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Founder of ConHome, @montie backs the deal. https://t.co/3T70zwhIoA
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Founder of ConHome, @montie backs the deal. https://t.co/3T70zwhIoA
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For a bit.
Whips have told all MPs to not go on unnecessary journeys away from the UK
If the referendum showed us anything it is that the country is divided on how to calculate that metric. This makes your statement a meaningless platitude, at best.
https://twitter.com/kateemccann/status/1062402428291690496?s=21
Not sure how many MPs were waiting to hear Tim Montgomery's take before making their minds up, think we are too far gone for endorsements to count for much now. Will come down to how much Tories fear what happens next if the deal falls. Looks like only 15 or so non-Convservative votes for the deal, so the Tories are going to have to get all waverers and some declared rebels to find an excuse to end up voting for this.
Nothing would surprise me any more.
The offer to Remainers is that we keep some of the stuff we already have. To Leavers: we're definitively OUT.
https://twitter.com/xtophercook/status/1062696769694453760
You don’t know anything else for sure
So please don't give us all this "great idea badly implemented" communism-type bollocks.
People are pushing their agendas with no reflection on the actual facts. You would be saying the same thing no matter what was in the deal.
On a different topic, if of interest, an interesting piece as to why Arizon went blue. The basic upshot is that McSally wasn't a great candidate and the Democrats were organised. But I think the underlying tone is that Arizona may not be lost to the Republicans
https://ricochet.com/572300/5-reasons-why-sinema-won-arizona/
The proposal is for them to have a regulatory regime that they have no say over. That is completely undemocratic and makes them a vassal.
If MLAs were choosing to stay aligned with EU regulations and they could diverge following an election this would be reasonable. But they are losing all right to elect anyone to shape their laws.
Therefore, they currently have no say about owt anyway.
Cons, DUP don't want a GE.
https://twitter.com/HamCroque/status/1062699246493880320
The politics of all this could change very rapidly as each side ramps up for the vote. The implications of a failed vote, and what the government threatens, will probably be very significant in affecting the overall outcome.
The party I find the most interesting is Labour. At this stage we’ve got Thornberry and Starmer saying no to the deal because it doesn’t meet the impossible six tests. If that comes under scrutiny in the following weeks you wonder if the narrative might change: yes Labour are threatening to bring down the government over this, but for what? Aren’t they dramatically increasing the risk of no deal? Are they going to force the electorate to troop out in the cold for a January election? Etc etc.
I also said yesterday that if I were TMay I’d tell the ERG if I lose the vote it’ll be second referendum time if the government survives. She’s got nothing to lose and that might win over a few waverers.
I am wondering if we are going to get to a stage where Labour, or a chunk of Labour, abstains.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/14/dup-warns-may-over-brexit-deal-as-cabinet-prepares-for-showdown
https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1062699089639415810
It's the Tories that are in deep, deep trouble over Theresa May's betrayal. It's hard to see how they can possibly stay together.
Right now I'd say its about 80% likely we get a Corbyn government following a Con split and Con voters going on strike across the Shires...
We are potentially witnessing the end of the Conservative Party.
In addition, they also, very loudly, support union with Great Britain. Part and parcel of that deal is that the UK government decides some of their policies for them. This is especially the case when they refuse to compromise over reforming the assembly. In this case, the UK government is deciding for the good of avoiding a hard border that they follow EU regulations in some limited areas covering less than a quarter of their economy.
It's the same desire to be outraged and purists of the Brexit ultras and the forever Remainers.
https://labourlist.org/2018/11/are-there-40-labour-mps-ready-to-save-mays-brexit-deal/
In the future EU regulations would be determined with zero democratic input from NI voters. They'd elect no MEPs. They'd have no representation in the European Council. They would be a colony effectively.
I think you will be surprised...
How would you have voted, and why?
Everyone, on all sides of the house and all parts of the Brexit spectrum, has reason to be unhappy about this. Even so, there is a piquant irony in seeing committed Brexiteers complaining that if this is the deal, it’s worse than remaining a full member of the EU. Well, yes, that’s what some people suggested in the spring of 2016 too. Back then, however, life was all sunshine and roses and dreams were dreamt of gambolling with unicorns in the sweet-flowering meadows of cake-filled national liberation.
Oddly, it hasn’t quite worked out like that.
But on-topic, this line jumped out:
“My generation viewed Harleys as American fast, loud, muscle. We liked that stuff,” Gordon said. “[My students] view it as the tired old folks who screwed up America.”
I suspect you could say the same of the Conservative Party. May could perhaps win today's battle, but the war isn't going the right way for her.
Presumably a non-trivial proportion of the 17.4m which I suppose is enough.
I always found her to be a very intelligent, interesting and feisty poster who at one time was one of the most active on PB.com.Indeed some 5 years ago or thereabouts, she was voted Poster of the Year. Although seemingly not actively employed over recent years, it was clear that she had held senior positions in business, including telecoms iirc.
Hopefully the likes of OGH, TSE, SeanT even will include their own tributes. After all, the success of PB.com was for a number of years due in no small part down to her participation on this site.
However, the timetable for a GE would be horrible. I reckon it'd look something like:
Today: cabinet signs of text of deal.
25 Nov: EU summit signs off deal.
27 Nov: HoC votes down deal.
29 Nov: HoC passes VoNC in govt.
13 Dec: Two-week period lapses; no new govt. Proclamation of election delayed until new Year. Merry Christmas.
Early Jan: parliament dissolved
31 Jan: General election
But I'm a 2nd vote man.
http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/crude-oil/6-month/
To LAB? There’s still a lot of fear of Uncle Jez.
To LD? Perhaps the remainian rump might, I guess, but I can’t see hordes moving that way,
To UKIP? In their current state?!
They’re currently tied or just ahead in the polls. I’m not in any doubt that they could have a bad election but suggesting absolute decimation is a bit hyperbolic at this stage.
Immigration is believed to have put house prices up by 21% in the last 25 years. Sure.
Except that house prices have actually increased by 320% in this period. So immigration is a minor factor.
And looking into the future: "In 2008, Professor Stephen Nickell, then-head of the NHPAU, said that with projected housebuilding and immigration rates, the average house price would rise from 7 times the average income, to 10 times the average income over the period 2006 to 2026. However, if net migration was reduced to zero, the average house price would only increase to nine times the average income over the same period."
Well, that's ok then. If a house is only nine times the average income, I'll buy two.
https://fullfact.org/immigration/have-house-prices-risen-because-immigrants/
Check the graph on the right - real house prices peaked in 2007. We seem to be in a period now of nominal increase but adjusted for inflation decline.
Interesting about a second vote, I really don't think it would be won easily if at all by Remain. Brits can be stubborn at times and I believe that would be one of those times. If they had nothing to lose and hence voted Leave the first time, I don't see how they would all of a sudden (two years later) have something now to lose and side with the global elite this time.
But that's another discussion...
Interesting example of the nonsense around my way. This from my road:
https://tinyurl.com/yb8kbj7f
Originally listed at £635,000. Now down to £574,950.