All pointless theatre - she won't get it through the Commons.
I am not so sure
You're an optimistic chap. But why would the DUP change their minds? Why would the ERG? Why would Labour MPs?
It comes down to No Deal crash out, attempt to revoke leaving or this deal. I'm absoultely convinced tha no significantly better deal could have been agreed. The idea tha Corbyn led Labour could have done better is laughable. Ic omes down to accepting a reasonable compromise that is Brexit and gives some advantages over remain without losing too many of the advantages of remain. Here she stands she can do no other. Those opposing are playing a dangerous game. If they miscalculate they will pay heavy price (I'm talking to you Labour MPs and Lib Dems).
Wasn't it Jim Hacker who said, 'My Cabinet took a unanimous decision,' only for Sir Humphrey to point out that was becuase Hacker said he he would sack anyone who didn't agree?
Anyone preserving their cabinet place rather than vote their conscience on this vital issue deserves no respect.
But I'm going to sign off and see how far I can get into any published Brexit papers before I fall asleep.
All pointless theatre - she won't get it through the Commons.
I am not so sure
You're an optimistic chap. But why would the DUP change their minds? Why would the ERG? Why would Labour MPs?
Just the narrative will grow that to take it down risks no deal
If May's got any sense then she'll get the vote scheduled before the ECJ rules on A50 revocation. If that gets upheld then the threat of deal or no deal goes away.
Unfortunately that is not possible as the EU Council is due to meet on the 25th November so vote not before early December
All pointless theatre - she won't get it through the Commons.
I am not so sure
You're an optimistic chap. But why would the DUP change their minds? Why would the ERG? Why would Labour MPs?
Just the narrative will grow that to take it down risks no deal
If May's got any sense then she'll get the vote scheduled before the ECJ rules on A50 revocation. If that gets upheld then the threat of deal or no deal goes away.
There is still an application to the Supreme Court to appeal the Court of Session decision there. Think they burnt their bridges on that one but it is not a done deal that the matter will even be before the CJEU.
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
I have belatedly learned that Plato has passed away. She made interesting comments and observations in the rurn up to the last US Presidential Election. She was a feisty lady who was deservedly a PB poster of the year, I enjoyed and appreciated reading her contributions to the site over the years, and am shocked that she died so young and alone. RIP Plato.
All pointless theatre - she won't get it through the Commons.
I am not so sure
You're an optimistic chap. But why would the DUP change their minds? Why would the ERG? Why would Labour MPs?
It comes down to No Deal crash out, attempt to revoke leaving or this deal. I'm absoultely convinced that no significantly better deal could have been agreed. The idea tha Corbyn led Labour could have done better is laughable. Ic omes down to accepting a reasonable compromise that is Brexit and gives some advantages over remain without losing too many of the advantages of remain. Here she stands she can do no other. Those opposing are playing a dangerous game. If they miscalculate they will pay heavy price (I'm talking to you Labour MPs and Lib Dems).
The problem is, either they don't think they have miscalculated, or they don't care so long as they try to revoke leaving (sorry, renegotiate). I don't see what event will convince them otherwise, particularly as they are likely to please their supporters by doing the natural thing, voting against a Tory government (the latter being way overplayed in importance since you can do that all the time, you can even bring them down later, but this deal is more important than just that).
What, precisely, will this caretaker leader be expected to do? If they are to be there until the Brexit process is to be completed what Brexit process do they want to be completed?
They do not have the votes to oust May but even if they did the new leader would be caretaker for barely a few months at best before Corbyn takes over and agrees an almost identical deal to May's anyway but with a permanent Customs Union committed to
The ERG crowd would prefer that it seems, given they would also prefer remain to this deal (that is the implication at any rate, since they appear to be saying this is worse than remaining).
But it does make it a very odd statement. "The PM does not have support for this and must be taken down, then an unknown caretaker with an unknown Brexit position would definitely then sort things out".
May is crap, and the deal is probably crap, but what does rejecting all this achieve? No deal, probably.
What does rejecting all this lead to? Corbyn as PM and permanent Customs Union, perhaps even by February
I think we can all agree that the PR campaign has to start now. May has to forego her usual tight-lipped approach or find others who can do it for her.
May's a total waste of space when it comes to "communicating" with the voters (hence her bizarre performance a moment ago) her "selling" anything is a total non-starter...
Is a record kept of how the cabinet voted for future historians, or is it always secret?
Records of cabinet meetings are confidential documents and only transferred to The National Archives after 30 years - the 30-year rule. At this point most material is released to the public
All pointless theatre - she won't get it through the Commons.
I am not so sure
You're an optimistic chap. But why would the DUP change their minds? Why would the ERG? Why would Labour MPs?
Just the narrative will grow that to take it down risks no deal
If May's got any sense then she'll get the vote scheduled before the ECJ rules on A50 revocation. If that gets upheld then the threat of deal or no deal goes away.
There is still an application to the Supreme Court to appeal the Court of Session decision there. Think they burnt their bridges on that one but it is not a done deal that the matter will even be before the CJEU.
If the ECJ has accepted the case onto their docket, wouldn't it require the Scottish Government to withdraw the case if SCOTUK rules against them. Can the court actually make them do it? I suppose they could arrest Sturgeon and hold her in contempt of court until she does so, but that might just trigger a Scottish UDI!
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
Help. The ERG will vote against anyway. But a 'deal or no deal' scenario would surely tip the bulk of Labour MPs to the 'aye' lobby.
What, precisely, will this caretaker leader be expected to do? If they are to be there until the Brexit process is to be completed what Brexit process do they want to be completed?
They do not have the votes to oust May but even if they did the new leader would be caretaker for barely a few months at best before Corbyn takes over and agrees an almost identical deal to May's anyway but with a permanent Customs Union committed to
The ERG crowd would prefer that it seems, given they would also prefer remain to this deal (that is the implication at any rate, since they appear to be saying this is worse than remaining).
But it does make it a very odd statement. "The PM does not have support for this and must be taken down, then an unknown caretaker with an unknown Brexit position would definitely then sort things out".
May is crap, and the deal is probably crap, but what does rejecting all this achieve? No deal, probably.
What does rejecting all this lead to? Corbyn as PM and permanent Customs Union, perhaps even by February
Maybe. It's not unusual for people to be happier with someone else taking a crap decision rather than them.
I think we can all agree that the PR campaign has to start now. May has to forego her usual tight-lipped approach or find others who can do it for her.
May's a total waste of space when it comes to "communicating" with the voters (hence her bizarre performance a moment ago) her "selling" anything is a total non-starter...
What was bizarre about it
I think it will play very well with Middle England.
The Daily Mail under new editor will be key tonight.
I have belatedly learned that Plato has passed away. She made interesting comments and observations in the rurn up to the last US Presidential Election. She was a feisty lady who was deservedly a PB poster of the year, I enjoyed and appreciated reading her contributions to the site over the years, and am shocked that she died so young and alone. RIP Plato.
That is very sad news. I always got on well with Plato, although I watched her disappearance into a dark world of conspiracy and hate with bemusement.
It's not totally unexpected though in light of recent discussions.
Only a mere 5 years 51 weeks and 1 day since he was convicted.
The lying toerag can go peddle his bullshit in Ghana instead of hawking his pretendy remorse around gullible fools here.
Vengeance is a dish best eaten cold and I am going to enjoy my dinner tonight, I can tell you.
I feel like the write up is meant to make me more sympathetic because he has been in the country a long time, but if he is a convicted criminal and a non-citizen why wouldn't this be the outcome?
Only a mere 5 years 51 weeks and 1 day since he was convicted.
The lying toerag can go peddle his bullshit in Ghana instead of hawking his pretendy remorse around gullible fools here.
Vengeance is a dish best eaten cold and I am going to enjoy my dinner tonight, I can tell you.
I feel like the write up is meant to make me more sympathetic because he has been in the country a long time, but if he is a convicted criminal and a non-citizen why wouldn't this be the outcome?
Also - why if British residency was so important to him did he never apply for citizenship?
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
Help. The ERG will vote against anyway. But a 'deal or no deal' scenario would surely tip the bulk of Labour MPs to the 'aye' lobby.
You'd like to think so wouldn't you. Interesting times.
Only a mere 5 years 51 weeks and 1 day since he was convicted.
The lying toerag can go peddle his bullshit in Ghana instead of hawking his pretendy remorse around gullible fools here.
Vengeance is a dish best eaten cold and I am going to enjoy my dinner tonight, I can tell you.
I feel like the write up is meant to make me more sympathetic because he has been in the country a long time, but if he is a convicted criminal and a non-citizen why wouldn't this be the outcome?
Also - why if British residency was so important to him did he never apply for citizenship?
You need to be of good moral character to get citizenship.
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
Help. The ERG will vote against anyway. But a 'deal or no deal' scenario would surely tip the bulk of Labour MPs to the 'aye' lobby.
I am watching Sky and they have had on sensible Labour MP's, Hilary Benn, Wes Streeting, Catherine West, etc. All saying they can not vote for this deal.
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
Help. The ERG will vote against anyway. But a 'deal or no deal' scenario would surely tip the bulk of Labour MPs to the 'aye' lobby.
Except that May has now opened the 'or no Brexit' option which is already being jumped on by Umunna and Lammy. She is treading a very fine line hoping to persuade more Brexiteers into the 'aye' lobby but it could easily reduce the number of moderate Labour MPs willing to support her.
I have belatedly learned that Plato has passed away. She made interesting comments and observations in the rurn up to the last US Presidential Election. She was a feisty lady who was deservedly a PB poster of the year, I enjoyed and appreciated reading her contributions to the site over the years, and am shocked that she died so young and alone. RIP Plato.
Bloody hell, really? That's appalling news. Damn, I'm sorry to hear that. We've had a lot of bad news for our happy little band recently: @Big_G_NorthWales and (I think) @JosiasJessop and @Barnesian and others have had tribulations and now this. Not good...
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
Help. The ERG will vote against anyway. But a 'deal or no deal' scenario would surely tip the bulk of Labour MPs to the 'aye' lobby.
You'd like to think so wouldn't you. Interesting times.
I think it would. If they vote this down and there is no deal, their supporters will crucify them, and I'm not altogether sure that's a metaphor.
I think it will play very well with Middle England.
The Daily Mail under new editor will be key tonight.
The Express this morning was the surprising cheerleader for the Deal. The Sun wasn't supportive and tonight's Evening Standard very hostile.
A lot will depend on whether the notion of being a vassal State will get any traction or whether "Middle England" which I assume translates as those who are terrified their house price will fall by a third if there is No Deal, will feel relieved.
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
I think we can all agree that the PR campaign has to start now. May has to forego her usual tight-lipped approach or find others who can do it for her.
May's a total waste of space when it comes to "communicating" with the voters (hence her bizarre performance a moment ago) her "selling" anything is a total non-starter...
What was bizarre about it
I think it will play very well with Middle England.
The Daily Mail under new editor will be key tonight.
Do you honestly think those Brexit voters who she lied through her teeth to in 2017 and has now sold down the river care what the Mail thinks?
Papers only reflect their readers views (or they should if they want to make money) they have never driven people's views.
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
Help. The ERG will vote against anyway. But a 'deal or no deal' scenario would surely tip the bulk of Labour MPs to the 'aye' lobby.
You'd like to think so wouldn't you. Interesting times.
I think it would. If they vote this down and there is no deal, their supporters will crucify them, and I'm not altogether sure that's a metaphor.
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
Help. The ERG will vote against anyway. But a 'deal or no deal' scenario would surely tip the bulk of Labour MPs to the 'aye' lobby.
I am watching Sky and they have had on sensible Labour MP's, Hilary Benn, Wes Streeting, Catherine West, etc. All saying they can not vote for this deal.
I think it will play very well with Middle England.
The Daily Mail under new editor will be key tonight.
The Express this morning was the surprising cheerleader for the Deal. The Sun wasn't supportive and tonight's Evening Standard very hostile.
A lot will depend on whether the notion of being a vassal State will get any traction or whether "Middle England" which I assume translates as those who are terrified their house price will fall by a third if there is No Deal, will feel relieved.
Time will tell, it usually does.
If Theresa May invented a cure for cancer, solved world poverty and established intergalactic contact, George Osborne would still criticise her for it.
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
Help. The ERG will vote against anyway. But a 'deal or no deal' scenario would surely tip the bulk of Labour MPs to the 'aye' lobby.
I am watching Sky and they have had on sensible Labour MP's, Hilary Benn, Wes Streeting, Catherine West, etc. All saying they can not vote for this deal.
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
As I understand Labour's position, the claim is that a triumphant Corbyn will be able to negotiate a better deal. (Apologies if I have misunderstood this).
Barnier could certainly help May by making it clear that the EU is not going to spend another 2 years negotiating with a different UK Government, and going over the same ground again.
This is the deal that is on offer. The deal that PM Corbyn would get is not going to be very different to PM May.
The EU does have some other things to be getting on with, other than negotiating endlessly with the UK.
Only a mere 5 years 51 weeks and 1 day since he was convicted.
The lying toerag can go peddle his bullshit in Ghana instead of hawking his pretendy remorse around gullible fools here.
Vengeance is a dish best eaten cold and I am going to enjoy my dinner tonight, I can tell you.
I feel like the write up is meant to make me more sympathetic because he has been in the country a long time, but if he is a convicted criminal and a non-citizen why wouldn't this be the outcome?
You are absolutely right. He should have been sentenced to the maximum sentence. If the UK's biggest fraud does not merit a 10 year sentence, what the hell does? Adoboli is a man of little talent but with an oversized ego and buckets of self-pity who has been indulged and spoiled. He is and has been good at one thing only: peddling bullshit and telling lies. And that's what he's been doing ever since he was released on licence (and long before, in fact). The pity is the number of gullible fools - many of them MPs - who have fallen for it.
I know the full truth about him and it has - at times - been agony watching him come out with nonsense with no-one challenging him, not least because there were people really hurt by the harm he caused who deserve - and have not received - even a smidgen of the concern expressed for him, the spoilt son of a well-off family.
Only a mere 5 years 51 weeks and 1 day since he was convicted.
The lying toerag can go peddle his bullshit in Ghana instead of hawking his pretendy remorse around gullible fools here.
Vengeance is a dish best eaten cold and I am going to enjoy my dinner tonight, I can tell you.
I feel like the write up is meant to make me more sympathetic because he has been in the country a long time, but if he is a convicted criminal and a non-citizen why wouldn't this be the outcome?
Also - why if British residency was so important to him did he never apply for citizenship?
He said on 5Live that he was advised to get his citizenship years ago by the bank's legal team, but was told he might lose his passport for a few months and he said he needed it for business travel and holidays and would do it when he found the time.
Is a record kept of how the cabinet voted for future historians, or is it always secret?
Records of cabinet meetings are confidential documents and only transferred to The National Archives after 30 years - the 30-year rule. At this point most material is released to the public
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
As I understand Labour's position, the claim is that a triumphant Corbyn will be able to negotiate a better deal. (Apologies if I have misunderstood this).
Barnier could certainly help May by making it clear that the EU is not going to spend another 2 years negotiating with a different UK Government, and going over the same ground again.
This is the deal that is on offer. The deal that PM Corbyn would get is not going to be very different to PM May.
The EU does have some other things to be getting on with, other than negotiating endlessly with the UK.
Italy, Poland and Hungary come to mind for a start.
If Theresa May invented a cure for cancer, solved world poverty and established intergalactic contact, George Osborne would still criticise her for it.
And if she offered to make England a vassal state of France and sold us all into indentured servitude and said all the world's toxic waste would be dumped in Hampshire, there would be those who would praise her for it.
Only a mere 5 years 51 weeks and 1 day since he was convicted.
The lying toerag can go peddle his bullshit in Ghana instead of hawking his pretendy remorse around gullible fools here.
Vengeance is a dish best eaten cold and I am going to enjoy my dinner tonight, I can tell you.
I feel like the write up is meant to make me more sympathetic because he has been in the country a long time, but if he is a convicted criminal and a non-citizen why wouldn't this be the outcome?
Also - why if British residency was so important to him did he never apply for citizenship?
He said on 5Live that he was advised to get his citizenship years ago by the bank's legal team, but was told he might lose his passport for a few months and he said he needed it for business travel and holidays and would do it when he found the time.
That is absolute balls. All of it. There is not one word of truth in that statement.
I have belatedly learned that Plato has passed away. She made interesting comments and observations in the rurn up to the last US Presidential Election. She was a feisty lady who was deservedly a PB poster of the year, I enjoyed and appreciated reading her contributions to the site over the years, and am shocked that she died so young and alone. RIP Plato.
Bloody hell, really? That's appalling news. Damn, I'm sorry to hear that. We've had a lot of bad news for our happy little band recently: @Big_G_NorthWales and (I think) @JosiasJessop and @Barnesian and others have had tribulations and now this. Not good...
I doubt you're referring to me; I was ill two or three years ago, but I'm pretty much back to normal now, thanks.
(I'd be happier if I could work out what my 'normal' was ... )
ARTICLE 8: Access to networks, information systems and databases Unless otherwise provided in this Agreement, at the end of the transition period the United Kingdom shall cease to be entitled to access any network, any information system and any database established on the basis of Union law.
Only a mere 5 years 51 weeks and 1 day since he was convicted.
The lying toerag can go peddle his bullshit in Ghana instead of hawking his pretendy remorse around gullible fools here.
Vengeance is a dish best eaten cold and I am going to enjoy my dinner tonight, I can tell you.
I feel like the write up is meant to make me more sympathetic because he has been in the country a long time, but if he is a convicted criminal and a non-citizen why wouldn't this be the outcome?
Also - why if British residency was so important to him did he never apply for citizenship?
He said on 5Live that he was advised to get his citizenship years ago by the bank's legal team, but was told he might lose his passport for a few months and he said he needed it for business travel and holidays and would do it when he found the time.
That is absolute balls. All of it. There is not one word of truth in that statement.
He was very slick, but not very convincing. He got skewered by quite a soft interviewer a number of times.
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
As I understand Labour's position, the claim is that a triumphant Corbyn will be able to negotiate a better deal. (Apologies if I have misunderstood this).
Barnier could certainly help May by making it clear that the EU is not going to spend another 2 years negotiating with a different UK Government, and going over the same ground again.
This is the deal that is on offer. The deal that PM Corbyn would get is not going to be very different to PM May.
The EU does have some other things to be getting on with, other than negotiating endlessly with the UK.
Not likely to be Barnier's decision though. The other member states may well be open to different proposals from a new Government even well into the Transition Period.
ARTICLE 8: Access to networks, information systems and databases Unless otherwise provided in this Agreement, at the end of the transition period the United Kingdom shall cease to be entitled to access any network, any information system and any database established on the basis of Union law.
I think it will play very well with Middle England.
The Daily Mail under new editor will be key tonight.
The Express this morning was the surprising cheerleader for the Deal. The Sun wasn't supportive and tonight's Evening Standard very hostile.
A lot will depend on whether the notion of being a vassal State will get any traction or whether "Middle England" which I assume translates as those who are terrified their house price will fall by a third if there is No Deal, will feel relieved.
Time will tell, it usually does.
If Theresa May invented a cure for cancer, solved world poverty and established intergalactic contact, George Osborne would still criticise her for it.
Judging by the conversations I had this morning at my volunteering place: most people are desperate for a deal, any deal, anything that gets us out of this mess and means there is food on the shelves.
I think we underestimate how the fear of No Deal has started to seep into the general view.
Articles 9-29: UK people resident or working in a EU state will have the same freedoms as now in that EU state but not any others. So if you live and work in France you still can but not now move to, say, Germany. EU people resident in UK retain all freedoms.
I wonder if the French version has the same meaning?
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................ while not excluding the possibility of relevant separation provisions being superseded by the agreement(s) on the future relationship,
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
As I understand Labour's position, the claim is that a triumphant Corbyn will be able to negotiate a better deal. (Apologies if I have misunderstood this).
Barnier could certainly help May by making it clear that the EU is not going to spend another 2 years negotiating with a different UK Government, and going over the same ground again.
This is the deal that is on offer. The deal that PM Corbyn would get is not going to be very different to PM May.
The EU does have some other things to be getting on with, other than negotiating endlessly with the UK.
Not likely to be Barnier's decision though. The other member states may well be open to different proposals from a new Government even well into the Transition Period.
I think you are wrong. This is not just May's deal. It is Barnier's and Verhofstadt's deal as well.
The EU are not going to waste another year or two going through everything all over again.
The EU has other things to do.
The choices are this deal, remain or no deal. I expect the EU will make that crystal-clear.
Why do we have to have that fecking c@#t Blair on giving his sanctimonious shite all the time? Simon Mcoy on BBC this afternoon actually asked him why anybody should listen to "yesterday's man" trying to reverse the will of the people. It made Tony fart, I think!
ARTICLE 31: Social security coordination rules. It says The Union and the United Kingdom shall take due account of the Decisions and Recommendations of the Administrative Commission for the Coordination of Social Security Systems attached to the European Commission. I have no idea what that means.
I think it's very simple. If the ECJ has ruled that an Article 50 notification can be withdrawn by the time the deal is voted on in Parliament, then the deal will fail to pass. The only course of action left to the government then will be to withdraw the notification.
If the ECJ rules that notifications cannot be withdrawn or has not ruled by the time of the parliamentary vote, then the deal will pass. Maybe by the skin of its teeth, but as the only alternative will be disaster, it will pass.
I think it will play very well with Middle England.
The Daily Mail under new editor will be key tonight.
The Express this morning was the surprising cheerleader for the Deal. The Sun wasn't supportive and tonight's Evening Standard very hostile.
A lot will depend on whether the notion of being a vassal State will get any traction or whether "Middle England" which I assume translates as those who are terrified their house price will fall by a third if there is No Deal, will feel relieved.
Time will tell, it usually does.
If Theresa May invented a cure for cancer, solved world poverty and established intergalactic contact, George Osborne would still criticise her for it.
Judging by the conversations I had this morning at my volunteering place: most people are desperate for a deal, any deal, anything that gets us out of this mess and means there is food on the shelves.
I think we underestimate how the fear of No Deal has started to seep into the general view.
You need to run a analysis of ERG loons to safe seats to see whether reality might bite. Yes though, the silent middle is quite wide and will not always be quiescent.
Articles 9-29: UK people resident or working in a EU state will have the same freedoms as now in that EU state but not any others. So if you live and work in France you still can but not now move to, say, Germany. EU people resident in UK retain all freedoms.
Makes sense, a Frenchman in Germany won't have the right to be resident in the UK say
ARTICLE 34: Administrative cooperation. the United Kingdom shall have the status of observer in the Administrative Commission. So we get to be an observer. Fair enough, and it's the accession procedure in reverse.
ARTICLE 4 Non-regression of labour and social standards 1. With the aim of ensuring the proper functioning of the single customs territory, the Union and the United Kingdom shall ensure that the level of protection provided for by law, regulations and practices is not reduced below the level provided by the common standards applicable within the Union and the United Kingdom at the end of the transition period in the area of labour and social protection and as regards fundamental rights at work, occupational health and safety, fair working conditions and employment standards, information and consultation rights at company level, and restructuring.
Only a mere 5 years 51 weeks and 1 day since he was convicted.
The lying toerag can go peddle his bullshit in Ghana instead of hawking his pretendy remorse around gullible fools here.
Vengeance is a dish best eaten cold and I am going to enjoy my dinner tonight, I can tell you.
I feel like the write up is meant to make me more sympathetic because he has been in the country a long time, but if he is a convicted criminal and a non-citizen why wouldn't this be the outcome?
Also - why if British residency was so important to him did he never apply for citizenship?
He said on 5Live that he was advised to get his citizenship years ago by the bank's legal team, but was told he might lose his passport for a few months and he said he needed it for business travel and holidays and would do it when he found the time.
That is absolute balls. All of it. There is not one word of truth in that statement.
He was very slick, but not very convincing. He got skewered by quite a soft interviewer a number of times.
May's demeanour during her statement said it all - no enthusiasm, spoke in a monotone which had all the excitement of the shipping forecast. Selling a deal on the basis of "this is crap but the alternatives are worse" is always a difficult task and May seems to have no stomach for this task.
May's demeanour during her statement said it all - no enthusiasm, spoke in a monotone which had all the excitement of the shipping forecast. Selling a deal on the basis of "this is crap but the alternatives are worse" is always a difficult task and May seems to have no stomach for this task.
She seemed relieved to me, as if she hadn't expected to get it through.
2. Directive 2006/112/EC shall continue to apply until 5 years after the end of the transition period with regard to the taxable person's rights and obligations in relation to transactions with a cross-border element between the United Kingdom and a Member State that took place before the end of the transition period and with regard to transactions covered by paragraph 1.
Does this mean no removal of VAT on sanitary products, for example, for at least 7 years?
2. Directive 2006/112/EC shall continue to apply until 5 years after the end of the transition period with regard to the taxable person's rights and obligations in relation to transactions with a cross-border element between the United Kingdom and a Member State that took place before the end of the transition period and with regard to transactions covered by paragraph 1.
Does this mean no removal of VAT on sanitary products, for example, for at least 7 years?
No - stress on the "relation to transactions with a cross-border element between the United Kingdom and a Member State that took place before the end of the transition period" - the five years is for the settlement of your outstanding liabilities.
If Barnier makes it clear that this is it, this or no deal, will that help or hinder May? The psychosis of some of the Brexiteers makes that uncertain to my mind.
As I understand Labour's position, the claim is that a triumphant Corbyn will be able to negotiate a better deal. (Apologies if I have misunderstood this).
Barnier could certainly help May by making it clear that the EU is not going to spend another 2 years negotiating with a different UK Government, and going over the same ground again.
This is the deal that is on offer. The deal that PM Corbyn would get is not going to be very different to PM May.
The EU does have some other things to be getting on with, other than negotiating endlessly with the UK.
Not likely to be Barnier's decision though. The other member states may well be open to different proposals from a new Government even well into the Transition Period.
I think you are wrong. This is not just May's deal. It is Barnier's and Verhofstadt's deal as well.
The EU are not going to waste another year or two going through everything all over again.
The EU has other things to do.
The choices are this deal, remain or no deal. I expect the EU will make that crystal-clear.
"making it clear" in a negotiation means fuck all. What's signed is what matters and then what matters is the interpretation/ determination is the meaning of what's signed is challenged. Even then I suspect that a Sovereign state could walk away from anything. Fancy having to rely on Corbyn and some Tory nutters.
2. Directive 2006/112/EC shall continue to apply until 5 years after the end of the transition period with regard to the taxable person's rights and obligations in relation to transactions with a cross-border element between the United Kingdom and a Member State that took place before the end of the transition period and with regard to transactions covered by paragraph 1.
Does this mean no removal of VAT on sanitary products, for example, for at least 7 years?
Yes, for cross-border transactions that were created before the end of the transition period. Prevents you starting a deal five minutes before the end then five minutes after going "hah-hah, fingers crossed!".
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But I'm going to sign off and see how far I can get into any published Brexit papers before I fall asleep.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/cabinet-gov/meetings-papers.htm
The Daily Mail under new editor will be key tonight.
It's not totally unexpected though in light of recent discussions.
I feel like the write up is meant to make me more sympathetic because he has been in the country a long time, but if he is a convicted criminal and a non-citizen why wouldn't this be the outcome?
A lot will depend on whether the notion of being a vassal State will get any traction or whether "Middle England" which I assume translates as those who are terrified their house price will fall by a third if there is No Deal, will feel relieved.
Time will tell, it usually does.
Papers only reflect their readers views (or they should if they want to make money) they have never driven people's views.
Barnier could certainly help May by making it clear that the EU is not going to spend another 2 years negotiating with a different UK Government, and going over the same ground again.
This is the deal that is on offer. The deal that PM Corbyn would get is not going to be very different to PM May.
The EU does have some other things to be getting on with, other than negotiating endlessly with the UK.
I know the full truth about him and it has - at times - been agony watching him come out with nonsense with no-one challenging him, not least because there were people really hurt by the harm he caused who deserve - and have not received - even a smidgen of the concern expressed for him, the spoilt son of a well-off family.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2018/nov/14/brexit-deal-theresa-may-conservatives-meet-decide-cabinet-politics-live?page=with:block-5bec7bfae4b0772932e1fd74#block-5bec7bfae4b0772932e1fd74
(I'd be happier if I could work out what my 'normal' was ...
Unless otherwise provided in this Agreement, at the end of the transition period the United Kingdom shall cease to be entitled to access any network, any information system and any database established on the basis of Union law.
Incidentally this is a totally unrelated bet slip of mine
Time for Labour MPs to ask for a bigger office.
I think we underestimate how the fear of No Deal has started to seep into the general view.
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................ while not excluding the possibility of relevant separation provisions being superseded by the agreement(s) on the future relationship,
The EU are not going to waste another year or two going through everything all over again.
The EU has other things to do.
The choices are this deal, remain or no deal. I expect the EU will make that crystal-clear.
If the ECJ rules that notifications cannot be withdrawn or has not ruled by the time of the parliamentary vote, then the deal will pass. Maybe by the skin of its teeth, but as the only alternative will be disaster, it will pass.
Non-regression of labour and social standards
1. With the aim of ensuring the proper functioning of the single customs territory, the Union and the United Kingdom shall ensure that the level of protection provided for by law, regulations and practices is not reduced below the level provided by the common standards applicable within the Union and the United Kingdom at the end of the transition period in the area of labour and social protection and as regards fundamental rights at work, occupational health and safety, fair working conditions and employment standards, information and consultation rights at company level, and restructuring.
Does this mean no removal of VAT on sanitary products, for example, for at least 7 years?
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1062800887943438339