Like people actually believe something Johnson promises or sets as a target.
Shall we have a sweep on here for the actual number by Feb 14th?
I expect we'll be doing <2 million this week and next couple of weeks, with lots of media hysteria, but >2 million by the end of the month and closer to 3 million by middle of February.
2 million should be a staging post not a target. The more the better.
Oh god. The media are solely going to be focusing on the number, aren't they. Without any regard as to whether they are being used effectively. Testing all over again.
Not necessarily a bad thing in the circumstances actually.
Better to set a target of 14 million by 14 February, than 2 million per week by then; it means any let up early on is pressured to be caught up later on - and increasing capacity and delivery over and above 2 million per week is so much the better.
In contrast the French have set a target of 1 million by 31 January.
Note the wriggle room in the wording of our target - which is that people will have been offered the vaccine by mid February, not necessarily actually had it. If the programme is running late they can claim a technical achievement simply by offering slots days or weeks in advance.
That's not going to wash with the media.
If someone refuses it we should move swiftly on to the next person. We can't hang around for people to think about it.
They are already over offering. An elderly lady here was offered a slot and by the time she phoned back, they had all gone. She was told to wait another week or two.
Did the fucker almost corpse up halfway through that ? Would explain the deeply phoney effort at serious-face at the end.
Is language like that really necessary? It really lowers the level of discourse.
He is a fucker. Figuratively and literally. You may will be willing to excuse him screwing this up every single time, we aren't.
You did not vote Tory last year when Boris got a Tory majority of 80 to be PM. Your opinion is therefore irrelevant, whatever he does you will despise him however he has a mandate regardless and is taking the appropriate measures on the lockdown and the vaccinations
You don´t get it do you HYFUD? In one year Johnson has become a hate figure like no other PM in my lifetime, including Margaret Thatcher. She was disliked but respected as competent (all too competent in fact). Johnson is a PR bullshitter. Johnson is personally responsible for Brexit like no other figure. His vacuous indecisiveness is the major problem in the Covid crisis. He leads a cabinet of utter nonentities that he has personally chosen. His personal life is a mess... and spraying bastards around is not the sign of mature man, still less a leader. He is loathed as a man and as a political figure. I confidently predict that he will reach negative polling numbers never seen by any PM in modern times and even you will be talking about that perennial Tory self indulgence, yet another leadership challenge. The country has already had enough. Another balls up, another dose of sleaze and people will be putting bricks in Tory windows.
'A hate figure like no other PM in my lifetime, including Margaret Thatcher.'
For you leftwingers of course because Boris crushed you last year with the biggest majority any Tory leader has achieved since Thatcher equally crushed you in the 1980s.
Boris has delivered Brexit with a Deal and is now rolling out the vaccinations faster than any other European country and as BluestBlue has correctly pointed out in the latest poll today still has a comfortable 5% poll lead after 10 years of the Tories in power.
You may have had enough, the country clearly has not
I can promise you that you do not have to be a leftwinger to loathe and despise Johnson.
OTOH I think it is ridiculous to claim he is generally more hated than Thatcher. If you think she was "respected as competent" by the "Maggie out" lot, you just weren't there at the time.
Like people actually believe something Johnson promises or sets as a target.
Shall we have a sweep on here for the actual number by Feb 14th?
I expect we'll be doing <2 million this week and next couple of weeks, with lots of media hysteria, but >2 million by the end of the month and closer to 3 million by middle of February.
2 million should be a staging post not a target. The more the better.
Oh god. The media are solely going to be focusing on the number, aren't they. Without any regard as to whether they are being used effectively. Testing all over again.
Not necessarily a bad thing in the circumstances actually.
Better to set a target of 14 million by 14 February, than 2 million per week by then; it means any let up early on is pressured to be caught up later on - and increasing capacity and delivery over and above 2 million per week is so much the better.
In contrast the French have set a target of 1 million by 31 January.
Note the wriggle room in the wording of our target - which is that people will have been offered the vaccine by mid February, not necessarily actually had it. If the programme is running late they can claim a technical achievement simply by offering slots days or weeks in advance.
That's not going to wash with the media.
If someone refuses it we should move swiftly on to the next person. We can't hang around for people to think about it.
They are already over offering. An elderly lady here was offered a slot and by the time she phoned back, they had all gone. She was told to wait another week or two.
That's good in a way. It's what we have to do to do this quickly.
Few Tories prepared to defend the government tonight. It’s very telling that they prefer to talk about shadow ministers or the devolved assembly. Literally anything other than their own record. It’s a bit of a basket case.
One very important topic was missing from the PM's speech: a support package for business.
Nothing. Not even a hint? Sunak has vanished. He appears to have washed his hands of the economy. Even the pitiful grant promised last November has yet to be paid.
This is another March-style lockdown. So why aren't we getting another March-style support package?
I know you must all be bored of hearing about my Daughter. But hers was the only venue still open until closure last week. Her place was as full as it could be. Some others round here are never reopening. Viable businesses are being killed - not because of capitalism or because of a lack of demand (people are desperate to return when it becomes possible) but because of government indifference.
Most schools have been running online learning alongside face to face throughout the last term as they have kids having to self isolate due to exposure. This is not to deflect any criticism from Johnson but to point out that schools have ben doing this now for several months at least.
Secondaries are by and large geared up for this - we were supposed to be online this week anyway. It's actually preferable to what the plan for next week was i.e. exam years in, but online learning for Years 7-9, plus 12s, which would have been a total pain in the arse to say the least.
It's Primaries I feel for, they have been messed about in a ridiculous manner.
Like people actually believe something Johnson promises or sets as a target.
Shall we have a sweep on here for the actual number by Feb 14th?
I expect we'll be doing <2 million this week and next couple of weeks, with lots of media hysteria, but >2 million by the end of the month and closer to 3 million by middle of February.
2 million should be a staging post not a target. The more the better.
Oh god. The media are solely going to be focusing on the number, aren't they. Without any regard as to whether they are being used effectively. Testing all over again.
Not necessarily a bad thing in the circumstances actually.
Better to set a target of 14 million by 14 February, than 2 million per week by then; it means any let up early on is pressured to be caught up later on - and increasing capacity and delivery over and above 2 million per week is so much the better.
In contrast the French have set a target of 1 million by 31 January.
Note the wriggle room in the wording of our target - which is that people will have been offered the vaccine by mid February, not necessarily actually had it. If the programme is running late they can claim a technical achievement simply by offering slots days or weeks in advance.
That's not going to wash with the media.
If someone refuses it we should move swiftly on to the next person. We can't hang around for people to think about it.
They are already over offering. An elderly lady here was offered a slot and by the time she phoned back, they had all gone. She was told to wait another week or two.
That's good in a way. It's what we have to do to do this quickly.
Yes, that’s exactly right. No waiting for call backs - that will clog up the system. First come, first served.
Few Tories prepared to defend the government tonight. It’s very telling that they prefer to talk about shadow ministers or the devolved assembly. Literally anything other than their own record. It’s a bit of a basket case.
The tweet about sending primary school kids in for one day to share the virus said it all.
That and the fact that pretty much every PB’er knew this was where we were headed since at least late last week.
Few Tories prepared to defend the government tonight. It’s very telling that they prefer to talk about shadow ministers or the devolved assembly. Literally anything other than their own record. It’s a bit of a basket case.
Devolved Wales is responsible for the total mismanagement of covid and it is that that affects me and my family, not anything Boris does, and believe you me Drakeford is a disaster
Few Tories prepared to defend the government tonight. It’s very telling that they prefer to talk about shadow ministers or the devolved assembly. Literally anything other than their own record. It’s a bit of a basket case.
The tweet about sending primary school kids in for one day to share the virus said it all.
That and the fact that pretty much every PB’er knew this was where we were headed since at least late last week.
Well quite. It’s a proper fuck up. No doubt about it. Asleep at the wheel.
Few Tories prepared to defend the government tonight. It’s very telling that they prefer to talk about shadow ministers or the devolved assembly. Literally anything other than their own record. It’s a bit of a basket case.
Devolved Wales is responsible for the total mismanagement of covid and it is that that affects me and my family, not anything Boris does, and believe you me Drakeford is a disaster
Like people actually believe something Johnson promises or sets as a target.
Shall we have a sweep on here for the actual number by Feb 14th?
I expect we'll be doing <2 million this week and next couple of weeks, with lots of media hysteria, but >2 million by the end of the month and closer to 3 million by middle of February.
2 million should be a staging post not a target. The more the better.
Oh god. The media are solely going to be focusing on the number, aren't they. Without any regard as to whether they are being used effectively. Testing all over again.
Not necessarily a bad thing in the circumstances actually.
Better to set a target of 14 million by 14 February, than 2 million per week by then; it means any let up early on is pressured to be caught up later on - and increasing capacity and delivery over and above 2 million per week is so much the better.
In contrast the French have set a target of 1 million by 31 January.
Note the wriggle room in the wording of our target - which is that people will have been offered the vaccine by mid February, not necessarily actually had it. If the programme is running late they can claim a technical achievement simply by offering slots days or weeks in advance.
That's not going to wash with the media.
If someone refuses it we should move swiftly on to the next person. We can't hang around for people to think about it.
They are already over offering. An elderly lady here was offered a slot and by the time she phoned back, they had all gone. She was told to wait another week or two.
That's good in a way. It's what we have to do to do this quickly.
Yes, that’s exactly right. No waiting for call backs - that will clog up the system. First come, first served.
For sure. It will however be possible for someone who is slow at picking up messages to be offered slots multiple times and each time drop back to a later schedule. Expect some anecdotal media stories if this becomes a thing.
Few Tories prepared to defend the government tonight. It’s very telling that they prefer to talk about shadow ministers or the devolved assembly. Literally anything other than their own record. It’s a bit of a basket case.
I am afraid it is only Mark Reckless and his right wing buddies who refer to it as an "assembly" now.
The word is only used by the semi-fascists ...
Because the name changed. It is the Welsh Parliament or the Senedd Cymru.
28/12-03/01 : +500,000 : 1,400,000 : 300k 04/01-10/01 : +1,200,000 : 2.6 million : 900k 11/01-17/01 : +1,500,000 : 4.1 million : 1.4 million 18/01-24/01 : +1,800,000 : 5.9 million : 2.6 million 25/01-31/01 : +2,100,000 : 7.0 million : 4.1 million
01/02-07/02 : +2,250,000 : 9.25 million : 5.9 million 08/02-14/02 : +2,400,000 : 11.65 million : 7.0 million 15/02-21/02 : +2,550,000 : 14.2 million : 9.25 million 22/02-28/02 : +2,700,000 : 16.9 million : 11.65 million
01/03-07/03 : +2,850,000 : 19.75 million : 14.2 million 08/03-14/03 : +3,000,000 : 22.75 million : 16.9 million
Restrictions reduced to Level 3 at most
15/03-21/03 : +3,00,000 : 25.75 million : 19.75 million 22/03-28/03 : +3,00,000 : 28.75 million : 22.75 million
At this point, the second jabs have to be given. The new first jabs are therefore the total (levelling at 3.3 million) minus the number of second jabs needed.
29/03-04/04 : +1.8 million : 30.55 million : 25.75 million Restrictions lifted to Tier 2 maximum
05/04-11/04 : +1.5 million : 33.05 million : 28.75 million 12/04-18/04 : +1.2 million : 34.25 million : 30.55 million 19/04-25/04 : +0.9 million : 35.15 million : 33.05 million 26/04-02/05 : +0.75 million : 35.9 million : 34.25 million Restrictions lifted to Tier 1 maximum
03/05-09/05 : +0.6 million : 36.5 million : 35.15 million 10/05-16/05 : +0.45 million : 36.95 million : 35.9 million 17/05-23/05 : +0.3 million : 37.25 million : 36.5 million 24/05-30/05 : +0.15 million : 37.4 million : 36.95 million 31/05-06/06 : +0.0 million : 37.4 million : 37.25 million (All doses given this week are second doses) 07/06-13/06 : +0.0 million : 37.4 million : 37.4 million 14/06-20/06 : +0.0 million 21/06-27/06 : +1.2 million : 38.6 million : 37.4 million 28/06-04/07 : +1.5 million : 40.1 million : 37.4 million 05/07-11/07 : +1.8 million : 41.9 million : 38.6 million 12/07-18/07 : +2.1 million : 44 million : 40.1 million 19/07-25/07 : +2.25 million : 46.25 million : 41.9 million 26/07-01/08 : +2.4 million : 48.65 million : 44 million Herd immunity achieved. All restrictions lifted.
02/08-08/08 : +2.55 million : 51.2 million : 46.25 million ... and that’s almost it, I think.
Too optimistic? Too pessimistic?
And Boris just told us that we’d be looking at Groups 1-4 by the middle of February. That’s about 14 million, I think, so if anything, he’s aiming to get that a week earlier. So maybe 10-15% faster, which is welcome. So Restrictions start to lift first week in March, down to a max of Tier 2 by last week in March, and to a max of Tier 1 by mid April. Herd immunity by early July?
28/12-03/01 : +500,000 : 1,400,000 : 300k 04/01-10/01 : +1,200,000 : 2.6 million : 900k 11/01-17/01 : +1,500,000 : 4.1 million : 1.4 million 18/01-24/01 : +1,800,000 : 5.9 million : 2.6 million 25/01-31/01 : +2,100,000 : 7.0 million : 4.1 million
01/02-07/02 : +2,250,000 : 9.25 million : 5.9 million 08/02-14/02 : +2,400,000 : 11.65 million : 7.0 million 15/02-21/02 : +2,550,000 : 14.2 million : 9.25 million 22/02-28/02 : +2,700,000 : 16.9 million : 11.65 million
01/03-07/03 : +2,850,000 : 19.75 million : 14.2 million 08/03-14/03 : +3,000,000 : 22.75 million : 16.9 million
Restrictions reduced to Level 3 at most
15/03-21/03 : +3,00,000 : 25.75 million : 19.75 million 22/03-28/03 : +3,00,000 : 28.75 million : 22.75 million
At this point, the second jabs have to be given. The new first jabs are therefore the total (levelling at 3.3 million) minus the number of second jabs needed.
29/03-04/04 : +1.8 million : 30.55 million : 25.75 million Restrictions lifted to Tier 2 maximum
05/04-11/04 : +1.5 million : 33.05 million : 28.75 million 12/04-18/04 : +1.2 million : 34.25 million : 30.55 million 19/04-25/04 : +0.9 million : 35.15 million : 33.05 million 26/04-02/05 : +0.75 million : 35.9 million : 34.25 million Restrictions lifted to Tier 1 maximum
03/05-09/05 : +0.6 million : 36.5 million : 35.15 million 10/05-16/05 : +0.45 million : 36.95 million : 35.9 million 17/05-23/05 : +0.3 million : 37.25 million : 36.5 million 24/05-30/05 : +0.15 million : 37.4 million : 36.95 million 31/05-06/06 : +0.0 million : 37.4 million : 37.25 million (All doses given this week are second doses) 07/06-13/06 : +0.0 million : 37.4 million : 37.4 million 14/06-20/06 : +0.0 million 21/06-27/06 : +1.2 million : 38.6 million : 37.4 million 28/06-04/07 : +1.5 million : 40.1 million : 37.4 million 05/07-11/07 : +1.8 million : 41.9 million : 38.6 million 12/07-18/07 : +2.1 million : 44 million : 40.1 million 19/07-25/07 : +2.25 million : 46.25 million : 41.9 million 26/07-01/08 : +2.4 million : 48.65 million : 44 million Herd immunity achieved. All restrictions lifted.
02/08-08/08 : +2.55 million : 51.2 million : 46.25 million ... and that’s almost it, I think.
Too optimistic? Too pessimistic?
And Boris just told us that we’d be looking at Groups 1-4 by the middle of February. That’s about 14 million, I think, so if anything, he’s aiming to get that a week earlier. So maybe 10-15% faster, which is welcome. So Restrictions start to lift first week in March, down to a max of Tier 2 by last week in March, and to a max of Tier 1 by mid April. Herd immunity by early July?
Schools reopening should be a separate first step before tier 3 (aka non-essential shops).
Do you think the vaccination targets are realistic?
The school mixing will be a major concern. I don’t know if they’ll gamble on sooner. Achievable? Well, 7,000 vaccinators giving 65 jabs each per day (plus whatever support they need) would give over 3 million per week; I think that’s achievable with enough resources. If we’re getting a million Pfizer and 2 million Oxford per week, it’s sustainable on the supply front. If Novavax and/or J&J come in and get authorised in, say, Feb, it could be accelerated further very feasibly.
Yes; this is all about supply. If we have the vaccines, we'll get them into peoples' arms.
All this has been entirely obvious since before Christmas. Schools were never going to reopen. We were going to have a March style lockdown. Loads on here knew it. Loads not on here did.
Did the fucker almost corpse up halfway through that ? Would explain the deeply phoney effort at serious-face at the end.
Is language like that really necessary? It really lowers the level of discourse.
He is a fucker. Figuratively and literally. You may will be willing to excuse him screwing this up every single time, we aren't.
You did not vote Tory last year when Boris got a Tory majority of 80 to be PM. Your opinion is therefore irrelevant, whatever he does you will despise him however he has a mandate regardless and is taking the appropriate measures on the lockdown and the vaccinations
You don´t get it do you HYFUD? In one year Johnson has become a hate figure like no other PM in my lifetime, including Margaret Thatcher. She was disliked but respected as competent (all too competent in fact). Johnson is a PR bullshitter. Johnson is personally responsible for Brexit like no other figure. His vacuous indecisiveness is the major problem in the Covid crisis. He leads a cabinet of utter nonentities that he has personally chosen. His personal life is a mess... and spraying bastards around is not the sign of mature man, still less a leader. He is loathed as a man and as a political figure. I confidently predict that he will reach negative polling numbers never seen by any PM in modern times and even you will be talking about that perennial Tory self indulgence, yet another leadership challenge. The country has already had enough. Another balls up, another dose of sleaze and people will be putting bricks in Tory windows.
'A hate figure like no other PM in my lifetime, including Margaret Thatcher.'
For you leftwingers of course because Boris crushed you last year with the biggest majority any Tory leader has achieved since Thatcher equally crushed you in the 1980s.
More people voted for Lab/LD/SNP/PC/Green/SDLP/SF/APNI than for Con/BXP/UKIP/DUP/UUP at General Election 2019. Strange but True!
Most schools have been running online learning alongside face to face throughout the last term as they have kids having to self isolate due to exposure. This is not to deflect any criticism from Johnson but to point out that schools have ben doing this now for several months at least.
Secondaries are by and large geared up for this - we were supposed to be online this week anyway. It's actually preferable to what the plan for next week was i.e. exam years in, but online learning for Years 7-9, plus 12s, which would have been a total pain in the arse to say the least.
It's Primaries I feel for, they have been messed about in a ridiculous manner.
As recently as last Wednesday, primaries everywhere were meant to be opening fully this week everywhere.
Incredible, when you stop and think about it. In fact, the whole thing has been crazy.
November: nationwide restrictions
December 2: Tiers version 2.0. London in T2, despite rising cases.
December 14: London moved to T3.
December 19: London moved to newly-created T4.
Incredible when you put it in a timeline like that.
I think a single dose will work well enough for "most people" - but the top 4 groups are the top 4 for a reason - they are by definition almost those with the weakest immune systems. Really not sure about the half dosing, particularly with Pfizer.
The plan in to give everyone the booster shot as well, within a maximum of twelve weeks: ... Everyone will still receive their second dose, but this will now be within 12 weeks of their first. The Oxford-AstraZeneca second dose should be given between four and 12 weeks after the first, while the interval between the first and second Pfizer doses should be three to 12 weeks....
FWIW, scientific opinion seems to be quite divided on the delayed booster policy, but also seems to tilt in favour of what we’re doing.
My guess (and it is a guess) is that the fears over this are slightly overblown.
Ultimately it depends on whether we want robust science or a shot in the dark. There is no efficacy data for delayed booster Pfizer regimes.
The AZN study cov002 did have efficacy with a median 84 day gap, so I think not unreasonable to have a 12 week gap for it.
It’s not entirely a shot in the dark, given what we know of antibody maturation timescales, and the very significant drop in rates of infection between wk.2 and wk.3 after the first shot in the Pfizer trial.
Like people actually believe something Johnson promises or sets as a target.
Shall we have a sweep on here for the actual number by Feb 14th?
I expect we'll be doing <2 million this week and next couple of weeks, with lots of media hysteria, but >2 million by the end of the month and closer to 3 million by middle of February.
2 million should be a staging post not a target. The more the better.
Oh god. The media are solely going to be focusing on the number, aren't they. Without any regard as to whether they are being used effectively. Testing all over again.
Not necessarily a bad thing in the circumstances actually.
Better to set a target of 14 million by 14 February, than 2 million per week by then; it means any let up early on is pressured to be caught up later on - and increasing capacity and delivery over and above 2 million per week is so much the better.
In contrast the French have set a target of 1 million by 31 January.
Note the wriggle room in the wording of our target - which is that people will have been offered the vaccine by mid February, not necessarily actually had it. If the programme is running late they can claim a technical achievement simply by offering slots days or weeks in advance.
I would expect a 60-70% uptake, so 14 million offers is probably 9 million or so given.
It’s almost as if there was something that the government thought more important recently. Something that took priority over Coronavirus planning. Something that took their eye off the ball at the critical moment. I don’t think it was mince pies.
How else to explain a decision to open schools this morning and then by 8pm announce they were closing.
Why did Johnson wait on Sunday?
My guess is somebody like Witty showed him, Sturgeon, et al. some very simple chart earlier today that said we are here....in 7 days days we will be there....at which point the NHS will implode and 10,000s of extra people will die.
Did the fucker almost corpse up halfway through that ? Would explain the deeply phoney effort at serious-face at the end.
Is language like that really necessary? It really lowers the level of discourse.
He is a fucker. Figuratively and literally. You may will be willing to excuse him screwing this up every single time, we aren't.
You did not vote Tory last year when Boris got a Tory majority of 80 to be PM. Your opinion is therefore irrelevant, whatever he does you will despise him however he has a mandate regardless and is taking the appropriate measures on the lockdown and the vaccinations
You don´t get it do you HYFUD? In one year Johnson has become a hate figure like no other PM in my lifetime, including Margaret Thatcher. She was disliked but respected as competent (all too competent in fact). Johnson is a PR bullshitter. Johnson is personally responsible for Brexit like no other figure. His vacuous indecisiveness is the major problem in the Covid crisis. He leads a cabinet of utter nonentities that he has personally chosen. His personal life is a mess... and spraying bastards around is not the sign of mature man, still less a leader. He is loathed as a man and as a political figure. I confidently predict that he will reach negative polling numbers never seen by any PM in modern times and even you will be talking about that perennial Tory self indulgence, yet another leadership challenge. The country has already had enough. Another balls up, another dose of sleaze and people will be putting bricks in Tory windows.
'A hate figure like no other PM in my lifetime, including Margaret Thatcher.'
For you leftwingers of course because Boris crushed you last year with the biggest majority any Tory leader has achieved since Thatcher equally crushed you in the 1980s.
More people voted for Lab/LD/SNP/PC/Green/SDLP/SF/APNI than for Con/BXP/UKIP/DUP/UUP at General Election 2019. Strange but True!
Does not change the point as in both voteshare terms and seats won Boris won by more than any Tory leader since Thatcher.
No PM's party has ever won over 50% of the vote in the UK since before WW2
As some light relief on a heavy night, that policy of May's always was a bit strange, and somehow out of time. It seemed to belong more to the early 'nineties, still the era of Back to Basics and Mary Whitehouse, than the rest of the bizarre 2017 manifesto, with its fox-hunting and various other commitments.
I think the answer is that Johnson copied Sturgeon's homework. The text is identical.
It isn't - seem too many differences. Notably the Scots warning children off scholl till the 18th some time before (other than vulnerable/key worker children etc.), on 21 December
Most schools have been running online learning alongside face to face throughout the last term as they have kids having to self isolate due to exposure. This is not to deflect any criticism from Johnson but to point out that schools have ben doing this now for several months at least.
Secondaries are by and large geared up for this - we were supposed to be online this week anyway. It's actually preferable to what the plan for next week was i.e. exam years in, but online learning for Years 7-9, plus 12s, which would have been a total pain in the arse to say the least.
It's Primaries I feel for, they have been messed about in a ridiculous manner.
As recently as last Wednesday, primaries everywhere were meant to be opening fully this week everywhere.
Incredible, when you stop and think about it. In fact, the whole thing has been crazy.
November: nationwide restrictions
December 2: Tiers version 2.0. London in T2, despite rising cases.
December 14: London moved to T3.
December 19: London moved to newly-created T4.
Incredible when you put it in a timeline like that.
And the official tier review for London was December 16! They left it unchanged in T3 then......but changed it two days before and three days later, gives such confidence to the public!
"finalizing proposals"....FFS....get 'er done. Didn't they announce months ago plans for testing at airports etc.
Its very simple, you say no you can't come to the UK, you can't leave the UK...unless, insert small number of exceptions, and you must also have a negative test.
Did the fucker almost corpse up halfway through that ? Would explain the deeply phoney effort at serious-face at the end.
Is language like that really necessary? It really lowers the level of discourse.
He is a fucker. Figuratively and literally. You may will be willing to excuse him screwing this up every single time, we aren't.
You did not vote Tory last year when Boris got a Tory majority of 80 to be PM. Your opinion is therefore irrelevant, whatever he does you will despise him however he has a mandate regardless and is taking the appropriate measures on the lockdown and the vaccinations
You don´t get it do you HYFUD? In one year Johnson has become a hate figure like no other PM in my lifetime, including Margaret Thatcher. She was disliked but respected as competent (all too competent in fact). Johnson is a PR bullshitter. Johnson is personally responsible for Brexit like no other figure. His vacuous indecisiveness is the major problem in the Covid crisis. He leads a cabinet of utter nonentities that he has personally chosen. His personal life is a mess... and spraying bastards around is not the sign of mature man, still less a leader. He is loathed as a man and as a political figure. I confidently predict that he will reach negative polling numbers never seen by any PM in modern times and even you will be talking about that perennial Tory self indulgence, yet another leadership challenge. The country has already had enough. Another balls up, another dose of sleaze and people will be putting bricks in Tory windows.
'A hate figure like no other PM in my lifetime, including Margaret Thatcher.'
For you leftwingers of course because Boris crushed you last year with the biggest majority any Tory leader has achieved since Thatcher equally crushed you in the 1980s.
More people voted for Lab/LD/SNP/PC/Green/SDLP/SF/APNI than for Con/BXP/UKIP/DUP/UUP at General Election 2019. Strange but True!
Does not change the point as in both voteshare terms and seats won Boris won by more than any Tory leader since Thatcher.
No PM's party has ever won over 50% of the vote in the UK since before WW2
Does not change the point that Left-wing parties won more votes than Right-wing parties!
I think the answer is that Johnson copied Sturgeon's homework. The text is identical.
It isn't - seem too many differences. Notably the Scots warning children off scholl till the 18th some time before (other than vulnerable/key worker children etc.), on 21 December
One very important topic was missing from the PM's speech: a support package for business.
Nothing. Not even a hint? Sunak has vanished. He appears to have washed his hands of the economy. Even the pitiful grant promised last November has yet to be paid.
This is another March-style lockdown. So why aren't we getting another March-style support package?
I know you must all be bored of hearing about my Daughter. But hers was the only venue still open until closure last week. Her place was as full as it could be. Some others round here are never reopening. Viable businesses are being killed - not because of capitalism or because of a lack of demand (people are desperate to return when it becomes possible) but because of government indifference.
Realistically they have until Wednesday to announce something concrete - after all Johnson has only just made his mind up to act. I hope they will, but it would not surprise me massively if they don’t. Fingers crossed for you and the rest of the hospitality trade.
Most schools have been running online learning alongside face to face throughout the last term as they have kids having to self isolate due to exposure. This is not to deflect any criticism from Johnson but to point out that schools have ben doing this now for several months at least.
Secondaries are by and large geared up for this - we were supposed to be online this week anyway. It's actually preferable to what the plan for next week was i.e. exam years in, but online learning for Years 7-9, plus 12s, which would have been a total pain in the arse to say the least.
It's Primaries I feel for, they have been messed about in a ridiculous manner.
As recently as last Wednesday, primaries everywhere were meant to be opening fully this week everywhere.
Incredible, when you stop and think about it. In fact, the whole thing has been crazy.
November: nationwide restrictions
December 2: Tiers version 2.0. London in T2, despite rising cases.
December 14: London moved to T3.
December 19: London moved to newly-created T4.
Incredible when you put it in a timeline like that.
3 weeks since endless media slots celebrating football crowds and West End shows.
Did the fucker almost corpse up halfway through that ? Would explain the deeply phoney effort at serious-face at the end.
Is language like that really necessary? It really lowers the level of discourse.
He is a fucker. Figuratively and literally. You may will be willing to excuse him screwing this up every single time, we aren't.
You did not vote Tory last year when Boris got a Tory majority of 80 to be PM. Your opinion is therefore irrelevant, whatever he does you will despise him however he has a mandate regardless and is taking the appropriate measures on the lockdown and the vaccinations
You don´t get it do you HYFUD? In one year Johnson has become a hate figure like no other PM in my lifetime, including Margaret Thatcher. She was disliked but respected as competent (all too competent in fact). Johnson is a PR bullshitter. Johnson is personally responsible for Brexit like no other figure. His vacuous indecisiveness is the major problem in the Covid crisis. He leads a cabinet of utter nonentities that he has personally chosen. His personal life is a mess... and spraying bastards around is not the sign of mature man, still less a leader. He is loathed as a man and as a political figure. I confidently predict that he will reach negative polling numbers never seen by any PM in modern times and even you will be talking about that perennial Tory self indulgence, yet another leadership challenge. The country has already had enough. Another balls up, another dose of sleaze and people will be putting bricks in Tory windows.
'A hate figure like no other PM in my lifetime, including Margaret Thatcher.'
For you leftwingers of course because Boris crushed you last year with the biggest majority any Tory leader has achieved since Thatcher equally crushed you in the 1980s.
More people voted for Lab/LD/SNP/PC/Green/SDLP/SF/APNI than for Con/BXP/UKIP/DUP/UUP at General Election 2019. Strange but True!
Does not change the point as in both voteshare terms and seats won Boris won by more than any Tory leader since Thatcher.
No PM's party has ever won over 50% of the vote in the UK since before WW2
Does not change the point that Left-wing parties won more votes than Right-wing parties!
The LDs cannot be counted as a left-wing party, they opposed a Corbyn premiership and were in a coalition government with the Tories just 6 years ago, a minister from which is now the LD leader
Like people actually believe something Johnson promises or sets as a target.
Shall we have a sweep on here for the actual number by Feb 14th?
I expect we'll be doing <2 million this week and next couple of weeks, with lots of media hysteria, but >2 million by the end of the month and closer to 3 million by middle of February.
2 million should be a staging post not a target. The more the better.
Oh god. The media are solely going to be focusing on the number, aren't they. Without any regard as to whether they are being used effectively. Testing all over again.
Not necessarily a bad thing in the circumstances actually.
Better to set a target of 14 million by 14 February, than 2 million per week by then; it means any let up early on is pressured to be caught up later on - and increasing capacity and delivery over and above 2 million per week is so much the better.
In contrast the French have set a target of 1 million by 31 January.
Note the wriggle room in the wording of our target - which is that people will have been offered the vaccine by mid February, not necessarily actually had it. If the programme is running late they can claim a technical achievement simply by offering slots days or weeks in advance.
I would expect a 60-70% uptake, so 14 million offers is probably 9 million or so given.
That uptake seems low enough to worry about reaching herd immunity at all given the unrestricted R is well above 3. I find it difficult to believe though given all we've gone through. 10% of conspiracy nuts, maybe, but >30%?
How else to explain a decision to open schools this morning and then by 8pm announce they were closing.
Why did Johnson wait on Sunday?
Didn't want to spoil the holiday?
It does remind me of that scene from When Harry Met Sally (not that one), where Billy Crystal's wife leaves him 'Why didn't you tell me sooner? She said - I didn't want to ruin your birthday.'
Like people actually believe something Johnson promises or sets as a target.
Shall we have a sweep on here for the actual number by Feb 14th?
I expect we'll be doing <2 million this week and next couple of weeks, with lots of media hysteria, but >2 million by the end of the month and closer to 3 million by middle of February.
2 million should be a staging post not a target. The more the better.
Oh god. The media are solely going to be focusing on the number, aren't they. Without any regard as to whether they are being used effectively. Testing all over again.
Not necessarily a bad thing in the circumstances actually.
Better to set a target of 14 million by 14 February, than 2 million per week by then; it means any let up early on is pressured to be caught up later on - and increasing capacity and delivery over and above 2 million per week is so much the better.
In contrast the French have set a target of 1 million by 31 January.
Note the wriggle room in the wording of our target - which is that people will have been offered the vaccine by mid February, not necessarily actually had it. If the programme is running late they can claim a technical achievement simply by offering slots days or weeks in advance.
I would expect a 60-70% uptake, so 14 million offers is probably 9 million or so given.
If the offered doses are genuine, though, won’t they over offer well above the 14m to ensure they beat that 60-70% ?
Thats the effect. Nothing changed in the cause. The pox spike going vertical didn't just happen this morning. It took them until Sturgeon moved to realise they had to follow.
Have we identified who is responsible for restrictions on international travellers entering via the Scottish & Welsh Airports ?
(The only international airport in Wales is owned by the Welsh Government).
This afternoon's ding-dong over Scotland made it clear that aviation is a UK matter not for devolved governments. They may own the airport but UK air policy isn't set by them.
Thats the effect. Nothing changed in the cause. The pox spike going vertical didn't just happen this morning. It took them until Sturgeon moved to realise they had to follow.
She leads, he follows. Again.
No she didn't lead. The Joint CMOs and the Biosecurity Centre led. Then she was first out of the gate after everyone got that news while the PM prepared his statement for 8pm.
It was the Alert Level 5 that caused this, not Sturgeon. She followed what Boris did on the exact same day. Why do you think she waited until that Alert Level and acted at the same time otherwise? 🙄
Like people actually believe something Johnson promises or sets as a target.
Shall we have a sweep on here for the actual number by Feb 14th?
I expect we'll be doing <2 million this week and next couple of weeks, with lots of media hysteria, but >2 million by the end of the month and closer to 3 million by middle of February.
2 million should be a staging post not a target. The more the better.
Oh god. The media are solely going to be focusing on the number, aren't they. Without any regard as to whether they are being used effectively. Testing all over again.
Not necessarily a bad thing in the circumstances actually.
Better to set a target of 14 million by 14 February, than 2 million per week by then; it means any let up early on is pressured to be caught up later on - and increasing capacity and delivery over and above 2 million per week is so much the better.
In contrast the French have set a target of 1 million by 31 January.
Note the wriggle room in the wording of our target - which is that people will have been offered the vaccine by mid February, not necessarily actually had it. If the programme is running late they can claim a technical achievement simply by offering slots days or weeks in advance.
I would expect a 60-70% uptake, so 14 million offers is probably 9 million or so given.
That uptake seems low enough to worry about reaching herd immunity at all given the unrestricted R is well above 3. I find it difficult to believe though given all we've gone through. 10% of conspiracy nuts, maybe, but >30%?
I don't think there will be nearly that many refusers amongst the older age groups. Younger, quite possibly.
Most schools have been running online learning alongside face to face throughout the last term as they have kids having to self isolate due to exposure. This is not to deflect any criticism from Johnson but to point out that schools have ben doing this now for several months at least.
Secondaries are by and large geared up for this - we were supposed to be online this week anyway. It's actually preferable to what the plan for next week was i.e. exam years in, but online learning for Years 7-9, plus 12s, which would have been a total pain in the arse to say the least.
It's Primaries I feel for, they have been messed about in a ridiculous manner.
As recently as last Wednesday, primaries everywhere were meant to be opening fully this week everywhere.
Incredible, when you stop and think about it. In fact, the whole thing has been crazy.
November: nationwide restrictions
December 2: Tiers version 2.0. London in T2, despite rising cases.
December 14: London moved to T3.
December 19: London moved to newly-created T4.
Incredible when you put it in a timeline like that.
3 weeks since endless media slots celebrating football crowds and West End shows.
Herefordshire has gone from Tier 1 to 5 in the space of the twelve days of xmas.
How else to explain a decision to open schools this morning and then by 8pm announce they were closing.
Why did Johnson wait on Sunday?
Alert Level 5 by the Joint Biosecurity Centre was today.
Not last week, today.
The numbers have been clear for 2-3 weeks.
The numbers have been changing but either way the Alert Level was put into 5 today, it is a complete and utter lie to say nothing has changed today.
This is from SAGE on 22 December:
"It is highly unlikely that measures with stringency and adherence in line with the measures in England in November (i.e. with schools open) would be sufficient to maintain R below 1 in the presence of the new variant. R would be lower with schools closed, with closure of secondary schools likely to have a greater effect than closure of primary schools. It remains difficult to distinguish where transmission between children takes place, and it is important to consider contacts made outside of schools.
It is not known whether measures with similar stringency and adherence as Spring, with both primary and secondary schools closed, would be sufficient to bring R below 1 in the presence of the new variant. The introduction of Tier 4 measures in England combined with the school holidays will be informative of the strength of measures required to control the new variant but analysis of this will not be possible until mid-January."
Yet we had large parts of the country in tier 3 and put our head in the sands on closing schools.
@viewcode Thank you for your message. I have responded. Appreciated.
I think I got myself into a bit of a pickle in the last thread. In trying to respond to a specific challenge and using simplistic responses for brevity I dug myself into a hole.
I don't think the EU is particularly democratic nor the UK as I would like to see either of them, but equally they are not totally undemocratic either. Both having different strengths and weaknesses.
All I wanted to do is point out that it is nonsense to categorize one as democratic and the other not. They have different systems with different strengths, but in particular different weaknesses.
I suspect @Richard_Tyndall we probably don't disagree much, but you responded to my simplistic response to a nonsense post (not yours) and I wouldn't disagree with any of your assertions in response to my posts which were made to make a simple point to just point out differences.
Made worse by the comment 'Yet more bollocks'. Don't mind being told I am talking bollocks. It was the 'yet more' that flabbergasted me as it was my first post so I was paranoid about what previous bollocks I posted?
In fact you made an excellent argument.
That is very kind of you, but I wasn't particularly impressed by my own posts. In each case I left myself open to valid criticism to what I had written which in turn moved away from the point I was making and the hole just kept getting bigger and bigger. To get out of it I would have needed to write a tome to demonstrate I was neither unknowledgeable or irrational to the workings of the various systems. And all in the end to point out the nonsense n a post whose author had long left the discussion.
Thats the effect. Nothing changed in the cause. The pox spike going vertical didn't just happen this morning. It took them until Sturgeon moved to realise they had to follow.
She leads, he follows. Again.
No she didn't lead. The Joint CMOs and the Biosecurity Centre led. Then she was first out of the gate after everyone got that news while the PM prepared his statement for 8pm.
It was the Alert Level 5 that caused this, not Sturgeon. She followed what Boris did on the exact same day. Why do you think she waited until that Alert Level and acted at the same time otherwise? 🙄
She was tweeting over the weekend that new restrictions were coming and that the parliament was to be recalled for an urgent covid statement, so if that's the case she also knew this new level 5 was coming in advance.
Thats the effect. Nothing changed in the cause. The pox spike going vertical didn't just happen this morning. It took them until Sturgeon moved to realise they had to follow.
She leads, he follows. Again.
No she didn't lead. The Joint CMOs and the Biosecurity Centre led. Then she was first out of the gate after everyone got that news while the PM prepared his statement for 8pm.
It was the Alert Level 5 that caused this, not Sturgeon. She followed what Boris did on the exact same day. Why do you think she waited until that Alert Level and acted at the same time otherwise? 🙄
Like people actually believe something Johnson promises or sets as a target.
Shall we have a sweep on here for the actual number by Feb 14th?
I expect we'll be doing <2 million this week and next couple of weeks, with lots of media hysteria, but >2 million by the end of the month and closer to 3 million by middle of February.
2 million should be a staging post not a target. The more the better.
Oh god. The media are solely going to be focusing on the number, aren't they. Without any regard as to whether they are being used effectively. Testing all over again.
Not necessarily a bad thing in the circumstances actually.
Better to set a target of 14 million by 14 February, than 2 million per week by then; it means any let up early on is pressured to be caught up later on - and increasing capacity and delivery over and above 2 million per week is so much the better.
In contrast the French have set a target of 1 million by 31 January.
Note the wriggle room in the wording of our target - which is that people will have been offered the vaccine by mid February, not necessarily actually had it. If the programme is running late they can claim a technical achievement simply by offering slots days or weeks in advance.
I would expect a 60-70% uptake, so 14 million offers is probably 9 million or so given.
That uptake seems low enough to worry about reaching herd immunity at all given the unrestricted R is well above 3. I find it difficult to believe though given all we've gone through. 10% of conspiracy nuts, maybe, but >30%?
Just looking at immunisation rates for other diseases, and uptake of things like screening programmes.
Cervical cancer screening gets 71% uptake, breast cancer 72%, bowel cancer 64% all pretty much in the same ballpark as flu vaccination.
Most schools have been running online learning alongside face to face throughout the last term as they have kids having to self isolate due to exposure. This is not to deflect any criticism from Johnson but to point out that schools have ben doing this now for several months at least.
Secondaries are by and large geared up for this - we were supposed to be online this week anyway. It's actually preferable to what the plan for next week was i.e. exam years in, but online learning for Years 7-9, plus 12s, which would have been a total pain in the arse to say the least.
It's Primaries I feel for, they have been messed about in a ridiculous manner.
As recently as last Wednesday, primaries everywhere were meant to be opening fully this week everywhere.
Incredible, when you stop and think about it. In fact, the whole thing has been crazy.
November: nationwide restrictions
December 2: Tiers version 2.0. London in T2, despite rising cases.
December 14: London moved to T3.
December 19: London moved to newly-created T4.
Incredible when you put it in a timeline like that.
3 weeks since endless media slots celebrating football crowds and West End shows.
Herefordshire has gone from Tier 1 to 5 in the space of the twelve days of xmas.
How else to explain a decision to open schools this morning and then by 8pm announce they were closing.
Why did Johnson wait on Sunday?
Alert Level 5 by the Joint Biosecurity Centre was today.
Not last week, today.
The numbers have been clear for 2-3 weeks.
The numbers have been changing but either way the Alert Level was put into 5 today, it is a complete and utter lie to say nothing has changed today.
This is from SAGE on 22 December:
"It is highly unlikely that measures with stringency and adherence in line with the measures in England in November (i.e. with schools open) would be sufficient to maintain R below 1 in the presence of the new variant. R would be lower with schools closed, with closure of secondary schools likely to have a greater effect than closure of primary schools. It remains difficult to distinguish where transmission between children takes place, and it is important to consider contacts made outside of schools.
It is not known whether measures with similar stringency and adherence as Spring, with both primary and secondary schools closed, would be sufficient to bring R below 1 in the presence of the new variant. The introduction of Tier 4 measures in England combined with the school holidays will be informative of the strength of measures required to control the new variant but analysis of this will not be possible until mid-January."
Yet we had large parts of the country in tier 3 and put our head in the sands on closing schools.
"The introduction of Tier 4 measures in England combined with the school holidays will be informative of the strength of measures required to control the new variant but analysis of this will not be possible until mid-January."
Yes - that was done. SAGE advice was followed. Tier 4 measures were introduced combined with the school holidays.
So the Government did exactly what SAGE advised as per your quotation.
FYI: yesterday Israel reached 12% of their population having recieved at least one dose (that's more than 15% of adults). They only started vaccinating on 20 December, so they're currently moving at 1% of the population getting jabbed a day.
(This does not include Palestinians in the occupied territories.)
Have we identified who is responsible for restrictions on international travellers entering via the Scottish & Welsh Airports ?
(The only international airport in Wales is owned by the Welsh Government).
This afternoon's ding-dong over Scotland made it clear that aviation is a UK matter not for devolved governments. They may own the airport but UK air policy isn't set by them.
It seems clear to me that in the case of Wales, the Welsh Government owns the airport and they can shut it down (if they want), or they can implement any testing regime they wish in the airport. They can block the access road (because they also own it).
(It may be different in Scotland for which the major airports are privately owned).
Once a passenger gets off a plane, & certainly once out of the airport, passengers are subject to any regulations set by the Welsh Government.
Like people actually believe something Johnson promises or sets as a target.
Shall we have a sweep on here for the actual number by Feb 14th?
I expect we'll be doing <2 million this week and next couple of weeks, with lots of media hysteria, but >2 million by the end of the month and closer to 3 million by middle of February.
2 million should be a staging post not a target. The more the better.
Oh god. The media are solely going to be focusing on the number, aren't they. Without any regard as to whether they are being used effectively. Testing all over again.
Not necessarily a bad thing in the circumstances actually.
Better to set a target of 14 million by 14 February, than 2 million per week by then; it means any let up early on is pressured to be caught up later on - and increasing capacity and delivery over and above 2 million per week is so much the better.
In contrast the French have set a target of 1 million by 31 January.
Note the wriggle room in the wording of our target - which is that people will have been offered the vaccine by mid February, not necessarily actually had it. If the programme is running late they can claim a technical achievement simply by offering slots days or weeks in advance.
I would expect a 60-70% uptake, so 14 million offers is probably 9 million or so given.
That uptake seems low enough to worry about reaching herd immunity at all given the unrestricted R is well above 3. I find it difficult to believe though given all we've gone through. 10% of conspiracy nuts, maybe, but >30%?
Just looking at immunisation rates for other diseases, and uptake of things like screening programmes.
Cervical cancer screening gets 71% uptake, breast cancer 72%, bowel cancer 64% all pretty much in the same ballpark as flu vaccination.
But none of them have been on the news and affecting everyone's lives for nearly a year.
Must say that the Trump fleeing to Scotland story does put a smile on my face. He may not do it. But the Americans wouldn't have prepped for the trip had it not been kept as an option.
Must say that the Trump fleeing to Scotland story does put a smile on my face. He may not do it. But the Americans wouldn't have prepped for the trip had it not been kept as an option.
They can have him extradited back in exchange for us keeping Assange.
That’s a touch pathetic. Everyone hates these restrictions, there is nothing special about Boris in this regard. He just doesn’t like to take responsibility or make decisions. He’s in the wrong job. Should have stuck to journalism or a campaigning role.
How else to explain a decision to open schools this morning and then by 8pm announce they were closing.
Why did Johnson wait on Sunday?
Alert Level 5 by the Joint Biosecurity Centre was today.
Not last week, today.
The numbers have been clear for 2-3 weeks.
The numbers have been changing but either way the Alert Level was put into 5 today, it is a complete and utter lie to say nothing has changed today.
This is from SAGE on 22 December:
"It is highly unlikely that measures with stringency and adherence in line with the measures in England in November (i.e. with schools open) would be sufficient to maintain R below 1 in the presence of the new variant. R would be lower with schools closed, with closure of secondary schools likely to have a greater effect than closure of primary schools. It remains difficult to distinguish where transmission between children takes place, and it is important to consider contacts made outside of schools.
It is not known whether measures with similar stringency and adherence as Spring, with both primary and secondary schools closed, would be sufficient to bring R below 1 in the presence of the new variant. The introduction of Tier 4 measures in England combined with the school holidays will be informative of the strength of measures required to control the new variant but analysis of this will not be possible until mid-January."
Yet we had large parts of the country in tier 3 and put our head in the sands on closing schools.
"The introduction of Tier 4 measures in England combined with the school holidays will be informative of the strength of measures required to control the new variant but analysis of this will not be possible until mid-January."
Yes - that was done. SAGE advice was followed. Tier 4 measures were introduced combined with the school holidays.
So the Government did exactly what SAGE advised as per your quotation.
No. Given it was known on 22 December:
- it is highly unlikely a lockdown stricter than tier 4 with schools open gets R below 1 - infection rates were higher than the start of November lockdown - they were going to rise even further because of Xmas
The only responsible option was to announce schools closed and give teachers, students and parents time to prepare.
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OTOH I think it is ridiculous to claim he is generally more hated than Thatcher. If you think she was "respected as competent" by the "Maggie out" lot, you just weren't there at the time.
Nothing. Not even a hint? Sunak has vanished. He appears to have washed his hands of the economy. Even the pitiful grant promised last November has yet to be paid.
This is another March-style lockdown. So why aren't we getting another March-style support package?
I know you must all be bored of hearing about my Daughter. But hers was the only venue still open until closure last week. Her place was as full as it could be. Some others round here are never reopening. Viable businesses are being killed - not because of capitalism or because of a lack of demand (people are desperate to return when it becomes possible) but because of government indifference.
Secondaries are by and large geared up for this - we were supposed to be online this week anyway. It's actually preferable to what the plan for next week was i.e. exam years in, but online learning for Years 7-9, plus 12s, which would have been a total pain in the arse to say the least.
It's Primaries I feel for, they have been messed about in a ridiculous manner.
https://twitter.com/miss_mcinerney/status/1346196357342748674
That and the fact that pretty much every PB’er knew this was where we were headed since at least late last week.
Scottish parents has weeks to prep for Home Schooling. English parents a few hours.
And just like March this screeching u-turn is based on no new information.
The word is only used by the semi-fascists ...
Because the name changed. It is the Welsh Parliament or the Senedd Cymru.
Something?
How else to explain a decision to open schools this morning and then by 8pm announce they were closing.
Why did Johnson wait on Sunday?
There is nothing surprising about this, it is a pattern of behaviour we have seen repeatedly from the PM.
Schools were never going to reopen.
We were going to have a March style lockdown.
Loads on here knew it. Loads not on here did.
Incredible, when you stop and think about it. In fact, the whole thing has been crazy.
November: nationwide restrictions
December 2: Tiers version 2.0. London in T2, despite rising cases.
December 14: London moved to T3.
December 19: London moved to newly-created T4.
Incredible when you put it in a timeline like that.
No PM's party has ever won over 50% of the vote in the UK since before WW2
It's the best chance we have of Johnson doing the same just a few hours later.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-school-re-opening-arrangements-for-january-2021/pages/schools-opening-timeline/
Also differences in travel within the respective countries.
Church services etc permitted in England. And so on.
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1346205377109630978
Its very simple, you say no you can't come to the UK, you can't leave the UK...unless, insert small number of exceptions, and you must also have a negative test.
Not last week, today.
I hope they will, but it would not surprise me massively if they don’t. Fingers crossed for you and the rest of the hospitality trade.
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-04/exclusive-brains-wales-best-known-beer-to-be-brewed-in-england-amid-redundancies
Well done Mark Drakeford.
They did it because they are clueless morons.
Alert Level 5 happened this morning.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-alert-level-update-from-the-uk-chief-medical-officers
Have we identified who is responsible for restrictions on international travellers entering via the Scottish & Welsh Airports ?
(The only international airport in Wales is owned by the Welsh Government).
Seems like they're trying to gift Manchester United the title right now.
She leads, he follows. Again.
It was the Alert Level 5 that caused this, not Sturgeon. She followed what Boris did on the exact same day. Why do you think she waited until that Alert Level and acted at the same time otherwise? 🙄
--AS
Either way, they acted today - and then all 4 nations followed, on the same day.
"It is highly unlikely that measures with stringency and adherence in line with the
measures in England in November (i.e. with schools open) would be sufficient to
maintain R below 1 in the presence of the new variant. R would be lower with schools
closed, with closure of secondary schools likely to have a greater effect than closure of
primary schools. It remains difficult to distinguish where transmission between children
takes place, and it is important to consider contacts made outside of schools.
It is not known whether measures with similar stringency and adherence as Spring, with
both primary and secondary schools closed, would be sufficient to bring R below 1 in the
presence of the new variant. The introduction of Tier 4 measures in England combined
with the school holidays will be informative of the strength of measures required to
control the new variant but analysis of this will not be possible until mid-January."
Yet we had large parts of the country in tier 3 and put our head in the sands on closing schools.
This is a spectacular level of fuck up. Truly astounding.
Cervical cancer screening gets 71% uptake, breast cancer 72%, bowel cancer 64% all pretty much in the same ballpark as flu vaccination.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1346211956454285317
with the school holidays will be informative of the strength of measures required to
control the new variant but analysis of this will not be possible until mid-January."
Yes - that was done. SAGE advice was followed. Tier 4 measures were introduced combined with the school
holidays.
So the Government did exactly what SAGE advised as per your quotation.
https://twitter.com/JustinWelby/status/1346211669438050305?s=20
(This does not include Palestinians in the occupied territories.)
(It may be different in Scotland for which the major airports are privately owned).
Once a passenger gets off a plane, & certainly once out of the airport, passengers are subject to any regulations set by the Welsh Government.
But it is a valid question and will probably be one of gazillions raised in the public inquiry.
And more grim news, now Liverpool have lost. Watch Liverpool slip to 2nd then the table gets halted before we get Van Dijk back . . .
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
- it is highly unlikely a lockdown stricter than tier 4 with schools open gets R below 1
- infection rates were higher than the start of November lockdown
- they were going to rise even further because of Xmas
The only responsible option was to announce schools closed and give teachers, students and parents time to prepare.