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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    viewcode said:
    Looks like an arrogant arse
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,605
    nico67 said:

    Anyone watching the Channel 4 documentary on the 737 Max.

    Absolutely shocking .

    No, thanks for flagging it up.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 31% (-2)
    LDM: 15% (+1)
    BXP: 5% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, 18-19 Nov.
    Changes w/ 13-14 Nov.

    Does this include the entirety of yesterday, just thinking it might not include the debate, not that I was really expecting an immediate surge anyway. If anything will happen it will be post the manifesto tomorrow.
    You still expecting a Labour surge? :D
  • Andy_JS said:

    A constituency poll is taking place in Cities of London and Westminster by Populus/Deltapoll according to this post on the VoteUK forum.

    http://vote-2012.proboards.com/post/869666/thread

    Populus and Deltapoll?

    Cannot recall two different pollsters carrying out a joint poll.
    Do Populus still do GB polling?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,614
    HYUFD said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 31% (-2)
    LDM: 15% (+1)
    BXP: 5% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, 18-19 Nov.
    Changes w/ 13-14 Nov.

    Labour down with the Tories and LDs gaining, great poll for the Tories
    Another poll where the direction of travel is all wrong for Labour.

  • GIN1138 said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 31% (-2)
    LDM: 15% (+1)
    BXP: 5% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, 18-19 Nov.
    Changes w/ 13-14 Nov.

    Does this include the entirety of yesterday, just thinking it might not include the debate, not that I was really expecting an immediate surge anyway. If anything will happen it will be post the manifesto tomorrow.
    You still expecting a Labour surge? :D
    I am yes.

    https://twitter.com/ChrisHopkins92/status/1197268338591834112

    It doesn't.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,444

    In dystopian news from Sky

    Posts made via Safari or Chrome browsers containing the word "vote" appear to have been blocked on Facebook in the UK raising concerns about censorship

    Blocked in the sense that you can't make them to your own timeline, or blocked in the sense that the browsers filter them out of your timeline?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,236

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Because Ken Starr has such a great success rate successfully impeaching presidents.

    Plus while the Senate remains GOP Trump is going nowhere
    Actually Ken Starr has a 100% record on impeaching Presidents.

    He asked the House to impeach Clinton and they did.

    Impeachment and conviction are two different things as the betting markets and US constitution will will tell you.
    We’ve already had “that phoney emoluments clause”.
    What’s the odds Trump will say the same about Congress’ powers of impeachment ?

    Though John Roberts is unlikely to support him on that....
    I'm convinced we're heading for this situation.

    Trump loses the election next year but refuses to leave because he says the Dems rigged the election.
    It’s not impossible.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,605
    edited November 2019
    HYUFD said:

    Gabs3 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Because Ken Starr has such a great success rate successfully impeaching presidents.

    Plus while the Senate remains GOP Trump is going nowhere
    Down to ignominious defeat next November.

    Unless a few Republican Senators rediscover their self respect in the meantime.
    Far from it

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1197223932279037957?s=20
    Starting to think Trump will win Wisconsin but lose Arizona.
    If Trump wins Wisconsin he almost certainly wins Arizona and re election, even if he does not the Democrats still need to win Michigan and Pennsylvania too.

    In reality Trump still looks good for re election beyond the beltway
    Wisconsin is the crucial state on Dave Leip's user prediction page. At the moment it's Dem 101, Rep 89. If it flips the overall prediction becomes a Trump win, because the ECVs are currently on Dem 278, Rep 260.

    https://uselectionatlas.org/PRED/PRESIDENT/2020/pred.php
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Looks like Randy Andy is going to keep his £250,000 per year despite doing nothing.

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1197269296126341120

    He should be forced to go on universal credit.

    How would he cope during the 5 week wait for the first payment?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    Anyone watching the Channel 4 documentary on the 737 Max.

    Absolutely shocking .

    No, thanks for flagging it up.
    You might need to go to plus 1 as it’s nearly over . But it shows how corporate interests were allowed to be put before the safety of passengers .

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,236
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Because Ken Starr has such a great success rate successfully impeaching presidents.

    Plus while the Senate remains GOP Trump is going nowhere
    Down to ignominious defeat next November.

    Unless a few Republican Senators rediscover their self respect in the meantime.
    Far from it

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1197223932279037957?s=20
    Marquette... nice choice.
    https://www.wuwm.com/post/marquette-poll-director-misreading-2016-election#stream/0
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    In dystopian news from Sky

    Posts made via Safari or Chrome browsers containing the word "vote" appear to have been blocked on Facebook in the UK raising concerns about censorship

    Blocked in the sense that you can't make them to your own timeline, or blocked in the sense that the browsers filter them out of your timeline?
    Dunno, it was a sky tweet
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,494
    nico67 said:

    Anyone watching the Channel 4 documentary on the 737 Max.

    Absolutely shocking .

    Shocking yes, surprising no. I've done courses on software safety and systems safety and part of the systems safety coursework involved reading, digesting and commenting on the safety of a particular air crash investigation report. It was shocking how profits were more important than the safety of the passengers. In the report I read the airline cut costs on maintenance and over the pacific ocean the plane catastrophically and unrecoverably lost control of the plane.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    It's difficult to escape the obvious that if one of the major UK wide parties had Nicola they would be miles ahead. A very impressive politician.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Rory is apparently already knocking on London doors for his mayoral campaign. Given how many London homes there are he is wise to get started early.
  • Looks like Randy Andy is going to keep his £250,000 per year despite doing nothing.

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1197269296126341120

    He should be forced to go on universal credit.

    "Beyond reproach", eh, Boris?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,444

    Looks like Randy Andy is going to keep his £250,000 per year despite doing nothing.

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1197269296126341120

    He should be forced to go on universal credit.

    It's hush money, as in "keep your head down and don't do anything to get yourself into the papers".
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    HYUFD said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 31% (-2)
    LDM: 15% (+1)
    BXP: 5% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, 18-19 Nov.
    Changes w/ 13-14 Nov.

    Labour down with the Tories and LDs gaining, great poll for the Tories
    Average of 4 polls so far this week:

    Con 42.8
    Lab 30.0
    LD 14.8
    BXP 4.0

    Con lead 12.8
    The average Tory lead was 15.5% at this stage in GE2017, but it had already begun to fall.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,605

    HYUFD said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 31% (-2)
    LDM: 15% (+1)
    BXP: 5% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, 18-19 Nov.
    Changes w/ 13-14 Nov.

    Labour down with the Tories and LDs gaining, great poll for the Tories
    Average of 4 polls so far this week:

    Con 42.8
    Lab 30.0
    LD 14.8
    BXP 4.0

    Con lead 12.8
    The average Tory lead was 15.5% at this stage in GE2017, but it had already begun to fall.
    In 2017 the Tories began the campaign on 50%, so it was difficult for them to go in any other direction than down.
  • HYUFD said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 31% (-2)
    LDM: 15% (+1)
    BXP: 5% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, 18-19 Nov.
    Changes w/ 13-14 Nov.

    Labour down with the Tories and LDs gaining, great poll for the Tories
    Average of 4 polls so far this week:

    Con 42.8
    Lab 30.0
    LD 14.8
    BXP 4.0

    Con lead 12.8
    The average Tory lead was 15.5% at this stage in GE2017, but it had already begun to fall.
    I think - although I might be wrong - the Labour manifesto had already come out and we'd already had a debate?

    It's difficult to match them up relatively. But Labour needs to make progress this week to stand a chance.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Updated with ComRes -- https://imgur.com/1eWkCUt

    Thought this was appropriate: https://i.imgur.com/VRmgDj7.gif
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,605
    nico67 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    Anyone watching the Channel 4 documentary on the 737 Max.

    Absolutely shocking .

    No, thanks for flagging it up.
    You might need to go to plus 1 as it’s nearly over . But it shows how corporate interests were allowed to be put before the safety of passengers .

    It'll probably be on their catch-up service.
  • HYUFD said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 31% (-2)
    LDM: 15% (+1)
    BXP: 5% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, 18-19 Nov.
    Changes w/ 13-14 Nov.

    Labour down with the Tories and LDs gaining, great poll for the Tories
    Average of 4 polls so far this week:

    Con 42.8
    Lab 30.0
    LD 14.8
    BXP 4.0

    Con lead 12.8
    The average Tory lead was 15.5% at this stage in GE2017, but it had already begun to fall.
    Tory lead in ELBOW for week-ending:
    17th November 12.1%
    10th November 9.7%
    3rd November 12.1%
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038

    Looks like Randy Andy is going to keep his £250,000 per year despite doing nothing.

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1197269296126341120

    He should be forced to go on universal credit.

    Has the queen been on a sunbed or has she been to a fancy dress with Justin Trudeau?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,156
    malcolmg said:

    viewcode said:
    Looks like an arrogant arse
    He probably is, but aren't we supposed to listen to the children nowadays?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    RobD said:

    Updated with ComRes -- https://imgur.com/1eWkCUt

    Thought this was appropriate: https://i.imgur.com/VRmgDj7.gif

    Nice chart, thanks.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited November 2019
    Drutt said:

    Is anyone else watching Ronin on ITV4?

    Moreover, is anyone watching Ronin on ITV4 and *not* simultaneously browsing Autotrader for an old Audi S8?

    What colour is the boathouse at Hear-ford?
  • ukelectukelect Posts: 140
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting that UK Elect have Tom Brake losing Carshalton
    Cant see it.....

    Their model is rubbish if it's predicting Brake to lose.
    That prediction (a loss by a few hundred votes) seems to be influenced by the Brexit leave percentage in the constituency. It actually includes a projected incumbency bonus for Tom Brake and some tactical voting in his favour.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,156
    edited November 2019

    Looks like Randy Andy is going to keep his £250,000 per year despite doing nothing.

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1197269296126341120

    He should be forced to go on universal credit.

    "Beyond reproach", eh, Boris?
    He didn't say individuals were beyond reproach, eh, Sunil?

    His response has issues without pretending it was saying something it wasn't.

    But Corbyn had the much better snappy response.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,614

    Looks like Randy Andy is going to keep his £250,000 per year despite doing nothing.

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1197269296126341120

    He should be forced to go on universal credit.

    "Beyond reproach", eh, Boris?
    Prince Andrew is not "The Monarchy". He has never had any chance of being the Monarch. He has never exercised any of the powers of the Monarch.

    He's just an objectionable oik.
  • That Labour crash in the last week of 2017 is weird - what happened there?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,156
    GIN1138 said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 31% (-2)
    LDM: 15% (+1)
    BXP: 5% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, 18-19 Nov.
    Changes w/ 13-14 Nov.

    Does this include the entirety of yesterday, just thinking it might not include the debate, not that I was really expecting an immediate surge anyway. If anything will happen it will be post the manifesto tomorrow.
    You still expecting a Labour surge? :D
    I am, depending on what you call a surge - Tories had some great polls pre debate, it won't be hard to see Labour cut into that a little.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    Prince Andrew used to be a slightly louche party boy minor royal, fairly effective trade envoy and very well regarded casevac helicopter pilot.

    But, just like Man Utd and the Black Eyed Peas, it's been downhill since Fergie left.


    With apologies to the ten or twelve per cent of the English-speaking world who have already made this joke.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    This is the sort of stuff that haunts the Tory campaign the way the fox hunting repeal and Ivory sales did at GE 2017

    https://twitter.com/soniasodha/status/1197140022224445440

    Oh, rubbish. This is absolutely standard practice. The only people who'll get excited about it wouldn't vote Tory in a month of Sundays.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293

    HYUFD said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 31% (-2)
    LDM: 15% (+1)
    BXP: 5% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, 18-19 Nov.
    Changes w/ 13-14 Nov.

    Labour down with the Tories and LDs gaining, great poll for the Tories
    Another poll where the direction of travel is all wrong for Labour.

    That Labour surge is coming you just wait! :D
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,444

    Looks like Randy Andy is going to keep his £250,000 per year despite doing nothing.

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1197269296126341120

    He should be forced to go on universal credit.

    "Beyond reproach", eh, Boris?
    Prince Andrew is not "The Monarchy". He has never had any chance of being the Monarch. He has never exercised any of the powers of the Monarch.

    He's just an objectionable oik.
    There was probably a time when he would have been lined up to be Regent if necessary, but it would take a lot to make that necessary now.
  • NEW THREAD

  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    The Comres has a range of questions on suggested Labour policies . All score well barring one which goes down badly would be any increase in Inheritance Tax .

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293

    That Labour crash in the last week of 2017 is weird - what happened there?

    There's always a swing to the governing party in the final days and hours before voting...
  • Looks like Randy Andy is going to keep his £250,000 per year despite doing nothing.

    https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1197269296126341120

    He should be forced to go on universal credit.

    "Beyond reproach", eh, Boris?
    Prince Andrew is not "The Monarchy". He has never had any chance of being the Monarch. He has never exercised any of the powers of the Monarch.

    He's just an objectionable oik.
    He is part of the *institution* of the Monarchy :p
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 31% (-2)
    LDM: 15% (+1)
    BXP: 5% (=)

    Via @SavantaComRes, 18-19 Nov.
    Changes w/ 13-14 Nov.

    Labour down with the Tories and LDs gaining, great poll for the Tories
    Average of 4 polls so far this week:

    Con 42.8
    Lab 30.0
    LD 14.8
    BXP 4.0

    Con lead 12.8
    The average Tory lead was 15.5% at this stage in GE2017, but it had already begun to fall.
    In 2017 the Tories began the campaign on 50%, so it was difficult for them to go in any other direction than down.
    Fake news.

    The Tories didn't begin GE17 on 50% - the average of the six polls before the election was called was 42.8%. It rose during the first few weeks of the election, to sit in the 45-50% range, then fell back to the 40-45% range during the last three weeks.

    They really go down that much though, it was more that Labour went up.
  • ukelectukelect Posts: 140

    Interesting that UK Elect have Tom Brake losing Carshalton
    Cant see it.....

    Any thoughts on Kensington? UKElect has:

    Felicity Buchan, Conservative 14235 36.89%
    Sam Gyimah, Lib. Dem. 12882 33.38%
    Emma Dent Coad, Labour 11154 28.90%
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,149
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Because Ken Starr has such a great success rate successfully impeaching presidents.

    Plus while the Senate remains GOP Trump is going nowhere
    Down to ignominious defeat next November.

    Unless a few Republican Senators rediscover their self respect in the meantime.
    Far from it

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1197223932279037957?s=20
    Marquette... nice choice.
    https://www.wuwm.com/post/marquette-poll-director-misreading-2016-election#stream/0
    Marquette had Hillary ahead in Wisconsin in 2016, if Trump is now ahead that is terrible for the Democrats
  • I just remembered, Test Cricket is back with us. A reminder that all is well with the world really.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    ukelect said:

    Interesting that UK Elect have Tom Brake losing Carshalton
    Cant see it.....

    Any thoughts on Kensington? UKElect has:

    Felicity Buchan, Conservative 14235 36.89%
    Sam Gyimah, Lib. Dem. 12882 33.38%
    Emma Dent Coad, Labour 11154 28.90%
    I'd fancy a slightly bigger majority here for the Tories, 6 to 8% clear
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,236
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Because Ken Starr has such a great success rate successfully impeaching presidents.

    Plus while the Senate remains GOP Trump is going nowhere
    Down to ignominious defeat next November.

    Unless a few Republican Senators rediscover their self respect in the meantime.
    Far from it

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1197223932279037957?s=20
    Marquette... nice choice.
    https://www.wuwm.com/post/marquette-poll-director-misreading-2016-election#stream/0
    Marquette had Hillary ahead in Wisconsin in 2016, if Trump is now ahead that is terrible for the Democrats
    You’re assuming they’re not just crap.

    And also that nothing will change between last week and next November.
    IOW no better than your opinion, whatever that might be worth.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited November 2019
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting that UK Elect have Tom Brake losing Carshalton
    Cant see it.....

    Their model is rubbish if it's predicting Brake to lose.
    Why? 56.6% Leave and only a 2.7% margin. Its only a 1.4% swing required to see him lose.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited November 2019
    eek said:

    Actually that's not 100% correct. Cutting taxes does actually benefit those not currently paying the tax by encouraging them to earn more. Taxes put off people from earning more, especially when this combines with other taxes and/or the removal of benefits.

    The minimum wage for over 25s (living wage) is £8.21 per hour. 30 hours per week at £8.21 per hour takes you to £12.8k per annum. 20 hours per week at £8.21 takes you to £8.5k per annum.

    If someone is currently working at 20 hours per week and is worried about the impact on taxes and the withdrawal of benefits and this change encourages them to increase to working 30 hour per week then theoretically they would have been classed as not gaining from this change previously but the reality is they gain more than anyone else.

    That is why some tax stats never add up, because they forget that changing tax rates and thresholds changes behaviour.

    If you are working 20 hours a week and qualify for working tax credits - chances are they a single parent with children in school or nursery and cannot work more hours due to child care reasons.
    Maybe, maybe not. I have known a lot of people working 20 hours who don't want to work more because they think its not worth it due to taxes/benefits.

    I've also known a smaller number of people who legitimately work 20 hours then work cash in hand more hours so they don't lose their benefits or pay taxes.

    Not everyone is the same. The fraud cases are a small proportion but the people who are put off working more they could work as it is "not worth it" are much, much higher.

    That is why IMO merging Income Tax and NICs is a good start but not enough IMO. Income Tax, NICs and Universal Credit should all be merged and nobody should be taxed at a high percentage. If you're losing 65% of every pound you earn due to lost Universal Credit and 12p in every pound you earn due to NICs then your effective income tax is 77%.

    We wouldn't tax higher earners at 77% so why do we tax the poor at that rate? No wonder people think working 20 hours is enough and no point working more!
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    camel said:

    I'm going to ask Shadsy to open up a market on The Duke of York becoming the Governor of the Bahamas.

    Governor of the Falklands would be appropriate in so many ways.
    Do the Pitcairn Islands have a role for Randy Andy?
    St Helena is the obvious place for him to go. Saw some really big graffiti still there in 2011, welcoming him in the mid-1980s.
    He was there with my ex-boyfriend, my first serious love, a photographer who took photos of St Helena and had an exhibition of them in London, which Prince Andrew opened.

    I have one of the photos - a beautiful landscape of St Helena - on my wall at home.

    For obvious reasons, I was a bit miffed that we had gone our separate ways before the St Helena trip.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Let us not forget that our current monarch performed Nazi salutes.

    Although not in the past 80-odd years. She's hardly been out on recent Tommy Robinson rallies, has she now?
    Well she didn't get upset when her grandson dressed up as a Nazi or used the term 'Paki'.
    How the hell do you know?

    Honestly, there is a perfectly reasonable case to be made against a monarchy but you weaken yours considerably, indeed make it look ridiculous, when you cite the Queen doing something as a child when she simply could not have known what it meant as a reason not to have a monarchy.
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