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Raab, Boris and Javid though are all presenting themselves as the true Brexit candidates having all now promised to leave with or without a Deal in October
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1134760464272035840?s=20
Edit. Actually, see still fifth.
> Ok so everyone is watching the build up to the football but I am still claiming my first.
Ah, that would be why we could find a late restaurant reservation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzKcNevWbO4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRMJT187wxs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4klQg_z47Lc
> Gove refuses to commit himself to taking the UK out of the EU in October as he pitches for Remainer and anti No Deal votes alongside Hunt who has also refused to make such a commitment.
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> Raab, Boris and Javid though are all presenting themselves as the true Brexit candidates having all now promised to leave with or without a Deal in October
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> https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1134760464272035840?s=20
Still parroting the "or risk Jeremy Corbyn" line. One that is receding into the distance at this rate.
How about doing what is in the best interests of the country?
And what's most depressing is that it will probably do her next-to-no harm.
40% of the population were prepared to vote for Corbyn-led Labour in the last GE, after all.
FWIW I think it most likely that the Brexit Party will get across the finishing line in the Peterborough by-election, but I wouldn't expect the Labour vote to just collapse like a failed soufflé. The Tory vote probably will, but Labour should at least finish second.
> > @DavidL said:
> > Ok so everyone is watching the build up to the football but I am still claiming my first.
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> Ah, that would be why we could find a late restaurant reservation.
Yep, that would be it.
> I've just noticed from HYUFD's posts of tweets that Peterborough candidate Mike Greene tweets as @MikeGreeneTBP where the TBP part looks a bit like MP or some other gravitas-adding qualification. Nigel Farage's advisors really are good. It is not just the arrow.
Competent people involved in British politics ???
Are they foreigners ?
Of all the stupid things a candidate could commit to, this is the most stupid. Talk about handing a huge great stick to Nigel Farage, and setting yourself up to be the shortest-lived PM in modern history. No sensible Conservative should support a candidate who is so daft.
> They are stark raving bonkers to promise that. The timescale just cannot be guaranteed. What if negotiations are going well but there are delays at the EU end or the UK legislation can't be completed in time? Are they seriously going to say 'Oh well, we'll crash out anyway then'? And even if they are mad enough to go for No Deal, that will STILL require a bunch of legislation. And what if parliament takes it out of their hands anyway?
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> Of all the stupid things a candidate could commit to, this is the most stupid. Talk about handing a huge great stick to Nigel Farage, and setting yourself up to be the shortest-lived PM in modern history. No sensible Conservative should support a candidate who is so daft.
How many sensible Conservatives do we think there are? I'm guessing we could look at a few of the past Brexit votes and work out a pretty good estimate.
> > @DecrepitJohnL said:
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> > I've just noticed from HYUFD's posts of tweets that Peterborough candidate Mike Greene tweets as @MikeGreeneTBP where the TBP part looks a bit like MP or some other gravitas-adding qualification. Nigel Farage's advisors really are good. It is not just the arrow.
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> Competent people involved in British politics ???
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> Are they foreigners ?
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> Probably American. Nigel Farage has been open about learning from the Trump campaign.
If we're still in the EU come the next General Election, the Conservative Party is finished as a major force. It won't survive the proportion of its voter base that will desert.
> Gove refuses to commit himself to taking the UK out of the EU in October as he pitches for Remainer and anti No Deal votes alongside Hunt who has also refused to make such a commitment.
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> Raab, Boris and Javid though are all presenting themselves as the true Brexit candidates having all now promised to leave with or without a Deal in October
>
> They are stark raving bonkers to promise that. The timescale just cannot be guaranteed. What if negotiations are going well but there are delays at the EU end or the UK legislation can't be completed in time? Are they seriously going to say 'Oh well, we'll crash out anyway then'? And even if they are mad enough to go for No Deal, that will STILL require a bunch of legislation. And what if parliament takes it out of their hands anyway?
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> Of all the stupid things a candidate could commit to, this is the most stupid. Talk about handing a huge great stick to Nigel Farage, and setting yourself up to be the shortest-lived PM in modern history. No sensible Conservative should support a candidate who is so daft.
I was already hoping Gove would be the winner and this just reinforces it for me. The important thing for Leaver's should be that we do actually Leave the EU eventually. I do understand those who fear we will just drag on in limbo for ever but a few extra months or even a year from the original planned date is nothing if it ensures we do Leave. Trying to force it into a limited timescale just makes it all the more likely Parliament will make sure it doesn't happen.
> Gove refuses to commit himself to taking the UK out of the EU in October as he pitches for Remainer and anti No Deal votes alongside Hunt who has also refused to make such a commitment.
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> Yes, it is interesting that rather than duke it out with Raab and Boris as chief Brexiteer, Michael Gove seems to be taking on Jeremy Hunt as champion of the pragmatic soft Brexit.
I think the difference is that Gove is committed to us leaving whilst Hunt is not. I think it is not only good political positioning by Gove but also good for Leave and the country in the long term.
> Gove refuses to commit himself to taking the UK out of the EU in October as he pitches for Remainer and anti No Deal votes alongside Hunt who has also refused to make such a commitment.
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> Raab, Boris and Javid though are all presenting themselves as the true Brexit candidates having all now promised to leave with or without a Deal in October
>
> They are stark raving bonkers to promise that. The timescale just cannot be guaranteed. What if negotiations are going well but there are delays at the EU end or the UK legislation can't be completed in time? Are they seriously going to say 'Oh well, we'll crash out anyway then'? And even if they are mad enough to go for No Deal, that will STILL require a bunch of legislation. And what if parliament takes it out of their hands anyway?
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> Of all the stupid things a candidate could commit to, this is the most stupid. Talk about handing a huge great stick to Nigel Farage, and setting yourself up to be the shortest-lived PM in modern history. No sensible Conservative should support a candidate who is so daft.
I presume if Parliament has not approved a Deal by October they will call a general election on a platform of No Deal rather than request a further extension (assuming Macron and Germany do not veto such a further extension anyway which is not impossible) given the current Commons will always try and block No Deal. If the EU has agreed to renegotiate the backstop, which is very unlikely anyway given EU statements, then yes there may be an issue of a short extension required to tidy up that process which could create problems.
However if Gove or Hunt extend again in October rather than allow No Deal it is hard to see how Farage and the Brexit Party would not surge even further, the Tories certainly cannot go into the next general election having failed to deliver Brexit and have any chance of staying in power, especially if they always put further extension of Article 50 ahead of being willing to consider leaving the EU with No Deal
> Gove refuses to commit himself to taking the UK out of the EU in October as he pitches for Remainer and anti No Deal votes alongside Hunt who has also refused to make such a commitment.
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> Yes, it is interesting that rather than duke it out with Raab and Boris as chief Brexiteer, Michael Gove seems to be taking on Jeremy Hunt as champion of the pragmatic soft Brexit.
Javid too is now in the former camp
I am *not* a footie fan, but I hope those that are have fun tonight, and there's a good, enjoyable game to watch. I'll be doing something else.
Anything else ...
I think those two reasons are good enough.
LAFC, by the way, are the real Los Angeles team. Watch this all the way through:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds0L-t24Xxs
I am however looking forward to Montalbano tonight: sexy Italian detective, shots of Sicily, the Mediterranean, delicious food (Montalbano spends a lot of time in restaurants) and some vague plot that no-one really cares about. Mmmmm.........
PS I strongly suspect that the Peterborough Brexit candidate is the brother of a trader I have had lots of dealings with over the years.
I hope he doesn’t share his brother’s ethics.
https://twitter.com/chrismorrisbits/status/1132623128155365377?s=21
Good to see the no confidence motion in Philip Lee passing - represent your party or expect to get hooked.
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The problem with No Confidencing people (i.e. deselecting) is that they no longer have any incentive to stay with your party. If Mr Lee were to become a ChUKer or a LibDem, it makes the risk of a new Election much greater. (Which you might welcome, but imagine the only change is that the Conservatives lose 50 to BXP and 50 to the LDs, while Labour lose 50 to the LDs. What then?)
Gove is marmite and just a bit odd but he is the class of this field by a distance. I want a PM who is demonstrably smarter than me (not a particularly high bar but one that I honestly think many of these deluded candidates struggle with) and who has the intellectual flexibility that May lacked to find a way forward. As I could never bring myself to actually sign up none of this matters as I don't have a vote but if I did Gove would get it. Then Rory (at least until he is eliminated). Then Hunt. Then probably Javid. Then maybe Boris. The rest, sigh.
> Good to see the no confidence motion in Philip Lee passing - represent your party or expect to get hooked.
If he resigns the Tory Whip together with - say - Grieve and Greening, the Tories will be down to 310 MPs before the loss of any by election held in Brecon & Radnor. On those numbers they become very vulnerable to a VNOC even with continued DUP support.
Liverpool for me. Klopp has built the best team to watch in the PL, and deserves the trophy.
> Ok so everyone is watching the build up to the football but I am still claiming my first.
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> I’m not.
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> I am however looking forward to Montalbano tonight: sexy Italian detective, shots of Sicily, the Mediterranean, delicious food (Montalbano spends a lot of time in restaurants) and some vague plot that no-one really cares about. Mmmmm.........
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> PS I strongly suspect that the Peterborough Brexit candidate is the brother of a trader I have had lots of dealings with over the years.
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> I hope he doesn’t share his brother’s ethics.
Sounds like an Italian Morse. I'll look out for it. Is it dubbed or subtitles?
> Why is everyone obsessed with the football? We know a British team will win. What difference does the result make?
I don't even know who's playing.
Watching Chernobyl tonight instead.
> Why is everyone obsessed with the football? We know a British team will win. What difference does the result make?
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> Do you back the German or the Argentinian?
I’d choose the German but don’t ask me what team that would be.
Just as with the cricket, I guess the evening thread will be filled with posts from people watching the match with updates that those watching already know and those not watching don’t want to know.
First they come for softhead talk show hosts ...
> A few years ago we were told that Gove could be ruled out re - becoming PM on account of his fear of flying.What happened to that?
Perhaps he plans to SKYPE ?
> A few years ago we were told that Gove could be ruled out re - becoming PM on account of his fear of flying.What happened to that?
He must have dealt with that. Next up, his '30 fags a day' teeth. They look horrible and will need fixing if he makes it. Which despite being Labour through and through I hope he does. I think he could be our best PM since Brown.
> > @DecrepitJohnL said:
> > > @DecrepitJohnL said:
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> > > I've just noticed from HYUFD's posts of tweets that Peterborough candidate Mike Greene tweets as @MikeGreeneTBP where the TBP part looks a bit like MP or some other gravitas-adding qualification. Nigel Farage's advisors really are good. It is not just the arrow.
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> > Competent people involved in British politics ???
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> > Are they foreigners ?
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> > Probably American. Nigel Farage has been open about learning from the Trump campaign.
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> If we're still in the EU come the next General Election, the Conservative Party is finished as a major force. It won't survive the proportion of its voter base that will desert.
Agreed.
If we don’t leave in October I expect an exodus of members, too.
> Ok so everyone is watching the build up to the football but I am still claiming my first.
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> I’m not.
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> I am however looking forward to Montalbano tonight: sexy Italian detective, shots of Sicily, the Mediterranean, delicious food (Montalbano spends a lot of time in restaurants) and some vague plot that no-one really cares about. Mmmmm.........
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> PS I strongly suspect that the Peterborough Brexit candidate is the brother of a trader I have had lots of dealings with over the years.
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> I hope he doesn’t share his brother’s ethics.
You share my wifes love of Montalbano and the close affinity our family has with Italy and all the wonderful holidays we have had there over decades
Trivia - but we have travelled to Italy from the UK by car, train, air and sea at different times over the years
I don't think the surgeons understood that as a member of the commentariat, Julia Hartley Brewer is absolutely entitled to speak to any conference on any subject whatsoever, with or without their consent or even invitation. Shame on them, the libtard cuckflakes....
So I'm stuffed tonight. Might watch a couple of old Question Times.
Their loss.
Julia will go marching on. Nature of the ... woman.
"The problem with No Confidencing people (i.e. deselecting) is that they no longer have any incentive to stay with your party. If Mr Lee were to become a ChUKer or a LibDem, it makes the risk of a new Election much greater. (Which you might welcome, but imagine the only change is that the Conservatives lose 50 to BXP and 50 to the LDs, while Labour lose 50 to the LDs. What then?)"
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How could you Sir !!!!!!!!!!
Think of the betting opportunities, the wonderful threads, the bar charts and your father taking the bookies for the odd 50/1 tip ..... and TSE ruminating endlessly on the introduction of AV ....
Ah .... I see what you mean !! .....
I'm going for Flower of Scotland ..
> > @IanB2 said:
> > Why is everyone obsessed with the football? We know a British team will win. What difference does the result make?
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> I don't even know who's playing.
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> Watching Chernobyl tonight instead.
I can't wait for the second series, the first ended on a massive cliffhanger.
Spurs:
5 England
5 EU
1 non EU
Liverpool:
2 England
1 Scotland
2 EU
6 Non EU
A few years ago we were told that Gove could be ruled out re - becoming PM on account of his fear of flying.What happened to that?
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Fortunately, in Fortress Britain, there will be no need for the Prime Minister to ever leave his (or her) bunker.
If we don’t leave in October I expect an exodus of members, too.
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Surely that depends on the circumstance. If we haven't left in October because we're f*cking around, and the prospect of Brexit is receding, that's one thing.
But there are other scenarios. If the WA had been successfully "torn up" (not that I think that's a particularly good idea), then I doubt a new one would be in place by October.
> https://twitter.com/titaniamcgrath/status/1134884364108685312
I think if you're taking about who's dominated the contest, Javid isn't relevant
> The starting line up.
> Spurs:
> 5 England
> 5 EU
> 1 non EU
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> Liverpool:
> 2 England
> 1 Scotland
> 2 EU
> 6 Non EU
So what you're saying is that if you're in favour of Global Britain, you should support Liverpool, while if you're stuck in the old EU-centric mindset, then Spurs should be your team.
Got it.
> I want a PM who is demonstrably smarter than me (not a particularly high bar but one that I honestly think many of these deluded candidates struggle with) and who has the intellectual flexibility that May lacked to find a way forward.
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> I totally agree with that. Maybe it's nostalgia but I'm sure that in the past a lot more politicians appeared to be significantly smarter than the average person. Nowadays I invariably find myself thinking "how the hell did someone so stupid get elected?"
Cameron was both seriously bright and evidence that brightness isn’t everything. But it’s a good start. Corbyn is just too stupid to be PM. It’s as simple as that.
Everton
Manchester United
Southampton
Norwich City
West Ham United
Sheffield Wednesday
Oxford United
Coventry City
Wimbledon
Nottingham Forest
Luton Town
Derby County
For one night only, COYS.
> > @Foxy said:
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> So what you're saying is that if you're in favour of Global Britain, you should support Liverpool, while if you're stuck in the old EU-centric mindset, then Spurs should be your team.
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> Got it.
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> Though of course being in the EU has not stopped Liverpool being a global team
Fair point
> @kinabalu,
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> I don't think the surgeons understood that as a member of the commentariat, Julia Hartley Brewer is absolutely entitled to speak to any conference on any subject whatsoever, with or without their consent or even invitation. Shame on them, the libtard cuckflakes....
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> It is the GPs that have withdrawn their invitation, not the surgeons. In my experience JHB is ubiquitous enough that any interested party can find her opinions out fairly readily.
I used to think you could predict them pretty easily by taking whatever Katie Hopkins had said on a subject then watering them down a fair bit. Now they're full strength Brexit, anti immigrant, lefty-hating harridan-ese. You don't get anywhere nowadays in our brave, new marketplace of opinions by erring on the moderate side of things.
> > @Casino_Royale said:
> > > @IanB2 said:
> > > Why is everyone obsessed with the football? We know a British team will win. What difference does the result make?
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> > I don't even know who's playing.
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> > Watching Chernobyl tonight instead.
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> I can't wait for the second series, the first ended on a massive cliffhanger.
Chernobyl was some of the best tv I have seen in years.
> > @justin124 said:
> > A few years ago we were told that Gove could be ruled out re - becoming PM on account of his fear of flying.What happened to that?
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> He must have dealt with that. Next up, his '30 fags a day' teeth. They look horrible and will need fixing if he makes it. Which despite being Labour through and through I hope he does. I think he could be our best PM since Brown.
Brown was utterly dire.
"For one night only, COYS."
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COYS Of Kensington ??
And the worst was 1827-28 so the claim falls anyway.
> Are they not showing it on ordinary TV?
No BT sport
Liverpool have won five European Cups, Tottenham in first EC/CL final
Liverpool have lost their past four cup finals, Spurs their past two
Klopp has lost his two CL finals; only Marcello Lippi has lost three in a row
Firmino returns from injury for Liverpool, Kane replaces Moura for Spurs
Jose Antonio Reyes remembered before kick-off following death in car crash
> Are they not showing it on ordinary TV?
It's on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wOmcXMabYc
> Ok so everyone is watching the build up to the football but I am still claiming my first.
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> I’m not.
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> I am however looking forward to Montalbano tonight: sexy Italian detective, shots of Sicily, the Mediterranean, delicious food (Montalbano spends a lot of time in restaurants) and some vague plot that no-one really cares about. Mmmmm.........
>
> PS I strongly suspect that the Peterborough Brexit candidate is the brother of a trader I have had lots of dealings with over the years.
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> I hope he doesn’t share his brother’s ethics.
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On a slightly related note I was continuing yesterday in my quest to make a definitive pasta 'ncasciata, a baked macaroni dish with aubergines and cheese that appears regularly and somewhat mystically on Montalbano. The recipes for this dish vary widely and my results so far have fallen short of the Dish of the Gods that these recipes imply. I picked up a Galician cheese in Lidl that I thought might substitute for caciocavallo and tried again. Improving but not quite there yet, I think.
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Are they not showing it on ordinary TV?"
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Virgin Media customers can watch the match free on Channel 100.
> Cameron was both seriously bright and evidence that brightness isn’t everything. But it’s a good start. Corbyn is just too stupid to be PM. It’s as simple as that.
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> I'm waiting for the memoirs, and maybe the history. Cameron was the worst prime minister since Lord North, despite being highly intelligent and having no apparent ideological fixations. I genuinely am at a loss to understand how it all went pear-shaped.
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He had one firm belief; in his own electoral invulnerability. And that was his downfall.
> > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
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> No BT sport
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> Bugger...
That's the free market for you.
Solid poll for BXP, the LDs and especially the Greens for whom this is a very good poll.
Conservatives and Labour sub 40% between them which is incredible but this poll better for Labour and worse for the Conservatives for whom 17% is a catastrophic number.
By the way, I make that a 17% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat since 2017. That might shift a couple of seats.
Apparently the Observer suggests this poll would give the Brexit party an estimated 306 seats and the Tories a mere 26.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/01/brexit-party-nigel-farage-lead-opinion-poll-conservatives-opinium
Think we've done this one.
> https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1134897907319132160
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> Will it get as much media coverage and general excitement as the one showing the Liberal Democrats ahead earlier this week?
Electoral calculas. The Brexit party 18 short of a majority
Cat among pigeons time