and unpopular. At that juncture the remaining vulnerable population will effectively consist only of unvaccinated adults, the overwhelming majority of whom will be stick-in-the-mud refusers. Any attempts to subject the population at large to any kind of nonsense just to save their arses will be met with the rejoinder "Let them die if they want to." We may finally see an end to the endless emergency after all.
I wonder what percentage of refusers we’ll end up with? It’s about 20% in Israel I believe.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
For tiny countries, Belgium and the Netherlands produce outstanding numbers of excellent footballers. For example there were more Belgians than English players in the Leicester City starting line up in our last PL game.
Their system is a much better one for youth development. Partly it is better youth coaching, but also it is a system that young players get match experience too.
Sure I read of a proposed league of 10 Dutch and 8 Belgian teams. Here it is.
A Benelux league not quite so daft, but adding in France?
The French league is only going to get more and more boring with PSG dominating. Action is needed, either equalise the finances so that Marseille, Lyons, Lille et al have chances or bring in Ajax, Feyenood, Anderlecht and PSV.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
For tiny countries, Belgium and the Netherlands produce outstanding numbers of excellent footballers. For example there were more Belgians than English players in the Leicester City starting line up in our last PL game.
Their system is a much better one for youth development. Partly it is better youth coaching, but also it is a system that young players get match experience too.
Sure I read of a proposed league of 10 Dutch and 8 Belgian teams. Here it is.
A Benelux league not quite so daft, but adding in France?
The French league is only going to get more and more boring with PSG dominating. Action is needed, either equalise the finances so that Marseille, Lyons, Lille et al have chances or bring in Ajax, Feyenood, Anderlecht and PSV.
Someone needs to invest in one of the other Paris clubs, eg Red Star or Paris FC, produce a proper counterweight to the odious PSG.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
Absolutely. I’ve always thought that’s the answer. A British Isles league with Celtic and Rangers in the Prem
Maybe add Scandinavia to that
No way. Fans need to travel to away games. Respect national footballing traditions.
Glasgow is a darn sight closer to Newcastle than London is.
We sometimes tend to forget that the entire UK is, in any event, not terribly big in the grand scheme of things. Getting to London from Edinburgh or vice versa is a bit of a trek but it's not exactly New York to LA.
A big difference between Americans and the British is that they think 100 years is a long time and we think that 100 miles is a long distance.
Nah, it's dead. There's simply no way it survives without City and Chelsea who will both move to expel the other four from the EPL with the other 14 now which means Spurs will be forced into giving up.
The lasting result from this will be the slow exit of American investors from English football now that they know there is no chance of "reforming" it to suit their no relegation model they want to import from their homeland.
Where do the billions come from once they are gone? China?
What billions? Arsenal, Liverpool and Man United are all profitable clubs. Kroenke and Glazer are both a huge net drain on their clubs, it won't be long until FSG start taking dividends either.
In one decade FSG took over a club that was on the brink of bankruptcy with the banks calling in their loans, have managed to turn around the finances, rather clear the debts, turn around the fortunes on the field, win the league and build an impressive upgrade to Anfield's Main Stand.
If they start taking dividends I won't begrudge them a penny. They will quite frankly have deserved it - but unlike the Kroenkes and Glazers of the League, FSG seem to understand that the best way of improving their wealth is not to sweat their asset extracting whatever revenues they can - instead it is to improve and upgrade the club so its worth even more than it was. They've done a great job at that both on and off the field.
They've screwed up here, but its being reversed rapidly. So be it. When people don't reverse from mistakes is when its a bigger issue.
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
For tiny countries, Belgium and the Netherlands produce outstanding numbers of excellent footballers. For example there were more Belgians than English players in the Leicester City starting line up in our last PL game.
Their system is a much better one for youth development. Partly it is better youth coaching, but also it is a system that young players get match experience too.
Sure I read of a proposed league of 10 Dutch and 8 Belgian teams. Here it is.
A Benelux league not quite so daft, but adding in France?
The French league is only going to get more and more boring with PSG dominating. Action is needed, either equalise the finances so that Marseille, Lyons, Lille et al have chances or bring in Ajax, Feyenood, Anderlecht and PSV.
Boring? 5 games to play.
Lille 70 points PSG 69 Monaco 68 Lyon 67
That is only because Neymar is so bored of it he gets himself sent off to miss the games he isnt pretending to be injured for.
Amongst all the news, can we give some credit to Theresa May’s PR lady, who has shown it wasn’t just a one-off, by now repeating her amazing work, this time with Superleague.
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
The inside story of how the ESL was announced and unannounced will be fascinating....the only problem is now UEFA are even more powerful and we can all get excited for if your team will make the crucial 24th spot in order to qualify for the playoff of the CL.
Amongst all the news, can we give some credit to Theresa May’s PR lady, who has shown it wasn’t just a one-off, by now repeating her amazing work, this time with Superleague.
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
Hey, I agree with nearly all of this. Not sure where you were going with the cloning bit (have you seen Lionel Messi?) but you are absolutely correct that the game really doesn't have much further to fall and the fans are completely delusional if they think this means they suddenly matter again.
Michael Caley @MC_of_A according to Mundo Deportivo, the PL clubs have been offered capital investments from UEFA (presumably this is the big loan reported earlier) in exchange for withdrawing from the Super League
Michael Caley @MC_of_A according to Mundo Deportivo, the PL clubs have been offered capital investments from UEFA (presumably this is the big loan reported earlier) in exchange for withdrawing from the Super League
So not even principalled withdrawal....all about the money. I wonder if Barcelona get "investment" equal to the loan repayments they need to make shortly?
Maybe we will see this stupid CL plan get amended after all.
Amongst all the news, can we give some credit to Theresa May’s PR lady, who has shown it wasn’t just a one-off, by now repeating her amazing work, this time with Superleague.
Perhaps JPMorgan took advice from their advisor the football expert Tony Blair.
Michael Bociurkiw @WorldAffairsPro Russian President Putin to deliver speech to Russian federal assembly on Wed. According to one Russian-language site he will push for legal recognition of areas currently occupied by Russian-backed fighters. In past 2 years 650K+ Russia passports issued to Donbas residents
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
Much truth in that. The other is that the Champions League, whilst high technical quality is bloated, predictable and repetitive.
Michael Caley @MC_of_A according to Mundo Deportivo, the PL clubs have been offered capital investments from UEFA (presumably this is the big loan reported earlier) in exchange for withdrawing from the Super League
So not even principalled withdrawal....all about the money. I wonder if Barcelona get "investment" equal to the loan repayments they need to make shortly?
Maybe we will see this stupid CL plan get amended after all.
That doesn't make any sense as the PL clubs won't want capital investments - the owners wanted more money over a long period.
But given that paper's readership how f**ked are Barcelona and by extension Real Madrid by the failure of this league.
Remember Spanish football is now shown on FreeSport as neither Sky or BT thought it worth paying for...
The inside story of how the ESL was announced and unannounced will be fascinating....the only problem is now UEFA are even more powerful and we can all get excited for if your team will make the crucial 24th spot in order to qualify for the playoff of the CL.
I liked the analogy (I can't remember who made it) with a failed military coup - they didn't lock up the president, the didn't park their tanks in front of the government buildings, they didn't get to the TV station and take control of broadcasting.
They stuck out a flimsy statement in the dead of Sunday night and then did nothing else until they all pulled out. Baffling.
Amongst all the news, can we give some credit to Theresa May’s PR lady, who has shown it wasn’t just a one-off, by now repeating her amazing work, this time with Superleague.
We know you don't know much about this, but you do realise this lady also worked for Boris Johnson in the past including his mayoral campaigns?
In fact looking at her CV she's worked longer for Boris Johnson in various roles than she did for Mrs May.
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
I think there are fewer nil nil draws and one nil matches than previous generations. The technical expertise on display is far better too.
One thing that we could usefully re-learn from German football is cheap tickets and safe standing.
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
Much truth in that. The other is that the Champions League, whilst high technical quality is bloated, predictable and repetitive.
Problem is a knock out competition which is what supporters want (the business end of the competition) doesn't provide enough matches to generate serious TV money
Michael Bociurkiw @WorldAffairsPro Russian President Putin to deliver speech to Russian federal assembly on Wed. According to one Russian-language site he will push for legal recognition of areas currently occupied by Russian-backed fighters. In past 2 years 650K+ Russia passports issued to Donbas residents
Michael Caley @MC_of_A according to Mundo Deportivo, the PL clubs have been offered capital investments from UEFA (presumably this is the big loan reported earlier) in exchange for withdrawing from the Super League
So not even principalled withdrawal....all about the money. I wonder if Barcelona get "investment" equal to the loan repayments they need to make shortly?
Maybe we will see this stupid CL plan get amended after all.
It will be interesting to see the final package from Uefa. I suspect there will be a compromise solution in there, but I’m not sure. We’ll see.
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
Much truth in that. The other is that the Champions League, whilst high technical quality is bloated, predictable and repetitive.
It may be bloated but its like the FA Cup - its good that clubs from minor leagues across Europe have a chance (like non-league clubs in the FA Cup) to compete with the big boys from the big leagues.
Michael Caley @MC_of_A according to Mundo Deportivo, the PL clubs have been offered capital investments from UEFA (presumably this is the big loan reported earlier) in exchange for withdrawing from the Super League
So not even principalled withdrawal....all about the money. I wonder if Barcelona get "investment" equal to the loan repayments they need to make shortly?
Maybe we will see this stupid CL plan get amended after all.
That doesn't make any sense as the PL clubs won't want capital investments - the owners wanted more money over a long period.
But given that paper's readership how f**ked are Barcelona and by extension Real Madrid by the failure of this league.
Remember Spanish football is now shown on FreeSport as neither Sky or BT thought it worth paying for...
Sky used to push la liga really hard, back to back live games, in depth coverage, a lot more than just doing the low budget rebroadcast a stream that channels will do for cheap content e.g. various channels tried that with MLB over the years.
The inside story of how the ESL was announced and unannounced will be fascinating....the only problem is now UEFA are even more powerful and we can all get excited for if your team will make the crucial 24th spot in order to qualify for the playoff of the CL.
I still think this may be part of some sort of master plan, most of which we don't understand. I can't believe they're that stupid.
Early findings show that of 74,405 Covid-19 cases admitted to hospitals between September and March, just 32 had received a vaccine at least three weeks before.
Kaboom!
If this is anything like accurate then Government attempts to try to keep masks, impose vaxports and retain any other restrictions past the Summer will become even more difficult and unpopular. At that juncture the remaining vulnerable population will effectively consist only of unvaccinated adults, the overwhelming majority of whom will be stick-in-the-mud refusers. Any attempts to subject the population at large to any kind of nonsense just to save their arses will be met with the rejoinder "Let them die if they want to." We may finally see an end to the endless emergency after all.
I wonder what percentage of refusers we’ll end up with? It’s about 20% in Israel I believe.
5-10% is my guess for the UK
Refusal in Israel is about 14%, pretty much mathematically impossible for it to be 20%.
Michael Bociurkiw @WorldAffairsPro Russian President Putin to deliver speech to Russian federal assembly on Wed. According to one Russian-language site he will push for legal recognition of areas currently occupied by Russian-backed fighters. In past 2 years 650K+ Russia passports issued to Donbas residents
Russia is invading the Ukraine one way or another
Dynamo Kiev and Shakhtar would strengthen their league.
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
Much truth in that. The other is that the Champions League, whilst high technical quality is bloated, predictable and repetitive.
The EL even more so. The 8 third place CL teams should not go into the EL.
If they want to show more CL games, then stop scheduling them simultaneously.
Ukraine: There are rumours Putin's speech to the Russian parliament tomorrow will set another hare running.
Fans can knock on about greed all they like but a lot of them spend a tremendous amount of time talking about attracting overseas owners with tons of cash to waste & moan that the owners they do have don't spend enough.
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
Much truth in that. The other is that the Champions League, whilst high technical quality is bloated, predictable and repetitive.
It may be bloated but its like the FA Cup - its good that clubs from minor leagues across Europe have a chance (like non-league clubs in the FA Cup) to compete with the big boys from the big leagues.
Michael Bociurkiw @WorldAffairsPro Russian President Putin to deliver speech to Russian federal assembly on Wed. According to one Russian-language site he will push for legal recognition of areas currently occupied by Russian-backed fighters. In past 2 years 650K+ Russia passports issued to Donbas residents
Won’t happen, but I think relegating the six to the Championship for next season would be suitable punishment for all this angst.
Take the damn victory and move on.
100%. This is becoming beyond tedious. If it’s not attempting to revive an obviously dead proposal, it’s suggesting draconian punishments for thought crimes. As you say, it’s over.
Michael Bociurkiw @WorldAffairsPro Russian President Putin to deliver speech to Russian federal assembly on Wed. According to one Russian-language site he will push for legal recognition of areas currently occupied by Russian-backed fighters. In past 2 years 650K+ Russia passports issued to Donbas residents
Michael Bociurkiw @WorldAffairsPro Russian President Putin to deliver speech to Russian federal assembly on Wed. According to one Russian-language site he will push for legal recognition of areas currently occupied by Russian-backed fighters. In past 2 years 650K+ Russia passports issued to Donbas residents
Russia is invading the Ukraine one way or another
Agreed. It's starting to look inevitable.
Another hot war in Europe...
Not really - I think the plan is to build a solid route from Russia to the Crimea (Donbas) and for the moment to leave the rest alone.
Then issue passports to anyone who wants it in the bordering regions and do the same again.
Der Boris #Johnson bekommt das #impfen hin verhindert die #SuperLeague
Baut dem Mann ein Denkmal!
#NoToSuperLeague
**** Lots more like that
Yes, I expect the government to bask in some kind of glory on this. It does, from the outside, look as if the legislative and tax threats made a difference for the six English clubs. Boris saved football will become a meme.
One thing I have to say is while I'm glad he's been convicted of all counts, there's a part of me that does feel sorry for Chauvin.
He won't have intended to go to work and to kill someone. He did and he needs to be held to account for that, but its a horrible situation.
Also he surely must spend his sentence in protective isolation. Former Police Officers aren't generally safe in Gen Pop anyway, but there is no way whatsoever the killer of George Floyd can be safe in Gen Pop. He'd be shivved within a week.
Won’t happen, but I think relegating the six to the Championship for next season would be suitable punishment for all this angst.
Take the damn victory and move on.
100%. This is becoming beyond tedious. If it’s not attempting to revive an obviously dead proposal, it’s suggesting draconian punishments for thought crimes. As you say, it’s over.
It was an attempted coup. The penalty should be severe.
Won’t happen, but I think relegating the six to the Championship for next season would be suitable punishment for all this angst.
Take the damn victory and move on.
100%. This is becoming beyond tedious. If it’s not attempting to revive an obviously dead proposal, it’s suggesting draconian punishments for thought crimes. As you say, it’s over.
I disagree. They've brought the entire league into disrepute. There should be some form of punishment.
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Give it up FFS.
Blair was the youngest person to become PM, aged 43.
That's quite bearish on the time to next Labour Prime Minister.
Simon Stone
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Understand the remaining four English clubs will formally withdraw from Super League this evening.
All done.
A 2 day later it turns out the officer shot himself whilst drawing his gun.
The rest of the 12 clubs appear set to join them with Ed Woodward resigning as Manchester United's executive vice-chairman. "
Telegraph live blog
Don’t fuck with England and English Football. Huzzah
Maybe add Scandinavia to that
Their system is a much better one for youth development. Partly it is better youth coaching, but also it is a system that young players get match experience too.
In recent days, the club has received representations from various key stakeholders, both internally and externally, and we would like to thank them for their valuable contributions."
Hilarious statement.
Here it is.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/bene-league-belgium-dutch-football-clubs-b924537.html?amp
Fucking pathetic
An evening sat in our neighbours' garden drinking wine and watching the sun set over beautiful Dorset...
Then home to see that justice has prevailed in the Chauvin case...
And the ESL has collapsed ignominiously.
Positives all round.
https://twitter.com/_beccawright/status/1384579895884349443
https://twitter.com/akihheikkinen/status/1384594301947162628
Leicester would like 3 points of West Brom on Thursady. I expect that suits you too.
The European Super League has been suspended #mulive [@SkySport]
Lille 70 points
PSG 69
Monaco 68
Lyon 67
If they start taking dividends I won't begrudge them a penny. They will quite frankly have deserved it - but unlike the Kroenkes and Glazers of the League, FSG seem to understand that the best way of improving their wealth is not to sweat their asset extracting whatever revenues they can - instead it is to improve and upgrade the club so its worth even more than it was. They've done a great job at that both on and off the field.
They've screwed up here, but its being reversed rapidly. So be it. When people don't reverse from mistakes is when its a bigger issue.
🚨 AC Milan out of proposed European Super League @TheAthleticUK #ACMilan #europesuperleague #esl
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
@MC_of_A
according to Mundo Deportivo, the PL clubs have been offered capital investments from UEFA (presumably this is the big loan reported earlier) in exchange for withdrawing from the Super League
Maybe we will see this stupid CL plan get amended after all.
@WorldAffairsPro
Russian President Putin to deliver speech to Russian federal assembly on Wed. According to one Russian-language site he will push for legal recognition of areas currently occupied by Russian-backed fighters. In past 2 years 650K+ Russia passports issued to Donbas residents
The other is that the Champions League, whilst high technical quality is bloated, predictable and repetitive.
But given that paper's readership how f**ked are Barcelona and by extension Real Madrid by the failure of this league.
Remember Spanish football is now shown on FreeSport as neither Sky or BT thought it worth paying for...
Looks like Boris won it. Hope the Kop are in good voice...
They stuck out a flimsy statement in the dead of Sunday night and then did nothing else until they all pulled out. Baffling.
In fact looking at her CV she's worked longer for Boris Johnson in various roles than she did for Mrs May.
One thing that we could usefully re-learn from German football is cheap tickets and safe standing.
‘GOD BLESS BORIS’
https://twitter.com/hojbjergx/status/1384627647611875329?s=21
https://twitter.com/mufcnico/status/1384628210755899393?s=21
‘The Super League died the moment Boris said No’
https://twitter.com/nketsiah__/status/1384632601118494721?s=21
Der Boris #Johnson bekommt das #impfen hin verhindert die #SuperLeague
Baut dem Mann ein Denkmal!
#NoToSuperLeague
****
Lots more like that
Age structure
0–14 years 27.3% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
One dose, "our world in data" 61.89
Their own dashboard
https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general?utm_source=go.gov.il&utm_medium=referral
90+ 98.9%
80-89 95.6%
70-79 98.1%
60-69 89.7%
50-59 88.5%
40-49 83.9%
30-39 79.8%
20-29 75.5%
10-19 21.9%
Paediatric approval is needed for "the herd" in Israel.
Only when the six clubs confirmed their withdrawal was the matter officially over
You claim knowing it all along but that is hyperbole as it was the likeliest outcome but far from certain
If they want to show more CL games, then stop scheduling them simultaneously.
Fans can knock on about greed all they like but a lot of them spend a tremendous amount of time talking about attracting overseas owners with tons of cash to waste & moan that the owners they do have don't spend enough.
Another hot war in Europe...
Then issue passports to anyone who wants it in the bordering regions and do the same again.
He won't have intended to go to work and to kill someone. He did and he needs to be held to account for that, but its a horrible situation.
Also he surely must spend his sentence in protective isolation. Former Police Officers aren't generally safe in Gen Pop anyway, but there is no way whatsoever the killer of George Floyd can be safe in Gen Pop. He'd be shivved within a week.