Boris Johnson is the main culprit behind the demise of the Super League.’ [@elconfidencial]
🚨 | English Clubs are currently working under the pressure of Boris Johnson & currently the future of Super League depends on other clubs continuing the project.
Manchester City pulling OUT has not changed much currently. #ESL 🇪🇺
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
Much truth in that. The other is that the Champions League, whilst high technical quality is bloated, predictable and repetitive.
The EL even more so. The 8 third place CL teams should not go into the EL.
If they want to show more CL games, then stop scheduling them simultaneously.
See. The EL is bloated. But it isn't predictable or repetitive. Its groups often throw up surprises. You can't usually predict the two qualifiers. There are different teams in the last sixteen every year, even if Sevilla usually win it. No. The 8 shouldn't go into it.
Der Boris #Johnson bekommt das #impfen hin verhindert die #SuperLeague
Baut dem Mann ein Denkmal!
#NoToSuperLeague
**** Lots more like that
Yes, I expect the government to bask in some kind of glory on this. It does, from the outside, look as if the legislative and tax threats made a difference for the six English clubs. Boris saved football will become a meme.
Man Utd statement said that it had listened to fans, the UK government, and other key stakeholders
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
Much truth in that. The other is that the Champions League, whilst high technical quality is bloated, predictable and repetitive.
club belonging to fans and communities. 😆 the toy of a wealthy owner which is administered on his behalf by faceless functionaries.
People own football clubs or racehorses for a number of reasons but IMO it should always be done with surplus wealth, wealth you can afford to lose. The two main reasons for ownership are that either these are competitive people who have had success elsewhere and now want to pit their wits against others in a different field, or they are wealthy people who want to have a bit of fun and show off.
Ownership in the game no longer fits this business model.
there is a way to apply a business strategy in a high risk sports venture and you stand to get far more out of it if you put the work in and then are able to reap the rewards because it is so much more satisfying to have helped build something than just getting the credit card out and standing around waiting for people to admire you.
most fans are primarily concerned with the first team and its management, if you break down all the different components which make up the business you will see that there are an awful lot of them to which little attention is paid and so they are ripe for malaise.
pep came out against franchise idea “if it’s not competitive it’s not proper sport” but for months he had been flagging up the debt issue at these big clubs. The owners came up with a solution to this. If those who reject it don’t recognise there is a problem to solutionize, this could be quite the pyrrhic victory for fans of these big clubs.
Are you listening Big G 😆. Like I don’t know football.
Der Boris #Johnson bekommt das #impfen hin verhindert die #SuperLeague
Baut dem Mann ein Denkmal!
#NoToSuperLeague
**** Lots more like that
Yes, I expect the government to bask in some kind of glory on this. It does, from the outside, look as if the legislative and tax threats made a difference for the six English clubs. Boris saved football will become a meme.
Apparently Boris offered to change the law for the EPL so they COULD expel the Stupid Six, and that made quite a difference
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
Much truth in that. The other is that the Champions League, whilst high technical quality is bloated, predictable and repetitive.
The EL even more so. The 8 third place CL teams should not go into the EL.
If they want to show more CL games, then stop scheduling them simultaneously.
See. The EL is bloated. But it isn't predictable or repetitive. Its groups often throw up surprises. You can't usually predict the two qualifiers. There are different teams in the last sixteen every year, even if Sevilla usually win it. No. The 8 shouldn't go into it.
It isn't predictable because the good clubs end up in the CL. So the EL ends up with the drop outs.
100% the 8 shouldn't go into it. Its an absurd proposition that they do as some form of safety net. Though the EL without the 8 would probably be worth even less unfortunately - it would be like the FA Trophy relative to the CL as the FA Cup.
Der Boris #Johnson bekommt das #impfen hin verhindert die #SuperLeague
Baut dem Mann ein Denkmal!
#NoToSuperLeague
**** Lots more like that
Yes, I expect the government to bask in some kind of glory on this. It does, from the outside, look as if the legislative and tax threats made a difference for the six English clubs. Boris saved football will become a meme.
Man Utd statement said that it had listened to fans, the UK government, and other key stakeholders
Der Boris #Johnson bekommt das #impfen hin verhindert die #SuperLeague
Baut dem Mann ein Denkmal!
#NoToSuperLeague
**** Lots more like that
Yes, I expect the government to bask in some kind of glory on this. It does, from the outside, look as if the legislative and tax threats made a difference for the six English clubs. Boris saved football will become a meme.
Man Utd statement said that it had listened to fans, the UK government, and other key stakeholders
So yes, Boris played a huge part in this
And is in no way at all PR comms fluff
And yet the well-informed Spanish sports press are saying UK government pressure was crucial for the EPL clubs withdrawing. ie Boris
Won’t happen, but I think relegating the six to the Championship for next season would be suitable punishment for all this angst.
Take the damn victory and move on.
100%. This is becoming beyond tedious. If it’s not attempting to revive an obviously dead proposal, it’s suggesting draconian punishments for thought crimes. As you say, it’s over.
I disagree. They've brought the entire league into disrepute. There should be some form of punishment.
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
I’m pretty certain no English club could now join the Satan League
There would be riots outside the grounds. What are Liverpool thinking, dragging this out???
However it is possible there could be a continental superleague. Spain, Italy, some smaller countries?
Regional consolidation of leagues makes most sense for all involved. Just merge Spain and Portugal and you have a great league. Similarly add Dutch and Belgian clubs to the French league and it suddenly looks a whole lot better.
For tiny countries, Belgium and the Netherlands produce outstanding numbers of excellent footballers. For example there were more Belgians than English players in the Leicester City starting line up in our last PL game.
Their system is a much better one for youth development. Partly it is better youth coaching, but also it is a system that young players get match experience too.
Sure I read of a proposed league of 10 Dutch and 8 Belgian teams. Here it is.
A Benelux league not quite so daft, but adding in France?
The French league is only going to get more and more boring with PSG dominating. Action is needed, either equalise the finances so that Marseille, Lyons, Lille et al have chances or bring in Ajax, Feyenood, Anderlecht and PSV.
Boring? 5 games to play.
Lille 70 points PSG 69 Monaco 68 Lyon 67
I like it - it's a truly international league. We could learn from that
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest haven't actively tried to undermine the very foundations of English football.
Der Boris #Johnson bekommt das #impfen hin verhindert die #SuperLeague
Baut dem Mann ein Denkmal!
#NoToSuperLeague
**** Lots more like that
Yes, I expect the government to bask in some kind of glory on this. It does, from the outside, look as if the legislative and tax threats made a difference for the six English clubs. Boris saved football will become a meme.
Man Utd statement said that it had listened to fans, the UK government, and other key stakeholders
So yes, Boris played a huge part in this
And is in no way at all PR comms fluff
And yet the well-informed Spanish sports press are saying UK government pressure was crucial for the EPL clubs withdrawing. ie Boris
Apparently it was made clear at the summit that the government would use any means necessary to block the six clubs participation or failing that make it impossible for them to profit from it with windfall taxes and as an additional measure make them ineligible for new work permits.
That was a pretty gigantic stick and probably did make a difference.
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
Much truth in that. The other is that the Champions League, whilst high technical quality is bloated, predictable and repetitive.
club belonging to fans and communities. 😆 the toy of a wealthy owner which is administered on his behalf by faceless functionaries.
People own football clubs or racehorses for a number of reasons but IMO it should always be done with surplus wealth, wealth you can afford to lose. The two main reasons for ownership are that either these are competitive people who have had success elsewhere and now want to pit their wits against others in a different field, or they are wealthy people who want to have a bit of fun and show off.
Ownership in the game no longer fits this business model.
there is a way to apply a business strategy in a high risk sports venture and you stand to get far more out of it if you put the work in and then are able to reap the rewards because it is so much more satisfying to have helped build something than just getting the credit card out and standing around waiting for people to admire you.
most fans are primarily concerned with the first team and its management, if you break down all the different components which make up the business you will see that there are an awful lot of them to which little attention is paid and so they are ripe for malaise.
pep came out against franchise idea “if it’s not competitive it’s not proper sport” but for months he had been flagging up the debt issue at these big clubs. The owners came up with a solution to this. If those who reject it don’t recognise there is a problem to solutionize, this could be quite the pyrrhic victory for fans of these big clubs.
Are you listening Big G 😆. Like I don’t know football.
My track record in football
1954 - 1960 - attended all Berwick Rangers home games
1960 -1965 - season ticket with Hibs when starting work in Edinburgh
1965 to date - Man Utd supporter, season ticket holder, and slept on the Stretford end for cup final tickets
I stand by my 67 years actively supporting football and knowing its fans
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Making it up as we go along is what we do here. Are you new?
Lol, Barca are putting it to a fan vote and we know that means it's dead for them too. That leaves the two Madrid clubs, Inter and Juve. Potentially a champion's league group.
Won’t happen, but I think relegating the six to the Championship for next season would be suitable punishment for all this angst.
Take the damn victory and move on.
100%. This is becoming beyond tedious. If it’s not attempting to revive an obviously dead proposal, it’s suggesting draconian punishments for thought crimes. As you say, it’s over.
I disagree. They've brought the entire league into disrepute. There should be some form of punishment.
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
And it was fairly obvious from the off it would be defeated
It was easy to call but until tonight's declaration by the six clubs it was not off
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Lol, Barca are putting it to a fan vote and we know that means it's dead for them too. That leaves the two Madrid clubs, Inter and Juve. Potentially a champion's league group.
Gotta wonder how J P Morgan feel, paying £5bn for a league of 4 teams with a potential 9 TV viewers
Der Boris #Johnson bekommt das #impfen hin verhindert die #SuperLeague
Baut dem Mann ein Denkmal!
#NoToSuperLeague
**** Lots more like that
Yes, I expect the government to bask in some kind of glory on this. It does, from the outside, look as if the legislative and tax threats made a difference for the six English clubs. Boris saved football will become a meme.
Man Utd statement said that it had listened to fans, the UK government, and other key stakeholders
So yes, Boris played a huge part in this
And is in no way at all PR comms fluff
And yet the well-informed Spanish sports press are saying UK government pressure was crucial for the EPL clubs withdrawing. ie Boris
La Repubblica is giving the credit to Johnson and the article finishes by saying "yet again people have underestimated him".
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest haven't actively tried to undermine the very foundations of English football.
You are probably too young to remember the extreme controversy when the premier league was formed. Forest at least were a founder member. The difference is that the PL actually happened!
I’m not defending the Super League breakaway group, but extreme sanctions are ludicrous for a proposal that hasn’t been implemented, and which they have disowned.
No surprise and only what the CDU deserve after picking the hapless Laschet over Soder.
On that poll the Greens would be largest party and the FDP up to 12% but most likely it would be a Green-SPD-Linke government on 48% combined to just 33% combined for the CDU/CSU and FDP with the AfD on 11%
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Because the government really are going to regulate football anew, and you can be sure they will put in some law that prevents this ever happening again. Good, easy politics.
Lol, Barca are putting it to a fan vote and we know that means it's dead for them too. That leaves the two Madrid clubs, Inter and Juve. Potentially a champion's league group.
Gotta wonder how J P Morgan feel, paying £5bn for a league of 4 teams with a potential 9 TV viewers
They'll have to hope to draft random teams if they try and plough on. I don't see it though. I'm sure JP Morgan will find some way to make use of the £5bn.
Won’t happen, but I think relegating the six to the Championship for next season would be suitable punishment for all this angst.
Take the damn victory and move on.
100%. This is becoming beyond tedious. If it’s not attempting to revive an obviously dead proposal, it’s suggesting draconian punishments for thought crimes. As you say, it’s over.
I disagree. They've brought the entire league into disrepute. There should be some form of punishment.
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
And it was fairly obvious from the off it would be defeated
It was easy to call but until tonight's declaration by the six clubs it was not off
Aftertiming? Did you say that on Sunday? (Genuine question, you might have done but if you did I don’t remember it)
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest haven't actively tried to undermine the very foundations of English football.
You are probably too young to remember the extreme controversy when the premier league was formed. Forest at least were a founder member. The difference is that the PL actually happened!
I’m not defending the Super League breakaway group, but extreme sanctions are ludicrous for a proposal that hasn’t been implemented, and which they have disowned.
I'm not suggesting extreme sanctions. Just some sanctions.
No surprise and only what the CDU deserve after picking the hapless Laschet over Soder.
On that poll the Greens would be largest party and the FDP up to 12% but most likely it would be a Green-SPD-Linke government on 48% combined to just 33% combined for the CDU and FDP with the AfD on 11%
No one can form a government with the stasi, surely?
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
Won’t happen, but I think relegating the six to the Championship for next season would be suitable punishment for all this angst.
Take the damn victory and move on.
100%. This is becoming beyond tedious. If it’s not attempting to revive an obviously dead proposal, it’s suggesting draconian punishments for thought crimes. As you say, it’s over.
I disagree. They've brought the entire league into disrepute. There should be some form of punishment.
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
And it was fairly obvious from the off it would be defeated
It was easy to call but until tonight's declaration by the six clubs it was not off
Aftertiming? Did you say that on Sunday? (Genuine question, you might have done but if you did I don’t remember it)
I have cast doubt on it from the first announcement and expected it to fall but the timing and how was uncertain
However, from the moment Boris took them on and the fans outrage it looked sooner rather than later as so it has proved
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
Much truth in that. The other is that the Champions League, whilst high technical quality is bloated, predictable and repetitive.
club belonging to fans and communities. 😆 the toy of a wealthy owner which is administered on his behalf by faceless functionaries.
People own football clubs or racehorses for a number of reasons but IMO it should always be done with surplus wealth, wealth you can afford to lose. The two main reasons for ownership are that either these are competitive people who have had success elsewhere and now want to pit their wits against others in a different field, or they are wealthy people who want to have a bit of fun and show off.
Ownership in the game no longer fits this business model.
there is a way to apply a business strategy in a high risk sports venture and you stand to get far more out of it if you put the work in and then are able to reap the rewards because it is so much more satisfying to have helped build something than just getting the credit card out and standing around waiting for people to admire you.
most fans are primarily concerned with the first team and its management, if you break down all the different components which make up the business you will see that there are an awful lot of them to which little attention is paid and so they are ripe for malaise.
pep came out against franchise idea “if it’s not competitive it’s not proper sport” but for months he had been flagging up the debt issue at these big clubs. The owners came up with a solution to this. If those who reject it don’t recognise there is a problem to solutionize, this could be quite the pyrrhic victory for fans of these big clubs.
Are you listening Big G 😆. Like I don’t know football.
My track record in football
1954 - 1960 - attended all Berwick Rangers home games
1960 -1965 - season ticket with Hibs when starting work in Edinburgh
1965 to date - Man Utd supporter, season ticket holder, and slept on the Stretford end for cup final tickets
I stand by my 67 years actively supporting football and knowing its fans
You have rejected the solution to the debt problem at your club. Do you have another solution?
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
Much truth in that. The other is that the Champions League, whilst high technical quality is bloated, predictable and repetitive.
club belonging to fans and communities. 😆 the toy of a wealthy owner which is administered on his behalf by faceless functionaries.
People own football clubs or racehorses for a number of reasons but IMO it should always be done with surplus wealth, wealth you can afford to lose. The two main reasons for ownership are that either these are competitive people who have had success elsewhere and now want to pit their wits against others in a different field, or they are wealthy people who want to have a bit of fun and show off.
Ownership in the game no longer fits this business model.
there is a way to apply a business strategy in a high risk sports venture and you stand to get far more out of it if you put the work in and then are able to reap the rewards because it is so much more satisfying to have helped build something than just getting the credit card out and standing around waiting for people to admire you.
most fans are primarily concerned with the first team and its management, if you break down all the different components which make up the business you will see that there are an awful lot of them to which little attention is paid and so they are ripe for malaise.
pep came out against franchise idea “if it’s not competitive it’s not proper sport” but for months he had been flagging up the debt issue at these big clubs. The owners came up with a solution to this. If those who reject it don’t recognise there is a problem to solutionize, this could be quite the pyrrhic victory for fans of these big clubs.
Are you listening Big G 😆. Like I don’t know football.
My track record in football
1954 - 1960 - attended all Berwick Rangers home games
1960 -1965 - season ticket with Hibs when starting work in Edinburgh
1965 to date - Man Utd supporter, season ticket holder, and slept on the Stretford end for cup final tickets
I stand by my 67 years actively supporting football and knowing its fans
You have rejected the solution to the debt problem at your club. Do you have another solution?
It was not a solution - it was greed and elitism that any fan would reject
And it would have destroyed the Premier League and football across the UK including in Scotland and Wales
And I really do not care about the Glaziers debt when the club is worth a billion or more
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest haven't actively tried to undermine the very foundations of English football.
You are probably too young to remember the extreme controversy when the premier league was formed. Forest at least were a founder member. The difference is that the PL actually happened!
I’m not defending the Super League breakaway group, but extreme sanctions are ludicrous for a proposal that hasn’t been implemented, and which they have disowned.
I'm not suggesting extreme sanctions. Just some sanctions.
Either a big enough points deduction to ensure none of them can win the league or, better still, a three year ban from European competition.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
You may not even think about doing anything else or you will be punished.
No surprise and only what the CDU deserve after picking the hapless Laschet over Soder.
On that poll the Greens would be largest party and the FDP up to 12% but most likely it would be a Green-SPD-Linke government on 48% combined to just 33% combined for the CDU and FDP with the AfD on 11%
No one can form a government with the stasi, surely?
The Stasi generation has moved on - Die Linke is now fairly conventional, somewhat more centrist than many left-wing parties, with a good record in responsible state-level government.
Note though that there was a relatively boring INSA poll on the same day with a CDU lead:
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest haven't actively tried to undermine the very foundations of English football.
You are probably too young to remember the extreme controversy when the premier league was formed. Forest at least were a founder member. The difference is that the PL actually happened!
I’m not defending the Super League breakaway group, but extreme sanctions are ludicrous for a proposal that hasn’t been implemented, and which they have disowned.
I'm not suggesting extreme sanctions. Just some sanctions.
Either a big enough points deduction to ensure none of them can win the league or, better still, a three year ban from European competition.
Except that the President of UEFA has already welcomed back the clubs - and quite right too, when you want people to come back to you then providing an off ramp to let them do so makes sense.
Had a ball been kicked in the Super League it may be different, but there wasn't.
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest haven't actively tried to undermine the very foundations of English football.
You are probably too young to remember the extreme controversy when the premier league was formed. Forest at least were a founder member. The difference is that the PL actually happened!
I’m not defending the Super League breakaway group, but extreme sanctions are ludicrous for a proposal that hasn’t been implemented, and which they have disowned.
I'm not suggesting extreme sanctions. Just some sanctions.
Either a big enough points deduction to ensure none of them can win the league or, better still, a three year ban from European competition.
Except that the President of UEFA has already welcomed back the clubs - and quite right too, when you want people to come back to you then providing an off ramp to let them do so makes sense.
Had a ball been kicked in the Super League it may be different, but there wasn't.
Apply the rules and move on.
You would say that because you're a Liverpool fan.
12 of the biggest clubs in Europe choosing to compete together in a 22 game season played midweek around their domestic and international commitments, instead of entering the UEFA midweek competitions. Has there not been some degree of hyperbole against it?
Only someone with little knowledge of football and its followers would make such a comment
🙂
Football is changing anyway, in far worse ways than this without anyone kicking up a fuss.
The players are now cloned in factories, every single one exactly the same, no waist, broad shouldered. Their brains have been programmed by scientists. As result the game is no longer beautiful, it’s more than often sterile, frustrating stalemate, two sides scrapping over slim differentials that’s mostly getting someone booked, or diving. And interest in it is drifting away at an alarming rate because of the way it has changed.
There can be no sane comment about protecting the beautifully game, without admitting it no longer is. Another truth missing from the orgy of moralising hyperbole, what drove super league sign up wasn’t greed, but issues with debt.
Much truth in that. The other is that the Champions League, whilst high technical quality is bloated, predictable and repetitive.
club belonging to fans and communities. 😆 the toy of a wealthy owner which is administered on his behalf by faceless functionaries.
People own football clubs or racehorses for a number of reasons but IMO it should always be done with surplus wealth, wealth you can afford to lose. The two main reasons for ownership are that either these are competitive people who have had success elsewhere and now want to pit their wits against others in a different field, or they are wealthy people who want to have a bit of fun and show off.
Ownership in the game no longer fits this business model.
there is a way to apply a business strategy in a high risk sports venture and you stand to get far more out of it if you put the work in and then are able to reap the rewards because it is so much more satisfying to have helped build something than just getting the credit card out and standing around waiting for people to admire you.
most fans are primarily concerned with the first team and its management, if you break down all the different components which make up the business you will see that there are an awful lot of them to which little attention is paid and so they are ripe for malaise.
pep came out against franchise idea “if it’s not competitive it’s not proper sport” but for months he had been flagging up the debt issue at these big clubs. The owners came up with a solution to this. If those who reject it don’t recognise there is a problem to solutionize, this could be quite the pyrrhic victory for fans of these big clubs.
Are you listening Big G 😆. Like I don’t know football.
My track record in football
1954 - 1960 - attended all Berwick Rangers home games
1960 -1965 - season ticket with Hibs when starting work in Edinburgh
1965 to date - Man Utd supporter, season ticket holder, and slept on the Stretford end for cup final tickets
I stand by my 67 years actively supporting football and knowing its fans
You have rejected the solution to the debt problem at your club. Do you have another solution?
It was not a solution - it was greed and elitism that any fan would reject
And it would have destroyed the Premier League and football across the UK including in Scotland and Wales
And I really do not care about the Glaziers debt when the club is worth a billion or more
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest haven't actively tried to undermine the very foundations of English football.
You are probably too young to remember the extreme controversy when the premier league was formed. Forest at least were a founder member. The difference is that the PL actually happened!
I’m not defending the Super League breakaway group, but extreme sanctions are ludicrous for a proposal that hasn’t been implemented, and which they have disowned.
I'm not suggesting extreme sanctions. Just some sanctions.
Either a big enough points deduction to ensure none of them can win the league or, better still, a three year ban from European competition.
Except that the President of UEFA has already welcomed back the clubs - and quite right too, when you want people to come back to you then providing an off ramp to let them do so makes sense.
Had a ball been kicked in the Super League it may be different, but there wasn't.
Apply the rules and move on.
You would say that because you're a Liverpool fan.
I'm a football fan first and foremost. I opposed the Super League unequivocally..
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest haven't actively tried to undermine the very foundations of English football.
You are probably too young to remember the extreme controversy when the premier league was formed. Forest at least were a founder member. The difference is that the PL actually happened!
I’m not defending the Super League breakaway group, but extreme sanctions are ludicrous for a proposal that hasn’t been implemented, and which they have disowned.
I'm not suggesting extreme sanctions. Just some sanctions.
Either a big enough points deduction to ensure none of them can win the league or, better still, a three year ban from European competition.
Except that the President of UEFA has already welcomed back the clubs - and quite right too, when you want people to come back to you then providing an off ramp to let them do so makes sense.
Had a ball been kicked in the Super League it may be different, but there wasn't.
Apply the rules and move on.
You would say that because you're a Liverpool fan.
I'm a football fan first and foremost. I opposed the Super League unequivocally..
I didn't want a schism in football.
No, you don't want Liverpool to be punished because it will mean less revenue.
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest haven't actively tried to undermine the very foundations of English football.
You are probably too young to remember the extreme controversy when the premier league was formed. Forest at least were a founder member. The difference is that the PL actually happened!
I’m not defending the Super League breakaway group, but extreme sanctions are ludicrous for a proposal that hasn’t been implemented, and which they have disowned.
I'm not suggesting extreme sanctions. Just some sanctions.
Either a big enough points deduction to ensure none of them can win the league or, better still, a three year ban from European competition.
Except that the President of UEFA has already welcomed back the clubs - and quite right too, when you want people to come back to you then providing an off ramp to let them do so makes sense.
Had a ball been kicked in the Super League it may be different, but there wasn't.
Apply the rules and move on.
You would say that because you're a Liverpool fan.
I'm a football fan first and foremost. I opposed the Super League unequivocally..
They made a (admittedly crap) proposal and they pulled out. It was a bargain that went wonky. I mean, are we going to sanction every club that has done something some people don’t like? Why not relegate Newcastle for having retail slasher Mike Ashley as chairman for example? Or demote Forest to National League 24 for having a wayward shipping magnate at the helm?
Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest haven't actively tried to undermine the very foundations of English football.
You are probably too young to remember the extreme controversy when the premier league was formed. Forest at least were a founder member. The difference is that the PL actually happened!
I’m not defending the Super League breakaway group, but extreme sanctions are ludicrous for a proposal that hasn’t been implemented, and which they have disowned.
I'm not suggesting extreme sanctions. Just some sanctions.
Either a big enough points deduction to ensure none of them can win the league or, better still, a three year ban from European competition.
Except that the President of UEFA has already welcomed back the clubs - and quite right too, when you want people to come back to you then providing an off ramp to let them do so makes sense.
Had a ball been kicked in the Super League it may be different, but there wasn't.
Apply the rules and move on.
You would say that because you're a Liverpool fan.
I'm a football fan first and foremost. I opposed the Super League unequivocally..
I didn't want a schism in football.
No, you don't want Liverpool to be punished because it will mean less revenue.
If Liverpool broke a rule that deserves a point deduction that rule should be applied.
Rule L9 in the Premier League states clubs CANNOT enter into any agreement without any proper notification to the PL.
So they contravened a rule before falling flat on their faces and deserve a suitable punishment. Their lawyers will of course argue that by just signing the contract and not playing in the super league no rules were broken.
No surprise and only what the CDU deserve after picking the hapless Laschet over Soder.
On that poll the Greens would be largest party and the FDP up to 12% but most likely it would be a Green-SPD-Linke government on 48% combined to just 33% combined for the CDU and FDP with the AfD on 11%
No one can form a government with the stasi, surely?
HYUFD's only concept of coalition building is all on the Left or all on the Right. However that is the current governing coalition in Bremen, Berlin and Thuringia. I find it unlikely myself. Mostly cos the SPD desperately needs not to be a junior partner in coalition again.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
So proposing working with another league is not acting in good faith?
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
Which has ultimately been done, the scheme never came to reality.
But what point penalty is specifically associated with that rule? Points penalties aren't like candy that you can just hand out at will, they're defined.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
So proposing working with another league is not acting in good faith?
Of course it is. They've clearly devalued the Premier League TV rights, even if the league doesn't go ahead, and they've actively conspired to devalue the League as a sporting institution.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
So proposing working with another league is not acting in good faith?
Proposing and dropping the proposal within 48 hours.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
So proposing working with another league is not acting in good faith?
Starting to sound like they broke a few rules! Poor big 6 eh!
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
Look at Wigan last year for an unjust points deduction and relegation. Letter of the law. A small points deduction for next season, coupled with a massive suspended points deduction/relegation might prevent a repeat.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
Which has ultimately been done, the scheme never came to reality.
But what point penalty is specifically associated with that rule? Points penalties aren't like candy that you can just hand out at will, they're defined.
The rules aren't clear to me, but it appears at first glance that the board have discretion to give out penalties.
Regardless I haven't proposed a points deduction, I merely have a personal opinion that there should be some sanction.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
So proposing working with another league is not acting in good faith?
Proposing and dropping the proposal within 48 hours.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
So proposing working with another league is not acting in good faith?
Starting to sound like they broke a few rules! Poor big 6 eh!
If they have then enforce the rules and the sanctions associated with those rules.
But if there's no sanctions associated with those rules, or they've not been broken, then that's that.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
So proposing working with another league is not acting in good faith?
Of course it is. They've clearly devalued the Premier League TV rights, even if the league doesn't go ahead, and they've actively conspired to devalue the League as a sporting institution.
Hmmm. There's a lot of wishful thinking there.
Personally, I think they've managed to massively disadvantage clubs relative to the league, because the threat of leaving has just been proved to be an empty one.
The league is strengthened, and the clubs hands' weakened.
No surprise and only what the CDU deserve after picking the hapless Laschet over Soder.
On that poll the Greens would be largest party and the FDP up to 12% but most likely it would be a Green-SPD-Linke government on 48% combined to just 33% combined for the CDU and FDP with the AfD on 11%
No one can form a government with the stasi, surely?
The Stasi generation has moved on - Die Linke is now fairly conventional, somewhat more centrist than many left-wing parties, with a good record in responsible state-level government.
Note though that there was a relatively boring INSA poll on the same day with a CDU lead:
"Europe's elite suffer sport's most astounding humiliation - and wounds will take a long time to heal The European Super League plan blew up in an extraordinary day, leaving the sport more divided than ever... but still intact"
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
So proposing working with another league is not acting in good faith?
Proposing and dropping the proposal within 48 hours.
You continue to demonstrate "big 6" arrogance.
Its not arrogance to be glad the proposal was dropped within 48 hours. Most fans around the country are regardless of which club they support.
You seem to have an extreme level of jealousy and vendetta that goes above and beyond seeing the proposal axed and football as we know it preserved.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
So proposing working with another league is not acting in good faith?
Proposing and dropping the proposal within 48 hours.
You continue to demonstrate "big 6" arrogance.
Its not arrogance to be glad the proposal was dropped within 48 hours. Most fans around the country are regardless of which club they support.
You seem to have an extreme level of jealousy and vendetta that goes above and beyond seeing the proposal axed and football as we know it preserved.
No, I just believe in fair play. Conspiring to ruin English football, dropping it because of a backlash, and then carrying on like nothing has happened isn't fair play. It's b*llocks.
Rule L9 in the Premier League states clubs CANNOT enter into any agreement without any proper notification to the PL.
So they contravened a rule before falling flat on their faces and deserve a suitable punishment. Their lawyers will of course argue that by just signing the contract and not playing in the super league no rules were broken.
Mmm. Signing a contract seems to be the very definition of "entering into an agreement " to my non-learned eye.
If Barca go that leaves Real. Atletico and Juve. Three teams. That’s going to be awkward on match day. An odd number. Maybe they could have all three teams on the pitch, three goals, and three halves lasting 17 seconds each
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
So proposing working with another league is not acting in good faith?
Proposing and dropping the proposal within 48 hours.
You continue to demonstrate "big 6" arrogance.
Its not arrogance to be glad the proposal was dropped within 48 hours. Most fans around the country are regardless of which club they support.
You seem to have an extreme level of jealousy and vendetta that goes above and beyond seeing the proposal axed and football as we know it preserved.
No, I just believe in fair play. Conspiring to ruin English football, dropping it because of a backlash, and then carrying on like nothing has happened isn't fair play. It's b*llocks.
It was dropped. Thoughtcrime isn't a crime. No action was taken.
The owners of the clubs have been absolutely humiliated. Woodward has lost his job. That's what is appropriate here.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
So proposing working with another league is not acting in good faith?
Proposing and dropping the proposal within 48 hours.
You continue to demonstrate "big 6" arrogance.
Its not arrogance to be glad the proposal was dropped within 48 hours. Most fans around the country are regardless of which club they support.
You seem to have an extreme level of jealousy and vendetta that goes above and beyond seeing the proposal axed and football as we know it preserved.
No, I just believe in fair play. Conspiring to ruin English football, dropping it because of a backlash, and then carrying on like nothing has happened isn't fair play. It's b*llocks.
It was dropped. Thoughtcrime isn't a crime. No action was taken.
The owners of the clubs have been absolutely humiliated. Woodward has lost his job. That's what is appropriate here.
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
So proposing working with another league is not acting in good faith?
Starting to sound like they broke a few rules! Poor big 6 eh!
If they have then enforce the rules and the sanctions associated with those rules.
But if there's no sanctions associated with those rules, or they've not been broken, then that's that.
I can honestly say I don’t believe you’re a football fan. You’re completely blinkered by your love of Liverpool and seem the type who would happily go along with the super league if the uproar wasn’t there.
How anyone can suggest after contravening numerous rules we should allow these clubs back with open arms and without a severe punishment beggars belief. My team was kicked out the cup last season for an incorrect submission of paperwork!
I’m sure with your £80m players and global fanbase you can cope with a one off 30 point deduction and few million fine. These huge global brands have clearly got a lot of supporters with ethics that match the owners!
You’d think the big 6 clubs would be in line for a significant points deduction now. Unless the league bottles it. I just find it hard to comprehend that the fans will just forget this and go back to supporting them as normal, but they probably will and the same thing will happen again in a few years.
On what grounds would there be a points deduction?
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
Well they’ve brought the game into disrepute, on a scale not seen in a generation. If the EFL have given a points deduction to Sheffield Wednesday then the big 6 will be lucky to not be relegated. They’ve proven to be crooked clubs with zero integrity and anyone who thinks they should go without severe punishment is either a blinkered big 6 fan or has no real care about the future of the game.
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
Sheffield Wednesday broke the financial rules which have a points penalty attached.
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
Rely on fans of those clubs? No thanks. Middlesbrough received a points deduction for calling off a game due to injuries. Protocol means it can be voted on and the league will well be within their rights to deduct points or ban them from Europe.
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
How about rely upon the rules?
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
Oh there’s a rule for everything. Points deductions were even on the table for flouting covid laws. I think most fair minded fans can agree a tough punishment is befitting the behaviour of this week, but given the haves and have nots within the league I can’t say with any confidence it will happen.
What rule, specifically, did they break?
B.15 In all matters and transactions relating to the League, each Club shall behave towards each other Club and the League with utmost good faith.
So proposing working with another league is not acting in good faith?
Proposing and dropping the proposal within 48 hours.
You continue to demonstrate "big 6" arrogance.
Its not arrogance to be glad the proposal was dropped within 48 hours. Most fans around the country are regardless of which club they support.
You seem to have an extreme level of jealousy and vendetta that goes above and beyond seeing the proposal axed and football as we know it preserved.
No, I just believe in fair play. Conspiring to ruin English football, dropping it because of a backlash, and then carrying on like nothing has happened isn't fair play. It's b*llocks.
It was dropped. Thoughtcrime isn't a crime. No action was taken.
The owners of the clubs have been absolutely humiliated. Woodward has lost his job. That's what is appropriate here.
"No action was taken".
Just listen to yourself man. This is hilarious.
No you just listen to yourself, you sound deranged.
The plan was defeated, football won. Celebrate that and move on. There's no need to be bitter, twisted and hatefilled seeking a vendetta that goes beyond what is justified - this blew up in the face of those who proposed it without it ever coming into being. Your being a twisted wretch isn't a pretty look.
No surprise and only what the CDU deserve after picking the hapless Laschet over Soder.
On that poll the Greens would be largest party and the FDP up to 12% but most likely it would be a Green-SPD-Linke government on 48% combined to just 33% combined for the CDU and FDP with the AfD on 11%
No one can form a government with the stasi, surely?
HYUFD's only concept of coalition building is all on the Left or all on the Right. However that is the current governing coalition in Bremen, Berlin and Thuringia. I find it unlikely myself. Mostly cos the SPD desperately needs not to be a junior partner in coalition again.
I find it hard to believe German electorate buys into the Greens manifesto and it’s costs, when push comes to shove.
What I think is driving it is reflection on Merkel and her party presiding over decline and failures, economically, in nations stature, some huge wrong calls on refugees and covid. And German electorate didn’t say good riddance to UK when we left the EU.
I suppose the last few days of threads, with their mono-obsession with a subject that is of less than passing interest to me, is excellent news. It means that the COVID situation is sufficiently going in the right direction that minds are wandering to the trivial.
If Barca go that leaves Real. Atletico and Juve. Three teams. That’s going to be awkward on match day. An odd number. Maybe they could have all three teams on the pitch, three goals, and three halves lasting 17 seconds each
That will attract the younger crowd
Unless this was a negotiating 4-D chess move (as beloved by Cummings) these PR/accounts types have just shit their own beds with a double-humped mammoth bowel movement.
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https://twitter.com/pubitysportig/status/1384617074740416513?s=21
Boris Johnson is the main culprit behind the demise of the Super League.’ [@elconfidencial]
🚨 | English Clubs are currently working under the pressure of Boris Johnson & currently the future of Super League depends on other clubs continuing the project.
Manchester City pulling OUT has not changed much currently. #ESL 🇪🇺
https://twitter.com/blancoreport/status/1384621850630758403?s=21
Its groups often throw up surprises. You can't usually predict the two qualifiers. There are different teams in the last sixteen every year, even if Sevilla usually win it.
No. The 8 shouldn't go into it.
49% of Northern Irish voters want to stay in the UK, 43% want Irish unity
https://twitter.com/SuzyJourno/status/1384634966168985602?s=20
So yes, Boris played a huge part in this
the toy of a wealthy owner which is administered on his behalf by faceless functionaries.
People own football clubs or racehorses for a number of reasons but IMO it should always be done with surplus wealth, wealth you can afford to lose. The two main reasons for ownership are that either these are competitive people who have had success elsewhere and now want to pit their wits against others in a different field, or they are wealthy people who want to have a bit of fun and show off.
Ownership in the game no longer fits this business model.
there is a way to apply a business strategy in a high risk sports venture and you stand to get far more out of it if you put the work in and then are able to reap the rewards because it is so much more satisfying to have helped build something than just getting the credit card out and standing around waiting for people to admire you.
most fans are primarily concerned with the first team and its management, if you break down all the different components which make up the business you will see that there are an awful lot of them to which little attention is paid and so they are ripe for malaise.
pep came out against franchise idea “if it’s not competitive it’s not proper sport” but for months he had been flagging up the debt issue at these big clubs.
The owners came up with a solution to this. If those who reject it don’t recognise there is a problem to solutionize, this could be quite the pyrrhic victory for fans of these big clubs.
Are you listening Big G 😆. Like I don’t know football.
Maybe Boris DID save football
100% the 8 shouldn't go into it. Its an absurd proposition that they do as some form of safety net. Though the EL without the 8 would probably be worth even less unfortunately - it would be like the FA Trophy relative to the CL as the FA Cup.
Embarrassing.
That was a pretty gigantic stick and probably did make a difference.
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I stand by my 67 years actively supporting football and knowing its fans
https://twitter.com/absolutechelsea/status/1384640038089236481?s=21
The survivors of the Super League will announce that the competition will continue without the English clubs.
[via @ellarguero]
Its a terrible idea that has been dropped, but is there any actual rule that carries points deductions as a penalty that they have broken?
Or are you just making it up as you go along?
4 teams. Imagine the exciting fixture list
He’s basically Jesus now. Best accept it
It was easy to call but until tonight's declaration by the six clubs it was not off
If there isn’t a deterrent whats to stop these rats trying it again next year?
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
https://www.repubblica.it/sport/calcio/esteri/2021/04/20/news/crepe_club_inglesi-297257446/
There is no prescribed points penalty for what the clubs did now. Maybe there should be in the future, but there isn't. There wasn't for a long time for financial irregularities and it was put in to prevent them (but they still happen).
As for what's to stop them trying it again next year - the fan backlash. Once bitten, twice shy.
I’m not defending the Super League breakaway group, but extreme sanctions are ludicrous for a proposal that hasn’t been implemented, and which they have disowned.
On that poll the Greens would be largest party and the FDP up to 12% but most likely it would be a Green-SPD-Linke government on 48% combined to just 33% combined for the CDU/CSU and FDP with the AfD on 11%
‘Superleague’
It’s the arrogance of some of the big 6 fans that puts people off “oh they shouldn’t be punished, our clubs made a mistake but we’re back now to save the league from the unglamorous midtable clashes”. I honestly think some armchair Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal fans live on a different planet where football just revolves around them.
Even the polling that came out yesterday suggests the majority of big 6 fans expect a severe punishment for trying to join the league. An embarrassing u turn won’t be forgotten by the other 86 IMO.
However, from the moment Boris took them on and the fans outrage it looked sooner rather than later as so it has proved
If there is a rule that carries a points deduction that applies here then that could be fair enough. If there is not then there is simply no legal reason to apply a points deduction and if done it would be overturned by the CAS.
You can't apply a points deduction without a rule to do so.
And it would have destroyed the Premier League and football across the UK including in Scotland and Wales
And I really do not care about the Glaziers debt when the club is worth a billion or more
Definitely the Democrats nominee in 2024 - nailed on.
Note though that there was a relatively boring INSA poll on the same day with a CDU lead:
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
I'd wait a couple of weeks for it to settle down.
Had a ball been kicked in the Super League it may be different, but there wasn't.
Apply the rules and move on.
I wonder across Europe which more people will talk about tomorrow. Probably the footy.
It was a bad idea, that was fortunately stopped.
I didn't want a schism in football.
So they contravened a rule before falling flat on their faces and deserve a suitable punishment. Their lawyers will of course argue that by just signing the contract and not playing in the super league no rules were broken.
However that is the current governing coalition in Bremen, Berlin and Thuringia.
I find it unlikely myself. Mostly cos the SPD desperately needs not to be a junior partner in coalition again.
But what point penalty is specifically associated with that rule? Points penalties aren't like candy that you can just hand out at will, they're defined.
A small points deduction for next season, coupled with a massive suspended points deduction/relegation might prevent a repeat.
Regardless I haven't proposed a points deduction, I merely have a personal opinion that there should be some sanction.
But if there's no sanctions associated with those rules, or they've not been broken, then that's that.
Personally, I think they've managed to massively disadvantage clubs relative to the league, because the threat of leaving has just been proved to be an empty one.
The league is strengthened, and the clubs hands' weakened.
Then why don’t they leave Stasi and join the SPD or Greens?
The European Super League plan blew up in an extraordinary day, leaving the sport more divided than ever... but still intact"
Telegraph live blog
You seem to have an extreme level of jealousy and vendetta that goes above and beyond seeing the proposal axed and football as we know it preserved.
Signing a contract seems to be the very definition of "entering into an agreement " to my non-learned eye.
Breaking: Inter Milan are preparing to announce they no longer want any part of the European Super League.
[via @tariqpanja]
If Barca go that leaves Real. Atletico and Juve. Three teams. That’s going to be awkward on match day. An odd number. Maybe they could have all three teams on the pitch, three goals, and three halves lasting 17 seconds each
That will attract the younger crowd
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Was the European Super League an apprentice task?
The owners of the clubs have been absolutely humiliated. Woodward has lost his job. That's what is appropriate here.
Just listen to yourself man. This is hilarious.
How anyone can suggest after contravening numerous rules we should allow these clubs back with open arms and without a severe punishment beggars belief. My team was kicked out the cup last season for an incorrect submission of paperwork!
I’m sure with your £80m players and global fanbase you can cope with a one off 30 point deduction and few million fine. These huge global brands have clearly got a lot of supporters with ethics that match the owners!
The plan was defeated, football won. Celebrate that and move on. There's no need to be bitter, twisted and hatefilled seeking a vendetta that goes beyond what is justified - this blew up in the face of those who proposed it without it ever coming into being. Your being a twisted wretch isn't a pretty look.
What I think is driving it is reflection on Merkel and her party presiding over decline and failures, economically, in nations stature, some huge wrong calls on refugees and covid. And German electorate didn’t say good riddance to UK when we left the EU.