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  • kjohnw1 said:

    Boris needs to get outside Downing Street tomorrow and make a statement assuring the people that the NHS is safe in his hands and that no one should have to be without a bed. He needs to link the Brexit dividend back to the NHS and promise £350 million extra a week from the moment we leave .

    But why would anyone believe him? He has been caught lying before - he was even fired once because of his creative imagination...
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729

    Me thinks it's going to be like 1992. It's definitely not looking very 1983

    You think you think you think. Noone knows..
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    Anyone else having trouble signing on?

    I have had to revert to Vanilla (ugh!) as PB.com is not allowing me to sign on to comment
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    edited December 2019
    Cookie said:

    So - we're fucked?

    Yes.

    [Edit - longer, updated version posted up-thread (or down-thread.... whichever) ]
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Me thinks it's going to be like 1992. It's definitely not looking very 1983

    You think you think you think. Noone knows..
    If opinions were not allowed on here it would be a pretty sterile site tbf.

    Keep on thinking @CorrectHorseBattery !
  • gordonBrookergordonBrooker Posts: 44
    edited December 2019
    Xtrain said:

    Is it now taken as given that Tories always lose vote share throughout a campaign or is it a recent phenomenon?

    It's very simple - the sheer scale of media smearing of Labour these days (basically now they are seen as a genuine threat to the establishment and not just a tame Tory Plan B ) massively depresses their polling and performance in second order elections but when it comes to the real vote and people start looking at the policies and real people involved they start to realise they actually like them after all.

    We are in a new zeitgeist just like 1979 but the other way and it is only the immense power of our country's elite to shape the narrative that is keeping the Tories going against political gravity. But it's running out of steam and soon.

    The Tories are still caught up in their origin myths of the eighties and think that things will never change.
  • Cookie said:

    So - we're fucked?

    "We're all f***ed. I'm f***ed. You're f***ed. The whole department is f***ed. It's the biggest cock-up ever. We're all completely f***ed." - Sir Richard Mottram
  • Chuka looks decent to take Westminster.

    The Tory majority looks to come unravelled by a surprise poor performance in London, Wales and Scotland. Which the latter was my original prediction.
  • Xtrain said:

    Is it now taken as given that Tories always lose vote share throughout a campaign or is it a recent phenomenon?

    It's very simple - the sheer scale of media smearing of Labour these days (basically now they are seen as a genuine threat to the establishment and not just a tame Tory Plan B ) massively depresses their polling and performance in second order elections but when it comes to the real vote and people start looking at the policies and real people involved they start to realise they actually like them after all.

    We are in a new zeitgeist just like 1979 but the other way and it is only the immense power of our country's elite to shape the narrative that is keeping the Tories going against political gravity. But it's running out of steam and soon.

    The Tories are still caught up in their origin myths of the eighties and think that things will never change.
    It's social media. That's the big change.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    Foxy said:

    What's that smell? :wink:

    Byronic's brown trousers, it's what all transitioning male models are wearing tonight.

    😅
    Haha - hope he's got his rubber pants on! :lol:
  • This poll has given Labour voters still with the Lib Dems a reason to switch back. They can steal 2% from there easily and they still have the Greens and undecideds to squeeze.

    Hung Parliament here we come. GTTO.
  • Pidcock landslide 2024!

    Pidcock isn't guaranteed to win her own seat. Only 5% ahead with updated Yougov
  • Stick some money on Winchester and Guilford Lib Dem gains
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    This poll has given Labour voters still with the Lib Dems a reason to switch back. They can steal 2% from there easily and they still have the Greens and undecideds to squeeze.

    Hung Parliament here we come. GTTO.

    With respect, the sensible thing for all those opposed to the Tories is to think tactically. No point in potential LibDem voters in Cities or Finchley or Esher switching to Labour... the opposite needs to happen.

    In many other seats, where Labour are the closest challenger, LDs should switch to Labour since that would give them the best chance of influencing power post election.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    What would really blow this election apart would be for Corbyn and Swinson to publicly ask that, for a dozen or so selected seats each, where the other party is the closest challanger, their voters support that challenger rather than vote for their own party.

    That would likely wipe the majority away.

    In fact, from Corbyn's perspective he should do that regardless of any reciprocity from the LDs. If the LDs can grab another dozen seats from the Tories because Labour are tacitly telling their supporters only the LDs can win there, that could make all the difference.

    Not going to happen though is it?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,361
    speedy2 said:

    The Conservatives could be wiped out in northern scotland.
    Only a predicted strong Labour revival keeps the SNP seats lower.

    https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2019/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=website_article&utm_campaign=MRP_26_Nov_2019

    Tory surge receding yet again, who would have thought it
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    What would really blow this election apart would be for Corbyn and Swinson to publicly ask that, for a dozen or so selected seats each, where the other party is the closest challanger, their voters support that challenger rather than vote for their own party.

    That would likely wipe the majority away.

    In fact, from Corbyn's perspective he should do that regardless of any reciprocity from the LDs. If the LDs can grab another dozen seats from the Tories because Labour are tacitly telling their supporters only the LDs can win there, that could make all the difference.

    Not going to happen though is it?

    I don't think so but as Heseltine effectively said Brexit is for life, not just for Xmas.

    Labour clearly can't win Cheltenham and the LDs can't win either Milton Keynes seat. It only needs people in 20 seats like that to swap their vote.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386
    kjohnw1 said:

    Boris needs to get outside Downing Street tomorrow and make a statement assuring the people that the NHS is safe in his hands and that no one should have to be without a bed. He needs to link the Brexit dividend back to the NHS and promise £350 million extra a week from the moment we leave .

    That is what he should have said yesterday, thinking on his feet and without a script, like the master campaigner we all assumed he was.
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