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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    edited June 2019

    > @Sunil_Prasannan said:

    > > @Sunil_Prasannan said:

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    > > Are they not showing it on ordinary TV? :(

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    > No BT sport

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    > Bugger...



    That's the free market for you.

    If it were Ajax vs PSG the audience in the UK would be derisory. BT’s gamble has paid off. iTV or BBC could have bid to win.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,358
    > @Foxy said:
    > Wtf are those little bubbles across the middle of the screen on BT Sport?
    >
    > Mine is fine

    So is mine
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:
    Greens riding the surge too, for the moment.
    Meh, just another outlier :lol:
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,222
    FF43 said:

    > @Cyclefree said:

    > Ok so everyone is watching the build up to the football but I am still claiming my first.

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    > I’m not.

    >

    > I am however looking forward to Montalbano tonight: sexy Italian detective, shots of Sicily, the Mediterranean, delicious food (Montalbano spends a lot of time in restaurants) and some vague plot that no-one really cares about. Mmmmm.........

    >

    > PS I strongly suspect that the Peterborough Brexit candidate is the brother of a trader I have had lots of dealings with over the years.

    >

    > I hope he doesn’t share his brother’s ethics.



    ___________________



    On a slightly related note I was continuing yesterday in my quest to make a definitive pasta 'ncasciata, a baked macaroni dish with aubergines and cheese that appears regularly and somewhat mystically on Montalbano. The recipes for this dish vary widely and my results so far have fallen short of the Dish of the Gods that these recipes imply. I picked up a Galician cheese in Lidl that I thought might substitute for caciocavallo and tried again. Improving but not quite there yet, I think.

    We used to have these baked dishes on Xmas Day - different varieties of pasta al forno. Scrumptious.

    I am though trying to avoid pasta at the moment as I am embarking on another (probably doomed) attempt to lose some weight. I have given up bread and salami. But pasta - that is hard for me. I adore the stuff. And calamari fritti and arancini di riso - another Sicilian speciality - are hardly low calorie alternatives.....

    A summer of tomato salads beckons.

    Last night my son made a delicious chicken soup with prunes and leeks. I was tempted to tweet Rory Stewart and invite him round so that he could get at least one nourishing meal inside him.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412
    TSE will be happy at least :lol:
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
    > > @brendan16 said:
    > > https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1134897907319132160
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    > > Will it get as much media coverage and general excitement as the one showing the Liberal Democrats ahead earlier this week?
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    > Electoral calculas. The Brexit party 18 short of a majority
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    > Cat among pigeons time

    Woah!! lol
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,889
    Andrew said:

    Expecting LDs to drop back towards 15ish. Will the Faragists do the same?

    I think most LDs would have been happy with 15% a couple of months ago. It's possible the YouGov poll is an outlier and/or this is an outlier.

    There's enormous volatility out there at present so all polls should be treated with even more than the usual bucket load of salt. Trying to figure out where this leaves Peterborough for instance is well beyond my purview and I wouldn't be getting involved from a punting angle.

    Labour are down 18 points from 2017 and the Conservatives are down 25. As a comparison the February 1974 numbers showed Labour down 6 and the Conservatives sown 8.5 and that was pretty seismic for the time.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:


    Cameron was both seriously bright and evidence that brightness isn’t everything. But it’s a good start. Corbyn is just too stupid to be PM. It’s as simple as that.

    I'm waiting for the memoirs, and maybe the history. Cameron was the worst prime minister since Lord North, despite being highly intelligent and having no apparent ideological fixations. I genuinely am at a loss to understand how it all went pear-shaped.
    It's not rocket science - he gave in to pressure to hold a referendum, an easy enough thing to do but misguided as we now see, and he, like most people, underestimated the strength of feeling in the country, with all that 'no one cares about the EU, it is not listed as a major concern' type talk that made Cameron, like most, overly confident.
    Forget referendums. Forget Brexit and Sindyref. There was also universal credit and the NHS reforms and other policies that Cameron's team had spent years preparing in Opposition and the point is not just they went disastrously wrong but that Cameron and the rest of the Cabinet seemed genuinely shocked by their own policies. There is the story that controversial legal aid changes were scrapped only after one of Cameron's constituents turned up at his surgery and explained why they could not work. It is inexplicable. Was Cameron our most incurious prime minister? Was it his cronyism that left him in a bubble? What was it?

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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,691
    Off topic: 'Meat free May' came to an end 2 days early thanks to Wor Lass coming home with a stack of meat pies from the butchers in Ilkley. Still, 29 days was a decent run.

    June is no fizzy drinks.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,360
    > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
    > > @brendan16 said:
    > > https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1134897907319132160
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    > > Will it get as much media coverage and general excitement as the one showing the Liberal Democrats ahead earlier this week?
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    > Electoral calculas. The Brexit party 18 short of a majority
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    > Cat among pigeons time

    Time to draft some "Only Labour can stop Farage!" leaflets. It may turn out to be true, as we may be about to see (regardless of who is 1st and 2nd) in Peterborough.
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    Brexit Party leads in Westminster intention.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/britainelects/status/1134897907319132160
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,952
    kinabalu said:

    Floater said:


    Brown was utterly dire.

    Overrated Chancellor, Underrated PM.

    Think we've done this one.
    We have. I agree with you. @Richard_Nabavi has a rather well-argued case disagreeing with me. And now we have had this conversation, we can go do something else... :)
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    > @matt said:
    > > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
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    > If it were Ajax vs PSG the audience in the UK would be derisory. BT’s gamble has paid off. iTV or BBC could have bid to win.

    BT are showing the match for free on YouTube.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,358
    > @NickPalmer said:
    > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
    > > > @brendan16 said:
    > > > https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1134897907319132160
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    > > > Will it get as much media coverage and general excitement as the one showing the Liberal Democrats ahead earlier this week?
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    > > Electoral calculas. The Brexit party 18 short of a majority
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    > > Cat among pigeons time
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    > Time to draft some "Only Labour can stop Farage!" leaflets. It may turn out to be true, as we may be about to see (regardless of who is 1st and 2nd) in Peterborough.

    I think the Lib Dems have a better claim
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    What's interesting in the recent poll is that the BXP and CON figures seem largely similar to the other shock recent poll from yougov, but as in all the euro polls the big difference is in LD vs Lab support. In the Euros it turned out that the ones favouring LDs were correct, but of course we've also seen elections where Lab outperformed polling (2010,2017).
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,798
    edited June 2019

    > @NickPalmer said:

    > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:

    > > > @brendan16 said:

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    > > Electoral calculas. The Brexit party 18 short of a majority

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    > > Cat among pigeons time

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    > Time to draft some "Only Labour can stop Farage!" leaflets. It may turn out to be true, as we may be about to see (regardless of who is 1st and 2nd) in Peterborough.



    I think the Lib Dems have a better claim
    A little bit of yellow/green tactical voting or alliance should do the trick nicely.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412

    Off topic: 'Meat free May' came to an end 2 days early thanks to Wor Lass coming home with a stack of meat pies from the butchers in Ilkley. Still, 29 days was a decent run.



    June is no fizzy drinks.

    Pah, I've just had a meat-free 27 and-a-half years :)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894
    > @Foxy said:
    > https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1134897907319132160

    Brexit Party/Con coalition viable! :D
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Foxy said:
    FWIW, lowest ever Con share in a Westminster poll.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412
    nunuone said:


    BT are showing the match for free on YouTube.

    tlg86 said:


    It's on Youtube:



    image

    Thanks, watching it now.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,128
    > @SandyRentool said:
    > Off topic: 'Meat free May' came to an end 2 days early thanks to Wor Lass coming home with a stack of meat pies from the butchers in Ilkley. Still, 29 days was a decent run.
    >
    > June is no fizzy drinks.

    Mine is:

    No smoking January
    No smoking February
    No smoking March
    No smoking April
    No smoking May
    No smoking June
    No smoking July
    No smoking August
    No smoking September
    No smoking October
    No smoking November
    No smoking December

    Does that count ?
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    > @nunuone said:
    > > @matt said:
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    > > If it were Ajax vs PSG the audience in the UK would be derisory. BT’s gamble has paid off. iTV or BBC could have bid to win.
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    > BT are showing the match for free on YouTube.

    Also free on Virgin channel 100
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,798

    > @SandyRentool said:

    > Off topic: 'Meat free May' came to an end 2 days early thanks to Wor Lass coming home with a stack of meat pies from the butchers in Ilkley. Still, 29 days was a decent run.

    >

    > June is no fizzy drinks.



    Mine is:



    No smoking January

    No smoking February

    No smoking March

    No smoking April

    No smoking May

    No smoking June

    No smoking July

    No smoking August

    No smoking September

    No smoking October

    No smoking November

    No smoking December



    Does that count ?

    I have stayed off heroin for over 50 years now.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Placing bets this week on the Tories OR Labour to win most seats next election will look in 12 months' time either brave and brilliant or hilarious with hindsight.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Off topic: 'Meat free May' came to an end 2 days early thanks to Wor Lass coming home with a stack of meat pies from the butchers in Ilkley. Still, 29 days was a decent run.



    June is no fizzy drinks.

    Pah, I've just had a meat-free 27 and-a-half years :)
    I have six meat-free days each week and live in fear of doctors discovering too much fish causes impotence.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,691
    > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
    > Off topic: 'Meat free May' came to an end 2 days early thanks to Wor Lass coming home with a stack of meat pies from the butchers in Ilkley. Still, 29 days was a decent run.
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    > June is no fizzy drinks.
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    > Pah, I've just had a meat-free 27 and-a-half years :)

    But do you like meat? If not, it is easy!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    edited June 2019
    Will Poch have the bottle to take off Kane at half time?
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Funny how often finals are anti-climactic.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,358
    > @another_richard said:
    > > @SandyRentool said:
    > > Off topic: 'Meat free May' came to an end 2 days early thanks to Wor Lass coming home with a stack of meat pies from the butchers in Ilkley. Still, 29 days was a decent run.
    > >
    > > June is no fizzy drinks.
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    > Mine is:
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    > No smoking January
    > No smoking February
    > No smoking March
    > No smoking April
    > No smoking May
    > No smoking June
    > No smoking July
    > No smoking August
    > No smoking September
    > No smoking October
    > No smoking November
    > No smoking December
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    > Does that count ?

    15 years for me and never one regret. Thousands of pounds saved plus big health benefits

    Stopping smoking is a no brainer
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    > @Toms said:
    > Abstractly, I wonder whether there is a correlation between football zealotry and "brexitism".

    Well, duh. One of the most prominent alt-right groups is the Football Lads Alliance.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,358
    > @tlg86 said:
    > Will Poch have the bottle to take off Kane at half time?

    He is poor and Poch has better alternatives

    But it is a dreadful game
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    GIN1138 said:

    > @Foxy said:

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    Brexit Party/Con coalition viable! :D

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    isamisam Posts: 40,988

    > @another_richard said:

    > > @SandyRentool said:

    > > Off topic: 'Meat free May' came to an end 2 days early thanks to Wor Lass coming home with a stack of meat pies from the butchers in Ilkley. Still, 29 days was a decent run.

    > >

    > > June is no fizzy drinks.

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    > Mine is:

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    > No smoking January

    > No smoking February

    > No smoking March

    > No smoking April

    > No smoking May

    > No smoking June

    > No smoking July

    > No smoking August

    > No smoking September

    > No smoking October

    > No smoking November

    > No smoking December

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    > Does that count ?



    15 years for me and never one regret. Thousands of pounds saved plus big health benefits



    Stopping smoking is a no brainer

    You’re right. I gave up 19 years ago last month, can’t believe I ever started. Complete madness. Amazing it used to be allowed in so many public places. Tube trains and planes!! 🙈
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,358
    edited June 2019
    > @isam said:
    > > @Foxy said:
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    > Brexit Party/Con coalition viable! :D

    One thing is obvious from all this that the conservatives, labour and chuk will be terrified of an election
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,894
    VAR? We need armpit cam imo. That would require players to wear vests instead of shirts of course.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    > @Dadge said:
    > > @Toms said:
    > > Abstractly, I wonder whether there is a correlation between football zealotry and "brexitism".
    >
    > Well, duh. One of the most prominent alt-right groups is the Football Lads Alliance.

    Tribalism I guess. It may be the civilization's downfall.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991

    > @isam said:

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    > Brexit Party/Con coalition viable! :D



    One thing is obvious from all this but that is conservatives, labour and chuk will be terrified of an election
    And yet run full pelt toward one!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991

    Funny how often finals are anti-climactic.

    I would be happy with that, on this occasion, so long as it ends like this.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    People are upping their social media game
    https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1134806467981303808
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,358
    > @kle4 said:
    > > @isam said:
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    > One thing is obvious from all this but that is conservatives, labour and chuk will be terrified of an election
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    > And yet run full pelt toward one!

    Seems like it
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,360
    > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
    > > Time to draft some "Only Labour can stop Farage!" leaflets. It may turn out to be true, as we may be about to see (regardless of who is 1st and 2nd) in Peterborough.
    >
    > I think the Lib Dems have a better claim

    There will be a huge amount of tactical voting debate if this pattern were maintained. There will be seats where it's obvious who is the main Farage-stopper (on this poll, mostly Labour), but also loads of seats where anti-Faragists wrestle with rival dodgy barcharts and their consciences. Green voters will be especially tempted to vote for the Green surge, or to vote Labour because they're ideologically closer, or vote LibDem because they're the two leftish alternatives.
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    I'm watching the footie on YouTube straight off the main SkyQ menu in HD
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,358
    > @NickPalmer said:
    > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
    > > > Time to draft some "Only Labour can stop Farage!" leaflets. It may turn out to be true, as we may be about to see (regardless of who is 1st and 2nd) in Peterborough.
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    > > I think the Lib Dems have a better claim
    >
    > There will be a huge amount of tactical voting debate if this pattern were maintained. There will be seats where it's obvious who is the main Farage-stopper (on this poll, mostly Labour), but also loads of seats where anti-Faragists wrestle with rival dodgy barcharts and their consciences. Green voters will be especially tempted to vote for the Green surge, or to vote Labour because they're ideologically closer, or vote LibDem because they're the two leftish alternatives.

    I think we can agree Nick it is a mess
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    kle4 said:

    Funny how often finals are anti-climactic.

    I would be happy with that, on this occasion, so long as it ends like this.
    Yes, a boring and goal-less second half would be just fine.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    edited June 2019
    Scott_P said:
    More interesting than the Opinium?

    Oh sorry I didn’t see ‘leadership’

    Hmmm twitter hates Boris I guess?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    edited June 2019
    Did Opinium prompt for The Brexit Party? :D
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    WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,503
    edited June 2019
    Maybe this is a reference to Boris being way ahead in a public leadership opinion poll.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    More likely just Rory the not so Tory on -5%
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,846
    Will we have to declare our pb usernames when entering the US?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48486672

    And they want us to be worried about huawei?
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,997
    edited June 2019
    isam said:

    Scott_P said:
    More interesting than the Opinium?

    Oh sorry I didn’t see ‘leadership’

    Hmmm twitter hates Boris I guess?
    Putting the latest Opinium into the EMA gives:

    Con 23.2%, Lab 27.5%, LD 16.7%, Brex 20.5%, Green 5.7%

    Con 220
    Lab 301
    LD 30
    Brex 23
    Green 1
    SNP 53

    Lab minority 25 seats short of majority

    Brex beginning to make an impact in terms of seats. Green not so.
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    > @williamglenn said:
    > https://twitter.com/johnrentoul/status/1134903822768377856?s=21

    Interesting, especially as those look closer to the yougov national figures.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,416
    > @noneoftheabove said:
    > Will we have to declare our pb usernames when entering the US?
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    > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48486672
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    > And they want us to be worried about huawei?

    I applied for an ESTA last week and noticed that it did ask for my social media details, although it said it was optional.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    I don't think current polls are very good at predicting the future. An interesting snap shot yes but a reliable indicator for future levels of support No. I suspect if Boris becomes PM he will be given a very good honeymoon in the Brexit supporting media. What he does with that honeymoon is open to question but he is probably the only candidate that can get max Brexit media support. It won't last long but a change in leadership does tend to shake the dice.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    Foxy said:
    Cripes!

    It won't stop us trying - but polling numbers like that are going to be impossible to translate into seats. If the Greens, Labour and Lib Dems split the progressive vote it could be a Brexit landslide with the Tories in opposition. If there is a lot of tactical voting it could wipe the Tories out and we could have a Labour minority government with the Lib Dems in opposition and Brexit holding the balance.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    > @brokenwheel said:
    > More likely just Rory the not so Tory on -5%

    That seems very likely, and maybe someone surprising in 2nd.

    If Boris wasn't miles ahead, that would be very interesting.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited June 2019
    There’s no guarantee the house effect in a low turnout election largely driven by a single issue will be replicated in a higher turnout GE.

    That’s especially true if the error was largely because you didn’t accurately identify who was likely to vote in the EP elections. E.g. the people who didn’t vote in the EP election (but will in a GE) are more likely to vote Labour and less likely to vote LD.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,358
    > @Barnesian said:
    > https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1134913467746476032
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    > More interesting than the Opinium?
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    > Oh sorry I didn’t see ‘leadership’
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    > Hmmm twitter hates Boris I guess?
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    > Putting the latest Opinium into the EMA gives:
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    > Con 23.2%, Lab 27.5%, LD 16.7%, Brex 20.5%, Green 5.7%
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    > Con 220
    > Lab 301
    > LD 30
    > Brex 23
    > Green 1
    > SNP 53
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    > Lab minority 25 seats short of majority
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    > Brex beginning to make an impact in terms of seats. Green not so.

    Electoral calculas gives Brexit just 18 short of a majority !!!
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988

    I don't think current polls are very good at predicting the future. An interesting snap shot yes but a reliable indicator for future levels of support No. I suspect if Boris becomes PM he will be given a very good honeymoon in the Brexit supporting media. What he does with that honeymoon is open to question but he is probably the only candidate that can get max Brexit media support. It won't last long but a change in leadership does tend to shake the dice.

    Have to agree, they’re always wrong long term
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,997
    edited June 2019
    > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
    > > @Barnesian said:
    > > https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1134913467746476032
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    > > More interesting than the Opinium?
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    > > Oh sorry I didn’t see ‘leadership’
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    > > Hmmm twitter hates Boris I guess?
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    > > Putting the latest Opinium into the EMA gives:
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    > > Con 23.2%, Lab 27.5%, LD 16.7%, Brex 20.5%, Green 5.7%
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    > > Con 220
    > > Lab 301
    > > LD 30
    > > Brex 23
    > > Green 1
    > > SNP 53
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    > > Lab minority 25 seats short of majority
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    > > Brex beginning to make an impact in terms of seats. Green not so.
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    > Electoral calculas gives Brexit just 18 short of a majority !!!
    ********************************************************************************************************

    You are using the latest Opinium poll. Lots of noise. Look at the previous poll!

    I use a smoothing technique called exponential moving average (SMA) which gives the latest poll 10% weight and then degrades it as other polls come in.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,358
    > @Barnesian said:
    > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
    > > > @Barnesian said:
    > > > https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1134913467746476032
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > More interesting than the Opinium?
    > > >
    > > > Oh sorry I didn’t see ‘leadership’
    > > >
    > > > Hmmm twitter hates Boris I guess?
    > > >
    > > > Putting the latest Opinium into the EMA gives:
    > > >
    > > > Con 23.2%, Lab 27.5%, LD 16.7%, Brex 20.5%, Green 5.7%
    > > >
    > > > Con 220
    > > > Lab 301
    > > > LD 30
    > > > Brex 23
    > > > Green 1
    > > > SNP 53
    > > >
    > > > Lab minority 25 seats short of majority
    > > >
    > > > Brex beginning to make an impact in terms of seats. Green not so.
    > >
    > > Electoral calculas gives Brexit just 18 short of a majority !!!
    >
    > You are using the latest

    Er Yes
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    > @Foxy said:
    > https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1134897907319132160

    Based on tonight's dramatic new Opinium poll, Electoral Calculus gives the Brexit Party 306 seats, Labour 205, SNP 56, LDs 33, Tories 26.

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=17&LAB=22&LIB=16&UKIP=1&Green=11&ChUK=1&Brexit=26&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVUKIP=&TVGreen=&TVChUK=&TVBrexit=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTChUK=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base


    So Farage would become PM with a majority of 6 if he does a deal with the Tories but would be 20 seats short without, though the Brexit Party could only be kept out of power by a Labour, SNP, LD and Tory coalition which would be interesting to say the least!
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,798
    > @isam said:
    > I don't think current polls are very good at predicting the future. An interesting snap shot yes but a reliable indicator for future levels of support No. I suspect if Boris becomes PM he will be given a very good honeymoon in the Brexit supporting media. What he does with that honeymoon is open to question but he is probably the only candidate that can get max Brexit media support. It won't last long but a change in leadership does tend to shake the dice.
    >
    > Have to agree, they’re always wrong long term

    Especially so in such volatile times, and with no sign of a GE for months at the very least.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    'In the Tory leadership race, Boris Johnson has the most support (24%) among Conservative voters to be the party’s next leader. The other standout choice is Michael Gove, with 14%.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/01/brexit-party-nigel-farage-lead-opinion-poll-conservatives-opinium
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    > @Barnesian said:

    >



    >

    >

    >

    > More interesting than the Opinium?

    >

    > Oh sorry I didn’t see ‘leadership’

    >

    > Hmmm twitter hates Boris I guess?

    >

    > Putting the latest Opinium into the EMA gives:

    >

    > Con 23.2%, Lab 27.5%, LD 16.7%, Brex 20.5%, Green 5.7%

    >

    > Con 220

    > Lab 301

    > LD 30

    > Brex 23

    > Green 1

    > SNP 53

    >

    > Lab minority 25 seats short of majority

    >

    > Brex beginning to make an impact in terms of seats. Green not so.



    Electoral calculas gives Brexit just 18 short of a majority !!!
    I think it’s fair to say that seat models are now completely broken, if the next election is fought between the Brexit Party and the Lib Dems.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894
    Doesn't look like anyone's attempted to do an opinion poll for Peterborough does it?
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    GIN1138 said:

    Doesn't look like anyone's attempted to do an opinion poll for Peterborough does it?

    Constituency polls seem to have gone out of fashion.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    Foxy said:

    > @isam said:

    > I don't think current polls are very good at predicting the future. An interesting snap shot yes but a reliable indicator for future levels of support No. I suspect if Boris becomes PM he will be given a very good honeymoon in the Brexit supporting media. What he does with that honeymoon is open to question but he is probably the only candidate that can get max Brexit media support. It won't last long but a change in leadership does tend to shake the dice.

    >

    > Have to agree, they’re always wrong long term



    Especially so in such volatile times, and with no sign of a GE for months at the very least.

    A year or so before the last 4 big UK elections, the polls were reverse indicators

    I’d love PM Farage though, so hope they’re right this time
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819

    GIN1138 said:

    Doesn't look like anyone's attempted to do an opinion poll for Peterborough does it?

    Constituency polls seem to have gone out of fashion.
    Didn't Ashcroft do a bunch of constituency polls in 2015 that turned out to be way off (like all polls that election)? Guess they are deemed too expensive and haven't proved their worth.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,360
    edited June 2019
    Meanwhile, in Germany, the Greens sprint into the lead! Social Democrats collapse, and AfD also losing votes to the Greens - presumably classic protest voters, unless there's some complex shifting going on.

    http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/forsa.htm
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Am I the only person who thinks all this makes a 2019 election super-unlikely, not more likely? What would make Lab/Con vote for an early election right now?
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    > @HYUFD said:
    > 'In the Tory leadership race, Boris Johnson has the most support (24%) among Conservative voters to be the party’s next leader. The other standout choice is Michael Gove, with 14%.'
    >
    > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/01/brexit-party-nigel-farage-lead-opinion-poll-conservatives-opinium

    Conservative voters don't get a vote in the leadership election so this is just mildly interesting noise, though I expect Team Boris will point to it in the Commons tea rooms.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    > @MarkHopkins said:
    > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election.svg
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    > Wowzerz
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    > March 29, 2019

    I actually reckon the trend began at the start of March, when Change UK formed. They haven't benefited, but they might have cracked the party loyalties beyond the point of no return.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Quincel said:

    Am I the only person who thinks all this makes a 2019 election super-unlikely, not more likely? What would make Lab/Con vote for an early election right now?

    The inability of the current Parliament to agree anything on Brexit, followed by a vote of confidence against the government?
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,360
    ...and in Denmark, for Sunday's general election, the Danes swing sharply leftwards:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2019_Danish_general_election
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    > @Sandpit said:
    > Am I the only person who thinks all this makes a 2019 election super-unlikely, not more likely? What would make Lab/Con vote for an early election right now?
    >
    > The inability of the current Parliament to agree anything on Brexit, followed by a vote of confidence against the government?

    How many Tory MPs would defect when 100+ of them might lose their seats in a GE? Maybe the ERG would be willing to kamikaze to get a No Deal Brexit through, but I'm not sold.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    edited June 2019
    > @NickPalmer said:
    > Meanwhile, in Germany, the Greens sprint into the lead! Social Democrats collapse, and AfD also losing votes to the Greens - presumably classic protest voters, unless there's some complex shifting going on.
    >
    > http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/forsa.htm
    There is a divide in Europe at the moment, rightwing populism is surging in the UK and Italy but declining in the Netherlands and Scandinavia, leftwing populism is rising fast in Germany but declining in Greece, while the liberal centre still tends to lead in France and the centre left in Spain and the centre right in Austria
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Quincel said:

    > @Sandpit said:

    > Am I the only person who thinks all this makes a 2019 election super-unlikely, not more likely? What would make Lab/Con vote for an early election right now?

    >

    > The inability of the current Parliament to agree anything on Brexit, followed by a vote of confidence against the government?



    How many Tory MPs would defect when 100+ of them might lose their seats in a GE? Maybe the ERG would be willing to kamikaze to get a No Deal Brexit through, but I'm not sold.

    It only needs a couple of old retirees to force the issue.
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    > @Quincel said:
    > Am I the only person who thinks all this makes a 2019 election super-unlikely, not more likely? What would make Lab/Con vote for an early election right now?

    Far from it. We now have to be moving to a second referendum with two separate questions: first, Remain or Leave (as in 2016), followed by (if Leave wins) May’s Deal vs No Deal. There’s simply no other viable way out. And it might just save the Tory party.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    > @MarkHopkins said:
    > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election.svg
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    > Wowzerz
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    > March 29, 2019

    a date which will live in infamy... :D
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    2-0
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    > @Quincel said:
    > Am I the only person who thinks all this makes a 2019 election super-unlikely, not more likely? What would make Lab/Con vote for an early election right now?

    Given on this poll most of the Cabinet, Ed Miliband, Yvette Cooper and Dennis Skinner would lose their seats to the Brexit Party it is fair to say neither of the 2 main parties will be rushing to a general election anytime soon
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    LIVERPOOL!!!
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Looking over old bets I put money on Labour to win Chuka's seat when TIG was first founded. Felt so smart a few weeks ago, now I might lose because the LDs take it!
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    oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    @Sandpit said:

    > I think it’s fair to say that seat models are now completely broken,
    > if the next election is fought between the Brexit Party and the Lib Dems.

    The YouGov model should still work. Would be interesting to see it used on current polling.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    HYUFD said:

    > @Quincel said:

    > Am I the only person who thinks all this makes a 2019 election super-unlikely, not more likely? What would make Lab/Con vote for an early election right now?



    Given on this poll most of the Cabinet, Ed Miliband, Yvette Cooper and Dennis Skinner would lose their seats to the Brexit Party it is fair to say neither of the 2 main parties will be rushing to a general election anytime soon

    Not intentionally. But unless your mythic Lab MPs emerge the logic of no deal forces a potential GE due to the possibility of a VONC.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,371
    Really disappointing game. Spurs played the better football but could play till midnight without scoring. Kane a total waste of space. Liverpool playing the worst I have seen this season but much more clinical in front of goal.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    By late July Brexit Party could well be below 20% again.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    JohnO said:

    > @Quincel said:

    > Am I the only person who thinks all this makes a 2019 election super-unlikely, not more likely? What would make Lab/Con vote for an early election right now?



    Far from it. We now have to be moving to a second referendum with two separate questions: first, Remain or Leave (as in 2016), followed by (if Leave wins) May’s Deal vs No Deal. There’s simply no other viable way out. And it might just save the Tory party.

    Leave or remain has already been answered.

    To ask the same question again is like asking Liverpool to play Spurs again before the trophy gets handed out.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,358
    > @DavidL said:
    > Really disappointing game. Spurs played the better football but could play till midnight without scoring. Kane a total waste of space. Liverpool playing the worst I have seen this season but much more clinical in front of goal.

    Good summary of a very poor game.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,952
    isam said:

    I don't think current polls are very good at predicting the future. An interesting snap shot yes but a reliable indicator for future levels of support No.

    I agree. If we limit ourselves to "predicting who gets a plurality", then polls are good in stable situations for scheduled elections from about a year out, then very good from about three months out. For snap elections I don't know, but even an assfuck like GE2017 they identified the plurality party

    The EP 2019 elections are ambiguous. Those average errors aren't bad, but choosing many parties can flatter the average error and I think they did here. The Lab absolute errors were 1,9,5,4,10,11,1,3,8,11. Those are not good errors. Con is 0,5,6,3,4,3,2,3,3,4.



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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    > @justin124 said:
    > By late July Brexit Party could well be below 20% again.

    It could also be above 20% still.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    > @Sandpit said:
    > > @Quincel said:
    >
    > > Am I the only person who thinks all this makes a 2019 election super-unlikely, not more likely? What would make Lab/Con vote for an early election right now?
    >
    >
    >
    > Far from it. We now have to be moving to a second referendum with two separate questions: first, Remain or Leave (as in 2016), followed by (if Leave wins) May’s Deal vs No Deal. There’s simply no other viable way out. And it might just save the Tory party.
    >
    > Leave or remain has already been answered.
    >
    > To ask the same question again is like asking Liverpool to play Spurs again before the trophy gets handed out.

    But.. but.. the russians!!
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