Tough on Scottish fish, Tough on the causes of Scottish fish
Incorrect. No access for French, Spanish and Dutch fishermen was included in the agreement. Kuensberg pointed this yesterday.
You've been had. That relates to the UK-wide customs union backstop. It is not a deal that will ever be implemented as is.
Also, the fish contracts are commercial agreements to certain companies / vessels. For example,one Dutch family own a boat (registered in the UK, "owned" by a UK company) has the right to catch 25% of all UK based cod because they have bought out competitors and acquired their quotas.
They sell all the UK catch abroad to non-EU countries. Please explain how Brexit will solve this....
The government could issue fresh quotas with new requirements, eg, that a certain percentage of the quota required to be landed at UK ports; that the crew included UK citizens; that the boats were not over a certain size, that under competition law no associated companies were to have more than 5% of the rights, etc.
I remember when my firm was buying prime agricultural farms in Angus and paying more for the milk quota than they were for the land and buildings. It is utterly ridiculous when markets are distorted to such an extent. Milk quota, in those days, was a licence to print money but there was no guarantee that that would always be the case and once we are out of the CFP it will be for us to decide how consents are given out. Unless, of course, we have agreed otherwise.
Howrver, as I pointed out, Gove has promised to maintain existing quotas in his whitepaper, and being in the CFP does not prevent reallocation.
My understanding was that that undertaking was for the transitional period only. We have also been told that there is nothing in this agreement about this (which surprises me). A UK White paper is not a binding commitment. I think we will have to wait and see but there are a number of new Scottish Tory MPs whose future may turn on this.
From the same article:
"Under the EU rules, the UK already has and always has possessed the power to alter the way quota is allocated, and if it wished could make more of the quota available to smaller vessels. Successive governments have declined to do so, partly because of the complexity of changing the allocations, which might face legal challenges from the owners of big vessels, but also out of free-market ideology."
All possible under this great deal. Impossible with a hard left Corbyn government trying to build socialism in one country in the midst of an economic crash.
You've been had. That relates to the UK-wide customs union backstop. It is not a deal that will ever be implemented as is.
Also, the fish contracts are commercial agreements to certain companies / vessels. For example,one Dutch family own a boat (registered in the UK, "owned" by a UK company) has the right to catch 25% of all UK based cod because they have bought out competitors and acquired their quotas.
They sell all the UK catch abroad to non-EU countries. Please explain how Brexit will solve this....
The government could issue fresh quotas with new requirements, eg, that a certain percentage of the quota required to be landed at UK ports; that the crew included UK citizens; that the boats were not over a certain size, that under competition law no associated companies were to have more than 5% of the rights, etc.
I remember when my firm was buying prime agricultural farms in Angus and paying more for the milk quota than they were for the land and buildings. It is utterly ridiculous when markets are distorted to such an extent. Milk quota, in those days, was a licence to print money but there was no guarantee that that would always be the case and once we are out of the CFP it will be for us to decide how consents are given out. Unless, of course, we have agreed otherwise.
Howrver, as I pointed out, Gove has promised to maintain existing quotas in his whitepaper, and being in the CFP does not prevent reallocation.
My understanding was that that undertaking was for the transitional period only. We have also been told that there is nothing in this agreement about this (which surprises me). A UK White paper is not a binding commitment. I think we will have to wait and see but there are a number of new Scottish Tory MPs whose future may turn on this.
From the same article:
"Under the EU rules, the UK already has and always has possessed the power to alter the way quota is allocated, and if it wished could make more of the quota available to smaller vessels. Successive governments have declined to do so, partly because of the complexity of changing the allocations, which might face legal challenges from the owners of big vessels, but also out of free-market ideology."
If the Scots think their problem is being part of CFP and making their demands accordingly, it hardly matters if the real truth is harder to swallow.
I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?
Yes. The USA is considerably bigger than the entire EU27 put together. Why is it we in the EU don't have a deal with them but Australia do?
The US had hardly any free trade deals.
Just with successful independent countries like Australia, South Korea and Singapore. Ie precisely the countries we should be acting like with a free trade mentality outside of the EU.
The total population of the countries the US has free trade deals with is tiny. It is - simply - not a very pro-free trade country.
Isn't it really easy to get a trade deal with the US if you simply sign up to their boiler plate one which gives the US all the benefits? I'd guess with most countries a trade deal is very easy to get, if you aren't fussed about it actually getting concessions to aid your own trade and are willing to give them whatever they want. I was a bit worried that the Fantastic Dr Fox might be tempted to go around the world signing anything put in front of him.
The best trade deal that is ready made for us is the Trans Pacific Partnership. Some of the signatories have already asked us to join, Canada, Japan and Australia have already vetted it to be good for various advanced economies, and the crap the US put in it was cut out after Trump's tantrum. Once that is done we can negotiate as a bloc with the USA trying to reenter good relations with the world post-Trump.
All possible under this great deal. Impossible with a hard left Corbyn government trying to build socialism in one country in the midst of an economic crash.
How can we do such a deal if we are in a CU with the EU?
All possible under this great deal. Impossible with a hard left Corbyn government trying to build socialism in one country in the midst of an economic crash.
Are you posting from CCHQ?
The IMF reckons we're due for an upgrade if May's deal passes.
I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?
Yes. The USA is considerably bigger than the entire EU27 put together. Why is it we in the EU don't have a deal with them but Australia do?
The US had hardly any free trade deals.
Just with successful independent countries like Australia, South Korea and Singapore. Ie precisely the countries we should be acting like with a free trade mentality outside of the EU.
The total population of the countries the US has free trade deals with is tiny. It is - simply - not a very pro-free trade country.
Isn't it really easy to get a trade deal with the US if you simply sign up to their boiler plate one which gives the US all the benefits? I'd guess with most countries a trade deal is very easy to get, if you aren't fussed about it actually getting concessions to aid your own trade and are willing to give them whatever they want. I was a bit worried that the Fantastic Dr Fox might be tempted to go around the world signing anything put in front of him.
The best trade deal that is ready made for us is the Trans Pacific Partnership. Some of the signatories have already asked us to join, Canada, Japan and Australia have already vetted it to be good for various advanced economies, and the crap the US put in it was cut out after Trump's tantrum. Once that is done we can negotiate as a bloc with the USA trying to reenter good relations with the world post-Trump.
All possible under this great deal. Impossible with a hard left Corbyn government trying to build socialism in one country in the midst of an economic crash.
Theresa. Shouldn't you concentrate on chairing your cabinet meeting instead of moonlighting on here?
"Under the EU rules, the UK already has and always has possessed the power to alter the way quota is allocated, and if it wished could make more of the quota available to smaller vessels. Successive governments have declined to do so, partly because of the complexity of changing the allocations, which might face legal challenges from the owners of big vessels, but also out of free-market ideology."
Blimey, not using the tools we had - just like immigration !
I don't get the fuss about free trade deals. We have excellent trade deals right now through the EU. We know the EU negotiators are excellent. We know ours are crap.
Are our crap negotiators going to out there and get better deals for the UK only than the EU excellent negotiators got for the EU including the UK?
Yes. The USA is considerably bigger than the entire EU27 put together. Why is it we in the EU don't have a deal with them but Australia do?
The US had hardly any free trade deals.
Just with successful independent countries like Australia, South Korea and Singapore. Ie precisely the countries we should be acting like with a free trade mentality outside of the EU.
The total population of the countries the US has free trade deals with is tiny. It is - simply - not a very pro-free trade country.
Isn't it really easy to get a trade deal with the US if you simply sign up to their boiler plate one which gives the US all the benefits? I'd guess with most countries a trade deal is very easy to get, if you aren't fussed about it actually getting concessions to aid your own trade and are willing to give them whatever they want. I was a bit worried that the Fantastic Dr Fox might be tempted to go around the world signing anything put in front of him.
The best trade deal that is ready made for us is the Trans Pacific Partnership. Some of the signatories have already asked us to join, Canada, Japan and Australia have already vetted it to be good for various advanced economies, and the crap the US put in it was cut out after Trump's tantrum. Once that is done we can negotiate as a bloc with the USA trying to reenter good relations with the world post-Trump.
All possible under this great deal. Impossible with a hard left Corbyn government trying to build socialism in one country in the midst of an economic crash.
How can we do such a deal if we are in a CU with the EU?
Same principles as behind Vote Leave's proposition that by Leaving we'd have all the benefits of the Single Market without any of the costs if we left.
All possible under this great deal. Impossible with a hard left Corbyn government trying to build socialism in one country in the midst of an economic crash.
Are you posting from CCHQ?
The IMF reckons we're due for an upgrade if May's deal passes.
The IMF isn't a ratings agency, and I think the quote your referring to has been misinterpreted.
"Under the EU rules, the UK already has and always has possessed the power to alter the way quota is allocated, and if it wished could make more of the quota available to smaller vessels. Successive governments have declined to do so, partly because of the complexity of changing the allocations, which might face legal challenges from the owners of big vessels, but also out of free-market ideology."
Yes, it's another example of successive governments choosing to do something unpopular and allowing/encouraging people to blame the EU for it.
At one point I had hoped that a benefit of Brexit would be that the country would have to take responsibility for its own decisions, but as the negotiations have progressed it has become plain that blaming the EU will remain a popular option for British politicians for some time to come.
They're delusional zealots who would soil themselves in a real battle. Paper warriors who would sacrifice country and party for their virginal masturbatory pre-Suez Britain fantasies.
I think Tim must have lost the plot if he’s saying this. This is not going to make the UK an attractive investment proposition nor will it negate the plans of any businesses planning to leave. We are paying a vast sum to still allow Brussels to control our trading laws and without any trade deal at all. It raises huge constitutional issues with regard to both NI and Scotland. Sadly, Tony Blair was right on the money when he said May’s deal satisfies no one other than those desperate for any deal - like May.
It is completely mental. They get control of immigration. We exit the hated ECJ. We get to control our entire service industry. We do this while maintaining JIT supply chains. And they will die in a ditch over it because some widgets in Northern Ireland will have to follow German standards when they will be mainly exported to the Eurozone anyway.
And the Remainers are just as bad on the other side. The worst aspects of British culture, that constant negativity and reasons why everything is awful, is going to screw us. Imagine if this had been what Pitt the Younger had faced in the peace after Waterloo. Or if Churchill had to deal with this post-Yalta.
They're delusional zealots who would soil themselves in a real battle. Paper warriors who would sacrifice country and party for their virginal masturbatory pre-Suez Britain fantasies.
Its going to be great fun once the deal is done and dusted .
If it is Brady announcing "the letters", then doing it at the EXACT SAME TIME as May is pleading for her party's support?
That is, frankly, weapons grade shade and I love him for it.
I don't think Brady would do that.*
*He hopes, having somehow left a red £200 out on May going this year. Besides she probably wins the VONC. Best to get it out the way before the voting starts maybe !
It is completely mental. They get control of immigration. We exit the hated ECJ. We get to control our entire service industry. We do this while maintaining JIT supply chains.
When do we get any of that? Not during transition, and the future relationship hasn't been negotiated yet. You are basing all of your talking points on the backstop which is only there to guarantee no hard border in Northern Ireland.
"Under the EU rules, the UK already has and always has possessed the power to alter the way quota is allocated, and if it wished could make more of the quota available to smaller vessels. Successive governments have declined to do so, partly because of the complexity of changing the allocations, which might face legal challenges from the owners of big vessels, but also out of free-market ideology."
Blimey, not using the tools we had - just like immigration !
This is the normal UK problem. The city's needs to trade things such as quotas trumps the needs of communities such as Hull to be able to use their resources to create local jobs and wealth. Brexit will not help if it leaves people such as JRM in charge.
It is completely mental. They get control of immigration. We exit the hated ECJ. We get to control our entire service industry. We do this while maintaining JIT supply chains. And they will die in a ditch over it because some widgets in Northern Ireland will have to follow German standards when they will be mainly exported to the Eurozone anyway.
And the Remainers are just as bad on the other side. The worst aspects of British culture, that constant negativity and reasons why everything is awful, is going to screw us. Imagine if this had been what Pitt the Younger had faced in the peace after Waterloo. Or if Churchill had to deal with this post-Yalta.
Again. If these people feel so strongly about the Conservative Party policy then they should resign the whip. Or stay and continue to give it their tacit consent.
"Under the EU rules, the UK already has and always has possessed the power to alter the way quota is allocated, and if it wished could make more of the quota available to smaller vessels. Successive governments have declined to do so, partly because of the complexity of changing the allocations, which might face legal challenges from the owners of big vessels, but also out of free-market ideology."
Blimey, not using the tools we had - just like immigration !
"There's no place like home! There's no place like home!"
There is talk on the wires of the DUP pulling out of the confidence and supply deal they are currently in with the Government. Whips have told all MPs to not go on unnecessary journeys away from the UK
We should be on amber alert for a GE as a result of this. There was a tweet earlier that the No 10 spokesman couldn't confirm whether the Con-DUP C&S arrangement was operational. If the DUP abstain on a VoNC, I reckon the Tories win 315-312 if everyone turns up, the Dep Speakers don't vote, everyone votes according to party whip, the (other) opposition parties all vote against, the MPs who are suspended from or resigned their whip vote with their parent party, and Sinn Fein stay away. Not all of those are safe assumptions and three votes in over 600 is extremely tight. Obviously, if the DUP vote against, it's game over.
However, the timetable for a GE would be horrible. I reckon it'd look something like:
Today: cabinet signs of text of deal. 25 Nov: EU summit signs off deal. 27 Nov: HoC votes down deal. 29 Nov: HoC passes VoNC in govt. 13 Dec: Two-week period lapses; no new govt. Proclamation of election delayed until new Year. Merry Christmas. Early Jan: parliament dissolved 31 Jan: General election
There have to be 5 weeks separating Dissolution and Polling Day , so an early January Dissolution would imply Polling Day being 7th or 14th February.
It is completely mental. They get control of immigration. We exit the hated ECJ. We get to control our entire service industry. We do this while maintaining JIT supply chains. And they will die in a ditch over it because some widgets in Northern Ireland will have to follow German standards when they will be mainly exported to the Eurozone anyway.
And the Remainers are just as bad on the other side. The worst aspects of British culture, that constant negativity and reasons why everything is awful, is going to screw us. Imagine if this had been what Pitt the Younger had faced in the peace after Waterloo. Or if Churchill had to deal with this post-Yalta.
“I’ve spoken to cabinet and nobody agrees on anything. I’ve had to put up with this bloody bickering for 2 years and I can’t stand it anymore, I’m off - good luck trying to do any better.”?
Didn't one of the German princes when forced to abdicate in 1918 say something like "good luck trying to sort this crap out by yourselves"?
Or as good King Charles prophetically put it to his captors: "You have done your work, boys, and may go play, unless you will fall out among yourselves"
Blair this afternoon saying a second referendum will unite the Country
Delusional
I have been pondering this. I reckon it's not the act f having a further referendum that may unite, it's the outcome. 52-48 either way won't settle it from here (particularly with the fraudulent spending by Vote Leave and the bus still as divisive as ever.)
But if it's 60-40 either way I reckon that might just get to a place where it's clear enough to settle it. Frankly I'd rather a clear result than a knife-edge, even if it's not what I want personally. Need an exit hatch and I'm nervous that we'll be bickering over this for decades. A terms referendum with a clear result might be what it takes.
I was in Debenhams in a big city recently and there were more staff than customers. It was rather a sad sight. I remember when those types of department stores were always busy, not that long ago.
It would appear that the Cabinet are given far too little time to understand the document(s), which will no doubt be full of language designed to be opaque to casual readers.
Were I an Cabinet I would find it hard to support the document on the basis that I had insufficient time to understand the contents.
I could see the Cabinet meeting not ending on time, which could scupper the 5.00pm photo op outside No 10.
Few weeks ago Her Majesty and I were in Canterbury pondering whether to get a coffee in Patisserie Valerie. We decided not to. Next thing you know Pat Val is all over over the news for the wrong reasons and the shares dive.
Yesterday we were in Canterbury considering whether to go to Debenhams. Decided against it, Today...
As a service to any PBers with shares in retail I will let you know next time we plan to visit Canterbury!
Blair this afternoon saying a second referendum will unite the Country
Delusional
I have been pondering this. I reckon it's not the act f having a further referendum that may unite, it's the outcome. 52-48 either way won't settle it from here (particularly with the fraudulent spending by Vote Leave and the bus still as divisive as ever.)
But if it's 60-40 either way I reckon that might just get to a place where it's clear enough to settle it. Frankly I'd rather a clear result than a knife-edge, even if it's not what I want personally. Need an exit hatch and I'm nervous that we'll be bickering over this for decades. A terms referendum with a clear result might be what it takes.
Yes, that's right. We can only hope for a decisive result, but any result would at least be related to fixed plans.
Few weeks ago Her Majesty and I were in Canterbury pondering whether to get a coffee in Patisserie Valerie. We decided not to. Next thing you know Pat Val is all over over the news for the wrong reasons and the shares dive.
Yesterday we were in Canterbury considering whether to go to Debenhams. Decided against it, Today...
As a service to any PBers with shares in retail I will let you know next time we plan to visit Canterbury!
My favourite restaurant in the all the world is in Canterbury. Please don't ever decide not to go to The Goods Shed.
Few weeks ago Her Majesty and I were in Canterbury pondering whether to get a coffee in Patisserie Valerie. We decided not to. Next thing you know Pat Val is all over over the news for the wrong reasons and the shares dive.
Yesterday we were in Canterbury considering whether to go to Debenhams. Decided against it, Today...
As a service to any PBers with shares in retail I will let you know next time we plan to visit Canterbury!
Please don't decide not to go to Selfridges, Hugo Boss, Paul Smith, and Hawkes & Curtis or I'll be struggling to buy clothes.
Few weeks ago Her Majesty and I were in Canterbury pondering whether to get a coffee in Patisserie Valerie. We decided not to. Next thing you know Pat Val is all over over the news for the wrong reasons and the shares dive.
Yesterday we were in Canterbury considering whether to go to Debenhams. Decided against it, Today...
As a service to any PBers with shares in retail I will let you know next time we plan to visit Canterbury!
My favourite restaurant in the all the world is in Canterbury. Please don't ever decide not to go to The Goods Shed.
Oh shit.... sorry....
Mind you last time was a few weeks ago, so they may have got away with it!
Few weeks ago Her Majesty and I were in Canterbury pondering whether to get a coffee in Patisserie Valerie. We decided not to. Next thing you know Pat Val is all over over the news for the wrong reasons and the shares dive.
Yesterday we were in Canterbury considering whether to go to Debenhams. Decided against it, Today...
As a service to any PBers with shares in retail I will let you know next time we plan to visit Canterbury!
Please don't decide not to go to Selfridges, Hugo Boss, Paul Smith, and Hawkes & Curtis.
An cut-out-and-keep guide to who is and isn't fucked in retail:
Just imagine if it turns out the 48th letter to Sir Graham Brady was from Jo Johnson
Sending the letters in just as May completes one of the trickiest deals in UK history. It'd be the act of absolute filth.
Unless she herself instructed the letters to be sent in order to demonstrate that there isn't an alternative that a majority could agree on. It would be a brave move (and, for that reason, I think unlikely) but it would clear the air relatively quickly. It would also enable her to be seen as unreasonably beleaguered despite having done her best - it's one way of beginning to mobilise support for her deal in the wider country.
Does anyone think that there will be a public petition to support the deal....?
It is completely mental. They get control of immigration. We exit the hated ECJ. We get to control our entire service industry. We do this while maintaining JIT supply chains.
When do we get any of that? Not during transition, and the future relationship hasn't been negotiated yet. You are basing all of your talking points on the backstop which is only there to guarantee no hard border in Northern Ireland.
We get all of it under the agreements we have agreed to date. If a separate agreement on future relationship changes that, by all means block that. But its madness to do right now.
Perhaps May will say the cabinet has agreement, but she wishes to test herself in a confidence vote before the heavy lifting in terms of voting gets going.
Just imagine if it turns out the 48th letter to Sir Graham Brady was from Jo Johnson
Sending the letters in just as May completes one of the trickiest deals in UK history. It'd be the act of absolute filth.
Unless she herself instructed the letters to be sent in order to demonstrate that there isn't an alternative that a majority could agree on. It would be a brave move (and, for that reason, I think unlikely) but it would clear the air relatively quickly. It would also enable her to be seen as unreasonably beleaguered despite having done her best - it's one way of beginning to mobilise support for her deal in the wider country.
Does anyone think that there will be a public petition to support the deal....?
If there is a petition there will be at least one other (Remain, Dump the Deal or No Deal)
Just imagine if it turns out the 48th letter to Sir Graham Brady was from Jo Johnson
Sending the letters in just as May completes one of the trickiest deals in UK history. It'd be the act of absolute filth.
Unless she herself instructed the letters to be sent in order to demonstrate that there isn't an alternative that a majority could agree on. It would be a brave move (and, for that reason, I think unlikely) but it would clear the air relatively quickly. It would also enable her to be seen as unreasonably beleaguered despite having done her best - it's one way of beginning to mobilise support for her deal in the wider country.
Does anyone think that there will be a public petition to support the deal....?
If there is a petition there will be at least one other (Remain, Dump the Deal or No Deal)
Hold a referendum on the final Brexit deal
145,117 signatures, now closed Leave the EU immediately
141,837 signatures, now closed Parliament's vote on the Brexit deal must include an option to remain in the EU.
113,614 signatures, now closed If there is no agreement to leave the EU then brexit must be stopped
109,089 signatures Ensure that the U.K. leaves the EU Single Market & Customs Union.
Just imagine if it turns out the 48th letter to Sir Graham Brady was from Jo Johnson
Sending the letters in just as May completes one of the trickiest deals in UK history. It'd be the act of absolute filth.
Unless she herself instructed the letters to be sent in order to demonstrate that there isn't an alternative that a majority could agree on. It would be a brave move (and, for that reason, I think unlikely) but it would clear the air relatively quickly. It would also enable her to be seen as unreasonably beleaguered despite having done her best - it's one way of beginning to mobilise support for her deal in the wider country.
Does anyone think that there will be a public petition to support the deal....?
If there is a petition there will be at least one other (Remain, Dump the Deal or No Deal)
It might be a way of saving us from having a Ref2!
News regarding Plato. Following the recent discussion here regarding Plato I sent her an email enquiring after her health. I have just received a reply from her brother informing me that Phillippa died at home of natural causes aged 51 on 29th June. She had apparently been unwell for some time, but had refused to see a doctor. Her brother tells me what we all knew - Plato lived for scrapping and discussions on forums such as this place.
Personally I think this is a blinding deal and Robbins is to be congratulated , but fully expect it to fail to pass the commons due to the Unionist angle in both NI and Scotland.
He's managed to get tariff free FULL access to the Single market with no payments and no FOM. ( unless there's something lurking in the details)
Completely breaking the EU's sacred 4 freedoms, all by turning the Northern Ireland backstop into a massive trojan horse.
He's turned the 'we must have a backstop' into ok it'll mean the UK being inside the single market in the event of no agreed deal.
One day someone will notice the elegance of the maneuver.
Perhaps May will say the cabinet has agreement, but she wishes to test herself in a confidence vote before the heavy lifting in terms of voting gets going.
Could be Brady has the letters. I understand that he checks to see if they want withdraw or have had a change of mind. As the regulations have (I believe) some fluidity, possibly on interview with the senders finds they were sent in at the behest of others, not their own volition, therefore he is excluding them from the total. As the PM is unable to force a VONC herself, he could rule she cannot do it by proxy.
There are numerous possibilities.
It could be he wishes to tell the PCP that his postman is on a sabbatical and will not be delivering mail to him until January.
Perhaps May will say the cabinet has agreement, but she wishes to test herself in a confidence vote before the heavy lifting in terms of voting gets going.
I worry for May if that’s the case given her track record when calling snap votes...
Perhaps May will say the cabinet has agreement, but she wishes to test herself in a confidence vote before the heavy lifting in terms of voting gets going.
I worry for May if that’s the case given her track record when calling snap votes...
It's a regular meeting ! Might be a bit of table banging for May if she's lucky.
I don't think Labour's soundbite about a "botched deal" will resonate. It's clearly not a botched deal - it's what Brexit is.
By the sound of it, the deal is as good as Brexit gets - not as good as remaining, but if we have to leave, not a bad outcome. The fact that the headbangers have no pragmatism, realism or common sense and cannot see this is hardly to their credit.
As they're all still locked in the Cabinet how on earth does anyone know that?
Toilet break + mobile phone. That's the problem with a five-hour cabinet: you do have to allow the odd comfort break.
Mrs May should learn from the civil servants I used to have negotiate with at the LCD (as it then when was). Give everyone lots of coffee and no comfort breaks. Spin the proceedings out for as long as you can and they'll agree to anything you want.
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"Under the EU rules, the UK already has and always has possessed the power to alter the way quota is allocated, and if it wished could make more of the quota available to smaller vessels. Successive governments have declined to do so, partly because of the complexity of changing the allocations, which might face legal challenges from the owners of big vessels, but also out of free-market ideology."
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1062744202428198913
Graham Brady has called an unscheduled 1922 meeting at the exact time May is speaking.
womp womp
https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1062740461943734272
https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1062731733890723840
At one point I had hoped that a benefit of Brexit would be that the country would have to take responsibility for its own decisions, but as the negotiations have progressed it has become plain that blaming the EU will remain a popular option for British politicians for some time to come.
That is, frankly, weapons grade shade and I love him for it.
Delusional
And the Remainers are just as bad on the other side. The worst aspects of British culture, that constant negativity and reasons why everything is awful, is going to screw us. Imagine if this had been what Pitt the Younger had faced in the peace after Waterloo. Or if Churchill had to deal with this post-Yalta.
What's about to happen to Theresa May
I think it's fairly clear nobody is any mood for unity. Everyone is itching for a scrap.
Grab your beaters, son. We're going bully-ramming.
*He hopes, having somehow left a red £200 out on May going this year. Besides she probably wins the VONC. Best to get it out the way before the voting starts maybe !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHmFMVGJs4s
There's no more wretched hive of scum and villainy in the universe.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1062746933071101953
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr-iXbRXQAMHx5y.jpg
And that's why I will always love him.
Apart from that it's spot on.
But if it's 60-40 either way I reckon that might just get to a place where it's clear enough to settle it. Frankly I'd rather a clear result than a knife-edge, even if it's not what I want personally. Need an exit hatch and I'm nervous that we'll be bickering over this for decades. A terms referendum with a clear result might be what it takes.
Were I an Cabinet I would find it hard to support the document on the basis that I had insufficient time to understand the contents.
I could see the Cabinet meeting not ending on time, which could scupper the 5.00pm photo op outside No 10.
Few weeks ago Her Majesty and I were in Canterbury pondering whether to get a coffee in Patisserie Valerie. We decided not to. Next thing you know Pat Val is all over over the news for the wrong reasons and the shares dive.
Yesterday we were in Canterbury considering whether to go to Debenhams. Decided against it, Today...
As a service to any PBers with shares in retail I will let you know next time we plan to visit Canterbury!
Mr. Labour, I agree. Why some people think doing away with physical money is a good idea is beyond me.
I wonder what the chances are of Leave/Remain supporters uniting in the Commons to defeat May's deal, and go to a No Deal/Remain referendum.
Mind you last time was a few weeks ago, so they may have got away with it!
Isn't: Amazon
Is: the rest
Does anyone think that there will be a public petition to support the deal....?
Hold a referendum on the final Brexit deal
145,117 signatures, now closed
Leave the EU immediately
141,837 signatures, now closed
Parliament's vote on the Brexit deal must include an option to remain in the EU.
113,614 signatures, now closed
If there is no agreement to leave the EU then brexit must be stopped
109,089 signatures
Ensure that the U.K. leaves the EU Single Market & Customs Union.
81,192 signatures, now closed
RIP Plato / Phillippa.
He's managed to get tariff free FULL access to the Single market with no payments and no FOM. ( unless there's something lurking in the details)
Completely breaking the EU's sacred 4 freedoms, all by turning the Northern Ireland backstop into a massive trojan horse.
He's turned the 'we must have a backstop' into ok it'll mean the UK being inside the single market in the event of no agreed deal.
One day someone will notice the elegance of the maneuver.
https://twitter.com/scot_85/status/1062746332421652482
I understand that he checks to see if they want withdraw or have had a change of mind. As the regulations have (I believe) some fluidity, possibly on interview with the senders finds they were sent in at the behest of others, not their own volition, therefore he is excluding them from the total. As the PM is unable to force a VONC herself, he could rule she cannot do it by proxy.
There are numerous possibilities.
It could be he wishes to tell the PCP that his postman is on a sabbatical and will not be delivering mail to him until January.
https://twitter.com/jessbrammar/status/1062751773302161408