They need to stfu. I get really bad bouts of depression even after short periods of isolation. Such measures should not be taken lightly and could do far more harm than good.
I am tentatively supportive of the Government plan so far.
That is what PB is for. Never alone, especially if you have strong views on pizza toppings.
The issue with pizza toppings is that there's not a lot to do once we all agree that pineapple, chicken and olive pizza is objectively the ultimate pizza.
Olive? ON A PIZZA?
Actually, olive on anything renders it fit only for the garbage.
They need to stfu. I get really bad bouts of depression even after short periods of isolation. Such measures should not be taken lightly and could do far more harm than good.
I am tentatively supportive of the Government plan so far.
That is what PB is for. Never alone, especially if you have strong views on pizza toppings.
The issue with pizza toppings is that there's not a lot to do once we all agree that pineapple, chicken and olive pizza is objectively the ultimate pizza.
Olive? ON A PIZZA?
Actually, olive on anything renders it fit only for the garbage.
Is that like when you hear a festival have booked Radiohead to play?
Just in a Costa at an out-of-town retail park in Newcastle. It’s packed, nobody is wearing gloves, nobody is wearing a mask.
Neither am I, to be fair.
Wifey has just come back from Asda Thornaby. Described it as being "Christmas Eve" in there - people frantically buying everything, showing past each other, blocking, the whole Jingle All The Way experience.
Sunday is an awful day to go to a supermarket even in normal times.
Normal in M&S this morning and very good stock of all the stuff which is selling out elsewhere. If panic had really set in people would be putting their hand in their pocket for a better quality of survival provision.
Yes , yesterday in Sainsbury's I was able to get real quality Italian penne pasta, £2.50 a packet , the only pasta left on the shelves. Shelves stripped of the cheap stuff but herd did not want to try a quality one obviously.
Well I am being sent to our Tescos in Dundee with a little list. Don't buy substitutes, don't get any good ideas, is my clear advice. I fear I may be some time.
Can you reveal the list ?
Bread, milk, various fruits, chicken, flora, butter, tea, potato chips, Sunday Times. We really haven't mastered this panic buying thing.
I thought posters may be interested in my experience of the Wales NHS last night. I saw my doctor last thursday about an abcess and it was agreed that as I had had two courses of antibiotics over another matter, the abcess would be treated with cream.
However by last night it had become very 'angry' so I went at 8.30pm to our local hospital minor injury unit and was triaged by a nurse. I had a temperature and clear indications the abcess was infected. I saw the sister who said I needed to see a doctor tonight and she phoned the main hospital out of hours to arrange an appointment
Some time lapsed when she returned to say she was just about to arrange the appointment only to be told that half an hour earlier an instruction had been received that no one with a temperature could be seen by the doctor without the doctor personally triaging the patient. Now this follows a nursing sister confirming to them the reason for the urgent need, but there was no way through and I returned home to wait the doctors phone call
At 11.30pm the doctor rang me and made an appointment for me to be seen by her at 12.00 midnight. The hospital out of hours is in the same place as the A & E and the waiting time in A & E was 3 hours, it was busy but not more than I expected
At 12.30 am I saw the doctor who immediately precribed a 7 day course of antibiotics and told me to ring back in the morning if I was feeling worse and they would admit me to lance the abcess and put me on IV antibiotics. She was lovely and so kind and I returned home with the antibiotics, taking one immediately and going to bed at about 2.30am
I hope posters do not mind my post but the lessons I learnt are that even those genuinely ill without the virus are having to jump through extraordinary hoops to get the medical attention they need. The system is beng overwhelmed and eveyone in the NHS from reception staff to surgeons need our understanding and patience in this worse peacetime crisis in living memory
And just a point, at both the minor injury unit, the A & E and the Out of Hours not one person, public or professionals were wearing masks other than a young child and his parents in Out of Hours Care
And as I seem to be responding to the antibiotic I will not be going into hospital today at least.
And finally I would just say to all posters, the fear and real worry especially in the elderly, is ill served by some trying to make a case for killing off the elderly and the idiotic idea it is govenment policy.
As someone in the highest risk group on age and underlying conditions I appeal for less politics and more compassion please, and we will get through this in time
Lovely post Big G.
Get well soon.
Thank you so much. This crisis needs depoliticising
Absolutely agree. Some people are a bit slow to recognise the seismic shift this will cause. It's way beyond left-right, leave-remain etc.
I genuinely believe that this will create an earthquake through the way we perceived things pre covid 19, experiencing it, and then adapting to enormous permanent change to so much we took for granted
Its amusing watching people lose what's left of their minds on here.
The idea any PM, let alone a Tory PM - or the CSO or CMO are hatching a plan to kill off their elderly voters is the most bonkers thing ever.
Thinking they give a hoot for elderly is the lunatic thing, the PM wants to come out a hero and that is his only concern , your granny popping her clogs will be of no concern to him.
But with respect to Granny if Coronavirus doesn't do her in there's a good chance any number of other things will - and does. Old people die, especially in winter. Yes I am worried about my frail sick parents. But no more so than normal as they get to the start of every winter joking that it could be their last.
The idea that the PM is going to be responsible for old people dying of this is absurd, even if the strategy is to accept that a decent proportion of them were going to die of something else anyway so what does it matter if its Covid19 that finishes them off instead of normal flu or pneumonia or old age or all the other things that kill "your granny" in their tens of thousands every year.
As a 70 year old I take exception to the idea that it's OK to let the oldies die because they were on there way out anyway!
I hear you - my parents are in their early 70s and my dad especially is prime target for this thing. I am *not* saying that we stand back and let this thing kill them and you. Thats why the advice is coming out that you need to take precautions and do what you can to avoid contact with people.
But there are harsh realities here that national strategists have to take into account. And that includes the higher mortality rate amongst people like my dad compared to people like me or my kids. Its awful, but it is what it is. I wouldn't want to be making those decisions...
They need to stfu. I get really bad bouts of depression even after short periods of isolation. Such measures should not be taken lightly and could do far more harm than good.
I am tentatively supportive of the Government plan so far.
That is what PB is for. Never alone, especially if you have strong views on pizza toppings.
The issue with pizza toppings is that there's not a lot to do once we all agree that pineapple, chicken and olive pizza is objectively the ultimate pizza.
Olive? ON A PIZZA?
Actually, olive on anything renders it fit only for the garbage.
Anchovy stuffed olives are one of life's pleasures.
Just in a Costa at an out-of-town retail park in Newcastle. It’s packed, nobody is wearing gloves, nobody is wearing a mask.
Neither am I, to be fair.
Wifey has just come back from Asda Thornaby. Described it as being "Christmas Eve" in there - people frantically buying everything, showing past each other, blocking, the whole Jingle All The Way experience.
Sunday is an awful day to go to a supermarket even in normal times.
Normal in M&S this morning and very good stock of all the stuff which is selling out elsewhere. If panic had really set in people would be putting their hand in their pocket for a better quality of survival provision.
Yes , yesterday in Sainsbury's I was able to get real quality Italian penne pasta, £2.50 a packet , the only pasta left on the shelves. Shelves stripped of the cheap stuff but herd did not want to try a quality one obviously.
It does seem like these hoarders are right cheapskates.
If the government have anything to do with his airline, it'll be helping to underwrite the finance for the company that buys his stricken assets for 10p in the pound.
Exactly. There's very little point proping up airlines when nobody wants to fly, as there are much better uses for that money now. And when it's over all those planes will still have much of their value for any new companies that emerge.
Right now the only thing that makes sense regarding folding airlines is to provide welfare for the employees, but the companies and their shareholders are on their own.
They need to stfu. I get really bad bouts of depression even after short periods of isolation. Such measures should not be taken lightly and could do far more harm than good.
I am tentatively supportive of the Government plan so far.
That is what PB is for. Never alone, especially if you have strong views on pizza toppings.
The issue with pizza toppings is that there's not a lot to do once we all agree that pineapple, chicken and olive pizza is objectively the ultimate pizza.
Olive? ON A PIZZA?
Actually, olive on anything renders it fit only for the garbage.
Anchovy stuffed olives are one of life's pleasures.
Union leaders are calling for private hospital beds in the UK to be used rent free, to ease pressure on NHS hospitals dealing with the coronavirus crisis.
The GMB union has launched a petition urging the prime minister to requisition private hospital beds, amid reports the NHS is to spend up to £2.4m a day to do so.
Tw@ts...they are already being provided at less than the cost of an NHS bed.
£2 million a day is basically nothing in the context of what is going on.
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Union leaders are calling for private hospital beds in the UK to be used rent free, to ease pressure on NHS hospitals dealing with the coronavirus crisis.
The GMB union has launched a petition urging the prime minister to requisition private hospital beds, amid reports the NHS is to spend up to £2.4m a day to do so.
Tw@ts...they are already being provided at less than the cost of an NHS bed.
£2 million a day is basically nothing in the context of what is going on.
If the government could always do such good deals with the private sector we would all be laughing.
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
Half asymptomatic. Some are going to wonder what the whole fuss was about.
Johnson’s Herd Immunity/Genocide Project is the very essence Capitalism is founded upon. When push comes to shove if you are the weakest link, goodbye. In a time of crisis like this, Capitalism itself needs to survive, so if you take out the pot and don’t put in during this, goodbye.
In the header, note the word “voids” Liverpool fans.
What a load of rubbish when Boris is about to tell all over 70s to self isolate for 4 months and when building herd immunity in the young will reduce pressure on the NHS next winter
I'm genuinely confused, hasn't the health secretary just told us that herd immunity is not their policy?
Got to say you are not the only one. Whilst I think the CMO and his team appear to be doing a good job and are, I hope, following the right course, the messaging on this from the Government has been pretty poor over the last week and appears to rely too much on people assuming they know what the officials mean rather than it being explicit.
They are useless at messaging , Boris hiding for weeks , then wittering about throwing the dice and taking it on the chin, followed by Herd immunity and many of your family will die, whilst saying we have a great plan to come later when we think necessary says it all. They are useless tw*ts.
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
They have basically their whole population DNA on record don't they?
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
Half asymptomatic. Some are going to wonder what the whole fuss was about.
They need to stfu. I get really bad bouts of depression even after short periods of isolation. Such measures should not be taken lightly and could do far more harm than good.
I am tentatively supportive of the Government plan so far.
That is what PB is for. Never alone, especially if you have strong views on pizza toppings.
The issue with pizza toppings is that there's not a lot to do once we all agree that pineapple, chicken and olive pizza is objectively the ultimate pizza.
Olive? ON A PIZZA?
Actually, olive on anything renders it fit only for the garbage.
And to think, up until recently I'd considered you a very sensible man! Olives are one of life's truest pleasures. I have ample supplies of them to make some olive bread in the forthcoming months.
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
36,000 cases in Iceland and 0 deaths ? That would be very interesting, to say the least.
Johnson’s Herd Immunity/Genocide Project is the very essence Capitalism is founded upon. When push comes to shove if you are the weakest link, goodbye. In a time of crisis like this, Capitalism itself needs to survive, so if you take out the pot and don’t put in during this, goodbye.
In the header, note the word “voids” Liverpool fans.
What a load of rubbish when Boris is about to tell all over 70s to self isolate for 4 months and when building herd immunity in the young will reduce pressure on the NHS next winter
I'm genuinely confused, hasn't the health secretary just told us that herd immunity is not their policy?
Got to say you are not the only one. Whilst I think the CMO and his team appear to be doing a good job and are, I hope, following the right course, the messaging on this from the Government has been pretty poor over the last week and appears to rely too much on people assuming they know what the officials mean rather than it being explicit.
They are useless at messaging , Boris hiding for weeks , then wittering about throwing the dice and taking it on the chin, followed by Herd immunity and many of your family will die, whilst saying we have a great plan to come later when we think necessary says it all. They are useless tw*ts.
Throwing the dice? What are you on about. They are following the pandemic strategy that was drawn up several years ago.
FAKE NEWS...its not paywalled. I know they say on a paywalled website, it is deliberately misleading.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
What happened was the US government proposed funding the development in the form of a licensing deal (fairly standard). Some idiot lawyer sent over the standard template which in life sciences is "exclusive global rights".
That doesn't mean only for the US. That means that the US government will own the intellectual property in return for providing the funding.
Ottermann's insinuation is that they would stop other people having access to it. Which is bullshit.
Charles: how is your understanding of the race to find a successful anti-viral? Any insight there? And, most important, hope your dad is okay and the Hampshire hotspot is not associated with his hospital.
They are trying two main things at the moment Actema (IL-6 binder that has been shown to help with cytokine storm induced by CAR-T therapy) and Kaletra, which is a combination of two protease inhibitors for HIV that has also been shown to work in HPV.
My Dad has tested positive, but is being well looked after in the said Hampshire hotspot. Thank you for your thoughts.
Sorry to hear that Charles - all the best to you and your family
Just in a Costa at an out-of-town retail park in Newcastle. It’s packed, nobody is wearing gloves, nobody is wearing a mask.
Neither am I, to be fair.
Wifey has just come back from Asda Thornaby. Described it as being "Christmas Eve" in there - people frantically buying everything, showing past each other, blocking, the whole Jingle All The Way experience.
Sunday is an awful day to go to a supermarket even in normal times.
Normal in M&S this morning and very good stock of all the stuff which is selling out elsewhere. If panic had really set in people would be putting their hand in their pocket for a better quality of survival provision.
Yes , yesterday in Sainsbury's I was able to get real quality Italian penne pasta, £2.50 a packet , the only pasta left on the shelves. Shelves stripped of the cheap stuff but herd did not want to try a quality one obviously.
It does seem like these hoarders are right cheapskates.
Not around here. Supplies of the most popular hoarding staples were all gone on Friday evening, including the niche and expensive stuff.
Just back from Tescos this morning and it was actually worse than Christmas. Lengthy queues for all payment methods; they've still got about 25 traditional tills in there and each one had at least five or six people with full family-sized trolleys snaking out the back of it.
They are clearly doing their best to keep up with demand and at least some supplies of most of the things that were entirely absent on Friday night (notably flour and tissues) were in evidence. However, the pasta shelf was still completely empty and I missed the last of the bog rolls by about five or ten minutes. There were a few people still walking around with packs of the things in their trolleys but the aisle contained nothing but empty pallets.
Beer supplies also replenished and looking well-stocked again. Except for Corona, that is.
They need to stfu. I get really bad bouts of depression even after short periods of isolation. Such measures should not be taken lightly and could do far more harm than good.
I am tentatively supportive of the Government plan so far.
That is what PB is for. Never alone, especially if you have strong views on pizza toppings.
The issue with pizza toppings is that there's not a lot to do once we all agree that pineapple, chicken and olive pizza is objectively the ultimate pizza.
Olive? ON A PIZZA?
Actually, olive on anything renders it fit only for the garbage.
Now you are being silly Mark, Olives enhance almost anything , there are a few exceptions but on a pizza they are lovely.
Just in a Costa at an out-of-town retail park in Newcastle. It’s packed, nobody is wearing gloves, nobody is wearing a mask.
Neither am I, to be fair.
Wifey has just come back from Asda Thornaby. Described it as being "Christmas Eve" in there - people frantically buying everything, showing past each other, blocking, the whole Jingle All The Way experience.
Sunday is an awful day to go to a supermarket even in normal times.
Normal in M&S this morning and very good stock of all the stuff which is selling out elsewhere. If panic had really set in people would be putting their hand in their pocket for a better quality of survival provision.
Yes , yesterday in Sainsbury's I was able to get real quality Italian penne pasta, £2.50 a packet , the only pasta left on the shelves. Shelves stripped of the cheap stuff but herd did not want to try a quality one obviously.
It does seem like these hoarders are right cheapskates.
Nah, the basic principle is you hoard stuff you would only eat in order not to starve. If you make a hoard of Cadburys Fruit and Nut and stuff, 48 hours later you have to hoard all over again.
In Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned earlier this week that up to 70% of the country's population - some 58 million people - could contract the virus.
In all honesty, this doesn't seem much different to the UK strategy. It is just the CMO and CSO spelled it in much blunter terms much earlier.
The Twitterati obviously still think that Boris is trying to murder us all.
I take some comfort in Germany's approach being similar to ours. I might not trust Boris Johnson as far as I can throw him - who in their right mind would? - but I do have confidence in Angela Merkel. She is a political leader of uncommon substance and integrity.
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
36,000 cases in Iceland and 0 deaths ? That would be very interesting, to say the least.
3,600 cases. But even so, even accounting for delayed onset of symptoms, if only 5-25% of people develop symptoms this is vastly less scary than before.
Snooker is on Eurosport, 4 rounds in 1 day so perfect in the circumstances - frankly showing that sports should be pushed to keep going behind closed doors - would do far more for the common good and isolation maintenance where required, than making virtuous press releases about total cancellations.
If they are referring to Hancock's op-ed, it's not paywalled.
Big deal, it shows how shallow these fcukwits are, posting this kind of stuff on a Tory rag which is normally paywalled and I bet was at first. How to help your pals, sick gits.
He has a point. This lark of giving mysterious, opaque briefings to Pesto etc. from 'government sources' is sowing confusion and unease. This might work when you're trying to wrongfoot your opponents over Brexit or whatever, but in this situation it's just juvenile. Boris needs to get rid of a few egos I think.
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
36,000 cases in Iceland and 0 deaths ? That would be very interesting, to say the least.
3,600 cases. But even so, even accounting for delayed onset of symptoms, if only 5-25% of people develop symptoms this is vastly less scary than before.
Ah yes - sorry - a bit of an important calculation slip there ! ;.)
Just in a Costa at an out-of-town retail park in Newcastle. It’s packed, nobody is wearing gloves, nobody is wearing a mask.
Neither am I, to be fair.
Wifey has just come back from Asda Thornaby. Described it as being "Christmas Eve" in there - people frantically buying everything, showing past each other, blocking, the whole Jingle All The Way experience.
Sunday is an awful day to go to a supermarket even in normal times.
Normal in M&S this morning and very good stock of all the stuff which is selling out elsewhere. If panic had really set in people would be putting their hand in their pocket for a better quality of survival provision.
Yes , yesterday in Sainsbury's I was able to get real quality Italian penne pasta, £2.50 a packet , the only pasta left on the shelves. Shelves stripped of the cheap stuff but herd did not want to try a quality one obviously.
I had a similar experience with the cannelloni - normally it’s quite hard to see, but yesterday was almost the only thing left on the shelf.
If they are referring to Hancock's op-ed, it's not paywalled.
Big deal, it shows how shallow these fcukwits are, posting this kind of stuff on a Tory rag which is normally paywalled and I bet was at first. How to help your pals, sick gits.
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
I would have thought that 1% in Iceland makes claims of 10x the cases in the UK, and 1% in the state of Ohio, look quite moderate.
Last week the IATA forecasting we were looking at already looked out of date.
I must now assume 50%+ likelihood of losing my job in the next 3 months. My company has strong financial muscle but I am probably not needed in a “keeping the lights on” scenario. At least I am on 6 months notice period.
I think I am relatively employable?
I have a heavy mortgage but one must hope that in extremis I can move to interest free, and/or govt mandated mortgage holiday.
Johnson’s Herd Immunity/Genocide Project is the very essence Capitalism is founded upon. When push comes to shove if you are the weakest link, goodbye. In a time of crisis like this, Capitalism itself needs to survive, so if you take out the pot and don’t put in during this, goodbye.
In the header, note the word “voids” Liverpool fans.
What a load of rubbish when Boris is about to tell all over 70s to self isolate for 4 months and when building herd immunity in the young will reduce pressure on the NHS next winter
I'm genuinely confused, hasn't the health secretary just told us that herd immunity is not their policy?
Got to say you are not the only one. Whilst I think the CMO and his team appear to be doing a good job and are, I hope, following the right course, the messaging on this from the Government has been pretty poor over the last week and appears to rely too much on people assuming they know what the officials mean rather than it being explicit.
They are useless at messaging , Boris hiding for weeks , then wittering about throwing the dice and taking it on the chin, followed by Herd immunity and many of your family will die, whilst saying we have a great plan to come later when we think necessary says it all. They are useless tw*ts.
Throwing the dice? What are you on about. They are following the pandemic strategy that was drawn up several years ago.
I am talking about Boris's press conference utterances and his cronies re herd immunity , take it on the chin etc. Did the UK media not reach you in the USA.
In Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned earlier this week that up to 70% of the country's population - some 58 million people - could contract the virus.
In all honesty, this doesn't seem much different to the UK strategy. It is just the CMO and CSO spelled it in much blunter terms much earlier.
The Twitterati obviously still think that Boris is trying to murder us all.
I take some comfort in Germany's approach being similar to ours. I might not trust Boris Johnson as far as I can throw him - who in their right mind would? - but I do have confidence in Angela Merkel. She is a political leader of uncommon substance and integrity.
Neither do I, but if Boris was ignoring the experts we would know, as the media are more than happy to breathlessly report any contradictions.
We have to trust that the team behind the CMO and CSO are calling this one right.
FAKE NEWS...its not paywalled. I know they say on a paywalled website, it is deliberately misleading.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
BBC Radio 5 mentioned the paywall this morning as well.
He has a point. This lark of giving mysterious, opaque briefings to Pesto etc. from 'government sources' is sowing confusion and unease. This might work when you're trying to wrongfoot your opponents over Brexit or whatever, but in this situation it's just juvenile. Boris needs to get rid of a few egos I think.
In Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel warned earlier this week that up to 70% of the country's population - some 58 million people - could contract the virus.
In all honesty, this doesn't seem much different to the UK strategy. It is just the CMO and CSO spelled it in much blunter terms much earlier.
The Twitterati obviously still think that Boris is trying to murder us all.
I take some comfort in Germany's approach being similar to ours. I might not trust Boris Johnson as far as I can throw him - who in their right mind would? - but I do have confidence in Angela Merkel. She is a political leader of uncommon substance and integrity.
What bilge. Talking politics about this is vulgar but you're making it really hard not to start pointing out the hypocrisy of German led European unity which sells other countries down the river at the first sign of trouble.
Just in a Costa at an out-of-town retail park in Newcastle. It’s packed, nobody is wearing gloves, nobody is wearing a mask.
Neither am I, to be fair.
Wifey has just come back from Asda Thornaby. Described it as being "Christmas Eve" in there - people frantically buying everything, showing past each other, blocking, the whole Jingle All The Way experience.
Sunday is an awful day to go to a supermarket even in normal times.
Normal in M&S this morning and very good stock of all the stuff which is selling out elsewhere. If panic had really set in people would be putting their hand in their pocket for a better quality of survival provision.
Yes , yesterday in Sainsbury's I was able to get real quality Italian penne pasta, £2.50 a packet , the only pasta left on the shelves. Shelves stripped of the cheap stuff but herd did not want to try a quality one obviously.
It does seem like these hoarders are right cheapskates.
Nah, the basic principle is you hoard stuff you would only eat in order not to starve. If you make a hoard of Cadburys Fruit and Nut and stuff, 48 hours later you have to hoard all over again.
FAKE NEWS...its not paywalled. I know they say on a paywalled website, it is deliberately misleading.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
BBC Radio 5 mentioned the paywall this morning as well.
I think it might have been paywalled for a few moments as it was put up, but I bet that was technical cock up (i.e. the default setting for op-eds these days), rather than a scheme to get desperate punters to cough up for a telegraph subscription.
FAKE NEWS...its not paywalled. I know they say on a paywalled website, it is deliberately misleading.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
BBC Radio 5 mentioned the paywall this morning as well.
They were also allowing misleading claims about the cost of leasing private hospital beds last night.
Impact on the economy? Think wartime only fewer people end up dead/maimed. A long list of businesses will fold due to the lack of custom. The government's key decision will be whether to keep them afloat so that they can resume service once we get through this, or let them fold and create easy ways to pick up the pieces later. I suggest there are two nodal points that need urgent focus - the banks, and employees. So a couple of things they can consider doing:
1. Suspend repayment on loans. People owe cash to the bank - their house, their car, credit cards etc etc. A 6 month holiday on repayments in exchange for keeping the banks afloat. This means you don't need to pay your mortgage (or rent for all you private sector renters) or loan or credit card for the duration. All such arrangements are suspended. 2. Universal Basic Income. Parachute cash to everyone. In other times that would have been so they can spend it in Costa or whatever, but as Costa will have gone bust its to keep the people who used to work in Costa from having to eat grass
The entire rationale of the Johnson strategy is to avoid having to do ANY of this. But as country after country slowly ramps down economic activity I cannot see how we will be able to resist much longer. People will be told to WFH, then businesses big and small will get into major difficulties and the question will be do they pay to keep afloat business that isn't viable in the lockdown or do they pay to keep food in people's fridges and the roof over their heads?
Union leaders are calling for private hospital beds in the UK to be used rent free, to ease pressure on NHS hospitals dealing with the coronavirus crisis.
The GMB union has launched a petition urging the prime minister to requisition private hospital beds, amid reports the NHS is to spend up to £2.4m a day to do so.
Tw@ts...they are already being provided at less than the cost of an NHS bed.
£2 million a day is basically nothing in the context of what is going on.
If the government could always do such good deals with the private sector we would all be laughing.
Surely it's normal for governments to pay for requisitioned items. Even in time of war
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
They have basically their whole population DNA on record don't they?
Oh that is very interesting. As someone who works in that space it would indeed indicate that the number of asymptomatic carriers with low or mild symptoms is potentially very high indeed, which would tally with the numbers we are seeing in Italy to an extent. DECODE has a tremendous genetic resource that they can exploit for this sort of testing and this is a space we should continue to keep a very close eye on.
Fun Fact....because Iceland is so genetic monolithic, very small population and they have these near complete records, all the kids have these apps on their phone so that when they go on a night out looking to pull, they can bump their phone with a lady / gentleman they like the look of and it instantly tells them if they are too closely related to be considering taking it any further.
Fun Fact....because Iceland is so genetic monolithic, very small population and they have these near complete records, all the kids have these apps on their phone so that when they go on a night out looking to pull, they can bump their phone with a lady / gentleman they like the look of and it instantly tells them if they are too closely related to be considering taking it any further.
Last week the IATA forecasting we were looking at already looked out of date.
I must now assume 50%+ likelihood of losing my job in the next 3 months. My company has strong financial muscle but I am probably not needed in a “keeping the lights on” scenario. At least I am on 6 months notice period.
I think I am relatively employable?
I have a heavy mortgage but one must hope that in extremis I can move to interest free, and/or govt mandated mortgage holiday.
Sorry to hear that @Gardenwalker - hope it's not a bleak as you fear.
FAKE NEWS...its not paywalled. I know they say on a paywalled website, it is deliberately misleading.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
what kind of moron puts a health Secretary announcement to the public in a Tory newspaper. If that is not F****ed up I don't know what is and then the absolute bell ends put up on GOV site telling people to go look at the Telegraph, you could not make up the stupidity of these clowns.
FAKE NEWS...its not paywalled. I know they say on a paywalled website, it is deliberately misleading.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
what kind of moron puts a health Secretary announcement to the public in a Tory newspaper. If that is not F****ed up I don't know what is and then the absolute bell ends put up on GOV site telling people to go look at the Telegraph, you could not make up the stupidity of these clowns.
If it was new information you might have a point, but he was just reiterating what has already been said.
FAKE NEWS...its not paywalled. I know they say on a paywalled website, it is deliberately misleading.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
what kind of moron puts a health Secretary announcement to the public in a Tory newspaper. If that is not F****ed up I don't know what is and then the absolute bell ends put up on GOV site telling people to go look at the Telegraph, you could not make up the stupidity of these clowns.
You might not have noticed but he has also been on all the major media outlets this morning.
If they are referring to Hancock's op-ed, it's not paywalled.
Big deal, it shows how shallow these fcukwits are, posting this kind of stuff on a Tory rag which is normally paywalled and I bet was at first. How to help your pals, sick gits.
Malc.
You and I are on the opposite sides on the referendum but we converse well
I do think that we are now in an environment that we all need to be kinder and to be honest I really would like to hear your genuine thought through opinions on topical matters
Please try not to become tedious but help to contribute with constructive criticism, not destructive
If they are referring to Hancock's op-ed, it's not paywalled.
Big deal, it shows how shallow these fcukwits are, posting this kind of stuff on a Tory rag which is normally paywalled and I bet was at first. How to help your pals, sick gits.
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
They have basically their whole population DNA on record don't they?
I am genuinely failing to understand why that has any bearing on testing them for this virus.
FAKE NEWS...its not paywalled. I know they say on a paywalled website, it is deliberately misleading.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
It absolutely was pay walled initially. They took down the pay wall after the outrage.
FAKE NEWS...its not paywalled. I know they say on a paywalled website, it is deliberately misleading.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
BBC Radio 5 mentioned the paywall this morning as well.
They were also allowing misleading claims about the cost of leasing private hospital beds last night.
Was that via that lovely Momentum activist Dr Sonia Adesara?
FAKE NEWS...its not paywalled. I know they say on a paywalled website, it is deliberately misleading.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
what kind of moron puts a health Secretary announcement to the public in a Tory newspaper. If that is not F****ed up I don't know what is and then the absolute bell ends put up on GOV site telling people to go look at the Telegraph, you could not make up the stupidity of these clowns.
Agreed - this is no way to proceed at all. Big mistake. Text should have gone to all papers for them to publish unedited ot not at all as they decide.
FAKE NEWS...its not paywalled. I know they say on a paywalled website, it is deliberately misleading.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
BBC Radio 5 mentioned the paywall this morning as well.
I think it might have been paywalled for a few moments as it was put up, but I bet that was technical cock up (i.e. the default setting for op-eds these days), rather than a scheme to get desperate punters to cough up for a telegraph subscription.
It was an odd approach though. Why put an article conveying information of national significance in a niche publication with collapsing sales? Putting it in The Sun would have made more sense. In fact, why not buy space in every national newspaper if you feel a written article is helpful?
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
They have basically their whole population DNA on record don't they?
I am genuinely failing to understand why that has any bearing on testing them for this virus.
Well for example they can start to example genetic differences between those that show signs and those that don't.
They already do similar research across other major diseases, tracing lineages, genetic differences etc.
Just in a Costa at an out-of-town retail park in Newcastle. It’s packed, nobody is wearing gloves, nobody is wearing a mask.
Neither am I, to be fair.
Wifey has just come back from Asda Thornaby. Described it as being "Christmas Eve" in there - people frantically buying everything, showing past each other, blocking, the whole Jingle All The Way experience.
Sunday is an awful day to go to a supermarket even in normal times.
Normal in M&S this morning and very good stock of all the stuff which is selling out elsewhere. If panic had really set in people would be putting their hand in their pocket for a better quality of survival provision.
Yes , yesterday in Sainsbury's I was able to get real quality Italian penne pasta, £2.50 a packet , the only pasta left on the shelves. Shelves stripped of the cheap stuff but herd did not want to try a quality one obviously.
It does seem like these hoarders are right cheapskates.
Not around here. Supplies of the most popular hoarding staples were all gone on Friday evening, including the niche and expensive stuff.
Just back from Tescos this morning and it was actually worse than Christmas. Lengthy queues for all payment methods; they've still got about 25 traditional tills in there and each one had at least five or six people with full family-sized trolleys snaking out the back of it.
They are clearly doing their best to keep up with demand and at least some supplies of most of the things that were entirely absent on Friday night (notably flour and tissues) were in evidence. However, the pasta shelf was still completely empty and I missed the last of the bog rolls by about five or ten minutes. There were a few people still walking around with packs of the things in their trolleys but the aisle contained nothing but empty pallets.
Beer supplies also replenished and looking well-stocked again. Except for Corona, that is.
WTAF as they say. Tesco in Leaver heartland E Mids yesterday, and therefore full of people obviously quite dim and prone to irrational behaviour, was full to brimming. Loo roll and hand san gone but absolutely everything else plentiful.
Normal Saturday traffic.
I bought, because PB wants to know, two lemons a cucumber, some talc, a pineapple, and a bottle of gin.
FAKE NEWS...its not paywalled. I know they say on a paywalled website, it is deliberately misleading.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
what kind of moron puts a health Secretary announcement to the public in a Tory newspaper. If that is not F****ed up I don't know what is and then the absolute bell ends put up on GOV site telling people to go look at the Telegraph, you could not make up the stupidity of these clowns.
Agreed - this is no way to proceed at all. Big mistake. Text should have gone to all papers for them to publish unedited ot not at all as they decide.
Except it wasn't an announcement of government policy. It was just a repeat of what has already been said.
If Boris had been in charge during WWII, I fairly sure the tw@tterati would be cheering on Hitler, just to see his nose rubbed in it.
There were those who were not, initially at any rate, impressed with Churchill. And if Edward VIII hadn't been more interested in Wallis than being King........
Snooker is on Eurosport, 4 rounds in 1 day so perfect in the circumstances - frankly showing that sports should be pushed to keep going behind closed doors - would do far more for the common good and isolation maintenance where required, than making virtuous press releases about total cancellations.
Big one is the Crucible. Not yet cancelled, I note, and I think I know why. It provides 17 days of compelling sporting theatre, many hours each day, draws you in, takes your mind of everything else - perfect comfort viewing and on the Beeb with an audience biased towards older people who will desperately need all of the comfort they can get by then.
So it would not surprise me if the government has contacted World Snooker and told them on no account to cancel. The show must go on. The event will go ahead as a genuine public service. An integral part of our National Virus Response.
Caveat that Ronnie does not test positive in the meantime.
If they are referring to Hancock's op-ed, it's not paywalled.
Big deal, it shows how shallow these fcukwits are, posting this kind of stuff on a Tory rag which is normally paywalled and I bet was at first. How to help your pals, sick gits.
Last week the IATA forecasting we were looking at already looked out of date.
I must now assume 50%+ likelihood of losing my job in the next 3 months. My company has strong financial muscle but I am probably not needed in a “keeping the lights on” scenario. At least I am on 6 months notice period.
I think I am relatively employable?
I have a heavy mortgage but one must hope that in extremis I can move to interest free, and/or govt mandated mortgage holiday.
I am so sorry to hear that and it will be no consolation that many thousands, even millions, will be in the same boat
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
They have basically their whole population DNA on record don't they?
I am genuinely failing to understand why that has any bearing on testing them for this virus.
Well for example they can start to example genetic differences between those that show signs and those that don't.
They already do similar research across other major diseases, tracing lineages, genetic differences etc.
I can see that but why is genetic screening showing up the virus in the first place?
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
They have basically their whole population DNA on record don't they?
Oh that is very interesting. As someone who works in that space it would indeed indicate that the number of asymptomatic carriers with low or mild symptoms is potentially very high indeed, which would tally with the numbers we are seeing in Italy to an extent. DECODE has a tremendous genetic resource that they can exploit for this sort of testing and this is a space we should continue to keep a very close eye on.
Fun Fact....because Iceland is so genetic monolithic, very small population and they have these near complete records, all the kids have these apps on their phone so that when they go on a night out looking to pull, they can bump their phone with a lady / gentleman they like the look of and it instantly tells them if they are too closely related to be considering taking it any further.
You should go there and say..
"Hey, don't worry; put the app away: I'm English."
FAKE NEWS...its not paywalled. I know they say on a paywalled website, it is deliberately misleading.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
what kind of moron puts a health Secretary announcement to the public in a Tory newspaper. If that is not F****ed up I don't know what is and then the absolute bell ends put up on GOV site telling people to go look at the Telegraph, you could not make up the stupidity of these clowns.
You might not have noticed but he has also been on all the major media outlets this morning.
Yes telling everyone to visit the Telegraph, that helps.
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today. Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent. Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
They have basically their whole population DNA on record don't they?
I am genuinely failing to understand why that has any bearing on testing them for this virus.
Well for example they can start to example genetic differences between those that show signs and those that don't.
They already do similar research across other major diseases, tracing lineages, genetic differences etc.
I can see that but why is genetic screening showing up the virus in the first place?
Interesting the opposition response to government actions is to be predominantly supportive, no one calling for a herd immunity approach and what criticism there is is directed at having allowed the mass women’s day marches last Sunday. Felix may have seen different responses so interested in his opinion.
Agree - but there is considerable anger at the Madrilenos who have appeared overnight as it were. In the longer term this crisis will bring down governments because our 2 week lockdown will no be sufficient - I suspect maybe 2/3 months.
If the government have anything to do with his airline, it'll be helping to underwrite the finance for the company that buys his stricken assets for 10p in the pound.
Exactly. There's very little point proping up airlines when nobody wants to fly, as there are much better uses for that money now. And when it's over all those planes will still have much of their value for any new companies that emerge.
Right now the only thing that makes sense regarding folding airlines is to provide welfare for the employees, but the companies and their shareholders are on their own.
I've been saying some harsh light of day stuff about government strategy with regards to people which I know sounds cold. It'll be the same with regards to business - we will absolutely need some business and absolutely not need others. But is the cost of letting them fail and setting up again out the other side higher than the alternative?
The issue is NOT the likes of Virgin Atlantic. The issue is that the likes of Virgin Atlantic owe money to banks. So suspend the banking sector - all loans and outstanding monies will be covered by the BoE so that Virgin and Costa and our local museum and the dog walker don't have to go bust. You don't need to meet any of your financial obligations until all this is over.
Just in a Costa at an out-of-town retail park in Newcastle. It’s packed, nobody is wearing gloves, nobody is wearing a mask.
Neither am I, to be fair.
Wifey has just come back from Asda Thornaby. Described it as being "Christmas Eve" in there - people frantically buying everything, showing past each other, blocking, the whole Jingle All The Way experience.
Sunday is an awful day to go to a supermarket even in normal times.
Normal in M&S this morning and very good stock of all the stuff which is selling out elsewhere. If panic had really set in people would be putting their hand in their pocket for a better quality of survival provision.
Yes , yesterday in Sainsbury's I was able to get real quality Italian penne pasta, £2.50 a packet , the only pasta left on the shelves. Shelves stripped of the cheap stuff but herd did not want to try a quality one obviously.
It does seem like these hoarders are right cheapskates.
Not around here. Supplies of the most popular hoarding staples were all gone on Friday evening, including the niche and expensive stuff.
Just back from Tescos this morning and it was actually worse than Christmas. Lengthy queues for all payment methods; they've still got about 25 traditional tills in there and each one had at least five or six people with full family-sized trolleys snaking out the back of it.
They are clearly doing their best to keep up with demand and at least some supplies of most of the things that were entirely absent on Friday night (notably flour and tissues) were in evidence. However, the pasta shelf was still completely empty and I missed the last of the bog rolls by about five or ten minutes. There were a few people still walking around with packs of the things in their trolleys but the aisle contained nothing but empty pallets.
Beer supplies also replenished and looking well-stocked again. Except for Corona, that is.
I've got a fridge full of Corona which I bought because my brother likes it, but his visit got canned. I can't stand the stuff myself... but in extremis, I might be tempted
If they are referring to Hancock's op-ed, it's not paywalled.
Big deal, it shows how shallow these fcukwits are, posting this kind of stuff on a Tory rag which is normally paywalled and I bet was at first. How to help your pals, sick gits.
Snooker is on Eurosport, 4 rounds in 1 day so perfect in the circumstances - frankly showing that sports should be pushed to keep going behind closed doors - would do far more for the common good and isolation maintenance where required, than making virtuous press releases about total cancellations.
Big one is the Crucible. Not yet cancelled, I note, and I think I know why. It provides 17 days of compelling sporting theatre, many hours each day, draws you in, takes your mind of everything else - perfect comfort viewing and on the Beeb with an audience biased towards older people who will desperately need all of the comfort they can get by then.
So it would not surprise me if the government has contacted World Snooker and told them on no account to cancel. The show must go on. The event will go ahead as a genuine public service. An integral part of our National Virus Response.
Caveat that Ronnie does not test positive in the meantime.
Yes and a few other sports could learn from it. Golf cancelling is a nonsense just following the NBA lead rather than showing any leadership or thought themselves. There is no reason for non-contact sports not to continue without crowds and provide some much needed light relief whilst we all eat our pasta with tinned tuna & tomatoes.
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https://twitter.com/FCOtravel/status/1239156373545508864?s=20
Actually, olive on anything renders it fit only for the garbage.
But there are harsh realities here that national strategists have to take into account. And that includes the higher mortality rate amongst people like my dad compared to people like me or my kids. Its awful, but it is what it is. I wouldn't want to be making those decisions...
Right now the only thing that makes sense regarding folding airlines is to provide welfare for the employees, but the companies and their shareholders are on their own.
Initial results from Icelandic genetic screening indicate that around one percent of the population has the crown virus that causes COVID-19 disease. This was confirmed by Thorolfur Guðnason in a conversation with a news agency today.
Kári Stefánsson, CEO of Icelandic Genetic Research, says in a conversation with the news agency that there is almost one percent.
Screening of Icelandic genetic analysis began on Thursday in the Tower at Smáratorg in Kopavogur and it was proposed to take high in a thousand samples a day. Twelve thousand people had screened for the virus on Saturday morning.
Potential evidence of an iceberg effect?
They are useless tw*ts.
Again the media playing silly buggers.
I don't think I have ever been quite as incensed at the moment at the behaviour of some. From BBC reporting a totally misleading petition of "200" scientists, most of which are students, disagreeing with the government policy and all this misinformation on twitter.
My Dad has tested positive, but is being well looked after in the said Hampshire hotspot. Thank you for your thoughts.
Sorry to hear that Charles - all the best to you and your family
Just back from Tescos this morning and it was actually worse than Christmas. Lengthy queues for all payment methods; they've still got about 25 traditional tills in there and each one had at least five or six people with full family-sized trolleys snaking out the back of it.
They are clearly doing their best to keep up with demand and at least some supplies of most of the things that were entirely absent on Friday night (notably flour and tissues) were in evidence. However, the pasta shelf was still completely empty and I missed the last of the bog rolls by about five or ten minutes. There were a few people still walking around with packs of the things in their trolleys but the aisle contained nothing but empty pallets.
Beer supplies also replenished and looking well-stocked again. Except for Corona, that is.
BoZo may be managing the crisis well, but he is fucking up the information management, spreading confusion and panic.
He wants to be Churchill, but it's all a bit Chamberlain right now
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1239158618617974784?s=20
How to help your pals, sick gits.
Last week the IATA forecasting we were looking at already looked out of date.
I must now assume 50%+ likelihood of losing my job in the next 3 months. My company has strong financial muscle but I am probably not needed in a “keeping the lights on” scenario. At least I am on 6 months notice period.
I think I am relatively employable?
I have a heavy mortgage but one must hope that in extremis I can move to interest free, and/or govt mandated mortgage holiday.
We have to trust that the team behind the CMO and CSO are calling this one right.
1. Suspend repayment on loans. People owe cash to the bank - their house, their car, credit cards etc etc. A 6 month holiday on repayments in exchange for keeping the banks afloat. This means you don't need to pay your mortgage (or rent for all you private sector renters) or loan or credit card for the duration. All such arrangements are suspended.
2. Universal Basic Income. Parachute cash to everyone. In other times that would have been so they can spend it in Costa or whatever, but as Costa will have gone bust its to keep the people who used to work in Costa from having to eat grass
The entire rationale of the Johnson strategy is to avoid having to do ANY of this. But as country after country slowly ramps down economic activity I cannot see how we will be able to resist much longer. People will be told to WFH, then businesses big and small will get into major difficulties and the question will be do they pay to keep afloat business that isn't viable in the lockdown or do they pay to keep food in people's fridges and the roof over their heads?
You and I are on the opposite sides on the referendum but we converse well
I do think that we are now in an environment that we all need to be kinder and to be honest I really would like to hear your genuine thought through opinions on topical matters
Please try not to become tedious but help to contribute with constructive criticism, not destructive
All the best
They already do similar research across other major diseases, tracing lineages, genetic differences etc.
Normal Saturday traffic.
I bought, because PB wants to know, two lemons a cucumber, some talc, a pineapple, and a bottle of gin.
So it would not surprise me if the government has contacted World Snooker and told them on no account to cancel. The show must go on. The event will go ahead as a genuine public service. An integral part of our National Virus Response.
Caveat that Ronnie does not test positive in the meantime.
You should go there and say..
"Hey, don't worry; put the app away: I'm English."
The issue is NOT the likes of Virgin Atlantic. The issue is that the likes of Virgin Atlantic owe money to banks. So suspend the banking sector - all loans and outstanding monies will be covered by the BoE so that Virgin and Costa and our local museum and the dog walker don't have to go bust. You don't need to meet any of your financial obligations until all this is over.