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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,599

    HYUFD said:
    Is this a real thing or has The Spectator just invented it for Priti, miffed that she keeps getting it in the neck?
    Sadly it's real. Many BAME conservatives have spent the last couple of weeks receiving copious amounts of racist hate mail, mostly because they don't see themselves as victims but as successes.

    Terms like "coconut" being used, meaning someone brown on the outside but white on the inside.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,434
    kjh said:

    Question for those in the know:

    I thought Ohio was the bell weather state? If Biden is ahead so much everywhere else why is this on a knife edge?

    Pennsylvania is the tipping point state according to the Economist prediction, and that is consistent with the Cook Partisan Voter Index scores, but the tipping point state wasn't particularly accurately forecast last time.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    Stocky said:

    kjh said:

    Question for those in the know:

    I thought Ohio was the bell weather state? If Biden is ahead so much everywhere else why is this on a knife edge?

    Ohio hasn't been the tipping point state for a while; It's still a swing state but it's one of the more GOP-leaning ones, especially with Trump being strong with low-education white people. That said, state polling is hard and there hasn't been much of it yet, so I wouldn't pay too much attention to those numbers.
    I backed Dems to win Ohio yesterday. I`ve built up a very large position against Trump already and am looking for opportunities to back Dems in certain individual states.

    I`ve already covered Wisconsin, Florida, N Carolina. Iowa, Arizona and New Hampshire (at longer odds than is currently the case) - and I added Ohio to this tally.

    Ohio has a high population of black people. Polls in Ohio are close and there, no doubt, will be some shy Trumpers, but on balance I thought that there was a bit of value in the 2.18 that I took yesterday. I took all of it I`m afraid.

    My only Rep bet is for them to win Pennsylvania - a small stake at 2.5.
    If Pa. falls to Trump, I can't see a Biden presidency.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    Dura_Ace said:

    Off topic. Vera Lynn RIP

    Impressive innings:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1273536609653309441?s=20
    I was convinced some goal hanger had her in the dead pool but I checked my records and no...
    Out of interest, do we have any accurate calls?
    I reckon @Paristonda came very close with Johnson but sadly Comrade Corona of the Wuhan Brigade narrowly failed in his decapitation strike.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    End of an era with the death of Dame Vera Lynn. I think when the Queen leaves this mortal coil it will really reinforce the sense that World War II is gone.

    They have been marvellous people, and we should remain eternally grateful, but it's time to move on now.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,805
    Congrats, Mr. Gate, hope that trend continues.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127

    eristdoof said:

    DavidL said:



    I don't think I will be taking a flight for more than an hour for some time to come. I will do my best to stay away from airports completely. Let's face it they were truly appalling places before this: unbelievably crap service, utterly absurd and pointless security requirements (never, ever caught a terrorist), designed to make a rat in a maze feel good as they pushed you by shops you just might be bored enough to shop in. And now an airborne disease! Fantastic.

    I agree that Airports and Flying is crap, but your comment on terrorism is inappropriate.

    The point of airport security is not to catch terrorists, but to stop them from attempting an attack. This is something which can only be assesed using counterfactuals and so is not really provable.

    In comparison to the early mid & 70s when any political fanatic could hijack a plane it is clear that security measures have reduced the incidence of hijacking considerably. In the USA in 2001 the internal flight security was very lax, and the hijackers' weapons on 11/9/2001 would probably have been detected in a European airport.

    The massively annoying limitation on liquids in hand baggage was more or less introduced overnight due to good intellegence about a planned attack using liquid explosive. This attack did not take place, whether it woud have been succesful had the liquid restiction not been imposed, is unknowable.
    I agree (unenthusiastically) with Eristdoof's point, but in other respects DavidL's summary of the airport experience is a wonderful SeanT-worthy diatribe.

    I have a lot of friends in other countries, so probably will be travelling when allowed to. My airport strategy is to take a large book, find a seat somewhere, set a phone alarm for when I need to board and then ignore everything, especially the shops which bring seedy tax-dodging together with luxury consumerism in a marriage from hell. The possibility of getting ill is still a snag, though.
    For the last few years I've avoided Heathrow and Gatwick wherever possible. Edinburgh is about the largest airport I regularly use.

    Southampton and City are really quite good. Or were, not sure how they'll look post Flybe and post Covid-19.

    But otherwise they're a pain. Even the lounges have been too busy during the last few years.

    My sector is changing - so I am going to be travelling less. But I do enjoy the travel, generally, when it is by train.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,285
    Re the 1kg mass v weight argument above:
    9.8N would have been more accurate, but if you say “the weight of 1kg” then you get across the same information in a way that more people will understand. “A weight of 1kg” is still wrong though.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    Dura_Ace said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Off topic. Vera Lynn RIP

    Impressive innings:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1273536609653309441?s=20
    I was convinced some goal hanger had her in the dead pool but I checked my records and no...
    Out of interest, do we have any accurate calls?
    I reckon @Paristonda came very close with Johnson but sadly Comrade Corona of the Wuhan Brigade narrowly failed in his decapitation strike.
    So close, but no cigar?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482

    Off topic. Vera Lynn RIP

    Oh no! Bless her. Wonderful lady.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    On topic, at what point can Trump decide he doesn't want to stand?

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1273528083145011202

    If he looks like losing "bigly" would he just walk away from the contest?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    “An independent Scotland would be back in the EU.”
    Boris Johnson, 17 June 2020

    Remember when they insisted that independence would mean Scotland being kicked out of the EU?

    Jackson Carlaw must tear his hair out every time that buffoon opens his mouth.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,052
    edited June 2020

    's summary of the airport experience is a wonderful SeanT-worthy diatribe.

    I have a lot of friends in other countries, so probably will be travelling when allowed to. My airport strategy is to take a large book, find a seat somewhere, set a phone alarm for when I need to board and then ignore everything, especially the shops which bring seedy tax-dodging together with luxury consumerism in a marriage from hell. The possibility of getting ill is still a snag, though.

    The shops pay for the airport. Would you rather pay an extra £10-30 each time you fly?

    Maybe you would, but I doubt most passengers share your views.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,249
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:
    Is this a real thing or has The Spectator just invented it for Priti, miffed that she keeps getting it in the neck?
    Sadly it's real. Many BAME conservatives have spent the last couple of weeks receiving copious amounts of racist hate mail, mostly because they don't see themselves as victims but as successes.

    Terms like "coconut" being used, meaning someone brown on the outside but white on the inside.
    Should note that it is not just Tories.

    Sajid Javid and James Cleverly have had that one, but also Chukka Umunna.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006

    MaxPB said:

    WHO: Contact tracing is the key going forward.

    HMG: Our app is not a priority right now. Maybe Winter would be a good time.


    This has become beyond a shambles. Just plain nonsensical and indeed dangerous.



    Arguably the app isn't a good means of contact tracing.
    I think it's a good way of getting people to get a test.
    Yes; see what you mean.
    Sort of on-topic, does anyone know if, when one has a blood test as part of normal medical treatment, the lab now routinely include Coronavirus antibody levels? I ask because I'm soon to have such a test as part of my prostate cancer follow-up.
    I'd be interested to know that too as I've just had a letter to go for a blood test and CT scans as part of my annual kidney-cancer follow up.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    edited June 2020
    Surrey said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    Universities need to act now on free speech on the campus, or the baleful eye of Cummings and the need for 'sector reorganization' will fall on them.

    The last thing we need is for Cummings to start trying to meddle with Universities.

    He would turn them from rather pompous virtue-signalling fellow travellers to full fledged violent anarchists.
    I'd love to see a greater diversity in Universities, with more in the independent sector.

    Some of these people tipping £100-200m into Oxbridge institutes would do a better job by helping create smaller, more specialist universities imo. One of the things that can really underpin an area.

    University of Mansfield .... yum.
    Open University expansion, with online courses that can result in an actual degree qualification for a fraction of the price of residential, in-person courses.

    We need to use modern technology, to change the market for education for the better.
    Agreed the OU should be enormously expanded. Instead a while back the number of courses was cut, payments to tutors were lowered, and fees were trebled or quadrupled, all with little resistance. The University of London too used to encourage independent study as well as external tuition. If even a single reputable university were to open up exams in all subjects to private candidates the stimulus would be there for a growth of a healthy study culture (always assuming it didn't give degrees away like sweeties but then it wouldn't deserve to be reputable any more). That this doesn't happen shows how stuck in the mud universities are.
    You say: "Instead a while back the number of courses was cut, payments to tutors were lowered, and fees were trebled or quadrupled, all with little resistance."

    This was the Conservative`s abolishing of the subsidy for the OU - in order to remove its status as a quasi state university. A superb place - I graduated 8 or so years ago just before the changes were made. I`ll never forgive the CP for that.

    Course fees trebled overnight - and what for me was a good value degree, taken purely personal enrichment rather than for occupational reasons, has been taken from others who would have benefited from a similar experience (who maybe like me left a poor school at age 16). My degree cost about £5k. There is no way I would have paid £15k-£20k.

    That`s why the OU did what it did - it had no choice. It is now not the place that it was. A great shame. Harold Wilson`s finest achievement dismantled out of spite I think.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited June 2020
    Nigelb said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    WHO: Contact tracing is the key going forward.

    HMG: Our app is not a priority right now. Maybe Winter would be a good time.

    This has become beyond a shambles. Just plain nonsensical and indeed dangerous.


    Be comforted by the £1m paint job of Britola Gay.
    Before you start criticising Boris , what about the billions wasted on ludicrously large aircraft carriers that our planes can not land on.. How much was it 9 billion>?>?.. Lets not go there with the NHS Computer debacle either...
    I criticise all three shit decisions, and plenty more. Whats wrong with doing that?
    Dura is on Boris's case.. just pointing out all Govts make shit decisions. none worse than the Labour Party allowing the loon Brown to become PM. He fecked the economy for generations.

    You can blame the Govt of the day for how it has handled elements of the COVID 19 crisis, but the cost is largely unavoidable/
    Rather than reclassifying defence as aid, we should be going the other way.
    The spending we make on pandemic preparedness, improving the health systems of developing countries to detect infectious diseases do more for actually defending the UK public than aircraft carriers.
    Or Trident. As I pointed out above, the most powerful man in the world isn't even aware we have it.

    Some deterrent...



    ... If we were to very quietly cancel the program, would anyone notice ?
    The key is Putin knows we have Trident, the US is an ally of the UK, Putin's Russia is still a threat
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298
    Nigelb said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    WHO: Contact tracing is the key going forward.

    HMG: Our app is not a priority right now. Maybe Winter would be a good time.

    This has become beyond a shambles. Just plain nonsensical and indeed dangerous.


    Be comforted by the £1m paint job of Britola Gay.
    Before you start criticising Boris , what about the billions wasted on ludicrously large aircraft carriers that our planes can not land on.. How much was it 9 billion>?>?.. Lets not go there with the NHS Computer debacle either...
    I criticise all three shit decisions, and plenty more. Whats wrong with doing that?
    Dura is on Boris's case.. just pointing out all Govts make shit decisions. none worse than the Labour Party allowing the loon Brown to become PM. He fecked the economy for generations.

    You can blame the Govt of the day for how it has handled elements of the COVID 19 crisis, but the cost is largely unavoidable/
    Rather than reclassifying defence as aid, we should be going the other way.
    The spending we make on pandemic preparedness, improving the health systems of developing countries to detect infectious diseases do more for actually defending the UK public than aircraft carriers.
    Or Trident. As I pointed out above, the most powerful man in the world isn't even aware we have it.

    Some deterrent...



    ... If we were to very quietly cancel the program, would anyone notice ?
    Agree entirely. But Starmer is in favour of trident I believe, and the Lib Dems now are I think? So the prospects for scrapping it look bleak.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,249

    eristdoof said:

    DavidL said:



    I don't think I will be taking a flight for more than an hour for some time to come. I will do my best to stay away from airports completely. Let's face it they were truly appalling places before this: unbelievably crap service, utterly absurd and pointless security requirements (never, ever caught a terrorist), designed to make a rat in a maze feel good as they pushed you by shops you just might be bored enough to shop in. And now an airborne disease! Fantastic.

    I agree that Airports and Flying is crap, but your comment on terrorism is inappropriate.

    The point of airport security is not to catch terrorists, but to stop them from attempting an attack. This is something which can only be assesed using counterfactuals and so is not really provable.

    In comparison to the early mid & 70s when any political fanatic could hijack a plane it is clear that security measures have reduced the incidence of hijacking considerably. In the USA in 2001 the internal flight security was very lax, and the hijackers' weapons on 11/9/2001 would probably have been detected in a European airport.

    The massively annoying limitation on liquids in hand baggage was more or less introduced overnight due to good intellegence about a planned attack using liquid explosive. This attack did not take place, whether it woud have been succesful had the liquid restiction not been imposed, is unknowable.
    I agree (unenthusiastically) with Eristdoof's point, but in other respects DavidL's summary of the airport experience is a wonderful SeanT-worthy diatribe.

    I have a lot of friends in other countries, so probably will be travelling when allowed to. My airport strategy is to take a large book, find a seat somewhere, set a phone alarm for when I need to board and then ignore everything, especially the shops which bring seedy tax-dodging together with luxury consumerism in a marriage from hell. The possibility of getting ill is still a snag, though.
    I'm Business Class - Fly Me.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Scott_xP said:
    100% correct from Raab there. Conservatives actually taking a conservative position - whatever next?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    Scott_xP said:
    Good for him - a very good answer to the question.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Stocky said:

    kjh said:

    Question for those in the know:

    I thought Ohio was the bell weather state? If Biden is ahead so much everywhere else why is this on a knife edge?

    Ohio hasn't been the tipping point state for a while; It's still a swing state but it's one of the more GOP-leaning ones, especially with Trump being strong with low-education white people. That said, state polling is hard and there hasn't been much of it yet, so I wouldn't pay too much attention to those numbers.
    I backed Dems to win Ohio yesterday. I`ve built up a very large position against Trump already and am looking for opportunities to back Dems in certain individual states.

    I`ve already covered Wisconsin, Florida, N Carolina. Iowa, Arizona and New Hampshire (at longer odds than is currently the case) - and I added Ohio to this tally.

    Ohio has a high population of black people. Polls in Ohio are close and there, no doubt, will be some shy Trumpers, but on balance I thought that there was a bit of value in the 2.18 that I took yesterday. I took all of it I`m afraid.

    My only Rep bet is for them to win Pennsylvania - a small stake at 2.5.
    If Pa. falls to Trump, I can't see a Biden presidency.
    The nightmare scenario is on election night Trump being ahead in PA but after a month of counting Biden wins it.

    Many people missed how incredibly close it got in PA despite being 'decisive' on the night. The counting around Philly was California levels of slow.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    DavidL said:

    Universities need to act now on free speech on the campus, or the baleful eye of Cummings and the need for 'sector reorganization' will fall on them.

    They actually have bigger problems, certainly in Scotland where the Universities are facing a complete shit storm.

    The Scottish government gives £1820 per student with a set number of places. This of course is absolutely unsustainable for anything other than the most basic of institutions so Universities have sought English students (£9250 a pop) and foreign non EU students (up to £24K) to cross subsidise. The Russell group members in particular have been very successful at this allowing the Universities to thrive with an ever smaller part of their cohort being made up of Scottish students.

    Boris has now capped the number of English grants that will be paid to Scottish Universities and the foreigners are not coming because of Covid. The Scottish Government is not able to increase the number of places it funds because it has no money. I am not sure whether the likes of Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow will survive. It really depends on how long the foreign market takes to recover but the clock is ticking

    .
    Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow will survive if the become pro-Scottish. If they don’t, they won’t.

    That is the inevitable consequence of being national institutions funded by the taxpayer. Either you work in the broad interests of the nation or else you try your luck in the free market.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Scott_xP said:

    On topic, at what point can Trump decide he doesn't want to stand?

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1273528083145011202

    If he looks like losing "bigly" would he just walk away from the contest?

    Hilary needs to shut up and stay invisible - and I say that as someone who quite liked her as a candidate
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139

    “An independent Scotland would be back in the EU.”
    Boris Johnson, 17 June 2020

    Remember when they insisted that independence would mean Scotland being kicked out of the EU?

    Jackson Carlaw must tear his hair out every time that buffoon opens his mouth.

    Spain might still veto that because of Catalonia, EFTA might be more realistic
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002

    100% correct from Raab there. Conservatives actually taking a conservative position - whatever next?

    Good for him - a very good answer to the question.

    Protesting Police brutality is "from Game of Thrones", 100% correct, a very good answer?

    Stop drinking so early in the day, guys.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    DavidL said:

    Universities need to act now on free speech on the campus, or the baleful eye of Cummings and the need for 'sector reorganization' will fall on them.

    They actually have bigger problems, certainly in Scotland where the Universities are facing a complete shit storm.

    The Scottish government gives £1820 per student with a set number of places. This of course is absolutely unsustainable for anything other than the most basic of institutions so Universities have sought English students (£9250 a pop) and foreign non EU students (up to £24K) to cross subsidise. The Russell group members in particular have been very successful at this allowing the Universities to thrive with an ever smaller part of their cohort being made up of Scottish students.

    Boris has now capped the number of English grants that will be paid to Scottish Universities and the foreigners are not coming because of Covid. The Scottish Government is not able to increase the number of places it funds because it has no money. I am not sure whether the likes of Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow will survive. It really depends on how long the foreign market takes to recover but the clock is ticking

    Recessions, economic cycles and unexpected difficulties are part of life.

    If universities haven't prepared for those then they haven't been run well.

    DavidL said:

    Universities need to act now on free speech on the campus, or the baleful eye of Cummings and the need for 'sector reorganization' will fall on them.

    They actually have bigger problems, certainly in Scotland where the Universities are facing a complete shit storm.

    The Scottish government gives £1820 per student with a set number of places. This of course is absolutely unsustainable for anything other than the most basic of institutions so Universities have sought English students (£9250 a pop) and foreign non EU students (up to £24K) to cross subsidise. The Russell group members in particular have been very successful at this allowing the Universities to thrive with an ever smaller part of their cohort being made up of Scottish students.

    Boris has now capped the number of English grants that will be paid to Scottish Universities and the foreigners are not coming because of Covid. The Scottish Government is not able to increase the number of places it funds because it has no money. I am not sure whether the likes of Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow will survive. It really depends on how long the foreign market takes to recover but the clock is ticking

    Recessions, economic cycles and unexpected difficulties are part of life.

    If universities haven't prepared for those then they haven't been run well.
    Agreed.

    Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow have been run by charlatans, chancers and marketing men for decades now. They are living in last chance saloon. They need a total clear out and a return to the values of academic excellence.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139

    Got my first two law results back: 72% in Equity and Trusts and 75% in EU law. Pleased so far!

    Well done but surprised EU law is still part of the core UK law courses even post Brexit
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,434
    edited June 2020
    Scott_xP said:
    No Game of Thrones mentioned here. What an idiot Raab is.

    Kaepernick and his 49ers teammate Eric Reid said they choose to kneel during the anthem to call attention to the issues of racial inequality and police brutality. "After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former NFL player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, ... during the anthem, as a peaceful protest," said Reid. "We chose to kneel because it's a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy."
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    Scott_xP said:

    On topic, at what point can Trump decide he doesn't want to stand?

    If he looks like losing "bigly" would he just walk away from the contest?

    That would be such (!) a cheat. Like feigning injury when you're 0/5 love 30 in the 5th. Really hope he doesn't do that. Don't think he will. He'll want to do some rallies and stuff, some negative on Biden, a TV debate, keep a hold of the spotlight to the end, see how it all shakes out.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381

    End of an era with the death of Dame Vera Lynn. I think when the Queen leaves this mortal coil it will really reinforce the sense that World War II is gone.

    They have been marvellous people, and we should remain eternally grateful, but it's time to move on now.

    I suspect you are wrong. My older relatives and former work colleagues from years ago, who partook in WW2 seldom mentioned the war and their role in it with any relish. On the few occassions one could engage in conversation, they were generally factual and not remotely subjective.

    It is the mawkish baby boomers of my generation that like to wrap themselves in the flag and regale stories of their friends and relations' wartime exploits and bravery.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited June 2020
    Scott_xP said:

    100% correct from Raab there. Conservatives actually taking a conservative position - whatever next?

    Good for him - a very good answer to the question.

    Protesting Police brutality is "from Game of Thrones", 100% correct, a very good answer?

    Stop drinking so early in the day, guys.
    Bending the knee has been a sign of subjugation since time immemorial and I don't want my leaders subjugating themselves before Marxist protesters. Hope that helps.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    HYUFD said:

    “An independent Scotland would be back in the EU.”
    Boris Johnson, 17 June 2020

    Remember when they insisted that independence would mean Scotland being kicked out of the EU?

    Jackson Carlaw must tear his hair out every time that buffoon opens his mouth.

    Spain might still veto that because of Catalonia, EFTA might be more realistic
    Also, aliens could invade.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,599

    Mr. xP, blimey. Raab getting something right.

    "Get on your knees, or you're a racist" is nuts. It's weird and cultish.

    Indeed, it felt rather weird watching the football last night, with all the political statements from the players and on their shirts.

    Don't start me on the "Love NHS" logos, treating a healthcare system as a religion is a seriously bad idea.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    rkrkrk said:



    Agree entirely. But Starmer is in favour of trident I believe, and the Lib Dems now are I think? So the prospects for scrapping it look bleak.

    What will happen is a continuation of the current trend of reducing boats, missiles and warheads until it's a D(eterrent)INO. The RN have gone from 4 boats with 16 missiles and 192 warheads to 3 boats, 8 missiles and 40 warheads. The tories have done more actual nuclear disarmament than Corbyn could have dreamt of. It's very much analogous to the QEC carriers; the UK wants the trappings of superpower status but can't afford them.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,285

    End of an era with the death of Dame Vera Lynn. I think when the Queen leaves this mortal coil it will really reinforce the sense that World War II is gone.

    They have been marvellous people, and we should remain eternally grateful, but it's time to move on now.

    Don’t forget Prince Phillip: one of the few WWII veterans still around now.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Alistair said:

    Scott_xP said:

    On topic, at what point can Trump decide he doesn't want to stand?

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1273528083145011202

    If he looks like losing "bigly" would he just walk away from the contest?

    Hilary needs to shut up and stay invisible - and I say that as someone who quite liked her as a candidate
    Generally I agree, although she's media catnip, so there might be a time she's useful for Team Biden to push a message they can't otherwise get attention for.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,805

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    The allegations in the book are Trump wanted the Chinese to buy more US food, supported detention of the Uighur Muslims, called George Bush a 'stupid person' for invading Afghanistan, was mocked by Mike Pompeo and persuaded by Putin not to invade Venezuela and did not know we had nuclear weapons.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53086042

    Will that make the average Trump voter less likely to vote for him though? No. The allegations are more about reinforcing amongst the US elite why they despise Trump and he is unsuited for the office.

    For the average Trump voter in Ohio they might even agree with Trump.

    HYUFD worryingly that makes sense.

    Just like our discussion the other day re Conservatives and freedoms I want you to be wrong. You should be wrong. But there is more than a little niggle that you are actually right.
    Yes, his core supporters will dismiss it all as fake news. What it does do is limit the scope for him pushing out beyond them to anyone who might seriously consider casting their vote for another.

    His core support appears stuck around 40%. It's not enough. He will lose - heavily if the Democrats get their act together.
    I agree with what you have said, but what struck me was that they don't even have to even think this stuff is fake news. Most of the topics that HYUFD astutely highlighted are ones that his supporters can accept and agree with (China to buy more US food, detention for muslims, etc).

    Whereas we can pick out the stuff that makes you think 'Why on earth do his supporters support him', HYUFD identified stuff that makes you think 'That is why his supporters support him'

    It is why I thought HYUFDs post was both good and worrying.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002

    Bending the knee has been a sign of subjugation since time immemorial

    But they're not "bending the knee, they're taking a knee

    It's a totally different thing, for a totally different reason.

    Raab remains an idiot.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,805
    Thanks everyone for the answer on Ohio. Appreciated.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,755
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:
    Wrong sort of BAME for the woke leftist mob.

    Same with Rishi Sunak, Munira Mirza, Kemi Badenoch, Shaun Bailey, Alok Sharma, Bim Afolami, Kwasi Kwarteng, Sajid Javid and many more.
    I don't doubt that ethnic group (and also probably sex) plays a part for some Patel-critics, but it's wrong to say that any critic of Patel is racist/anti-Hindu/whatever.

    Patel is the only person on that list whom I dislike and think is unfit for high office (based on past actions and stated views). I don't know much about Mirza to have a strong view on her, nor Bim Afolami. The others I believe to be decent enough people, even though I would disagree with some of them politically.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Universities need to act now on free speech on the campus, or the baleful eye of Cummings and the need for 'sector reorganization' will fall on them.

    They actually have bigger problems, certainly in Scotland where the Universities are facing a complete shit storm.

    The Scottish government gives £1820 per student with a set number of places. This of course is absolutely unsustainable for anything other than the most basic of institutions so Universities have sought English students (£9250 a pop) and foreign non EU students (up to £24K) to cross subsidise. The Russell group members in particular have been very successful at this allowing the Universities to thrive with an ever smaller part of their cohort being made up of Scottish students.

    Boris has now capped the number of English grants that will be paid to Scottish Universities and the foreigners are not coming because of Covid. The Scottish Government is not able to increase the number of places it funds because it has no money. I am not sure whether the likes of Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow will survive. It really depends on how long the foreign market takes to recover but the clock is ticking

    Recessions, economic cycles and unexpected difficulties are part of life.

    If universities haven't prepared for those then they haven't been run well.
    Then they haven't been run well. They have grown fat on an apparently ever increasing market for their services. English Universities, bloated by the fees they are able to charge are similar. No doubt there is a great deal of blubber to cut but we are at risk of losing bone and muscle too.
    Most English universities are just running their courses online, which means fewer costs while still getting the fees.

    Only Scotland does not have student fees
    “Only Scotland does not have student fees.”

    Bollocks. Austria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Malta, Montenegro, Norway, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Turkey.... and that’s just the other European examples.

    It is England that is an oddity, not Scotland.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    Scott_xP said:
    Sometimes saying nothing really would be the best option.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    On topic, at what point can Trump decide he doesn't want to stand?

    If he looks like losing "bigly" would he just walk away from the contest?

    That would be such (!) a cheat. Like feigning injury when you're 0/5 love 30 in the 5th. Really hope he doesn't do that. Don't think he will. He'll want to do some rallies and stuff, some negative on Biden, a TV debate, keep a hold of the spotlight to the end, see how it all shakes out.
    I`ve said this repeatedly for months. Lay Trump for Next President rather than back Biden or Dems to win. The odds are only marginally inferior and you win if Trump doesn`t stand regardless of what happens in the GE.

    I`ve thought for months that he may petulantly jack it when he becomes convinced he can`t win. He won`t care about leaving the Reps in a bind.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Scott_xP said:

    Bending the knee has been a sign of subjugation since time immemorial

    But they're not "bending the knee, they're taking a knee

    It's a totally different thing, for a totally different reason.

    Raab remains an idiot.
    On the contrary, the only difference is your spin. The gesture's intrinsic meaning remains exactly the same as it has always been, and a visual humbling of the forces of traditional authority is exactly what the protesters want. Well, we shouldn't give it to them, under any circumstances.

    If you want to prostrate yourself, then feel free. But kindly don't drag the rest of us down with you.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381

    Scott_xP said:
    100% correct from Raab there. Conservatives actually taking a conservative position - whatever next?
    Is it that time already? I must be going.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    HYUFD said:

    Got my first two law results back: 72% in Equity and Trusts and 75% in EU law. Pleased so far!

    Well done but surprised EU law is still part of the core UK law courses even post Brexit
    Why? EU case law is still persuasive on the courts post Brexit under the terms of the WA, until it is expressly changed.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    “An independent Scotland would be back in the EU.”
    Boris Johnson, 17 June 2020

    Remember when they insisted that independence would mean Scotland being kicked out of the EU?

    Jackson Carlaw must tear his hair out every time that buffoon opens his mouth.

    Spain might still veto that because of Catalonia, EFTA might be more realistic
    Your grand master was very certain yesterday. Are you disagreeing with him?
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556

    Scott_xP said:
    Sometimes saying nothing really would be the best option.
    Actually, I'm proud of my foreign secretary for standing up to this nonsense. The country didn't overwhelming vote Conservative to sit in cowed silence before this far-left movement.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    Scott_xP said:
    Sometimes saying nothing really would be the best option.
    Actually, I'm proud of my foreign secretary for standing up to this nonsense. The country didn't overwhelming vote Conservative to sit in cowed silence before this far-left movement.
    You’re embarrassing yourself.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    Stocky said:

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    On topic, at what point can Trump decide he doesn't want to stand?

    If he looks like losing "bigly" would he just walk away from the contest?

    That would be such (!) a cheat. Like feigning injury when you're 0/5 love 30 in the 5th. Really hope he doesn't do that. Don't think he will. He'll want to do some rallies and stuff, some negative on Biden, a TV debate, keep a hold of the spotlight to the end, see how it all shakes out.
    I`ve said this repeatedly for months. Lay Trump for Next President rather than back Biden or Dems to win. The odds are only marginally inferior and you win if Trump doesn`t stand regardless of what happens in the GE.

    I`ve thought for months that he may petulantly jack it when he becomes convinced he can`t win. He won`t care about leaving the Reps in a bind.
    Trump is, of course, a psychopath. And psychopaths are surprisingly sensitive when it comes to dents in their own ego. See:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-social-thinker/201801/3-key-traits-may-be-red-flags-psychopathy

    "Narcissists love compliments and lavishly praise anyone who admires or affirms them. The flip side of this coin means that they are extremely sensitive to insults and often respond to criticism with seething rage and retribution. They have what psychologists refer to as “unstable self-esteem.” This means they put themselves on a very high pedestal, but it doesn’t take much to topple them to the ground. What others would perceive as constructive criticism, narcissists see as a declaration of war."

    I`m sure we can all see Trump in that.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,805
    Mr. xP, it's identical.

    "I'm not committing adultery, I'm giving a special naked friendship hug. Why do you have to make everything so sordid?"

    You can call it taking a knee. Or you can call it flying a flag at half mast. It's kneeling.

    But that's all part of this weird cult: demanding participation in strange rituals whilst asserting a refusal to be blindly obedient is proof of bigotry.

    Mr. Sandpit, the clapping was a weird ritual but at least that's over now.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556

    Scott_xP said:
    Sometimes saying nothing really would be the best option.
    Actually, I'm proud of my foreign secretary for standing up to this nonsense. The country didn't overwhelming vote Conservative to sit in cowed silence before this far-left movement.
    You’re embarrassing yourself.
    No, that would be the knee-benders.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002

    On the contrary, the only difference is your spin.

    Raab's an idiot, but I see now why you are such a fan
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,816
    I think the last time sports people were heavily persuaded to do a political sign at sport events was in 30's Germany - That did not end well .FFS dont make players do political signs (or even tolerate them frankly ) -keep sport and politics separate
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:
    Is this a real thing or has The Spectator just invented it for Priti, miffed that she keeps getting it in the neck?
    Sadly it's real. Many BAME conservatives have spent the last couple of weeks receiving copious amounts of racist hate mail, mostly because they don't see themselves as victims but as successes.

    Terms like "coconut" being used, meaning someone brown on the outside but white on the inside.
    Vile racism of course exists, but are people really singling out Hindus? What I hope isn't happening is that the Right, feeling itself late to the identity wars, is now recruiting its own victims to counter the those under the 'protection' of the Left. This would be a very dangerous play if it's happening.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Fishing said:

    's summary of the airport experience is a wonderful SeanT-worthy diatribe.

    I have a lot of friends in other countries, so probably will be travelling when allowed to. My airport strategy is to take a large book, find a seat somewhere, set a phone alarm for when I need to board and then ignore everything, especially the shops which bring seedy tax-dodging together with luxury consumerism in a marriage from hell. The possibility of getting ill is still a snag, though.

    The shops pay for the airport. Would you rather pay an extra £10-30 each time you fly?
    Yes.

    I despise the shits that have polluted airports with tawdry consumerism.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Whether you agree with Raab or not on the subject of taking a knee, it does make you wonder if this is part of a leadership campaign.

    Plenty of reports tory MPs are very unhappy. Maybe they are even less happy than we think.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited June 2020

    Scott_xP said:

    Bending the knee has been a sign of subjugation since time immemorial

    But they're not "bending the knee, they're taking a knee

    It's a totally different thing, for a totally different reason.

    Raab remains an idiot.
    On the contrary, the only difference is your spin. The gesture's intrinsic meaning remains exactly the same as it has always been, and a visual humbling of the forces of traditional authority is exactly what the protesters want. Well, we shouldn't give it to them, under any circumstances.

    If you want to prostrate yourself, then feel free. But kindly don't drag the rest of us down with you.
    You have read Colin Kapearnik's explination right?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139

    HYUFD said:

    “An independent Scotland would be back in the EU.”
    Boris Johnson, 17 June 2020

    Remember when they insisted that independence would mean Scotland being kicked out of the EU?

    Jackson Carlaw must tear his hair out every time that buffoon opens his mouth.

    Spain might still veto that because of Catalonia, EFTA might be more realistic
    Your grand master was very certain yesterday. Are you disagreeing with him?
    As he has said No indyref2 for a generation it is all theory anyway
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139

    HYUFD said:

    Got my first two law results back: 72% in Equity and Trusts and 75% in EU law. Pleased so far!

    Well done but surprised EU law is still part of the core UK law courses even post Brexit
    Why? EU case law is still persuasive on the courts post Brexit under the terms of the WA, until it is expressly changed.
    Could still be covered under an expanded British constitution module
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002

    Mr. xP, it's identical.

    Bollocks

    Who, exactly, was Kapernick swearing fealty to when he knelt down?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,599
    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:
    Wrong sort of BAME for the woke leftist mob.

    Same with Rishi Sunak, Munira Mirza, Kemi Badenoch, Shaun Bailey, Alok Sharma, Bim Afolami, Kwasi Kwarteng, Sajid Javid and many more.
    I don't doubt that ethnic group (and also probably sex) plays a part for some Patel-critics, but it's wrong to say that any critic of Patel is racist/anti-Hindu/whatever.

    Patel is the only person on that list whom I dislike and think is unfit for high office (based on past actions and stated views). I don't know much about Mirza to have a strong view on her, nor Bim Afolami. The others I believe to be decent enough people, even though I would disagree with some of them politically.
    It's perfectly fine to call out Priti Patel for her actions as a politician, just as it's perfectly fine to call out Diane Abbot for hers, without being racist about it.

    Comments such as a cartoon showing her as a cow (in the Guardian this week), or as a coconut in a coconut shy, letters telling her to f*** off back to India or to her parents' corner shop are all blatantly racist and need to be called out as such.

    As one more example:
    https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1272780056331522048
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Alistair said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bending the knee has been a sign of subjugation since time immemorial

    But they're not "bending the knee, they're taking a knee

    It's a totally different thing, for a totally different reason.

    Raab remains an idiot.
    On the contrary, the only difference is your spin. The gesture's intrinsic meaning remains exactly the same as it has always been, and a visual humbling of the forces of traditional authority is exactly what the protesters want. Well, we shouldn't give it to them, under any circumstances.

    If you want to prostrate yourself, then feel free. But kindly don't drag the rest of us down with you.
    You have read Colin Kapearnik's explication right?
    Did someone elect him world president, or are we allowed to use our own judgement to interpret centuries-old gestures? You also can't spell his name, amusingly.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,222
    Stocky said:

    Surrey said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    Universities need to act now on free speech on the campus, or the baleful eye of Cummings and the need for 'sector reorganization' will fall on them.

    The last thing we need is for Cummings to start trying to meddle with Universities.

    He would turn them from rather pompous virtue-signalling fellow travellers to full fledged violent anarchists.
    I'd love to see a greater diversity in Universities, with more in the independent sector.

    Some of these people tipping £100-200m into Oxbridge institutes would do a better job by helping create smaller, more specialist universities imo. One of the things that can really underpin an area.

    University of Mansfield .... yum.
    Open University expansion, with online courses that can result in an actual degree qualification for a fraction of the price of residential, in-person courses.

    We need to use modern technology, to change the market for education for the better.
    Agreed the OU should be enormously expanded. Instead a while back the number of courses was cut, payments to tutors were lowered, and fees were trebled or quadrupled, all with little resistance. The University of London too used to encourage independent study as well as external tuition. If even a single reputable university were to open up exams in all subjects to private candidates the stimulus would be there for a growth of a healthy study culture (always assuming it didn't give degrees away like sweeties but then it wouldn't deserve to be reputable any more). That this doesn't happen shows how stuck in the mud universities are.
    You say: "Instead a while back the number of courses was cut, payments to tutors were lowered, and fees were trebled or quadrupled, all with little resistance."

    This was the Conservative`s abolishing of the subsidy for the OU - in order to remove its status as a quasi state university. A superb place - I graduated 8 or so years ago just before the changes were made. I`ll never forgive the CP for that.

    Course fees trebled overnight - and what for me was a good value degree, taken purely personal enrichment rather than for occupational reasons, has been taken from others who would have benefited from a similar experience (who maybe like me left a poor school at age 16). My degree cost about £5k. There is no way I would have paid £15k-£20k.

    That`s why the OU did what it did - it had no choice. It is now not the place that it was. A great shame. Harold Wilson`s finest achievement dismantled out of spite I think.
    Or stupidity.
    Otherwise, entirely agree.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862

    DavidL said:

    Universities need to act now on free speech on the campus, or the baleful eye of Cummings and the need for 'sector reorganization' will fall on them.

    They actually have bigger problems, certainly in Scotland where the Universities are facing a complete shit storm.

    The Scottish government gives £1820 per student with a set number of places. This of course is absolutely unsustainable for anything other than the most basic of institutions so Universities have sought English students (£9250 a pop) and foreign non EU students (up to £24K) to cross subsidise. The Russell group members in particular have been very successful at this allowing the Universities to thrive with an ever smaller part of their cohort being made up of Scottish students.

    Boris has now capped the number of English grants that will be paid to Scottish Universities and the foreigners are not coming because of Covid. The Scottish Government is not able to increase the number of places it funds because it has no money. I am not sure whether the likes of Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow will survive. It really depends on how long the foreign market takes to recover but the clock is ticking

    .
    Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow will survive if the become pro-Scottish. If they don’t, they won’t.

    That is the inevitable consequence of being national institutions funded by the taxpayer. Either you work in the broad interests of the nation or else you try your luck in the free market.
    They will not survive on £1820 per student, not as serious research funding Universities anyway. Contrary to your assertions to @another_Richard these Universities have been very successful export businesses who have thrived in the international market place despite being hobbled at home because their government wants to make political points. But they are in real trouble right now and the exposure of their dependence upon English subsidy (through English students paying 5x their Scottish cohort) has been exposed.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:
    Wrong sort of BAME for the woke leftist mob.

    Same with Rishi Sunak, Munira Mirza, Kemi Badenoch, Shaun Bailey, Alok Sharma, Bim Afolami, Kwasi Kwarteng, Sajid Javid and many more.
    I don't doubt that ethnic group (and also probably sex) plays a part for some Patel-critics, but it's wrong to say that any critic of Patel is racist/anti-Hindu/whatever.

    Patel is the only person on that list whom I dislike and think is unfit for high office (based on past actions and stated views). I don't know much about Mirza to have a strong view on her, nor Bim Afolami. The others I believe to be decent enough people, even though I would disagree with some of them politically.
    What's not to like about her membership of a pro-IRA Communist political group.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Love that from Raab. Seems very in touch with the public.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    edited June 2020

    Whether you agree with Raab or not on the subject of taking a knee, it does make you wonder if this is part of a leadership campaign.

    Plenty of reports tory MPs are very unhappy. Maybe they are even less happy than we think.

    This is my thought also.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    Scott_xP said:

    Bending the knee has been a sign of subjugation since time immemorial

    But they're not "bending the knee, they're taking a knee

    It's a totally different thing, for a totally different reason.

    Raab remains an idiot.
    I agree. It`s not the same thing. It`s to show sympathy and solidarity with the disgusting killing of Floyd, mirroring the method of his death.

    Raab is right not to do it though. Like me he will feel awful about the death of Floyd but will not feel the need to demonstrate this graphically.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,805
    And on Rhodes, a man who lost his job for quoting Shakespeare has an interesting observation:
    https://twitter.com/AlStewartOBE/status/1273535656548073472
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Universities need to act now on free speech on the campus, or the baleful eye of Cummings and the need for 'sector reorganization' will fall on them.

    They actually have bigger problems, certainly in Scotland where the Universities are facing a complete shit storm.

    The Scottish government gives £1820 per student with a set number of places. This of course is absolutely unsustainable for anything other than the most basic of institutions so Universities have sought English students (£9250 a pop) and foreign non EU students (up to £24K) to cross subsidise. The Russell group members in particular have been very successful at this allowing the Universities to thrive with an ever smaller part of their cohort being made up of Scottish students.

    Boris has now capped the number of English grants that will be paid to Scottish Universities and the foreigners are not coming because of Covid. The Scottish Government is not able to increase the number of places it funds because it has no money. I am not sure whether the likes of Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow will survive. It really depends on how long the foreign market takes to recover but the clock is ticking

    Recessions, economic cycles and unexpected difficulties are part of life.

    If universities haven't prepared for those then they haven't been run well.
    Then they haven't been run well. They have grown fat on an apparently ever increasing market for their services. English Universities, bloated by the fees they are able to charge are similar. No doubt there is a great deal of blubber to cut but we are at risk of losing bone and muscle too.
    Most English universities are just running their courses online, which means fewer costs while still getting the fees.

    Only Scotland does not have student fees
    “Only Scotland does not have student fees.”

    Bollocks. Austria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Malta, Montenegro, Norway, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Turkey.... and that’s just the other European examples.

    It is England that is an oddity, not Scotland.
    Not in the Anglosphere and English universities still have a reliable income because of those fees for online courses
  • RobCRobC Posts: 398
    Stocky said:

    Stocky said:

    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    On topic, at what point can Trump decide he doesn't want to stand?

    If he looks like losing "bigly" would he just walk away from the contest?

    That would be such (!) a cheat. Like feigning injury when you're 0/5 love 30 in the 5th. Really hope he doesn't do that. Don't think he will. He'll want to do some rallies and stuff, some negative on Biden, a TV debate, keep a hold of the spotlight to the end, see how it all shakes out.
    I`ve said this repeatedly for months. Lay Trump for Next President rather than back Biden or Dems to win. The odds are only marginally inferior and you win if Trump doesn`t stand regardless of what happens in the GE.

    I`ve thought for months that he may petulantly jack it when he becomes convinced he can`t win. He won`t care about leaving the Reps in a bind.
    Trump is, of course, a psychopath. And psychopaths are surprisingly sensitive when it comes to dents in their own ego. See:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-social-thinker/201801/3-key-traits-may-be-red-flags-psychopathy

    "Narcissists love compliments and lavishly praise anyone who admires or affirms them. The flip side of this coin means that they are extremely sensitive to insults and often respond to criticism with seething rage and retribution. They have what psychologists refer to as “unstable self-esteem.” This means they put themselves on a very high pedestal, but it doesn’t take much to topple them to the ground. What others would perceive as constructive criticism, narcissists see as a declaration of war."

    I`m sure we can all see Trump in that.
    Is Trump is a sociopath or psychopath or are they connected?

    Walking away rather than allowing himself to be defeated doesn't seem impossible either way.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,434
    If the NFL players who started this were subjugating themselves by taking the knee why did it upset Trump and all the racists?
  • Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:
    Is this a real thing or has The Spectator just invented it for Priti, miffed that she keeps getting it in the neck?
    Sadly it's real. Many BAME conservatives have spent the last couple of weeks receiving copious amounts of racist hate mail, mostly because they don't see themselves as victims but as successes.

    Terms like "coconut" being used, meaning someone brown on the outside but white on the inside.
    Vile racism of course exists, but are people really singling out Hindus? What I hope isn't happening is that the Right, feeling itself late to the identity wars, is now recruiting its own victims to counter the those under the 'protection' of the Left. This would be a very dangerous play if it's happening.
    What I find most worrying at the moment is that there's a mutual incomprehension on both left and right that both sides are involved in identity wars.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    Alistair said:

    HYUFD said:

    “An independent Scotland would be back in the EU.”
    Boris Johnson, 17 June 2020

    Remember when they insisted that independence would mean Scotland being kicked out of the EU?

    Jackson Carlaw must tear his hair out every time that buffoon opens his mouth.

    Spain might still veto that because of Catalonia, EFTA might be more realistic
    Also, aliens could invade.
    The chances of that are surely a million to one.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Alistair said:

    Scott_xP said:

    On topic, at what point can Trump decide he doesn't want to stand?

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1273528083145011202

    If he looks like losing "bigly" would he just walk away from the contest?

    Hilary needs to shut up and stay invisible - and I say that as someone who quite liked her as a candidate
    She's promoting the new biog documentary I guess. Maybe there is a book as well.

    Get her husband out campaigning for Biden.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139

    DavidL said:

    Universities need to act now on free speech on the campus, or the baleful eye of Cummings and the need for 'sector reorganization' will fall on them.

    They actually have bigger problems, certainly in Scotland where the Universities are facing a complete shit storm.

    The Scottish government gives £1820 per student with a set number of places. This of course is absolutely unsustainable for anything other than the most basic of institutions so Universities have sought English students (£9250 a pop) and foreign non EU students (up to £24K) to cross subsidise. The Russell group members in particular have been very successful at this allowing the Universities to thrive with an ever smaller part of their cohort being made up of Scottish students.

    Boris has now capped the number of English grants that will be paid to Scottish Universities and the foreigners are not coming because of Covid. The Scottish Government is not able to increase the number of places it funds because it has no money. I am not sure whether the likes of Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow will survive. It really depends on how long the foreign market takes to recover but the clock is ticking

    .
    Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow will survive if the become pro-Scottish. If they don’t, they won’t.

    That is the inevitable consequence of being national institutions funded by the taxpayer. Either you work in the broad interests of the nation or else you try your luck in the free market.
    Those 3 are the only world class universities Scotland has, lose those, lose world class higher education in Scotland
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Scott_xP said:

    Mr. xP, it's identical.

    Bollocks

    Who, exactly, was Kapernick swearing fealty to when he knelt down?
    And of course Kapernick has won many elections with his stance, as have black lives matter.

    Its not like society is caving in to a bunch of Marxists who have never been tested at the ballot box and have precisely zero popular support!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    “An independent Scotland would be back in the EU.”
    Boris Johnson, 17 June 2020

    Remember when they insisted that independence would mean Scotland being kicked out of the EU?

    Jackson Carlaw must tear his hair out every time that buffoon opens his mouth.

    Spain might still veto that because of Catalonia, EFTA might be more realistic
    Your grand master was very certain yesterday. Are you disagreeing with him?
    As he has said No indyref2 for a generation it is all theory anyway
    The water is rising behind the dam. Keep up the good work. And start building an ark.

    The Tories went in two by two,
    the buffoon and the charlatan too.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    Brom said:

    Love that from Raab. Seems very in touch with the public.

    As long as none of them have ever seen Game of Thrones. They all think he's an idiot.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    Scott_xP said:

    Bending the knee has been a sign of subjugation since time immemorial

    But they're not "bending the knee, they're taking a knee

    It's a totally different thing, for a totally different reason.

    Raab remains an idiot.
    BB is just trying to stir up the culture war again as it's a wonderful distraction from the continuing incompetence of the government he supports. Straight out of Trump's playbook.

    With every PL football team taking the knee comments like BB's just look idiotic. Did they learn nothing from the Rashford incident. Far more people will take their lead from PL footballers than an arrogant lightweight like Raab.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    On topic the big stuff is on China: Asked Xi to help him get reelection, called him the greatest leader in Chinese history, said the Uighur concentration camps were a good idea.

    This is important because opposition to China was supposed to be Trump's big - um - trump card that was going to let him get away with bollocksing up the rona response.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862

    Got my first two law results back: 72% in Equity and Trusts and 75% in EU law. Pleased so far!

    Well done. PB desperately needed another lawyer!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,929
    edited June 2020
    HYUFD said:
    Funny thing is, the only couple of times I've been round the back of Whitehall, the Clive statue was surrounded by Indian students. I've no idea what their teachers told them, and that might in any case be changed now, but at the time my thought was that if India thought Clive important then maybe HMG should refurbish the statue which looked a bit shabby. On the other hand, there are no statues of Hermann Goering despite his crucial role in London's town planning.

    Continuing this theme despite wandering off-topic, some American big cheeses visiting our company were disappointed that a statue to some early American settlers (off Cheapside iirc) was a bit faded.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:
    Is this a real thing or has The Spectator just invented it for Priti, miffed that she keeps getting it in the neck?
    Sadly it's real. Many BAME conservatives have spent the last couple of weeks receiving copious amounts of racist hate mail, mostly because they don't see themselves as victims but as successes.

    Terms like "coconut" being used, meaning someone brown on the outside but white on the inside.
    Labour BAME politicians have been receiving masses of racist hate mail for years but Tories have never seemed too concerned about that.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Scott_xP said:

    Brom said:

    Love that from Raab. Seems very in touch with the public.

    As long as none of them have ever seen Game of Thrones. They all think he's an idiot.
    I've never watched Game of Thrones. But clearly the general public won't be taking a knee soon so he's bang on. Raab has very much impressed this year, and I certainly had some doubts prior to his appointment in the foreign office,
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Stocky said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:
    Wrong sort of BAME for the woke leftist mob.

    Same with Rishi Sunak, Munira Mirza, Kemi Badenoch, Shaun Bailey, Alok Sharma, Bim Afolami, Kwasi Kwarteng, Sajid Javid and many more.
    Splitters
    It can go the other way too. I had an Indian neighbour for 8 years who opened my eyes to the intra-Indian "race" and caste battles and skirmishes. He said he suffered more racism from other Asians than he ever got from white people.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Universities need to act now on free speech on the campus, or the baleful eye of Cummings and the need for 'sector reorganization' will fall on them.

    They actually have bigger problems, certainly in Scotland where the Universities are facing a complete shit storm.

    The Scottish government gives £1820 per student with a set number of places. This of course is absolutely unsustainable for anything other than the most basic of institutions so Universities have sought English students (£9250 a pop) and foreign non EU students (up to £24K) to cross subsidise. The Russell group members in particular have been very successful at this allowing the Universities to thrive with an ever smaller part of their cohort being made up of Scottish students.

    Boris has now capped the number of English grants that will be paid to Scottish Universities and the foreigners are not coming because of Covid. The Scottish Government is not able to increase the number of places it funds because it has no money. I am not sure whether the likes of Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow will survive. It really depends on how long the foreign market takes to recover but the clock is ticking

    .
    Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow will survive if the become pro-Scottish. If they don’t, they won’t.

    That is the inevitable consequence of being national institutions funded by the taxpayer. Either you work in the broad interests of the nation or else you try your luck in the free market.
    Those 3 are the only world class universities Scotland has, lose those, lose world class higher education in Scotland
    Says Rupert Murdoch.

    The rest of the planet does not see the world through those London-tinted spectacles that so distort your vision.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    OllyT said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:
    Is this a real thing or has The Spectator just invented it for Priti, miffed that she keeps getting it in the neck?
    Sadly it's real. Many BAME conservatives have spent the last couple of weeks receiving copious amounts of racist hate mail, mostly because they don't see themselves as victims but as successes.

    Terms like "coconut" being used, meaning someone brown on the outside but white on the inside.
    Labour BAME politicians have been receiving masses of racist hate mail for years but Tories have never seemed too concerned about that.
    Ditto the tory ones to silence from labour.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited June 2020
    OllyT said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bending the knee has been a sign of subjugation since time immemorial

    But they're not "bending the knee, they're taking a knee

    It's a totally different thing, for a totally different reason.

    Raab remains an idiot.
    BB is just trying to stir up the culture war again as it's a wonderful distraction from the continuing incompetence of the government he supports. Straight out of Trump's playbook.

    With every PL football team taking the knee comments like BB's just look idiotic. Did they learn nothing from the Rashford incident. Far more people will take their lead from PL footballers than an arrogant lightweight like Raab.
    Ah yes, people should take their lead from unelected footballers. Good to know that you've given away any right to complain about government via 'populism' ever again.

    And in case you haven't been paying attention, it was the protesters who started the culture war, and who are pressing ever forwards with it.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,805
    Mr. xP, kneeling can also occur at marriage proposals and when being knighted. I didn't say he was swearing fealty. I said that when he was kneeling, he was kneeling.
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