Johnson's plan is what he said it was all along. Who could have thought it?
I keep saying that. If people insist on telling you their master plan, then it is usually good practice to listen and consider that they might actually do it.
Funny how for years, awkward euroskeptic Tories were told to shut up for the good of the party by the likes of Soames and Soubry, but clearly that doesn't apply to them.
They didn't though, did they?
They didn't openly speak of bringing down Tory governments and enter coalition with opposition parties.
Not sure John Major would agree with that. IIRC IDS and friends were in contact with Labour during his leadership.
Whilst Corbyn is not the man to do it , it would be good to see some Labour MPs seeking to undermine Johnson by highlighting his low standards re- personal morality etc? 'Can the PM inform the House how many Bastards he has fathered to date? ' ' How much maintenance is he now paying to ex-partners etc'.
Already priced in
It would have to be a bit more subtle - 'As we know from the PM's long established history of fathering children out of wedlock etc' - 'How many broken homes does the PM currently bear direct responsibility for?' -'How many paternity tests does he expect to take in the next 6 months?
Whilst Corbyn is not the man to do it , it would be good to see some Labour MPs seeking to undermine Johnson by highlighting his low standards re- personal morality etc? 'Can the PM inform the House how many Bastards he has fathered to date? ' ' How much maintenance is he now paying to ex-partners etc'.
Classy - nice to see that kinder gentler politics in action
To be fair, Boris is giving Corbyn a damn good thrashing.
He is but Corbyn will do a lot better once Labour's team analyse Boris's weak points, and even better after they extract a 30-seconds video for social media. As noted earlier in this thread, almost no-one watches live telly.
Yes - your right Boris is a completely unknown entity and his victory came as a huge surprise.....
Quite noteworthy that the government benches are far from full for the PM's first statement.
Lots of mps off on holiday with their families. Parliament closes today until September
Indeed so. And yet for this historic occasion dozens of Conservative MP's still decided to pack their buckets and spades at pace rather than listen to Boris.
They decided not to REMAIN and BREXIT on their hols was the order of the day.
Hello from a very melty Whitehall. After a blissful 5 days in Scotland I travelled by sleeper to that London for tonight's Public Service Broadcasting prom. Am sat in Spoons reading in bemused rage that simultaneously the cocks running the Labour Party are both demanding a general election complete with rally and denouncing a motion to force a general election.
Tell you what. Lets all quit our respective parties and form the PM party.
The sleeper - did you get a Skoda or a Dyson?
If you don't know what I'm on about, count yourself lucky!
Whilst Corbyn is not the man to do it , it would be good to see some Labour MPs seeking to undermine Johnson by highlighting his low standards re- personal morality etc? 'Can the PM inform the House how many Bastards he has fathered to date? ' ' How much maintenance is he now paying to ex-partners etc'.
Already priced in
It would have to be a bit more subtle - 'As we know from the PM's long established history of fathering children out of wedlock etc' - 'How many broken homes does the PM currently bear direct responsibility for?' -'How many paternity tests does he expect to take in the next 6 months?
Politics of the gutter...just what I expect from the current labour party.
Have to hand it to Boris. This is barnstorming stuff. Whatever happens in the coming months, it is certainly going to be entertaining.
What I saw of JRM in business Qs was entertaing stuff too.
Both JRM and Boris have changed politics today and must have made labour mps accept that Corbyn is a liability to their party
As @NickPalmer once offhandedly once admitted, he is not that bothered about losing elections. When I recall his exact words, I will carve them on the gravestone of the Labour Party.
To be fair, Boris is giving Corbyn a damn good thrashing.
He is but Corbyn will do a lot better once Labour's team analyse Boris's weak points, and even better after they extract a 30-seconds video for social media. As noted earlier in this thread, almost no-one watches live telly.
Boris' weak points have been analysed to death for months now. What analysis have they been doing in this time? Or ar ethey too busy hiding Labour anti-semites' files?
At the risk of sounding like I’m turning into @HYUFD, Boris Johnson is absolutely killing this in the Commons.
Although Benn asked a perfectly reasonable question, of the type often posed on PB of a what if nature. Was accused of "defeatism" and no answer given. This is all very well, but there is a limited shelf-life to a can-do attitude when you can't-do.
Whilst Corbyn is not the man to do it , it would be good to see some Labour MPs seeking to undermine Johnson by highlighting his low standards re- personal morality etc? 'Can the PM inform the House how many Bastards he has fathered to date? ' ' How much maintenance is he now paying to ex-partners etc'.
Already priced in
It would have to be a bit more subtle - 'As we know from the PM's long established history of fathering children out of wedlock etc' - 'How many broken homes does the PM currently bear direct responsibility for?' -'How many paternity tests does he expect to take in the next 6 months?
Politics of the gutter...just what I expect from the current labour party.
The current Labour Party has so far not acted on these suggestions.
To be fair, Boris is giving Corbyn a damn good thrashing.
He is but Corbyn will do a lot better once Labour's team analyse Boris's weak points, and even better after they extract a 30-seconds video for social media. As noted earlier in this thread, almost no-one watches live telly.
Boris' weak points have been analysed to death for months now. What analysis have they been doing in this time? Or ar ethey too busy hiding Labour anti-semites' files?
Boris has not been answering PMQs for months. HTH.
ETA do not overlook the point I made earlier about extracting Corbyn's best 30 seconds for a social media video. Why do you think he used to ask Theresa May about buses?
Whilst Corbyn is not the man to do it , it would be good to see some Labour MPs seeking to undermine Johnson by highlighting his low standards re- personal morality etc? 'Can the PM inform the House how many Bastards he has fathered to date? ' ' How much maintenance is he now paying to ex-partners etc'.
Already priced in
It would have to be a bit more subtle - 'As we know from the PM's long established history of fathering children out of wedlock etc' - 'How many broken homes does the PM currently bear direct responsibility for?' -'How many paternity tests does he expect to take in the next 6 months?
Politics of the gutter...just what I expect from the current labour party.
The current Labour Party has so far not acted on these suggestions.
Funny how for years, awkward euroskeptic Tories were told to shut up for the good of the party by the likes of Soames and Soubry, but clearly that doesn't apply to them.
They didn't though, did they?
They didn't openly speak of bringing down Tory governments and enter coalition with opposition parties.
They did however speak of electoral alliances with BXP, which imply the replacement of a Tory Government with a coalition government
Whilst Corbyn is not the man to do it , it would be good to see some Labour MPs seeking to undermine Johnson by highlighting his low standards re- personal morality etc? 'Can the PM inform the House how many Bastards he has fathered to date? ' ' How much maintenance is he now paying to ex-partners etc'.
Already priced in
It would have to be a bit more subtle - 'As we know from the PM's long established history of fathering children out of wedlock etc' - 'How many broken homes does the PM currently bear direct responsibility for?' -'How many paternity tests does he expect to take in the next 6 months?
Politics of the gutter...just what I expect from the current labour party.
Boris Johnson has spent most of his life in the gutter - and runs away from the consequences.
Plus I forget who it was who insisted that the Queen cannot remove a PM if that PM insists on staying on without confidence. She can, she should, and I hope that she would. Google "the Dismissal" for a real-life example in Australia in the 70s.
The Queen isn't going to dismiss a government.
I gave you a real-life example when she (or at least her Governor General) did exactly that!
Whilst Corbyn is not the man to do it , it would be good to see some Labour MPs seeking to undermine Johnson by highlighting his low standards re- personal morality etc? 'Can the PM inform the House how many Bastards he has fathered to date? ' ' How much maintenance is he now paying to ex-partners etc'.
To be fair, Boris is giving Corbyn a damn good thrashing.
"Thought you were smart when you took them on But you didn't take a peep in their artillery room All that rugby puts hairs on your chest What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?"
Whilst Corbyn is not the man to do it , it would be good to see some Labour MPs seeking to undermine Johnson by highlighting his low standards re- personal morality etc? 'Can the PM inform the House how many Bastards he has fathered to date? ' ' How much maintenance is he now paying to ex-partners etc'.
What!!!! You are truly wierd.
Perhaps you find his behaviour acceptable. I had been under the impression that Tories believed in 'family values'etc.
Whilst Corbyn is not the man to do it , it would be good to see some Labour MPs seeking to undermine Johnson by highlighting his low standards re- personal morality etc? 'Can the PM inform the House how many Bastards he has fathered to date? ' ' How much maintenance is he now paying to ex-partners etc'.
Already priced in
It would have to be a bit more subtle - 'As we know from the PM's long established history of fathering children out of wedlock etc' - 'How many broken homes does the PM currently bear direct responsibility for?' -'How many paternity tests does he expect to take in the next 6 months?
Politics of the gutter...just what I expect from the current labour party.
Boris Johnson has spent most of his life in the gutter - and runs away from the consequences.
I see the United Kingdom is being entertained to death by its last Prime Minister in the Commons today. But I’m sure @Philip_Thompson and @HYUFD are loving the creative ambiguity about capital punishment and will loudly cheer as hangings are resumed after Legal Aid is finally abolished as it is a “deterrent”.
It's a lolly! Of course it's a lolly! It's on a stick! Honestly, there are some weird people in the world...
It's an ice cream! A 'lolly' is some frozen fruit concoction on a stick
Bad person! Bad!
A Magnum is not an ice lolly and lumping all the Magnums into one MegaMagnum is heresy. A Feast is not an ice lolly. A Solero has a layer of sorbet-ish coating, but is not an ice lolly. A Twister has an ice lolly centre, but is not an ice lolly. These things are all on sticks, so they are lollies, but they are not ice lollies. The poll is a lie.
I don't disagree with the sentiment; it is indeed a good thing.
Doesn't stop my despising the new Home Secretary, though. Other than his willingness to serve in a Johnson cabinet, I have no great animus against the Chancellor.
Whilst Corbyn is not the man to do it , it would be good to see some Labour MPs seeking to undermine Johnson by highlighting his low standards re- personal morality etc? 'Can the PM inform the House how many Bastards he has fathered to date? ' ' How much maintenance is he now paying to ex-partners etc'.
What!!!! You are truly wierd.
Perhaps you find his behaviour acceptable. I had been under the impression that Tories believed in 'family values'etc.
Governments should stay out of personal relationships. The law should be obeyed. If you were truly concerned about these matters you'd be addressing the mountains of examples in your own party.
To be fair, Boris is giving Corbyn a damn good thrashing.
"Thought you were smart when you took them on But you didn't take a peep in their artillery room All that rugby puts hairs on your chest What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?"
Absolutely. Where were Jeremy and Seamus educated? I forget...
“Will fail” is a strange and defeatist assumption given a notional government majority of perhaps 2.
Also if there are some wavering Tories out there the not-quite-a-proper-no-confidence motion is potentially a more accessible gateway drug for a proper no-confidence motion.
Anyone would have thought that Corbyn just wants to go and watch the cricket, too. Which seems unlikely.
Whilst Corbyn is not the man to do it , it would be good to see some Labour MPs seeking to undermine Johnson by highlighting his low standards re- personal morality etc? 'Can the PM inform the House how many Bastards he has fathered to date? ' ' How much maintenance is he now paying to ex-partners etc'.
Already priced in
It would have to be a bit more subtle - 'As we know from the PM's long established history of fathering children out of wedlock etc' - 'How many broken homes does the PM currently bear direct responsibility for?' -'How many paternity tests does he expect to take in the next 6 months?
Politics of the gutter...just what I expect from the current labour party.
Boris Johnson has spent most of his life in the gutter - and runs away from the consequences.
Which is no reason to join him there.
It is hardly descending to the gutter to respond to his own smart Alec remarks with a riposte on the lines of ' The next time the PM is obliged to submit to a paternity test ....'. It would be very funny!
IF Labour voters get behind the LibDems in Mogg's seat, there is every chance.
That would make no sense - Labour last polled 18,757 to the LDs 4,461.
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The EU elections have always been taken frivolously and it is well known that the LibDems flatter to deceive at Local Elections. Both have turnouts well under 40% . Moreover, this is a seat where Labour has consistently - even in 2010 - been the main challenger.
With respect you do know there has been an earthquake in politics ripping up past history
Sadly for labour they are caught in a pincer movement between the Conservatives and Lib Dems who are now the respected party for those who want to remain
Why is Labour ahead with Survation, Comres, and Opinium ? On the basis of those findings , a voter would have to be pretty psephologically illiterate to suggest that Labour voters should tactically support the LDs there - though such advice would delight JRM. We had many polls at the 2010 GE putiing the LDs in first place nationally with over 30% vote shares , and we know how that turned out a few days later - ie the LDs actually LOST seats! LD support is very soft - 'easy come - easy go'.
And easy come again (if that doesn't sound too arrogant). Yes it is soft so there are seats that Labour can't win, but when the LDs are in the doldrums Lab appear in 2nd place with the LDs far behind. Lab don't win them, but when LDs recover they can. Hence the tactical vote suggestion.
But not in seats such as Somerset NE!
Well obviously it is a big ask, but why not? Note I am not predicting it, but pointing out the logic of the argument. Labour can't get the tactical votes so can only win it if they are on course for a landslide anyway. LDs can get tactical votes from both Lab and Con so if they work it and are on a high can win it. And the current environment is favourable to the LDs and not Lab.
Do I think they will win it - No, but the tactical vote logic is in favour of LDs
No - Labour would have won that seat in 1997 and 2001.
I suspect most Labour wins in surprising places during the Blair landslides (especially hypothetical extrapolated ones) are not going to be replicated under Corbyn in a hung parliament.
The whole thing is as predicted on (and bet on) this very pb. Boris needs (and now has a degree of) cover for his past race-baiting articles. Hope you were on.
Whilst Corbyn is not the man to do it , it would be good to see some Labour MPs seeking to undermine Johnson by highlighting his low standards re- personal morality etc? 'Can the PM inform the House how many Bastards he has fathered to date? ' ' How much maintenance is he now paying to ex-partners etc'.
What!!!! You are truly wierd.
Perhaps you find his behaviour acceptable. I had been under the impression that Tories believed in 'family values'etc.
Governments should stay out of personal relationships. The law should be obeyed. If you were truly concerned about these matters you'd be addressing the mountains of examples in your own party.
I was very critical of David Blunkett when it appeared he might have fathered a child in an extramarital relationship. In the event, it turned out not to be true but I was appalled that someone who had previously aspired to becoming a Methodist Minister had behaved like that.
At the risk of sounding like I’m turning into @HYUFD, Boris Johnson is absolutely killing this in the Commons.
What in particular is impressing you?
- The way his voice carries? - His vocabulary? - His passion? - The quick wit? - His imposing physical build? - The haircut?
Or is it all of this and much much more?
Above all, it’s the passion and the optimism.
Now, it’s going to be difficult to keep up at this pace, and his term as PM will be measured by what he actually manages to get done, but it’s certainly a significant departure from the attitude of his predecessor.
He’s also been crystal clear on several occasions that we leave the EU on 31st October, and puts the ball back in their court as to whether they wish to amend the deal or for us to leave without one.
He is an utter arsehole. How can he have supported something so recently that he now wants to bin uncompromisingly?
He never supported it you muppet.
He was uncompromisingly against it then very relunctantly voted for it when he thought May might cancel Brexit if it didn't go through. May's gone now and so is her pathetic drivel of a deal. The backstop is dead - thankfully!
While all that - needs must means that in my Labour / Tory seat I have no choice but to vote Labour unless things really change.
Vote swap. Find a labour supporter somewhere who will vote Lib Dem on your behalf. North East Somerset sounds like a nice place.
A lot on the left would find the idea of voting Lib Dem reprehensible and vice versa. Tactical voting may not have the same effect as it once did given the huge gulf in policy between Labour and the Lib Dems.
I'm not fan of Jacob Rees-Mogg in general, but I think people are barking up the wrong tree in criticising his appointment as Leader of the House. I think he'll be rather good at it: always polite, punctilious about procedure, and a defender of parliament.
It might be one of the roles he is better suited for. And annoy Bercow
Yes but therein lies the issue. Look at the EU election results and the locals. The 2017 results are so far from recent polls that they are the worst place to start.
This was a Leave country ruled by Remainer politicians, proof of the chasm that now separates elite opinion from public opinion. The new Cabinet goes some way to rectifying that. Now let’s leave. Properly, fully, with no turning back. Out, out, out.
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'You voted for the WDA'
They decided not to REMAIN and BREXIT on their hols was the order of the day.
If you don't know what I'm on about, count yourself lucky!
How many of these do we think are UKIP/TBP entryists?
Was accused of "defeatism" and no answer given. This is all very well, but there is a limited shelf-life to a can-do attitude when you can't-do.
- The way his voice carries?
- His vocabulary?
- His passion?
- The quick wit?
- His imposing physical build?
- The haircut?
Or is it all of this and much much more?
ETA do not overlook the point I made earlier about extracting Corbyn's best 30 seconds for a social media video. Why do you think he used to ask Theresa May about buses?
But you didn't take a peep in their artillery room
All that rugby puts hairs on your chest
What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?"
I can see the Boris act palling with a bit more exposure to actual events. Won't help Corbyn, though.
https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1154316648926593024?s=20
https://london.eater.com/2019/7/25/20727137/heatwave-2019-ice-lolly-magnum-ice-cream-yougov-poll
Doesn't stop my despising the new Home Secretary, though.
Other than his willingness to serve in a Johnson cabinet, I have no great animus against the Chancellor.
Which seems unlikely.
Which is, I agree, distinctly forgettable so I give you a pass.
Now, it’s going to be difficult to keep up at this pace, and his term as PM will be measured by what he actually manages to get done, but it’s certainly a significant departure from the attitude of his predecessor.
He’s also been crystal clear on several occasions that we leave the EU on 31st October, and puts the ball back in their court as to whether they wish to amend the deal or for us to leave without one.
He was uncompromisingly against it then very relunctantly voted for it when he thought May might cancel Brexit if it didn't go through. May's gone now and so is her pathetic drivel of a deal. The backstop is dead - thankfully!