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It'll be warlords, not mayors, next year.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200315_13/
What's happening in Iran at the minute?
Rory will have exited the stage to the left by then I would guess.
Which is precisely why we should be doing everything in our power to buy as much time as possible. Sometimes you have to drag the beast to the shoreline. We should be dragging out this bastard virus into summer.
The other reasons being buying time: 1. to improve treatments 2. build facilities and supplies 3. increase vaccine development window
Make of it what you will, but they’re trying very hard here and failing to discover cases of local infection, close associates of people infected abroad are all testing negative.
The temperature here is in the high 20s at the moment, and almost all indoor spaces are air conditioned.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8&feature=share
Spreading blind panic is going to make this a lot worse - it’s going to be bad enough.
Oh and this is easily one of the best places to get a really broad view of most things Covid19 related. Thanks to Foxy I am busy boosting my immune system!
Personally I’d take the cash, so you know where you stand.
My best guess is that the cruise industry will end up being closed for this year’s summer season, and quite possibly until year end. Whether shutdown continues beyond that depends on whether there is a second winter wave to the epidemic. My feeling is that cruising will be one of the last sectors to get back to normal, because of its particular vulnerability (environment and demographic), and the reluctance of ports to accept cruise ships in until the crisis is well and truly over.
Whether there is industry consolidation or insolvencies, who can say. They are big well connected companies and (FWIW) Trump has just explicitly committed to back them.
Unless demand collapses completely, I expect we will return to higher prices. The companies will have debt and other costs to cover, and I suspect there’ll be various other additional costs such as passenger screening, improved on board medical facilities, and so on. Plus there’ll be a lot of people who have postponed their trips or are walking around with future credit to spend.
In the header, note the word “voids” Liverpool fans.
Think how most people, who are not not as engaged as we are on here, are taking this sort of ‘debate’.
It’s going to be interesting to see what’s in the forthcoming emergency legislation with regard to the media. Somehow I don’t think they’re going to like it.
There is NO strategy Gideon.
It's not rocket fucking science. We should swallow our pride, listen to our betters i.e. the Chinese, South Koreans and Japanese and enact stringent measures. Obvs it's far too late but we should have closed all borders to everyone then isolated and contained, including banning all public gatherings, whilst issuing massive public health advice.
It's a shitshow and the last vestiges of defence on here are from those who dismissed Eadric's 100% accurate warnings.
I will take a bet with anyone that we will come out of this in 2-3 yrs time with one of the worst records in terms of spread and overall mortality of any developed country.
Nailed it.
It's The Herald of Free Enterprise all over again. Fuck those on board, let's set sail anyway.
Tell me, what advantage do you think a Conservative Prime Minister derives from an increased death toll of the elderly, who form the core of his electoral support?
Why are the CMO and CSO going along with what you assert is a genocide project?
The idea any PM, let alone a Tory PM - or the CSO or CMO are hatching a plan to kill off their elderly voters is the most bonkers thing ever.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1239121318207000576?s=19
The notion that somebody as malevolent, solipsistic and dishonest as Johnson is entitled to our unquestioning and slavish support is risible. To entrust the fate of the country to him without scrutiny or demur is the truly unpatriotic act.
See you all on the other side of this wave, hopefully.
Now I'm wondering which other countries might go. Who knows what will happen if this thing takes hold in Africa. What will happen if the Russian economy implodes? Will Maduro meet the same fate as Mussolini?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AgRQ7-ybz4
Do you want to follow South Korea? Or do you want to close borders and ban public gatherings?
Because South Korea are encouraging open but tested borders, no lockdowns and open and busy restaurants and public transport. What they have done differently is mass and quick testing.
They are opposite strategies, supporting both makes no sense.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/02/iranians-licking-religious-shrines-in-defiance-of-coronavirus-spread/
Although PB readers surely will recall that something happens mysteriously to the middle aged to ensure that these elderly voters are always replaced?
Or perhaps some are just hard wired to blame Tories for everything that goes wrong that this is no time to change.
Cold, yes. But if national survival is the end game then letting CV19 "kill off their elderly voters" isn't bonkers. If the alternative is letting it kill both the elderly and large chunks of everyone else.
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736(20)30567-5
I expect a smaller congregation than usual.
Hancock.
Alistair said:
Incidentally I think coronavirus is the thing that could bring down Sturgeon rather than whatever bizarre rumour of the week is circulating on the Yooniverse.
Scotland is fundamentally bound by the UK approach, there is no ability to differentiate from England and regardless of the merits of the strategy when body count starts rising people are going to naturally blame whoever is in charge and in Scotland that is Sturgeon.
Don't be silly Alistair, we are all well aware of who is pulling the strings and preventing Scottish Government doing anything to help. We know who exactly is to blame when it all goes wrong , we will see the buffoon and his chums living it large and saying all is well, hard luck plebs.
It was not clear whether the restrictions were meant to come into force immediately, although restaurants were ordered closed from Tuesday.
"Austrians are being summoned to isolate themselves," Chancellor Sebastian Kurz's office said in a statement. "That means only making social contact with the people with whom they live."
Visitors from Great Britain, the Netherlands, Russia and Ukraine would not be allowed into the country, the chancellor's office said in a statement, unless they undertook two weeks of home quarantine or had a current health certificate. (Reporting by Brenna Hughes Neghaiwi Editing by Frances Kerry)
We had a debate the other day where Rottenborough said that people wouldn't put up with quarantine for more than a couple of weeks, and I said nonchalantly that lots of us could stay at home for months with electronic media, no problem.
The Peaton rumour, if true, will test my theory, as I turned 70 last month, so apparenly I'll be in strict quarantine for 4 months (wow, I can post all day on PB!). I'm up for it - it's a blunt instrument as I'm really in better health than many younger people, but I appreciate the Government can't mess about with individual assessment. I assume some food arrangements will be made - I've got two weeks' supply of dried/frozen food, but haven't want to panic-buy more.
In general the measures that Peston leaks are more in line with other countries, so I'm happy to welcome them in principle. I'm puzzled by the Government's strategy, as some of the restrictions seem different from the "oh well, let's accept it and develop herd immunity gradually" idea. But with luck we'll get more clarity soon. If the idea is that most people develop immunity while oldies at higher risk are safely tucked away, I guess that's defensible.
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Blimey, I'm being accused of being a 'greedy grasping lowlife' for wanting a refund (for our booked and fully paid for transantic QM2 crossing) rather than a 'future cruise credit'.
Anyone know when, if I took the credit, I might be able to use it? Will the parent company Carnival still be solvent? How much is travel insurance to the US going to be next year?
Ben, I was not meaning you in particular at all, quite the opposite and maybe badly worded. I meant your average greedy grasping Brit , we see examples regularly of them wanting something for nothing and this will accelerate.@benpointer
The SK approach is more interesting, and instinctively does have appeal. Im sure the UK govt are considering the merits of different strategies on a daily basis, and trust them to make a decision better than I possibly could or indeed even any qualified scientists working on their own can do.
There is something different here though, and it's over the role of national government and public infrastructure compared to unimpeded or apparently random global events. Even the more visible stimulus package in the US was nothing compared to the visibility of activist medical role governments are having to take here, instead of apparently funnelling money to pension funds and banks. As you say, this could mark a shift to a more social democratic outlook, particularly in places like the US, but, particularly if places like China are perceived to do better, it could also potentially mark a greater tolerance of authoritarianism.
I am utterly astonished by Mr Egg's post
I have always read his posts with interest and while not always agreeing I enjoyed his points
Today he has lost me totally
What an extraordinsry and yes, irresponsible, post
Yeah, he’s been decent. Seems both more honest and innovative than his cabinet colleagues.
Singapore will also tell all travelers to the country with recent travel history to southeast Asian nations, Japan, Switzerland or the United Kingdom to quarantine themselves at their place of residence for 14 days, the ministry added.
These measures come as the majority of new infections being reported in the city-state over the past few days have been people arriving from overseas rather than local transmissions.
The Asian travel hub is already set to bar from Monday entry or transit to visitors who have been in coronavirus-hit countries Italy, France, Spain or Germany in the last 14 days, as part of measures to control the spread of infection.
It has a similar ban in place for travelers from Iran, South Korea and China.
This time it’s a health and social crisis (with the economy as a consequence). History suggests the reverse, especially with Trump as a visible totem of where the conservative mindset can leave you. Boosting socialised healthcare is one of the left’s key platforms
The idea that the PM is going to be responsible for old people dying of this is absurd, even if the strategy is to accept that a decent proportion of them were going to die of something else anyway so what does it matter if its Covid19 that finishes them off instead of normal flu or pneumonia or old age or all the other things that kill "your granny" in their tens of thousands every year.