I also fully expect a further ratcheting of the rules in the coming days and weeks. There will be even less jobs deemed as essential as time goes on and if people start taking the piss with 3hr road trips etc.
One thing I would have done, make everybody who is in the "essential worker" category do an application online with ID / proof and for instance in London your oyster card won't work without approval and you have a print out which can be checked if asked.
@kle4 I think Boris prevaricated because at the start because he essentially doesn't believe in the state.....
It would be the same if we had Corbyn in charge if we were attacked by the Russians....
Ultimately they would both do the right thing.....but their political ideology slows them down....
NHS frontline staff are woefully unprotected...this is today....this is due to the Govt not taking the threat seriously enough at the outset (ideological) and not having the organisational ability how to do it (competence)
So does everyone in the NHS need Boris Johnson to tell them to order more PPE ?
Nobody capable of doing so on their own initiative ?
I cannot begin to tell you how woefully unprepared the NHS is in London are today....we had probably 2 months.....at least 2 protective clothing for staff....
ICU beds are another matter and technical equipment....but at least protective equipment....
Other stuff would have been easy too..accommodation nearby for those who can take it....the staff are using public transport...they are not even getting access to use the car parks for free
A few months back I needed some safety shoes for work, I sorted it out myself.
If hospitals are short of PPE they should have ordered more - that could have been prompted from the hospital management, the H&S dept, the purchasing dept, or any front line staff.
This "Boris hasn't provided enough PPE" is bollox.
People have to shown initiative in this world if they want to sort out problems.
My colleagues and I have been buying our own surgical scrubs to change into for work, so we don't contaminate our civilian clothes. Things are that bad, we are taking them home to wash at 60C. Don't believe me? Look at delivery times for scrubs on Amazon.
I also fully expect a further ratcheting of the rules in the coming days and weeks. There will be even less jobs deemed as essential as time goes on and if people start taking the piss with 3hr road trips etc.
"You may leave your bedroom once a day, to exercise your bladder and sphincter muscles, but only after receiving permission of the Home Office"
I also fully expect a further ratcheting of the rules in the coming days and weeks. There will be even less jobs deemed as essential as time goes on and if people start taking the piss with 3hr road trips etc.
"You may leave your bedroom once a day, to exercise your bladder and sphincter muscles, but only after receiving permission of the Home Office"
All those who cheered Merkel and Macron for announcing exactly the same things as this are now on the media going well we can't do this, because...
You think in Germany they can enforce no more than your family and one other to be together. From a distance, how do you know its 2 brothers and a friend, not 3 friends. They can't. That's not the point.
Is there an opposite of British exceptionalism?
Oikophobia. Which astonishingly enough does not mean 'fear of oiks'
Edit: Although in practice many oikophobes also happen to be oik-phobes, so...
If you have a girlfriend you don’t live with, you can’t see each other? Single people are fucked!
STDs will be through the floor
I wonder what the scoop is for separated couples that split custody of their kids. Changeovers in the park?
Sunday was my son's "turn" with his son. His plan was to go out with him while my son's wife went out separately with their daughter. But the town was so full of fecking eejits who thought it was a nice day to visit the seaside, that they decided to stay in. My grandson has gone back to his mum now, and my son doesn't know when he will see him again.
If you have a girlfriend you don’t live with, you can’t see each other? Single people are fucked!
STDs will be through the floor
I wonder what the scoop is for separated couples that split custody of their kids. Changeovers in the park?
My daughter just asked same question, the answer is that because the rules are so lax and the policing impossible you just carry on as normal.
Not sure it’s what you can get away with, though. It’s what is the right thing to do. It’s a really tricky one.
Yes but I assume you make sure first that no one is self isolating etc, it may also depends on what jobs they do but as always common sense needs to prevail.
I was feeling a bit stressed about this earlier. And then I remembered that nearly every single person on the planet is going through the same thing or worse. I don’t think in human history there has ever been anything like it. Maybe Covid-19 will be the aliens in Independence Day that force the world to work together.
The direction of travel is clear, but the restrictions announced by the UK prime minister still fall short of the measures in place in many European countries, where most people can’t now leave their houses without a special permit.
In Italy and Spain even outdoor exercise is banned. Thousands of people who break the rules have already been hit with fines, and in some countries prison sentences can be imposed.
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Dickhead....still not tough enough for you. We have essentially the same rules as Germany.
There is literally nothing the government can do without somebody going but but but...
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
Can't you get them delivered? Why would you need to go out to get them?
Good point. Could do that.
I need soil (compost) too.
Hmm.
If hardware stores are still open, some B&Qs have garden centres in them...
There's a wicks I can walk to with 10 mins of my house.
The direction of travel is clear, but the restrictions announced by the UK prime minister still fall short of the measures in place in many European countries, where most people can’t now leave their houses without a special permit.
In Italy and Spain even outdoor exercise is banned. Thousands of people who break the rules have already been hit with fines, and in some countries prison sentences can be imposed.
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Dickhead....still not tough enough for you. We have essentially the same rules as Germany.
There is literally nothing the government can do without somebody going but but but...
Some people won't be satisfied until we have a Stasi-like network of informants ratting on anyone daring to poke their head out the door.
Yes. I just hope in finally sinks in amongst the 10% or so who seem to think they are having a holiday.
Doubt it. We went out early for our walk down the marina (My wife correctly foresaw that this was 'it' and wanted one last look at the sea in her lifetime - as she put it). People out and about. Very few engaging in social distancing (ie, made no effort to move aside for us, we always had to for them).
There will be a lot in lockdown already but for those that weren't, they really weren't. Without the words, "Must" they just treated it all as a bit of fun.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
Can't you get them delivered? Why would you need to go out to get them?
Good point. Could do that.
I need soil (compost) too.
Hmm.
If hardware stores are still open, some B&Qs have garden centres in them...
There's a wicks I can walk to with 10 mins of my house.
Assuming they're still open tomorrow...
I have tried to order seeds etc online today. Been tricky. One order went through, another crashed.
At some point in the next few weeks, we are likely to go further and if someone in a household has those symptoms, we will be asking everyone in the household to stay at home. We are not introducing this yet for reasons Sir Patrick will explain, but I want to signal now that this is coming down the track.
20 days ago Boris was telling us he was shaking hands with everyone in a hospital treating Covid-19 patients.
Are you highlighting that because you feel it's misleading?
@kle4 I think Boris prevaricated because at the start because he essentially doesn't believe in the state.....
It would be the same if we had Corbyn in charge if we were attacked by the Russians....
Ultimately they would both do the right thing.....but their political ideology slows them down....
NHS frontline staff are woefully unprotected...this is today....this is due to the Govt not taking the threat seriously enough at the outset (ideological) and not having the organisational ability how to do it (competence)
So does everyone in the NHS need Boris Johnson to tell them to order more PPE ?
Nobody capable of doing so on their own initiative ?
I cannot begin to tell you how woefully unprepared the NHS is in London are today....we had probably 2 months.....at least 2 protective clothing for staff....
ICU beds are another matter and technical equipment....but at least protective equipment....
Other stuff would have been easy too..accommodation nearby for those who can take it....the staff are using public transport...they are not even getting access to use the car parks for free
A few months back I needed some safety shoes for work, I sorted it out myself.
If hospitals are short of PPE they should have ordered more - that could have been prompted from the hospital management, the H&S dept, the purchasing dept, or any front line staff.
This "Boris hasn't provided enough PPE" is bollox.
People have to shown initiative in this world if they want to sort out problems.
My colleagues and I have been buying our own surgical scrubs to change into for work, so we don't contaminate our civilian clothes. Things are that bad, we are taking them home to wash at 60C. Don't believe me? Look at delivery times for scrubs on Amazon.
And don't get me started on masks and gowns.
Well done and make sure you put in a full expense claim.
And let those who should have been organising PPE know that they need to up their game.
I was feeling a bit stressed about this earlier. And then I remembered that nearly every single person on the planet is going through the same thing or worse. I don’t think in human history there has ever been anything like it. Maybe Covid-19 will be the aliens in Independence Day that force the world to work together.
That is literally the first time I have agreed with anything that knob has said. They can break up gatherings, they can close shops, but the two walks a day thing needs Chinese style facial recognition technology.
I suspect the powers won't be used to tell people off for jogging alone, but instead for breaking up gatherings. If you are sensible and are walking alone, I don't see there being much of a problem. The advice for one walk a day is just to get people to go outside as infrequently as possible. If 90% of people follow this advice, then no large-scale enforcement will actually be needed.
That is literally the first time I have agreed with anything that knob has said. They can break up gatherings, they can close shops, but the two walks a day thing needs Chinese style facial recognition technology.
I suspect the powers won't be used to tell people off for jogging alone, but instead for breaking up gatherings. If you are sensible and are walking alone, I don't see there being much of a problem. The advice for one walk a day is just to get people to go outside as infrequently as possible. If 90% of people follow this advice, then no large-scale enforcement will actually be needed.
Why is the chairman of the UK police federations saying this? It's just undermining the government's attempt at a lockdown to help stop the spread of the disease.
OT, weird thing about the US is that the president is GOP, but all the narrowest-margin swing states have Dem governors. And the decisions that affect people's lives directly mostly come from their governors.
It's really hard to tell whether people are going to be rallying behind their leaders or hopping mad with them, but one permutation is a weird dynamic where Dems lose the states where they're narrowly behind and make pickups in the places that are a stretch, like Georgia, Arizona and Texas.
Yes. I just hope in finally sinks in amongst the 10% or so who seem to think they are having a holiday.
Doubt it. We went out early for our walk down the marina (My wife correctly foresaw that this was 'it' and wanted one last look at the sea in her lifetime - as she put it). People out and about. Very few engaging in social distancing (ie, made no effort to move aside for us, we always had to for them).
There will be a lot in lockdown already but for those that weren't, they really weren't. Without the words, "Must" they just treated it all as a bit of fun.
My goodness! A little Dunkirk spirit please. It's bad, but not necessarily that bad...yet!
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
Can't you get them delivered? Why would you need to go out to get them?
Good point. Could do that.
I need soil (compost) too.
Hmm.
If hardware stores are still open, some B&Qs have garden centres in them...
There's a wicks I can walk to with 10 mins of my house.
Assuming they're still open tomorrow...
Aren’t you now confined to the island?
Lol. My wife has made worrying faces tonight to the same effect!
@kle4 I think Boris prevaricated because at the start because he essentially doesn't believe in the state.....
It would be the same if we had Corbyn in charge if we were attacked by the Russians....
Ultimately they would both do the right thing.....but their political ideology slows them down....
NHS frontline staff are woefully unprotected...this is today....this is due to the Govt not taking the threat seriously enough at the outset (ideological) and not having the organisational ability how to do it (competence)
So does everyone in the NHS need Boris Johnson to tell them to order more PPE ?
Nobody capable of doing so on their own initiative ?
I cannot begin to tell you how woefully unprepared the NHS is in London are today....we had probably 2 months.....at least 2 protective clothing for staff....
ICU beds are another matter and technical equipment....but at least protective equipment....
Other stuff would have been easy too..accommodation nearby for those who can take it....the staff are using public transport...they are not even getting access to use the car parks for free
A few months back I needed some safety shoes for work, I sorted it out myself.
If hospitals are short of PPE they should have ordered more - that could have been prompted from the hospital management, the H&S dept, the purchasing dept, or any front line staff.
This "Boris hasn't provided enough PPE" is bollox.
People have to shown initiative in this world if they want to sort out problems.
My colleagues and I have been buying our own surgical scrubs to change into for work, so we don't contaminate our civilian clothes. Things are that bad, we are taking them home to wash at 60C. Don't believe me? Look at delivery times for scrubs on Amazon.
And don't get me started on masks and gowns.
What do you identify as the reason you haven't been provided with the tools you need?
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?
The police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
We are all Catalonians now, apparently...
You can always count on HYUFD to bring in the use of guns and the military somewhere in our own country.
Sorry but he has lost it recently
Do you think if HYUFD was in Cummings' position he would have advised Boris' to have worn a General's uniform for today's broadcast?
I think he would, and it would have added to the gravitas.
Interesting to note Boris is now the closest we have had to a dictator since Cromwell, albeit an elected one and with extraordinary powers necessitated by a health emergency.
By your reasoning Angela Merkel ist the closest that Western Germany has had to a dictator since Adolf Hitler.
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
Wonder if this will work. Will people stay at home?
They will have to, as Boris stated if they do not police will arrest and fine them if they are not out for a legitimate reason.
We are about to become the closest we have been to a police state for the next 12 weeks since the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell in the 1650s, with even tighter restrictions than during the Blitz
No it will only work by compliance, the one situation that I can see police getting involved in is gatherings in public places, the rest remains up to the individual. I run the risk of being stopped each time I’m out and need ID and a valid reason to be out, easy up till eight but more difficult afterwards. I’m not sure how you think the UK police can enforce this?
The police have the water cannon, the rubber bullets and ultimately the guns, as do the military
We are all Catalonians now, apparently...
You can always count on HYUFD to bring in the use of guns and the military somewhere in our own country.
Sorry but he has lost it recently
Do you think if HYUFD was in Cummings' position he would have advised Boris' to have worn a General's uniform for today's broadcast?
I think he would, and it would have added to the gravitas.
Interesting to note Boris is now the closest we have had to a dictator since Cromwell, albeit an elected one and with extraordinary powers necessitated by a health emergency.
By your reasoning Angela Merkel ist the closest that Western Germany has had to a dictator since Adolf Hitler.
@kle4 I think Boris prevaricated because at the start because he essentially doesn't believe in the state.....
It would be the same if we had Corbyn in charge if we were attacked by the Russians....
Ultimately they would both do the right thing.....but their political ideology slows them down....
NHS frontline staff are woefully unprotected...this is today....this is due to the Govt not taking the threat seriously enough at the outset (ideological) and not having the organisational ability how to do it (competence)
So does everyone in the NHS need Boris Johnson to tell them to order more PPE ?
Nobody capable of doing so on their own initiative ?
I cannot begin to tell you how woefully unprepared the NHS is in London are today....we had probably 2 months.....at least 2 protective clothing for staff....
ICU beds are another matter and technical equipment....but at least protective equipment....
Other stuff would have been easy too..accommodation nearby for those who can take it....the staff are using public transport...they are not even getting access to use the car parks for free
A few months back I needed some safety shoes for work, I sorted it out myself.
If hospitals are short of PPE they should have ordered more - that could have been prompted from the hospital management, the H&S dept, the purchasing dept, or any front line staff.
This "Boris hasn't provided enough PPE" is bollox.
People have to shown initiative in this world if they want to sort out problems.
My colleagues and I have been buying our own surgical scrubs to change into for work, so we don't contaminate our civilian clothes. Things are that bad, we are taking them home to wash at 60C. Don't believe me? Look at delivery times for scrubs on Amazon.
And don't get me started on masks and gowns.
Well done and make sure you put in a full expense claim.
And let those who should have been organising PPE know that they need to up their game.
When this is all over, there will be a public inquiry along the lines of the Crimean War.
The direction of travel is clear, but the restrictions announced by the UK prime minister still fall short of the measures in place in many European countries, where most people can’t now leave their houses without a special permit.
In Italy and Spain even outdoor exercise is banned. Thousands of people who break the rules have already been hit with fines, and in some countries prison sentences can be imposed.
----
Dickhead....still not tough enough for you. We have essentially the same rules as Germany.
There is literally nothing the government can do without somebody going but but but...
Some people won't be satisfied until we have a Stasi-like network of informants ratting on anyone daring to poke their head out the door.
Indeed. These measures should be good enough to get the infection rate right down.
The sad thing is the ill-informed (including plenty of journalists) will shit the bed in less than 72 hours as cases continue to increase not realising it takes 2-3 weeks for the effects of such measures to filter through.
All non-essential shops are closing, excluded are food shops, pharmacies, corner shops, hardware stores, petrol stations, pet shops, post offices, banks, newsagents and shops inside hospitals.
Garden centre exclusion would be helpful.
I haven't bought all my seeds and plants yet - wanted to grow to eat them.
Can't you get them delivered? Why would you need to go out to get them?
Good point. Could do that.
I need soil (compost) too.
Hmm.
If hardware stores are still open, some B&Qs have garden centres in them...
There's a wicks I can walk to with 10 mins of my house.
Assuming they're still open tomorrow...
Aren’t you now confined to the island?
Lol. My wife has made worrying faces tonight to the same effect!
Why? It has everything you might need, apart from a decent hospital.
Why is the chairman of the UK police federations saying this? It's just undermining the government's attempt at a lockdown to help stop the spread of the disease.
The direction of travel is clear, but the restrictions announced by the UK prime minister still fall short of the measures in place in many European countries, where most people can’t now leave their houses without a special permit.
In Italy and Spain even outdoor exercise is banned. Thousands of people who break the rules have already been hit with fines, and in some countries prison sentences can be imposed.
----
Dickhead....still not tough enough for you. We have essentially the same rules as Germany.
There is literally nothing the government can do without somebody going but but but...
Some people won't be satisfied until we have a Stasi-like network of informants ratting on anyone daring to poke their head out the door.
Indeed. These measures should be good enough to get the infection rate right down.
The sad thing is the ill-informed (including plenty of journalists) will shit the bed in less than 72 hours as cases continue to increase not realising it takes 2-3 weeks for the effects of such measures to filter through.
All those who cheered Merkel and Macron for announcing exactly the same things as this are now on the media going well we can't do this, because...
You think in Germany they can enforce no more than your family and one other to be together. From a distance, how do you know its 2 brothers and a friend, not 3 friends. They can't. That's not the point.
It is mass gatherings they want to break up, not 2 or 3 people
The direction of travel is clear, but the restrictions announced by the UK prime minister still fall short of the measures in place in many European countries, where most people can’t now leave their houses without a special permit.
In Italy and Spain even outdoor exercise is banned. Thousands of people who break the rules have already been hit with fines, and in some countries prison sentences can be imposed.
----
Dickhead....still not tough enough for you. We have essentially the same rules as Germany.
There is literally nothing the government can do without somebody going but but but...
Some people won't be satisfied until we have a Stasi-like network of informants ratting on anyone daring to poke their head out the door.
Indeed. These measures should be good enough to get the infection rate right down.
The sad thing is the ill-informed (including plenty of journalists) will shit the bed in less than 72 hours as cases continue to increase not realising it takes 2-3 weeks for the effects of such measures to filter through.
It does seem inevitable. Time to get off the internet for a while again I thiml.
Am I reading this right, they've closed every hotel in the country?
Can I baggies a room in Shangri-La Hotel at The Shard London if I get ill please?
I have a three night stay in Claridges booked for this July, I was expecting it not to happen, perhaps it might happen after all now.
As a much younger poorer man, when the deep water horizon accident happened and they thought it would hit the Florida west coast beaches, they shouldn't shift top end hotel rooms for love nor money.
I took a punt on it not happening....Mrs U and I had a lovely time in a giant ocean view suite that had an crazy ticket price in normal times. The hotel seemed less impressed by having two peasants rock up in a crap car immediately ruining the high end appearance of the place with knowledge we were there for a whole week.
The direction of travel is clear, but the restrictions announced by the UK prime minister still fall short of the measures in place in many European countries, where most people can’t now leave their houses without a special permit.
In Italy and Spain even outdoor exercise is banned. Thousands of people who break the rules have already been hit with fines, and in some countries prison sentences can be imposed.
----
Dickhead....still not tough enough for you. We have essentially the same rules as Germany.
There is literally nothing the government can do without somebody going but but but...
Some people won't be satisfied until we have a Stasi-like network of informants ratting on anyone daring to poke their head out the door.
Indeed. These measures should be good enough to get the infection rate right down.
The sad thing is the ill-informed (including plenty of journalists) will shit the bed in less than 72 hours as cases continue to increase not realising it takes 2-3 weeks for the effects of such measures to filter through.
It does seem inevitable. Time to get off the internet for a while again I thiml.
All the people asking stupid questions, did people in the war when asked to make sure they operated a blackout and got in the bomb shelters start moaning not enough direction if I should go if it is on a night when I get my ingrowing toenails done.
Of course the state can't enforce every single part of it. The idea is that the vast majority don't try and go for 10 runs a day for LOLs and they enforce it against the worst offenders who are out and about for no good reason and use your f##king brain, do everything possible to minimize your contact with everybody outside your family unit.
If Boris had tried to list every single job and task on a nasty or nice list he would still be there when everybody is dead from the damn virus.
Glad to see the general consensus is to accept and comply with the new situation in the UK. Not much evidence of mad libertarians claiming their freedoms have been removed and condemning the PM for his actions. It’s up to us all to do what’s necessary as it’s in every bodies interest. I’m in day 10 of shut down PB helps to connect to the rest of the world as does FB and other communication tools. The sooner this is over the sooner we can get on with life, I’m sure we all will spend a few moments thinking about the front line staff and maybe spare a thought for the politicians who find themselves where they are and to a large extent are doing their best. Keep posting and goodnight.
Now all unis are closed, surely uni campus accommodation should be used as well. That seems more suitable than a lot of hotels.
Hotels are better.
Each room comes with a bathroom, you can isolate people inside a room.
You have floors which can act as triage levels.
Finally they have big public spaces you can use such as restaurants and meeting rooms.
Have you seen most modern accommodation on uni campus'? The kids won't live there without ensuite these days. And of course they all have big conference facilities and regularly feed 1000s every day.
I bet we find out Shaun Ryder is immune to this....coronavirus gets in his system and his body will be like what's this low strength shit, the stuff in the 80s used to get me way sweatier.
Is the government going to institute a blanket cancellation of all government-mandated deadlines, for example VAT returns, PAYE deadlines, Companies House deadlines, etc? Because if not, how the hell are businesses and individuals supposed to keep complying?
Is the government going to institute a blanket cancellation of all government-mandated deadlines, for example VAT returns, PAYE deadlines, Companies House deadlines, etc? Because if not, how the hell are businesses and individuals supposed to keep complying?
Is the government going to institute a blanket cancellation of all government-mandated deadlines, for example VAT returns, PAYE deadlines, Companies House deadlines, etc? Because if not, how the hell are businesses and individuals supposed to keep complying?
Fuck knows - there's a huge lack of clarity on "essential" work right now. I mean I know we should have all perhaps transitioned to the paperless office BUT......
@kle4 I think Boris prevaricated because at the start because he essentially doesn't believe in the state.....
It would be the same if we had Corbyn in charge if we were attacked by the Russians....
Ultimately they would both do the right thing.....but their political ideology slows them down....
NHS frontline staff are woefully unprotected...this is today....this is due to the Govt not taking the threat seriously enough at the outset (ideological) and not having the organisational ability how to do it (competence)
So does everyone in the NHS need Boris Johnson to tell them to order more PPE ?
Nobody capable of doing so on their own initiative ?
I cannot begin to tell you how woefully unprepared the NHS is in London are today....we had probably 2 months.....at least 2 protective clothing for staff....
ICU beds are another matter and technical equipment....but at least protective equipment....
Other stuff would have been easy too..accommodation nearby for those who can take it....the staff are using public transport...they are not even getting access to use the car parks for free
A few months back I needed some safety shoes for work, I sorted it out myself.
If hospitals are short of PPE they should have ordered more - that could have been prompted from the hospital management, the H&S dept, the purchasing dept, or any front line staff.
This "Boris hasn't provided enough PPE" is bollox.
People have to shown initiative in this world if they want to sort out problems.
My colleagues and I have been buying our own surgical scrubs to change into for work, so we don't contaminate our civilian clothes. Things are that bad, we are taking them home to wash at 60C. Don't believe me? Look at delivery times for scrubs on Amazon.
And don't get me started on masks and gowns.
What do you identify as the reason you haven't been provided with the tools you need?
You cannot expect a decade of penny-pinching to be reversed in a month. Chickens are coming home to roost.
This is not just an issue about staff. Without PPE, resuscitation will not happen. There is no emergency in a pandemic.
Yeah, according to Cummings it can only be three words. Get rid of just and don't.
"Stay at home"
"Protect the NHS"
"Wash your hands".
Skive for Britain!
Don't start me on that one. I am one of the army of the self- employed, who today, self isolated out of concern for the nation's health, and all at my own expense.
Yeah, according to Cummings it can only be three words. Get rid of just and don't.
"Stay at home"
"Protect the NHS"
"Wash your hands".
Skive for Britain!
Don't start me on that one. I am one of the army of the self- employed, who today, self isolated out of concern for the nation's health, and all at my own expense.
I'm hoping that the reason there's been nothing more is they are still working out how to do it....
Is the government going to institute a blanket cancellation of all government-mandated deadlines, for example VAT returns, PAYE deadlines, Companies House deadlines, etc? Because if not, how the hell are businesses and individuals supposed to keep complying?
You mean with the returns or the payments?
Both. For example, in my small company I've done everything I can to ensure that we can work from home, but there are still some things which cannot be done without going into the office. For example, some suppliers still send invoices by mail, HMRC for some bizarre reason sends PAYE codes by post despite the fact that we are signed up for online PAYE, etc etc. Minor things, but actually essential to comply with our legal obligations.
Is the government going to institute a blanket cancellation of all government-mandated deadlines, for example VAT returns, PAYE deadlines, Companies House deadlines, etc? Because if not, how the hell are businesses and individuals supposed to keep complying?
The direction of travel is clear, but the restrictions announced by the UK prime minister still fall short of the measures in place in many European countries, where most people can’t now leave their houses without a special permit.
In Italy and Spain even outdoor exercise is banned. Thousands of people who break the rules have already been hit with fines, and in some countries prison sentences can be imposed.
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Dickhead....still not tough enough for you. We have essentially the same rules as Germany.
There is literally nothing the government can do without somebody going but but but...
Some people won't be satisfied until we have a Stasi-like network of informants ratting on anyone daring to poke their head out the door.
A member of a What's App group works as a childminder, stated she would be happy to drop someone in it, if she finds out they have been looking after a neighbour's kids.
Is the government going to institute a blanket cancellation of all government-mandated deadlines, for example VAT returns, PAYE deadlines, Companies House deadlines, etc? Because if not, how the hell are businesses and individuals supposed to keep complying?
You mean with the returns or the payments?
Both. For example, in my small company I've done everything I can to ensure that we can work from home, but there are still some things which cannot be done without going into the office. For example, some suppliers still send invoices by mail, HMRC for some bizarre reason sends PAYE codes by post despite the fact that we are signed up for online PAYE, etc etc. Minor things, but actually essential to comply with our legal obligations.
I'm in the same boat Rich ! Feels just plain odd right now. I'm going to be trying to set up stuff for people to WFH anyway tommorow (At home), so I'll let my colleagues and directors sort it at work. I've told them all under absolubtely no circumstances to head to the large Tesco nearby which I reckon is ground zero up north for Corona.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
And don't get me started on masks and gowns.
Edit: Although in practice many oikophobes also happen to be oik-phobes, so...
BBC Reality Check
The direction of travel is clear, but the restrictions announced by the UK prime minister still fall short of the measures in place in many European countries, where most people can’t now leave their houses without a special permit.
In Italy and Spain even outdoor exercise is banned. Thousands of people who break the rules have already been hit with fines, and in some countries prison sentences can be imposed.
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Dickhead....still not tough enough for you. We have essentially the same rules as Germany.
There is literally nothing the government can do without somebody going but but but...
JUST REMEMBER FOLKS
You can save the nation by sitting on your arse and watching TV.
There will be a lot in lockdown already but for those that weren't, they really weren't. Without the words, "Must" they just treated it all as a bit of fun.
And let those who should have been organising PPE know that they need to up their game.
I wonder how many will become field hospitals.
So he will be self-isolating then?
Can't these people just keep quiet for a while?
It's really hard to tell whether people are going to be rallying behind their leaders or hopping mad with them, but one permutation is a weird dynamic where Dems lose the states where they're narrowly behind and make pickups in the places that are a stretch, like Georgia, Arizona and Texas.
"Just don't be f&*%ing stupid."
Is it too long?
The sad thing is the ill-informed (including plenty of journalists) will shit the bed in less than 72 hours as cases continue to increase not realising it takes 2-3 weeks for the effects of such measures to filter through.
Each room comes with a bathroom, you can isolate people inside a room.
You have floors which can act as triage levels.
Finally they have big public spaces you can use such as restaurants and meeting rooms.
I took a punt on it not happening....Mrs U and I had a lovely time in a giant ocean view suite that had an crazy ticket price in normal times. The hotel seemed less impressed by having two peasants rock up in a crap car immediately ruining the high end appearance of the place with knowledge we were there for a whole week.
Having now escaped lockdown in prison, he has to go home and, erm, lockdown...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11235609/tottenham-dele-alli-training-coronavirus/
This is not just an issue about staff. Without PPE, resuscitation will not happen. There is no emergency in a pandemic.
https://twitter.com/amychomd/status/1240030939624939523?s=09
https://twitter.com/GeorgeFreemanMP/status/1241655864127299585
Edit: There we go - see below...
What an arsehole
https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1242201979671240706?s=20
https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1242202297612079104?s=20
I've told them all under absolubtely no circumstances to head to the large Tesco nearby which I reckon is ground zero up north for Corona.