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  • Roger said:

    eek said:

    We've all missed this

    https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1169554644261134336

    Could it be that Sinn Fein will send MPs via a different route by supporting a non Sinn Fein candidate.


    That Johnson is a crook beyond anyone's imagination repeated ad nauseam is not news. This is! A complete game changer .
    The DUP may not be so keen on an early election.

    And it could point the way toward similar arrangements between mainland parties (a strong possibility anyway IMO).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,888
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    dr_spyn said:

    https://hanburystrategy.com/polling/onward-the-politics-of-belonging/

    Haven't seen them poll before - apologies if others posted earlier.

    Con 33, Lab 26, LD 17, BxP 14, Green 3. (3-4 Sept).

    Tories plus Brexit Party 47%

    Labour plus LDs plus Greens 46%
    ...plus SNP plus PC...
    Yes that's how you reach the general 53-47 split or so.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,562
    edited September 2019

    IanB2 said:

    Just looking at Liverpool Wavertree. I got it wrong recalling it was a LD seat. It's never been, though the LD did come a reasonably good second in both 2005 and 2010 (majorities of only 5k and 7k respectively for Labour). However, they've been pushed into fourth in 2015 and then third in 2017.

    Berger is going to need a huge personal vote to hold the seat, and I also see (according to Wiki) that the LDs had already selected a candidate (Richard Kemp) who has fought the seat previously. I see he is 66 years old, so perhaps he could be pursuaded to 'retire' his intention to stand?

    Berger will stand in Finchley and Kemp in Liverpool
    Is that said from a considered position? Is Berger from Finchley or something? The LD's have already selected a candidate there too (one Clareine Enderby) and the seat is a tight Con-Lab marginal with the LD nowhere.

    She'd be better sticking with Wavertree than trying Finchley and Golders Green.
    Yes, Berger has a London home in Finchley apparently. And you don't need me to explain why Corbyn's Labour might not be a big draw in Finchley and Golders Green, and why Luciana Berger might be.
    I think it was also the highest vote anywhere for Change:UK in the Euroes, so fertile ground indeed.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,354
    Scott_P said:
    The dissolution honours list will see some of them right for their "decades of service".......as long as they go off quietly.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,427

    HYUFD said:
    That’d be a hung parliament methinks.
    Electoral calculus says Con maj 46
    I think UNS will be useless this election.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Looks like Gove just lied to the select committee
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,427
    Scott_P said:

    Looks like Gove just lied to the select committee

    What did he say?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    HYUFD said:
    That’d be a hung parliament methinks.
    Electoral calculus says Con maj 46
    Take off 10 Scottish seats they wont get that EC thinks they will
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,316

    Roger said:

    eek said:

    We've all missed this

    https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1169554644261134336

    Could it be that Sinn Fein will send MPs via a different route by supporting a non Sinn Fein candidate.


    That Johnson is a crook beyond anyone's imagination repeated ad nauseam is not news. This is! A complete game changer .
    The DUP may not be so keen on an early election.

    And it could point the way toward similar arrangements between mainland parties (a strong possibility anyway IMO).
    I susoect the SF offer wont play out in NI the way you think it will.
  • Scott_P said:

    HYUFD said:

    ITV news says Boris will refuse to go to Brussels and ask for an extension even if the anti No Deal Bill passes

    Genius.

    Ana election campaign based on "You can't trust BoZo" starts with "BoZo breaks the law"

    Thanks. Drinks all round.
    I have news for you - neither side of the electorate gives two ***** about the law. All anyone cares about at this point is winning.
  • Roger said:


    Look at the direction of travel. Boris's reputation is being mangled in slow motion and public opinion is hardening. Can anyone with a straight face say they trust Boris Johnson personally professionally morally or in any way at all?

    This is all true. But you can also substitute Donald Trump and the same sentence still works, yet he failed to refute any of it and just consistently hit messages that resonated with his target voters, and now he's president of the United States, terrifyingly.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    ITV news says Boris will refuse to go to Brussels and ask for an extension even if the anti No Deal Bill passes

    Then he'll be held in comtept of parliment.
    If you don't trust Johnson to do this surely best not to have him as PM on the day ?

    I expect the EU will give us an extension anyway, practically demand we have a GE to try and sort out some different HoC numbers and stick us on final warning for arsing about.

    If you don't trust Johnson then you have an election on the 14th.

    If you either want to i a) Humiliate him or ii b) Are worried he might go for no deal because he has a majority to overturn Benn then you seek an election after.

    It's almost as bad a fib as the Tory line about the extensive prorogation being primarily for the purpose of a Queens Speech.

    Boris doesn't have a majority anymore. Once Benn's bill is enacted it's time not for a vote but for a VONC..
  • blueblue said:

    HYUFD said:

    ITV news says Boris will refuse to go to Brussels and ask for an extension even if the anti No Deal Bill passes

    Then he'll be held in comtept of parliment.
    And? So what? Parliament would be held in contempt by leavers, who would walk through fire to vote for Boris.
    I would guess he would be chucked out of parliment, and therefore sacked as PM.
  • HYUFD said:

    ITV news says Boris will refuse to go to Brussels and ask for an extension even if the anti No Deal Bill passes

    Then he'll be held in comtept of parliment.
    Have we established if Parliament can instruct a Prime Minister? Especially on an international treaty, which is a prerogative matter.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    tpfkar said:

    IanB2 said:

    Just looking at Liverpool Wavertree. I got it wrong recalling it was a LD seat. It's never been, though the LD did come a reasonably good second in both 2005 and 2010 (majorities of only 5k and 7k respectively for Labour). However, they've been pushed into fourth in 2015 and then third in 2017.

    Berger is going to need a huge personal vote to hold the seat, and I also see (according to Wiki) that the LDs had already selected a candidate (Richard Kemp) who has fought the seat previously. I see he is 66 years old, so perhaps he could be pursuaded to 'retire' his intention to stand?

    Berger will stand in Finchley and Kemp in Liverpool
    Is that said from a considered position? Is Berger from Finchley or something? The LD's have already selected a candidate there too (one Clareine Enderby) and the seat is a tight Con-Lab marginal with the LD nowhere.

    She'd be better sticking with Wavertree than trying Finchley and Golders Green.
    Yes, Berger has a London home in Finchley apparently. And you don't need me to explain why Corbyn's Labour might not be a big draw in Finchley and Golders Green, and why Luciana Berger might be.
    I think it was also the highest vote anywhere for Change:UK in the Euroes, so fertile ground indeed.
    I think Steatham was top for them but the London areas were solid 5% to 7% change
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    edited September 2019
    tpfkar said:

    IanB2 said:

    Just looking at Liverpool Wavertree. I got it wrong recalling it was a LD seat. It's never been, though the LD did come a reasonably good second in both 2005 and 2010 (majorities of only 5k and 7k respectively for Labour). However, they've been pushed into fourth in 2015 and then third in 2017.

    Berger is going to need a huge personal vote to hold the seat, and I also see (according to Wiki) that the LDs had already selected a candidate (Richard Kemp) who has fought the seat previously. I see he is 66 years old, so perhaps he could be pursuaded to 'retire' his intention to stand?

    Berger will stand in Finchley and Kemp in Liverpool
    Is that said from a considered position? Is Berger from Finchley or something? The LD's have already selected a candidate there too (one Clareine Enderby) and the seat is a tight Con-Lab marginal with the LD nowhere.

    She'd be better sticking with Wavertree than trying Finchley and Golders Green.
    Yes, Berger has a London home in Finchley apparently. And you don't need me to explain why Corbyn's Labour might not be a big draw in Finchley and Golders Green, and why Luciana Berger might be.
    I think it was also the highest vote anywhere for Change:UK in the Euroes, so fertile ground indeed.
    Labour is unlikely to win in Finchley, but a lot of non-Tory voters will have backed them in the absence of any other credible challenge.

    But the biggest change will arise from Labour’s chance visibly disappearing.

    Berger will transform the dynamics in that seat. If she pulls across the Tory remainers and the many who voted Tory simply from fear of a Labour gain, she’s in.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,888

    Roger said:

    eek said:

    We've all missed this

    https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1169554644261134336

    Could it be that Sinn Fein will send MPs via a different route by supporting a non Sinn Fein candidate.


    That Johnson is a crook beyond anyone's imagination repeated ad nauseam is not news. This is! A complete game changer .
    The DUP may not be so keen on an early election.

    And it could point the way toward similar arrangements between mainland parties (a strong possibility anyway IMO).
    You can take those who voted for the 1st election as definites in my opinion, Ronnie Campbell was as good an indicator as any (A good friend of Corbyn's and hard brexiter) of Corbyn's true thoughts I think.

    The Gov't needs to rustle up 20 or so more to pass a 1 line bill.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342

    Roger said:

    eek said:

    We've all missed this

    https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1169554644261134336

    Could it be that Sinn Fein will send MPs via a different route by supporting a non Sinn Fein candidate.


    That Johnson is a crook beyond anyone's imagination repeated ad nauseam is not news. This is! A complete game changer .
    The DUP may not be so keen on an early election.

    And it could point the way toward similar arrangements between mainland parties (a strong possibility anyway IMO).
    Indeed. The Alliance, supported en masse by SF votes, threatens several hitherto secure DUP seats.
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    edited September 2019

    HYUFD said:
    That’d be a hung parliament methinks.
    Electoral calculus says Con maj 46
    I think UNS will be useless this election.
    There seens to be two reasons this could be the case. First, tactical voting and, second, Labour getting a better spread of seats than previously.

    They now have a tactical voting plug we can be generous with and I can't see the argument for why they would get a better spread than last time. Their spread was already very good and it seems like the voters they have lost have been the suburban types that are the distributed ones.
  • kinabalu said:

    Id rather wait until the campaign starts. The LD risk is if Brexit is kicked in to the long grass the immediacy of No Deal has gone. So has the LDs biggest issue.

    The LDs can always underperform, true, it's one of the constant themes of British politics. But this time I sense could be different.

    Long grass? Not sure a 3 month extension counts as that.
    Yeah.. I think it's going to feel pretty immediate this time if we vote during a 3 month extension, and people will be more focused on it than in 2017. That will work in favour of those with a clear, simple Brexit position (either way). And (therefore) against Labour.

    My hunch is the Lib Dems are less toxic for those on the left than in 2017 (student loans will feel like old news this time round, IMO, especially if you think Corbyn's a weasel on Brexit)... and may also pick up some of the Clarkeite wing of the Tories who feel they've been left outside.

    But never underestimate the "sticky" vote for the big two.. inherited through generations of families.. which will give Lab and Con at least 5 per cent more than they deserve (alongside their other FPTP advantages).
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,121

    JRM announces another attempt on a GE in the HOC on Monday

    Can't Bercow refuse this?
    I'm not sure he could. Its not a bill being brought back unaltered. Its a HoC vote for a GE.
    If he could/did, it would be politically 'brave'.
    In any event, it will still need a 2/3rds majority, so Corbyn holds the power.
    With respect Ben, the SNP hold the power. If they agree 15th October Corbyn will be snookered
    How? Con + SNP doesn't = 2/3rds
    It would be politically impossible for Corbyn to say no
    If this is another FTPA request, then Corbyn could whip abstention with the same result but better optics
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,888

    blueblue said:

    HYUFD said:

    ITV news says Boris will refuse to go to Brussels and ask for an extension even if the anti No Deal Bill passes

    Then he'll be held in comtept of parliment.
    And? So what? Parliament would be held in contempt by leavers, who would walk through fire to vote for Boris.
    I would guess he would be chucked out of parliment, and therefore sacked as PM.
    PM doesn't have to be in Parliament iirc, he just has to have the confidence of it. Or was it that they needed to be in either Commons or Lords ?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    ITV news says Boris will refuse to go to Brussels and ask for an extension even if the anti No Deal Bill passes

    Then he'll be held in comtept of parliment.
    If you don't trust Johnson to do this surely best not to have him as PM on the day ?

    I expect the EU will give us an extension anyway, practically demand we have a GE to try and sort out some different HoC numbers and stick us on final warning for arsing about.

    If you don't trust Johnson then you have an election on the 14th.

    If you either want to i a) Humiliate him or ii b) Are worried he might go for no deal because he has a majority to overturn Benn then you seek an election after.

    It's almost as bad a fib as the Tory line about the extensive prorogation being primarily for the purpose of a Queens Speech.

    Boris doesn't have a majority anymore. Once Benn's bill is enacted it's time not for a vote but for a VONC..
    Depends which comes first, if an election bill is passing, a VONC stands zero chance of success
  • blueblue said:

    HYUFD said:

    ITV news says Boris will refuse to go to Brussels and ask for an extension even if the anti No Deal Bill passes

    Then he'll be held in comtept of parliment.
    And? So what? Parliament would be held in contempt by leavers, who would walk through fire to vote for Boris.
    I would guess he would be chucked out of parliment, and therefore sacked as PM.
    And then what? Boris is out as PM, there is no extension because he hasn't signed it, AND THEN WHAT?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
  • Gabs2 said:

    Scott_P said:

    HYUFD said:

    ITV news says Boris will refuse to go to Brussels and ask for an extension even if the anti No Deal Bill passes

    Genius.

    Ana election campaign based on "You can't trust BoZo" starts with "BoZo breaks the law"

    Thanks. Drinks all round.
    I think doing that would actually build trust among Brexit Party types.
    But it would lose trust among the 85% of voters who are not Brexit party types.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077

    Scott_P said:

    Looks like Gove just lied to the select committee

    What did he say?
    https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1169592289179709441
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    Gabs2 said:

    HYUFD said:
    That’d be a hung parliament methinks.
    Electoral calculus says Con maj 46
    I think UNS will be useless this election.
    There seens to be two reasons this could be the case. First, tactical voting and, second, Labour getting a better spread of seats than previously.

    They now have a tactical voting plug we can be generous with and I can't see the argument for why they would get a better spread than last time. Their spread was already very good and it seems like the voters they have lost have been the suburban types that are the distributed ones.
    More fundamentally, the ‘minor’ parties will play a bigger role, and UNS never worked for them in the first place, even back in the old days. Further, the basis of politics is shifting from class toward culture, with a strong age dimension, and this falls differently in different geographies.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Have we established if Parliament can instruct a Prime Minister? Especially on an international treaty, which is a prerogative matter.

    Is extending Article 50 a Treaty change?
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268

    Roger said:


    Look at the direction of travel. Boris's reputation is being mangled in slow motion and public opinion is hardening. Can anyone with a straight face say they trust Boris Johnson personally professionally morally or in any way at all?

    This is all true. But you can also substitute Donald Trump and the same sentence still works, yet he failed to refute any of it and just consistently hit messages that resonated with his target voters, and now he's president of the United States, terrifyingly.
    I think this is right. The trust argument only works because you don't trust politicians to do what you want them to do. But if an untrustworthy politician has become completely dependent on you, like Trump has with evangelicals, he suddenly becomes very trustworthy from their perspective, in an odd sort of way.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,873
    Endillion said:

    IanB2 said:

    Just looking at Liverpool Wavertree. I got it wrong recalling it was a LD seat. It's never been, though the LD did come a reasonably good second in both 2005 and 2010 (majorities of only 5k and 7k respectively for Labour). However, they've been pushed into fourth in 2015 and then third in 2017.

    Berger is going to need a huge personal vote to hold the seat, and I also see (according to Wiki) that the LDs had already selected a candidate (Richard Kemp) who has fought the seat previously. I see he is 66 years old, so perhaps he could be pursuaded to 'retire' his intention to stand?

    Berger will stand in Finchley and Kemp in Liverpool
    Is that said from a considered position? Is Berger from Finchley or something? The LD's have already selected a candidate there too (one Clareine Enderby) and the seat is a tight Con-Lab marginal with the LD nowhere.

    She'd be better sticking with Wavertree than trying Finchley and Golders Green.
    Ahh, I've now found https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/09/luciana-bergers-defection-coup-jo-swinson-and-opportunity-lib-dems

    But the LDs do appear too far behind to win. She could end up allowing the Cons to keep the seat.
    She's much more likely to end up allowing Labour to take the seat. That part of the world isn't particularly fond of Brexit (albeit it did vote heavily for Johnson twice as mayor, but then again it really hates Ken Livingstone).

    Given her stated reasons for leaving the Labour party, you'd have thought preventing a Corbyn government would be at least roughly as important to Berger as preventing (a No Deal) Brexit.
    I must admit, being a good Merseyside lad, I have a dislike for MPs who bounce around seats to try to win, especially when it concerns Merseyside.

    I hate McVey for running from Wirral West. I'd have the same opinion of Berger if she runs from Wavertree.

    I know Merseyside is donkey with a red rosette territory, but I wish some of these MPs would stick with the area they know or where elected in originally rather than bounce around half the country trying to find safe seats.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077

    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    ITV news says Boris will refuse to go to Brussels and ask for an extension even if the anti No Deal Bill passes

    Then he'll be held in comtept of parliment.
    If you don't trust Johnson to do this surely best not to have him as PM on the day ?

    I expect the EU will give us an extension anyway, practically demand we have a GE to try and sort out some different HoC numbers and stick us on final warning for arsing about.

    If you don't trust Johnson then you have an election on the 14th.

    If you either want to i a) Humiliate him or ii b) Are worried he might go for no deal because he has a majority to overturn Benn then you seek an election after.

    It's almost as bad a fib as the Tory line about the extensive prorogation being primarily for the purpose of a Queens Speech.

    Boris doesn't have a majority anymore. Once Benn's bill is enacted it's time not for a vote but for a VONC..
    Depends which comes first, if an election bill is passing, a VONC stands zero chance of success
    If I am correct the request is made but cannot be voted on because Parliament being prorogued

    And everything is optics at the moment.
  • NEW THREAD

  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    Byronic said:

    148grss said:
    How many journalists based in Brussels will lose their jobs if/when Brexit?

    How many experts in EU law? How many EU-oriented civil servants? How many academics, technocrats, pundits, thinkers, specializing in EU/UK matters?

    A few will cling on. But most will go. Many thousands. It will be like the Dissolution of the Monasteries.
    It won't be that much like the dissolution of the monasteries will it. For a start it won't be a net gain to the public purse.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,888
    edited September 2019
    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    eek said:

    We've all missed this

    https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1169554644261134336

    Could it be that Sinn Fein will send MPs via a different route by supporting a non Sinn Fein candidate.


    That Johnson is a crook beyond anyone's imagination repeated ad nauseam is not news. This is! A complete game changer .
    The DUP may not be so keen on an early election.

    And it could point the way toward similar arrangements between mainland parties (a strong possibility anyway IMO).
    Indeed. The Alliance, supported en masse by SF votes, threatens several hitherto secure DUP seats.
    None of the Belfast seats are particularly secure for the DUP - East was gained in an alliance surge a few years back, South was always an SDLP seat for ages and North has a 2081 majority over the 'ra. shinners.

    SDLP/Sinn Fein South/North & Sinn Fein/Alliance North/East agreements make sense though the latter will cost the Alliance soft remain unionist votes.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited September 2019

    Scott_P said:

    Looks like Gove just lied to the select committee

    What did he say?
    Farage will not be in the debates?
  • blueblue said:

    HYUFD said:

    ITV news says Boris will refuse to go to Brussels and ask for an extension even if the anti No Deal Bill passes

    Then he'll be held in comtept of parliment.
    And? So what? Parliament would be held in contempt by leavers, who would walk through fire to vote for Boris.
    I would guess he would be chucked out of parliment, and therefore sacked as PM.
    Why sacked as PM? There is no constitutional requirement for the PM to be in Parliament. He would either have to resign, or be VONCed
  • ab195ab195 Posts: 477
    edited September 2019
    If I was Boris I’d be starting to think of a Bonfire Night election....

    “Remember, remember, the 5th or September, surrender etc. etc”.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    eek said:

    We've all missed this

    https://twitter.com/spconnolly/status/1169554644261134336

    Could it be that Sinn Fein will send MPs via a different route by supporting a non Sinn Fein candidate.


    That Johnson is a crook beyond anyone's imagination repeated ad nauseam is not news. This is! A complete game changer .
    The DUP may not be so keen on an early election.

    And it could point the way toward similar arrangements between mainland parties (a strong possibility anyway IMO).
    Indeed. The Alliance, supported en masse by SF votes, threatens several hitherto secure DUP seats.
    None of the Belfast seats are particularly secure for the DUP - East was gained in an alliance surge a few years back, South was always an SDLP seat for ages and North has a 2081 majority over the 'ra. shinners.

    SDLP/Sinn Fein South/North & Sinn Fein/Alliance North/East agreements make sense though the latter will cost the Alliance soft remain unionist votes.
    I think it's more the latter may cost Alliance soft remain unionist votes - where else can they go.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    The only DUP seats under threat from a SF climbdown are Lagan Valley and the belfast seat they got from the SDLP. Theyll come to an accommodation with the UUP in South Antrim and are north of 50% in the rest. One other Belfast seat is SF/DUP marginal
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337
    edited September 2019

    blueblue said:

    HYUFD said:

    ITV news says Boris will refuse to go to Brussels and ask for an extension even if the anti No Deal Bill passes

    Then he'll be held in comtept of parliment.
    And? So what? Parliament would be held in contempt by leavers, who would walk through fire to vote for Boris.
    I would guess he would be chucked out of parliment, and therefore sacked as PM.
    Why sacked as PM? There is no constitutional requirement for the PM to be in Parliament. He would either have to resign, or be VONCed
    I think it's a reasonable working assumption that the same majority who chucked him out of parliament would VONC him at the same time.
  • Nigelb said:

    This is an article which is both fairly devastating about Biden, and at the same time an explanation of his enduring popularity:
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/joe-biden-iraq-vote-what-now.html

    I'm not convinced that constantly reflecting the opinions of the average US voter (as they change over time) is quite the qualification for actually leading the country...

    Maybe not but if the situation is that the current president is a dangerous maniac, and everybody knows this but he still might somehow win again if they disagree with the challenger too much, it might be the safest way out of the situation.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    HYUFD said:
    Labour gradually recovering, will be even with Tories by polling day. Goodbye BoZo.

    Christmas dinner looks to be fun in the Johnson household. Chlorinated Turkey anyone? :)
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    ITV news says Boris will refuse to go to Brussels and ask for an extension even if the anti No Deal Bill passes

    Then he'll be held in comtept of parliment.
    If you don't trust Johnson to do this surely best not to have him as PM on the day ?

    I expect the EU will give us an extension anyway, practically demand we have a GE to try and sort out some different HoC numbers and stick us on final warning for arsing about.

    If you don't trust Johnson then you have an election on the 14th.

    If you either want to i a) Humiliate him or ii b) Are worried he might go for no deal because he has a majority to overturn Benn then you seek an election after.

    It's almost as bad a fib as the Tory line about the extensive prorogation being primarily for the purpose of a Queens Speech.

    Boris doesn't have a majority anymore. Once Benn's bill is enacted it's time not for a vote but for a VONC..
    Depends which comes first, if an election bill is passing, a VONC stands zero chance of success
    If I am correct the request is made but cannot be voted on because Parliament being prorogued

    And everything is optics at the moment.
    If the election vote passes then parliament is dissolved not prorogued
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269

    Pulpstar said:

    Jonathan said:
    Putting Corbyn into bat would be a massive risk for Johnson but advised by Cummings I suspect.
    It’s possible this process finishes off both Johnson and Corbyn.

    That would be rather nice.
    Wouldn’t it just. We can but hope.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,262
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:
    Labour gradually recovering, will be even with Tories by polling day. Goodbye BoZo.

    Christmas dinner looks to be fun in the Johnson household. Chlorinated Turkey anyone? :)
    'Labour gradually recovering?' Labour polling worse than Foot and Boris now has as big a lead as Cameron did in 2015 when he won a majority with Hanbury
  • FlannerFlanner Posts: 437

    Endillion said:

    Wavertree. I got it wrong recalling it was a LD seat. It's never been

    .
    Wavertree includes a lot of the old Edge Hill constituency, which David Alton held for the LDs from 1979 to 97, after it rebranded as Mossley Hill.

    Though the idea of including much of Edge Hill (as working class as any seat in Britain) into a constituency called Mossley Hill (in my day, a synonym for poshness) was surreal. And Alton's popularity in such a seat gives the lie to the "only Labour can win in Liverpool" myth that's taken over the political commentariat.
  • Flanner said:

    Endillion said:

    Wavertree. I got it wrong recalling it was a LD seat. It's never been

    .
    Wavertree includes a lot of the old Edge Hill constituency, which David Alton held for the LDs from 1979 to 97, after it rebranded as Mossley Hill.

    Though the idea of including much of Edge Hill (as working class as any seat in Britain) into a constituency called Mossley Hill (in my day, a synonym for poshness) was surreal. And Alton's popularity in such a seat gives the lie to the "only Labour can win in Liverpool" myth that's taken over the political commentariat.
    While the “red echo” (in politics and football bias) is the only source of news most people in the city get. It will be a truism
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