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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Betfair voids its London Mayoral 2020 market following the election’s deferral until next year

If you have placed any Betfair bets on its London mayoral election market then I suggest you log into your account and check your account balance. For it appears that the betting exchange has voided the 2020 London election market following the decision to defer the vote until May 2021.

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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited March 2020
    A first world problem.

    It'll be warlords, not mayors, next year.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Second
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Another case of someone getting the dreaded lurgy, testing negative then getting sick again weeks later and testing positive again:

    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200315_13/
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Slight shame as I'd hedged a 61ish bet on Bailey there, but never mind.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    IshmaelZ said:

    A first world problem.

    It'll be warlords, not mayors, next year.

    It would be interesting to try to guess how many governments and regimes around the world will be toppled by this.

    What's happening in Iran at the minute?
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Any odds for Dr Raj for 2021 ?

    Rory will have exited the stage to the left by then I would guess.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Skybet are rolling the market over. Of course Khan will still win so it's not that big an issue for the seperate markets now
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited March 2020
    Yep the warmer weather is a real hope.

    Which is precisely why we should be doing everything in our power to buy as much time as possible. Sometimes you have to drag the beast to the shoreline. We should be dragging out this bastard virus into summer.

    The other reasons being buying time: 1. to improve treatments 2. build facilities and supplies 3. increase vaccine development window
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    edited March 2020
    FPT:
    TGOHF666 said:

    Mr. B, it's legitimate to report it, but leaving critical information until way down, and therefore giving a misleading picture, is not good reporting at all.

    The BBC seem to be actively courting controversy- look at this one sided line up of Lord Haw Haws..

    https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1239110284415041537?s=21

    I'm listening and it is a disgrace, they have repeated many dubious claims that have been debunked. Naturally the "scientists letter" has come up with no talk about the relevance of their qualifications.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,603
    Some anecdata from the Middle East - Gulf states, not Iran which is screwed.

    Make of it what you will, but they’re trying very hard here and failing to discover cases of local infection, close associates of people infected abroad are all testing negative.

    The temperature here is in the high 20s at the moment, and almost all indoor spaces are air conditioned.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123

    Yep the warmer weather is a real hope.

    Which is precisely why we should be doing everything in our power to buy as much time as possible. Sometimes you have to drag the beast to the shoreline. We should be dragging out this bastard virus into summer.

    The other reasons being buying time: 1. to improve treatments 2. build facilities and supplies 3. increase vaccine development window

    There is no cavalry over the horizon ready to save us. Once you understand that you will accept the strategy.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Three of my friends think they have it, can't be tested though as the guidelines have changed..
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    kyf_100 said:

    It would be interesting to try to guess how many governments and regimes around the world will be toppled by this.

    Several, I would imagine, and I would not rule out the one here in the UK.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,603
    kyf_100 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    A first world problem.

    It'll be warlords, not mayors, next year.

    It would be interesting to try to guess how many governments and regimes around the world will be toppled by this.

    What's happening in Iran at the minute?
    What little information is coming out of Iran suggests that they’re very close to a total breakdown of law and order. There’s some evidence of widespread internet outages, which are unlikely to be happening by accident.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Yep the warmer weather is a real hope.

    Which is precisely why we should be doing everything in our power to buy as much time as possible. Sometimes you have to drag the beast to the shoreline. We should be dragging out this bastard virus into summer.

    The other reasons being buying time: 1. to improve treatments 2. build facilities and supplies 3. increase vaccine development window

    There is no cavalry over the horizon ready to save us. Once you understand that you will accept the strategy.
    Which strategy? The CSO's flatten the curve strategy? I think you'll find vast majority of us have accepted it.
  • Perused PB earlier and saw Mystic’s posts re Facebook and Twitter meltdown, checked my Facebook/Twitter expecting armageddon and found people rationally discussing situation and/or making jokes. Or sharing this:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8&feature=share
    Spreading blind panic is going to make this a lot worse - it’s going to be bad enough.
    Oh and this is easily one of the best places to get a really broad view of most things Covid19 related. Thanks to Foxy I am busy boosting my immune system!


  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited March 2020
    FPT:

    malcolmg said:

    tyson said:

    Barnesian said:

    All French ski resorts have just been closed. Not a surprise.

    A full refund will be given in the form of a credit against a holiday next year.

    Surely they have to give you your money back (not a credit) if they can't fulfill their part of the contract?
    Jesus wept Benpointer...we need to give companies a break.....

    I had an air trip and car hire in Italy early April...I'm not claiming back....these are businesses that employ people who have mortgages....times have changed

    Let's stop being so fucking selfish...hashtag

    good luck hoping that , greedy grasping low life's everywhere will be trying to make out of it, big amount of people would stiff you rather than be decent. We will see the mettle of people in this and UK will be found wanting in many cases for sure, the me me me attitude in UK is pretty dire.
    Blimey, I'm being accused of being a 'greedy grasping lowlife' for wanting a refund (for our booked and fully paid for transantic QM2 crossing) rather than a 'future cruise credit'.

    Anyone know when, if I took the credit, I might be able to use it? Will the parent company Carnival still be solvent? How much is travel insurance to the US going to be next year?
    They are all piece of string questions. Most of the big cruise companies are carrying a lot of debt, to fund the expansion of the industry; Carnival has new ships in production.

    Personally I’d take the cash, so you know where you stand.

    My best guess is that the cruise industry will end up being closed for this year’s summer season, and quite possibly until year end. Whether shutdown continues beyond that depends on whether there is a second winter wave to the epidemic. My feeling is that cruising will be one of the last sectors to get back to normal, because of its particular vulnerability (environment and demographic), and the reluctance of ports to accept cruise ships in until the crisis is well and truly over.

    Whether there is industry consolidation or insolvencies, who can say. They are big well connected companies and (FWIW) Trump has just explicitly committed to back them.

    Unless demand collapses completely, I expect we will return to higher prices. The companies will have debt and other costs to cover, and I suspect there’ll be various other additional costs such as passenger screening, improved on board medical facilities, and so on. Plus there’ll be a lot of people who have postponed their trips or are walking around with future credit to spend.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Johnson’s Herd Immunity/Genocide Project is the very essence Capitalism is founded upon. When push comes to shove if you are the weakest link, goodbye. In a time of crisis like this, Capitalism itself needs to survive, so if you take out the pot and don’t put in during this, goodbye.

    In the header, note the word “voids” Liverpool fans.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,603
    glw said:

    FPT:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mr. B, it's legitimate to report it, but leaving critical information until way down, and therefore giving a misleading picture, is not good reporting at all.

    The BBC seem to be actively courting controversy- look at this one sided line up of Lord Haw Haws..

    https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1239110284415041537?s=21

    I'm listening and it is a disgrace, they have repeated many dubious claims that have been debunked. Naturally the "scientists letter" has come up with no talk about the relevance of their qualifications.
    What on Earth are the media playing at here? They’re losing their collective minds at a time when calm and rational thought is required.

    Think how most people, who are not not as engaged as we are on here, are taking this sort of ‘debate’.

    It’s going to be interesting to see what’s in the forthcoming emergency legislation with regard to the media. Somehow I don’t think they’re going to like it.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    kinabalu said:

    kyf_100 said:

    It would be interesting to try to guess how many governments and regimes around the world will be toppled by this.

    Several, I would imagine, and I would not rule out the one here in the UK.
    Not if they carry on in this shitshow fashion.

    There is NO strategy Gideon.

    It's not rocket fucking science. We should swallow our pride, listen to our betters i.e. the Chinese, South Koreans and Japanese and enact stringent measures. Obvs it's far too late but we should have closed all borders to everyone then isolated and contained, including banning all public gatherings, whilst issuing massive public health advice.

    It's a shitshow and the last vestiges of defence on here are from those who dismissed Eadric's 100% accurate warnings.

    I will take a bet with anyone that we will come out of this in 2-3 yrs time with one of the worst records in terms of spread and overall mortality of any developed country.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    Correct call, new candidates could enter the London Mayoral race in 2021, maybe even Lord Sugar
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Sandpit said:

    kyf_100 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    A first world problem.

    It'll be warlords, not mayors, next year.

    It would be interesting to try to guess how many governments and regimes around the world will be toppled by this.

    What's happening in Iran at the minute?
    What little information is coming out of Iran suggests that they’re very close to a total breakdown of law and order. There’s some evidence of widespread internet outages, which are unlikely to be happening by accident.
    What part of this is not self inflicted? What part of this is just bad luck, and not result of the arrogance and complacency of the human race? From live food markets to air travel, to capitalist liasez faire governments putting share price and dividends first, its 100% greed driven self inflicted.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    egg said:

    Johnson’s Herd Immunity/Genocide Project is the very essence Capitalism is founded upon. When push comes to shove if you are the weakest link, goodbye. In a time of crisis like this, Capitalism itself needs to survive, so if you take out the pot and don’t put in during this, goodbye.

    In the header, note the word “voids” Liverpool fans.

    Yep.

    Nailed it.

    It's The Herald of Free Enterprise all over again. Fuck those on board, let's set sail anyway.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,490
    Yes, very annoying since I'd built up a nice position on Khan.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited March 2020
    egg said:

    Johnson’s Herd Immunity/Genocide Project is the very essence Capitalism is founded upon. When push comes to shove if you are the weakest link, goodbye. In a time of crisis like this, Capitalism itself needs to survive, so if you take out the pot and don’t put in during this, goodbye.

    In the header, note the word “voids” Liverpool fans.

    What a load of rubbish when Boris is about to tell all over 70s to self isolate for 4 months and when building herd immunity in the young will reduce pressure on the NHS next winter
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited March 2020
    egg said:

    Sandpit said:

    kyf_100 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    A first world problem.

    It'll be warlords, not mayors, next year.

    It would be interesting to try to guess how many governments and regimes around the world will be toppled by this.

    What's happening in Iran at the minute?
    What little information is coming out of Iran suggests that they’re very close to a total breakdown of law and order. There’s some evidence of widespread internet outages, which are unlikely to be happening by accident.
    What part of this is not self inflicted? What part of this is just bad luck, and not result of the arrogance and complacency of the human race? From live food markets to air travel, to capitalist liasez faire governments putting share price and dividends first, its 100% greed driven self inflicted.
    Because if we embraced Marxism and uninvented the aeroplane life would be so much better.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    glw said:

    FPT:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Mr. B, it's legitimate to report it, but leaving critical information until way down, and therefore giving a misleading picture, is not good reporting at all.

    The BBC seem to be actively courting controversy- look at this one sided line up of Lord Haw Haws..

    https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1239110284415041537?s=21

    I'm listening and it is a disgrace, they have repeated many dubious claims that have been debunked. Naturally the "scientists letter" has come up with no talk about the relevance of their qualifications.
    Though the British Society for Immunology perhaps should be listened to:

    https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1239121318207000576?s=19
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Foxy said:



    @Dura_Ace was a fleet air arm pilot, so you are speaking bollocks. Few of us have his combat experience.

    Though he is not alone amongst combat vets in questioning wars and looking for a better solution.

    "The bayonet is a weapon with a worker at both ends," as Father Lenin, who was correct in all things, taught us.

    The notion that somebody as malevolent, solipsistic and dishonest as Johnson is entitled to our unquestioning and slavish support is risible. To entrust the fate of the country to him without scrutiny or demur is the truly unpatriotic act.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,603
    HYUFD said:
    One good news story this weekend anyway. Congratulations to Nadine and her mum. :+1:
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Can’t even brighten the day up by a trip to the supermarket as they are closed on Sunday! The sun is shining and it’s 17 I might sit on the terrace and see if a dog walker comes past and wants a chat.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    edited March 2020

    Mr. Egg, that's potentially the most idiotic thing I've ever read on PB since joining in 2007. My congratulations.

    Tell me, what advantage do you think a Conservative Prime Minister derives from an increased death toll of the elderly, who form the core of his electoral support?

    Why are the CMO and CSO going along with what you assert is a genocide project?

    Itd be one thing to suggest it would happen due to incompetence, but as an aim? Jesus Christ. I think its time to self isolate from PB for the foreseeable future.

    See you all on the other side of this wave, hopefully.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    Its amusing watching people lose what's left of their minds on here.

    The idea any PM, let alone a Tory PM - or the CSO or CMO are hatching a plan to kill off their elderly voters is the most bonkers thing ever.

    What price those most vocal in objecting to this strategy are those who were most vocal in wanting a mass euthanasia program prior to a second EU referendum, to make it easier to win?
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    Sandpit said:

    kyf_100 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    A first world problem.

    It'll be warlords, not mayors, next year.

    It would be interesting to try to guess how many governments and regimes around the world will be toppled by this.

    What's happening in Iran at the minute?
    What little information is coming out of Iran suggests that they’re very close to a total breakdown of law and order. There’s some evidence of widespread internet outages, which are unlikely to be happening by accident.
    Yes, if there was a market on it, Iran would definitely be the favourite right now.

    Now I'm wondering which other countries might go. Who knows what will happen if this thing takes hold in Africa. What will happen if the Russian economy implodes? Will Maduro meet the same fate as Mussolini?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AgRQ7-ybz4
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:
    One good news story this weekend anyway. Congratulations to Nadine and her mum. :+1:
    And a quick and apparently trouble free recovery. Especially for her mum who only got her cough a few days back.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837
    edited March 2020

    kinabalu said:

    kyf_100 said:

    It would be interesting to try to guess how many governments and regimes around the world will be toppled by this.

    Several, I would imagine, and I would not rule out the one here in the UK.
    Not if they carry on in this shitshow fashion.

    There is NO strategy Gideon.

    It's not rocket fucking science. We should swallow our pride, listen to our betters i.e. the Chinese, South Koreans and Japanese and enact stringent measures. Obvs it's far too late but we should have closed all borders to everyone then isolated and contained, including banning all public gatherings, whilst issuing massive public health advice.

    It's a shitshow and the last vestiges of defence on here are from those who dismissed Eadric's 100% accurate warnings.

    I will take a bet with anyone that we will come out of this in 2-3 yrs time with one of the worst records in terms of spread and overall mortality of any developed country.
    You are talking gibberish.

    Do you want to follow South Korea? Or do you want to close borders and ban public gatherings?

    Because South Korea are encouraging open but tested borders, no lockdowns and open and busy restaurants and public transport. What they have done differently is mass and quick testing.

    They are opposite strategies, supporting both makes no sense.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    egg said:

    Sandpit said:

    kyf_100 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    A first world problem.

    It'll be warlords, not mayors, next year.

    It would be interesting to try to guess how many governments and regimes around the world will be toppled by this.

    What's happening in Iran at the minute?
    What little information is coming out of Iran suggests that they’re very close to a total breakdown of law and order. There’s some evidence of widespread internet outages, which are unlikely to be happening by accident.
    What part of this is not self inflicted? What part of this is just bad luck, and not result of the arrogance and complacency of the human race? From live food markets to air travel, to capitalist liasez faire governments putting share price and dividends first, its 100% greed driven self inflicted.
    In Iran, you might just want to focus down on the medieval practice of licking holy shrines, instead of trying to blame technology and big business for all the world's ills. Technology and big business are our best hope of getting a way through this - and not by people turning to weird religious practices that should have died out centuries ago. (I include the wafer and the wine in that too.)

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/02/iranians-licking-religious-shrines-in-defiance-of-coronavirus-spread/
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    HYUFD said:
    If The Sun didn't have the headline NAD NOW DISEASED they should just shut up shop.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited March 2020

    Its amusing watching people lose what's left of their minds on here.

    The idea any PM, let alone a Tory PM - or the CSO or CMO are hatching a plan to kill off their elderly voters is the most bonkers thing ever.

    Agree. Some recent contributions are starting to make Eadric look relatively stable.

    Although PB readers surely will recall that something happens mysteriously to the middle aged to ensure that these elderly voters are always replaced?
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    edited March 2020

    Its amusing watching people lose what's left of their minds on here.

    The idea any PM, let alone a Tory PM - or the CSO or CMO are hatching a plan to kill off their elderly voters is the most bonkers thing ever.

    Seems to me that bringing down Boris Is a prize worth 1000s of deaths - like a Great Leap Forward for 2021.

    Or perhaps some are just hard wired to blame Tories for everything that goes wrong that this is no time to change.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020
    Whatever happens and however long it takes, global attitudes to globalisation are going to change. China is the engine and poster boy of the globalised economy, and apparently the starting point of this phenomenon. Meanwhile travel and international interaction are going to be reduced for a while.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Matt Hancock doesn’t look very well on Marr.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    egg said:

    Sandpit said:

    kyf_100 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    A first world problem.

    It'll be warlords, not mayors, next year.

    It would be interesting to try to guess how many governments and regimes around the world will be toppled by this.

    What's happening in Iran at the minute?
    What little information is coming out of Iran suggests that they’re very close to a total breakdown of law and order. There’s some evidence of widespread internet outages, which are unlikely to be happening by accident.
    What part of this is not self inflicted? What part of this is just bad luck, and not result of the arrogance and complacency of the human race? From live food markets to air travel, to capitalist liasez faire governments putting share price and dividends first, its 100% greed driven self inflicted.
    In Iran, you might just want to focus down on the medieval practice of licking holy shrines, instead of trying to blame technology and big business for all the world's ills. Technology and big business are our best hope of getting a way through this - and not by people turning to weird religious practices that should have died out centuries ago. (I include the wafer and the wine in that too.)

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/02/iranians-licking-religious-shrines-in-defiance-of-coronavirus-spread/
    I expect the Blarney Stone is enjoying a break from its usual stream of visitors.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    kinabalu said:

    kyf_100 said:

    It would be interesting to try to guess how many governments and regimes around the world will be toppled by this.

    Several, I would imagine, and I would not rule out the one here in the UK.
    Not if they carry on in this shitshow fashion.

    There is NO strategy Gideon.

    It's not rocket fucking science. We should swallow our pride, listen to our betters i.e. the Chinese, South Koreans and Japanese and enact stringent measures. Obvs it's far too late but we should have closed all borders to everyone then isolated and contained, including banning all public gatherings, whilst issuing massive public health advice.

    It's a shitshow and the last vestiges of defence on here are from those who dismissed Eadric's 100% accurate warnings.

    I will take a bet with anyone that we will come out of this in 2-3 yrs time with one of the worst records in terms of spread and overall mortality of any developed country.
    I am ok with it and I have expressly supported and agreed with eadric's warnings throughout. Whatever the merits of your position, shoutiness and saying "fucking" do not strengthen them.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    TGOHF666 said:

    Its amusing watching people lose what's left of their minds on here.

    The idea any PM, let alone a Tory PM - or the CSO or CMO are hatching a plan to kill off their elderly voters is the most bonkers thing ever.

    Seems to me that bringing down Boris Is a prize worth 1000s of deaths - like a Great Leap Forward for 2021.

    Or perhaps some are just hard wired to blame Tories for everything that goes wrong that this is no time to change.
    The spectacle of you accusing others of making this a partisan fight is deeply nauseating. Your Falklands War post on the last thread was as moronic and nasty as it was ignorant.

  • Its amusing watching people lose what's left of their minds on here.

    The idea any PM, let alone a Tory PM - or the CSO or CMO are hatching a plan to kill off their elderly voters is the most bonkers thing ever.

    It might not be bonkers. In a lose lose scenario do you want to lose the unproductive part of the economy or the productive? In a scenario where it's here, it's going to scythe through the population and there's not much you can do about it, letting nature take its course isn't the most stupid plan

    Cold, yes. But if national survival is the end game then letting CV19 "kill off their elderly voters" isn't bonkers. If the alternative is letting it kill both the elderly and large chunks of everyone else.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    Whatever happens and however long it takes, global attitudes to globalisation are going to change. China is the engine and poster boy of the globalised economy, and apparently the starting point of the outbreak.

    I am not so sure. In a year or so's time normality will be restored. Indeed the lesson we may learn from this is how interconnected we are and the importance of transnational institutions proven.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    Matt Hancock doesn’t look very well on Marr.

    Neither do the people whose prescription charges he's just increased.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    nichomar said:

    Can’t even brighten the day up by a trip to the supermarket as they are closed on Sunday! The sun is shining and it’s 17 I might sit on the terrace and see if a dog walker comes past and wants a chat.

    Enjoy it. As a bonus, the sun's UV should help zap any virus floating about.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Hancock rolling massively away from Herd Immunity thing. Not terribly clear on the strategy.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,603

    Matt Hancock doesn’t look very well on Marr.

    He’s probably been a little short on sleep for a few weeks now.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Dura_Ace said:

    Matt Hancock doesn’t look very well on Marr.

    Neither do the people whose prescription charges he's just increased.
    Perhaps you could start running a meme that he has a plan to kill all the old people who get theirs free?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Off to church now. Divine intervention needed.

    I expect a smaller congregation than usual.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    HYUFD said:
    Hoorah. Good news. Can go back to disagreeing with her politics.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020
    Foxy said:

    Whatever happens and however long it takes, global attitudes to globalisation are going to change. China is the engine and poster boy of the globalised economy, and apparently the starting point of the outbreak.

    I am not so sure. In a year or so's time normality will be restored. Indeed the lesson we may learn from this is how interconnected we are and the importance of transnational institutions proven.
    Transnational instititutions are more important than ever - as proven by the fact that we haven't been able to properly co-ordinate response to climate change, or address the problem of ever more mobile capital that undermines our attempts to raise labour or environmental standards ; but I think the greater scepticism might be more towards globalised economics than transnational institutions.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Herd Immunity not our policy; not our goal.

    Hancock.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    On Africa: I do wonder if the effect there might be far less than expected due to the younger populations (compared to Europe and North America). Against that is generally inferior healthcare (same comparison).
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,357
    FPT
    Alistair said:

    Incidentally I think coronavirus is the thing that could bring down Sturgeon rather than whatever bizarre rumour of the week is circulating on the Yooniverse.

    Scotland is fundamentally bound by the UK approach, there is no ability to differentiate from England and regardless of the merits of the strategy when body count starts rising people are going to naturally blame whoever is in charge and in Scotland that is Sturgeon.

    Don't be silly Alistair, we are all well aware of who is pulling the strings and preventing Scottish Government doing anything to help. We know who exactly is to blame when it all goes wrong , we will see the buffoon and his chums living it large and saying all is well, hard luck plebs.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036
    Foxy said:

    Off to church now. Divine intervention needed.

    I expect a smaller congregation than usual.

    I'd be giving it a miss if I were you.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    ZURICH, March 15 (Reuters) - Austria introduced major restrictions on movement in public places on Sunday, urging Austrians to self-isolate, banning gatherings of more than five persons and further reducing entries from other countries.

    It was not clear whether the restrictions were meant to come into force immediately, although restaurants were ordered closed from Tuesday.

    "Austrians are being summoned to isolate themselves," Chancellor Sebastian Kurz's office said in a statement. "That means only making social contact with the people with whom they live."

    Visitors from Great Britain, the Netherlands, Russia and Ukraine would not be allowed into the country, the chancellor's office said in a statement, unless they undertook two weeks of home quarantine or had a current health certificate. (Reporting by Brenna Hughes Neghaiwi Editing by Frances Kerry)
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052

    TGOHF666 said:

    Its amusing watching people lose what's left of their minds on here.

    The idea any PM, let alone a Tory PM - or the CSO or CMO are hatching a plan to kill off their elderly voters is the most bonkers thing ever.

    Seems to me that bringing down Boris Is a prize worth 1000s of deaths - like a Great Leap Forward for 2021.

    Or perhaps some are just hard wired to blame Tories for everything that goes wrong that this is no time to change.
    The spectacle of you accusing others of making this a partisan fight is deeply nauseating. Your Falklands War post on the last thread was as moronic and nasty as it was ignorant.

    Away off to communion and calm down (but don’t share the cup).
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    Foxy said:

    Whatever happens and however long it takes, global attitudes to globalisation are going to change. China is the engine and poster boy of the globalised economy, and apparently the starting point of the outbreak.

    I am not so sure. In a year or so's time normality will be restored. Indeed the lesson we may learn from this is how interconnected we are and the importance of transnational institutions proven.
    Transnational instititutions are more important than ever - as proven by the fact that we haven't been able to properly co-ordinate response to climate change, or address the problem of ever more mobile capital that undermines attempts to raise labour or environmental standards ; but I think the greater scepticism might be more towards globalised economics than transnational institutions.
    Both your and Foxy’s comments direct toward a 1945-style shift in politics towards the left, as I was floating earlier.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Sandpit said:

    Matt Hancock doesn’t look very well on Marr.

    He’s probably been a little short on sleep for a few weeks now.
    I dare say.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,533
    FPT
    We had a debate the other day where Rottenborough said that people wouldn't put up with quarantine for more than a couple of weeks, and I said nonchalantly that lots of us could stay at home for months with electronic media, no problem.

    The Peaton rumour, if true, will test my theory, as I turned 70 last month, so apparenly I'll be in strict quarantine for 4 months (wow, I can post all day on PB!). I'm up for it - it's a blunt instrument as I'm really in better health than many younger people, but I appreciate the Government can't mess about with individual assessment. I assume some food arrangements will be made - I've got two weeks' supply of dried/frozen food, but haven't want to panic-buy more.

    In general the measures that Peston leaks are more in line with other countries, so I'm happy to welcome them in principle. I'm puzzled by the Government's strategy, as some of the restrictions seem different from the "oh well, let's accept it and develop herd immunity gradually" idea. But with luck we'll get more clarity soon. If the idea is that most people develop immunity while oldies at higher risk are safely tucked away, I guess that's defensible.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Foxy said:

    Off to church now. Divine intervention needed.

    I expect a smaller congregation than usual.

    To think we had you down as a man of science.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052

    ZURICH, March 15 (Reuters) - Austria introduced major restrictions on movement in public places on Sunday, urging Austrians to self-isolate, banning gatherings of more than five persons and further reducing entries from other countries.

    It was not clear whether the restrictions were meant to come into force immediately, although restaurants were ordered closed from Tuesday.

    "Austrians are being summoned to isolate themselves," Chancellor Sebastian Kurz's office said in a statement. "That means only making social contact with the people with whom they live."

    Visitors from Great Britain, the Netherlands, Russia and Ukraine would not be allowed into the country, the chancellor's office said in a statement, unless they undertook two weeks of home quarantine or had a current health certificate. (Reporting by Brenna Hughes Neghaiwi Editing by Frances Kerry)

    Austrians are one of the heaviest smoking nations in Europe - will be informative how they fare over the crisis.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Great idea from Hancock to temporarily nationalise hotels as hospital bed factories. Will also help the hotel trade, most hotels empty.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Off to church now. Divine intervention needed.

    I expect a smaller congregation than usual.

    To think we had you down as a man of science.
    Ouch
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222

    Great idea from Hancock to temporarily nationalise hotels as hospital bed factories. Will also help the hotel trade, most hotels empty.

    I`d began tio think Hancock a bit of a light-weight, bt he`s having a good virus isn`t he.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    FPT
    We had a debate the other day where Rottenborough said that people wouldn't put up with quarantine for more than a couple of weeks, and I said nonchalantly that lots of us could stay at home for months with electronic media, no problem.

    The Peaton rumour, if true, will test my theory, as I turned 70 last month, so apparenly I'll be in strict quarantine for 4 months (wow, I can post all day on PB!). I'm up for it - it's a blunt instrument as I'm really in better health than many younger people, but I appreciate the Government can't mess about with individual assessment. I assume some food arrangements will be made - I've got two weeks' supply of dried/frozen food, but haven't want to panic-buy more.

    In general the measures that Peston leaks are more in line with other countries, so I'm happy to welcome them in principle. I'm puzzled by the Government's strategy, as some of the restrictions seem different from the "oh well, let's accept it and develop herd immunity gradually" idea. But with luck we'll get more clarity soon. If the idea is that most people develop immunity while oldies at higher risk are safely tucked away, I guess that's defensible.

    Many happy returns for last month.

    :smile:
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    Matt Hancock doesn’t look very well on Marr.

    Exhaustion and TV lighting will do that.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Foxy said:

    Off to church now. Divine intervention needed.

    I expect a smaller congregation than usual.

    I’d suggest worshiping from home.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,357
    FPT


    Benpointer said:

    » show previous quotes
    Blimey, I'm being accused of being a 'greedy grasping lowlife' for wanting a refund (for our booked and fully paid for transantic QM2 crossing) rather than a 'future cruise credit'.

    Anyone know when, if I took the credit, I might be able to use it? Will the parent company Carnival still be solvent? How much is travel insurance to the US going to be next year?

    Ben, I was not meaning you in particular at all, quite the opposite and maybe badly worded. I meant your average greedy grasping Brit , we see examples regularly of them wanting something for nothing and this will accelerate.@benpointer
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837

    Its amusing watching people lose what's left of their minds on here.

    The idea any PM, let alone a Tory PM - or the CSO or CMO are hatching a plan to kill off their elderly voters is the most bonkers thing ever.

    It might not be bonkers. In a lose lose scenario do you want to lose the unproductive part of the economy or the productive? In a scenario where it's here, it's going to scythe through the population and there's not much you can do about it, letting nature take its course isn't the most stupid plan

    Cold, yes. But if national survival is the end game then letting CV19 "kill off their elderly voters" isn't bonkers. If the alternative is letting it kill both the elderly and large chunks of everyone else.
    Not being able to stop it is not the same as hatching a plan to do it. That is the key piece of logic that seems to have escaped the populists mind. The actions the populists are demanding (closing borders/schools/economic activity) have not been shown to have any significant benefits as of yet.

    The SK approach is more interesting, and instinctively does have appeal. Im sure the UK govt are considering the merits of different strategies on a daily basis, and trust them to make a decision better than I possibly could or indeed even any qualified scientists working on their own can do.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653
    Hancock was excellent on Marr. Totally on top of his brief. There is absolutely no need for off-the-record stuff.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    Herd Immunity not our policy; not our goal.

    Hancock.

    But @HYUFD just told us that it was?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Whatever happens and however long it takes, global attitudes to globalisation are going to change. China is the engine and poster boy of the globalised economy, and apparently the starting point of the outbreak.

    I am not so sure. In a year or so's time normality will be restored. Indeed the lesson we may learn from this is how interconnected we are and the importance of transnational institutions proven.
    Transnational instititutions are more important than ever - as proven by the fact that we haven't been able to properly co-ordinate response to climate change, or address the problem of ever more mobile capital that undermines attempts to raise labour or environmental standards ; but I think the greater scepticism might be more towards globalised economics than transnational institutions.
    Both your and Foxy’s comments direct toward a 1945-style shift in politics towards the left, as I was floating earlier.
    An interesting idea that I personally certainly would welcome a lot, but it does have to be said that the most recent crisis in 2008 precipitated a shift to the right, when many predicted a shift to the left.

    There is something different here though, and it's over the role of national government and public infrastructure compared to unimpeded or apparently random global events. Even the more visible stimulus package in the US was nothing compared to the visibility of activist medical role governments are having to take here, instead of apparently funnelling money to pension funds and banks. As you say, this could mark a shift to a more social democratic outlook, particularly in places like the US, but, particularly if places like China are perceived to do better, it could also potentially mark a greater tolerance of authoritarianism.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:
    One good news story this weekend anyway. Congratulations to Nadine and her mum. :+1:
    There has not been 'one good news story' this week, that's the point. There are a million and one great things happening all over the world, but they don't make it to PB.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019

    Great idea from Hancock to temporarily nationalise hotels as hospital bed factories. Will also help the hotel trade, most hotels empty.

    There are a number of university campuses near major hospitals. If they empty the students out at Easter then it makes sense to grab these as well.
  • kle4 said:

    Mr. Egg, that's potentially the most idiotic thing I've ever read on PB since joining in 2007. My congratulations.

    Tell me, what advantage do you think a Conservative Prime Minister derives from an increased death toll of the elderly, who form the core of his electoral support?

    Why are the CMO and CSO going along with what you assert is a genocide project?

    Itd be one thing to suggest it would happen due to incompetence, but as an aim? Jesus Christ. I think its time to self isolate from PB for the foreseeable future.

    See you all on the other side of this wave, hopefully.
    Good morning

    I am utterly astonished by Mr Egg's post

    I have always read his posts with interest and while not always agreeing I enjoyed his points

    Today he has lost me totally

    What an extraordinsry and yes, irresponsible, post
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    TGOHF666 said:
    No less effective than going off to church. Indeed I guess the tiny tiny chance that the urine might contain some vital protective element makes it a better bet than singing ‘for those in peril on the sea,
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,357

    Its amusing watching people lose what's left of their minds on here.

    The idea any PM, let alone a Tory PM - or the CSO or CMO are hatching a plan to kill off their elderly voters is the most bonkers thing ever.

    Thinking they give a hoot for elderly is the lunatic thing, the PM wants to come out a hero and that is his only concern , your granny popping her clogs will be of no concern to him.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837
    Sandpit said:

    Some anecdata from the Middle East - Gulf states, not Iran which is screwed.

    Make of it what you will, but they’re trying very hard here and failing to discover cases of local infection, close associates of people infected abroad are all testing negative.

    The temperature here is in the high 20s at the moment, and almost all indoor spaces are air conditioned.

    Encouraging! Lets hope for a hot summer, although that does bring in play the double whammy of flu and coronavirus hitting deep in the winter. Imagine it will be harder for govts to re-introduce necessary measures then if the spring/summer does indeed limit the damage we see in the next few months.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    edited March 2020
    Stocky

    Yeah, he’s been decent. Seems both more honest and innovative than his cabinet colleagues.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,357

    Herd Immunity not our policy; not our goal.

    Hancock.

    Did not take them long to backpeddle, what will be next.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Does anyone know why the total number of cases in Japan almost halved on Friday? And I do mean total not active cases. Yesterday I though it was a blip but it has persisted through to cases for th 14th.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    SINGAPORE, March 15 (Reuters) - Singapore's health ministry on Sunday urged its citizens to defer all non-essential travel abroad as part of its latest measures to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

    Singapore will also tell all travelers to the country with recent travel history to southeast Asian nations, Japan, Switzerland or the United Kingdom to quarantine themselves at their place of residence for 14 days, the ministry added.

    These measures come as the majority of new infections being reported in the city-state over the past few days have been people arriving from overseas rather than local transmissions.

    The Asian travel hub is already set to bar from Monday entry or transit to visitors who have been in coronavirus-hit countries Italy, France, Spain or Germany in the last 14 days, as part of measures to control the spread of infection.

    It has a similar ban in place for travelers from Iran, South Korea and China.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    kinabalu said:

    kyf_100 said:

    It would be interesting to try to guess how many governments and regimes around the world will be toppled by this.

    Several, I would imagine, and I would not rule out the one here in the UK.
    Not if they carry on in this shitshow fashion.

    There is NO strategy Gideon.

    It's not rocket fucking science. We should swallow our pride, listen to our betters i.e. the Chinese, South Koreans and Japanese and enact stringent measures. Obvs it's far too late but we should have closed all borders to everyone then isolated and contained, including banning all public gatherings, whilst issuing massive public health advice.

    It's a shitshow and the last vestiges of defence on here are from those who dismissed Eadric's 100% accurate warnings.

    I will take a bet with anyone that we will come out of this in 2-3 yrs time with one of the worst records in terms of spread and overall mortality of any developed country.
    I am ok with it and I have expressly supported and agreed with eadric's warnings throughout. Whatever the merits of your position, shoutiness and saying "fucking" do not strengthen them.
    Well said
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited March 2020

    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Whatever happens and however long it takes, global attitudes to globalisation are going to change. China is the engine and poster boy of the globalised economy, and apparently the starting point of the outbreak.

    I am not so sure. In a year or so's time normality will be restored. Indeed the lesson we may learn from this is how interconnected we are and the importance of transnational institutions proven.
    Transnational instititutions are more important than ever - as proven by the fact that we haven't been able to properly co-ordinate response to climate change, or address the problem of ever more mobile capital that undermines attempts to raise labour or environmental standards ; but I think the greater scepticism might be more towards globalised economics than transnational institutions.
    Both your and Foxy’s comments direct toward a 1945-style shift in politics towards the left, as I was floating earlier.
    An interesting idea that I personally certainly would welcome a lot, but it does have to be said that the most recent crisis in 2008 precipitated a shift to the right, when many predicted a shift to the left.

    There is something different here though, and it's over the role of national government and public infrastructure compared to unimpeded or apparently random global events. Even the more visible stimulus package in the US was nothing compared to the visibility of activist medical role governments are having to take here, instead of apparently funnelling money to pension funds and banks. As you say, this could mark a shift to a more social democratic outlook, particularly in places like the US, but, particularly if places like China are perceived to do better, it could also potentially mark a greater tolerance of authoritarianism.
    I agree. The flaws in the 2008 argument were that the left didn’t have any coherent alternative to offer (and were often in office), even when the right hit upon austerity as the corrective, and that during a time of financial crisis people do tend to look toward the right.

    This time it’s a health and social crisis (with the economy as a consequence). History suggests the reverse, especially with Trump as a visible totem of where the conservative mindset can leave you. Boosting socialised healthcare is one of the left’s key platforms
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Its amusing watching people lose what's left of their minds on here.

    The idea any PM, let alone a Tory PM - or the CSO or CMO are hatching a plan to kill off their elderly voters is the most bonkers thing ever.

    But its a powerful message to promulgate if you want to scare oldies into voting Labour.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    malcolmg said:

    Its amusing watching people lose what's left of their minds on here.

    The idea any PM, let alone a Tory PM - or the CSO or CMO are hatching a plan to kill off their elderly voters is the most bonkers thing ever.

    Thinking they give a hoot for elderly is the lunatic thing, the PM wants to come out a hero and that is his only concern , your granny popping her clogs will be of no concern to him.
    This virus malarkey is making the days of PB's Brexit "debates" look like considered, rational and polite discussions.
  • malcolmg said:

    Its amusing watching people lose what's left of their minds on here.

    The idea any PM, let alone a Tory PM - or the CSO or CMO are hatching a plan to kill off their elderly voters is the most bonkers thing ever.

    Thinking they give a hoot for elderly is the lunatic thing, the PM wants to come out a hero and that is his only concern , your granny popping her clogs will be of no concern to him.
    But with respect to Granny if Coronavirus doesn't do her in there's a good chance any number of other things will - and does. Old people die, especially in winter. Yes I am worried about my frail sick parents. But no more so than normal as they get to the start of every winter joking that it could be their last.

    The idea that the PM is going to be responsible for old people dying of this is absurd, even if the strategy is to accept that a decent proportion of them were going to die of something else anyway so what does it matter if its Covid19 that finishes them off instead of normal flu or pneumonia or old age or all the other things that kill "your granny" in their tens of thousands every year.
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