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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Glad someone at the BBC noticed how different their Wales Lab-> Con swing is to the English one.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Garza said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Danny565 said:

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    Sheffield Hallam looking closer than 2015.

    I kinda hope that Nick holds on. Although I disagree with him on Brexit (and a number of other issues), I think he's a decent man.
    In 2010, he had a lot of guts to do what he did when the nation's finances were in a mess. I think history will be kind to Clegg.
    He did indeed
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    What is up with these potential Scottish swings - I know tactical voting, but were the voters there really surprised by their own decision 2 years ago or something?
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    You have to hand it to ITV.

    Getting Ozzy and Balls on is a coup.

    Those two guys are completely wasted outside the Commons.

    A government with Ozzy as PM and Balls as Cote, or vice versa, would be absolutely solid.

    During the State opening of parliament a few years ago, the two were chatting and laughing, as they walked through parliament, as thick as thieves. I got the impression they liked each other.
    Yes, they are friends. Ozzy is a gent – he offered to look after Balls' son in the Radio Five green room in the full knowledge that Balls was about to go on the radio and slag off his policies. Good for him.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819

    Hearing that Clegg has lost in Hallam (well-placed LD reliable source)

    He seemed pretty happy on ITV earlier. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but he didn't give the impression of having lost
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    No chance con maj 12% in Wrexham, where are they getting these figures from????!
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    AndyJS said:

    Thrasher: SNP range from 21 to 49.

    I give up!
    Extraordinary lack of confidence in their exit poll!
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    If May is still PM tomorrow she will be there thanks to Davidson.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    tlg86 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    Also remember Exit isn't forecasting any Con losses to LD.

    There has to be downside there.

    It is not forecasting any gains either , even C and W and Southport
    I think the LDs will end up with two London seats. One of those will be Twickenham, I suspect. (But hope not.)
    Surely the LDs have done better in SW London if the Exit Poll is right?
    I wonder if any poster tipped the LDs in St Ives?
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,369
    edited June 2017

    LOL if that happens what the fuck is this exit poll?
    I'm a bit sceptical too, as my posts will have shown, but I wasn't in the area where I gather there was a huge youth surge. We were told by a senior Tory councillor that Anaa Soubry was so sure it was in the bag that she spent polling day outside the constituency (in Ashfield).

    I think Broxtowe was the most extreme gain on the exit poll prediction.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    Alistair said:

    What the hell. The seat by seat predictions say SNP lose 11 seats. Where are the other 11 losses?

    Where are you looking?
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited June 2017

    Question - what do people think of the Lib Dems? They were predicted to be nearly wiped out. Not on this exit poll. What is happening here?

    Curtice appears to have picked up on what every pollster missed, shy Lib Dems?
    Pollsters weighting the Lib Dems down where perhaps they should have weighted them up as in pre 2015 elections ?
    Could be Mr Senior, but that’s your forte, I rarely analyse the minutiae. :lol:
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    MaxPB said:

    Y0kel said:

    MaxPB said:

    Three Tory winners tonight. Ruth Davidson, David Cameron, & George Osborne

    An unmitigated disaster for the Tories that none of them are MPs

    Yes, please tell George to give up the other shit and come and save the party.
    You think the public will vote for Osborne?
    Can't be any worse than May.
    That isn't a good enough reason.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,393
    GIN1138 said:

    Jonathan said:

    The North-East were heavily leave and, if I remember right, leant more heavily to the Tories than the nation in 2015.

    Yes. These early seats don't mean anything really...
    I think that is overstating it but they are too similar to make generalisations about them. Safe Labour seats in the north east. We need more variety.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    If May is still PM tomorrow she will be there thanks to Davidson.

    And Wales.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167
    edited June 2017
    Tories forecast to gain Leave Clwyd South from Labour
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    BBC exit poll suggesting a stonking swing to the Tories in Wales.

    Curiouser and curiouser.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    Exit: Con win

    Wrexham by 12
    Delyn by 9
    Alyn & Deeside by 9
    Clwyd South by 9
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Garza said:

    rcs1000 said:

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    Sheffield Hallam looking closer than 2015.

    I kinda hope that Nick holds on. Although I disagree with him on Brexit (and a number of other issues), I think he's a decent man.
    In 2010, he had a lot of guts to do what he did when the nation's finances were in a mess. I think history will be kind to Clegg.
    I hope so. He made mistakes, but he deserves better than to lose on a night LDs otherwise recover from the beating they got for what I think was a brave and tough decision to go into coalition.
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    LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    I don't know why people are assuming that if George Osborne stayed in politics, he would have become Tory Leader. As a life-long tory voter, I would never vote for this snake in the grass and I know many others who wouldn't as well.

    I'm convinced Theresa May never wanted this election. Why is it their aides and personal advisors have so much power?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    bunnco said:

    Friends at Norwich South count tell me Greens and LibDems to lose deposit. Looks like their votes passported straight to Labour's Lewis.

    Yeah massively squeezed.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Miserable Welsh bastards....
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,977

    SeanT said:

    Surely the Tories would not choose Boris. He is actively harmful to UK interests.

    He'd go for Soft Brexit. Which you and I both want.

    I doubt it. Hammond would, though.

    How do the tories get hard brexit through at all? May explicitly went to the country asking for a free hand for her version of hard brexit, and it has been rejected. The people want brexit, that much is clear. But do they really want a hard brexit?

    The Tories will have a decent majority.

    Labour well set for 2022, though.

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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,920
    Richmond Park - LD
    Ynys Mon - Lab
    Gower - Lab

    Are my three biggest constituency bets.
    Can someone smarter than me confirm the exit poll is good news for me here?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,822
    Garza said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Danny565 said:

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    Sheffield Hallam looking closer than 2015.

    I kinda hope that Nick holds on. Although I disagree with him on Brexit (and a number of other issues), I think he's a decent man.
    In 2010, he had a lot of guts to do what he did when the nation's finances were in a mess. I think history will be kind to Clegg.
    Next leader if Farron gets turfed out ?
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    I think the exit poll is wrong, based on currency markets. I bought the pound tonight just after the big drop following the Exit Poll, hopefully at the bottom of the market and have now moved my stop loss to break even and am currently in a tidy profit.

    I could be wrong, but I won't lose money :)

    I love the way people are talking about Theresa May running a disastrous campaign. She didn't, she ran a different campaign, one perhaps for the 21st century. Using big data and focusing on key seats; putting forward a manifesto that would appear to have hit her key supporters rather than pandering to them with bribes.

    Yes, it was pretty poorly explained but does anyone think we don't have a problem with social care funding.

    Yes, she could have really gone after the Labour manifesto and the Labour front bench but how many "nasty party" headlines would that have produced.

    Yes, she isn't as relaxed as David Cameron at dealing with public speaking engagements.

    But, and it is a big but at this time of night, if the Conservatives do win a majority it gives her a real mandate - and the trouble for real Labour supporters (and not the SWP wing that seems to have taken over their party), whatever the result now, it doesn't resolve the Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott problem.

    No, I don't think the game is up just yet. But if, at the end of the night, it is not a Conservative government then I think the country, to use a technical term, is well and truly fucked.

    Time for more alcohol :)
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Surely the Tories would not choose Boris. He is actively harmful to UK interests.

    He'd go for Soft Brexit. Which you and I both want.

    I doubt it. Hammond would, though.

    I know Boris. He's pro Single Market and pro FoM. He'd take Soft Brexit tomorrow.
    Well he is an official leaver so he may be able to get away with it more than a remainer politician like May. If the tories do hold on, i'll be hoping for Boris (something I never expected to say).
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Tories are outperforming my model by 2.5% so far....
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    nunu said:

    For those interested I'm hearing positive things about turnout in FST. Trying not to read too much into it.

    Can DUP win, May might need them. (sorry I don't know anything about N.Ireland politics).
    Not likely, as the SUP aren't standing in FST!

    Stood aside for the UUP again.
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Anna soubry in big trouble.

    Alec diamond to get beat in Gordon.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    If the LDs have double figures then surely Cambridge has turned orange ?
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    This exit poll feels like shit. No bets looking like value though.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    MikeL said:

    Exit: Con win

    Wrexham by 12
    Delyn by 9
    Alyn & Deeside by 9
    Clwyd South by 9

    Those figures seem a bit exaggerated on first glance.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,167
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    Labour confident in Remain Croydon Central held by Tory Gavin Barwell
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    JohnO said:

    JackW said:

    Where are the patriarchs Jack W and John O with their 100 seat majority predictions?!

    ;-)

    We haven't gone away you know ....

    I can't deny I'm amazed. Looks like my source who thought a Con Maj of 30 was likely was in the ball park. And that source was a LibDem !!
    Gobsmacked. Looks as if I've got this completely wrong even if the exit poll is understating the Tory vote.
    I will keep saying this all night; sorry - CCHQ have never wavered from 350-360 seats. 20 points lead was froth.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Is this night going to feel like a repeat of 2004 US election exit poll disaster?

    At what point do the experts "rip it up"?
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    Garza said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Danny565 said:

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    Sheffield Hallam looking closer than 2015.

    I kinda hope that Nick holds on. Although I disagree with him on Brexit (and a number of other issues), I think he's a decent man.
    In 2010, he had a lot of guts to do what he did when the nation's finances were in a mess. I think history will be kind to Clegg.
    Unfortunately, History isn't worth the paper it is written on....
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    Hearing that Clegg has lost in Hallam (well-placed LD reliable source)

    He seemed pretty happy on ITV earlier. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but he didn't give the impression of having lost
    His period of purgatory the last 2 years might be over, or he's just good on TV.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    Labour quietly confident in Croydon Central.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I don't think there's ever been an election where only 2 results have been declared by 11:40pm.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Surely the Tories would not choose Boris. He is actively harmful to UK interests.

    He'd go for Soft Brexit. Which you and I both want.

    I doubt it. Hammond would, though.

    I know Boris. He's pro Single Market and pro FoM. He'd take Soft Brexit tomorrow.
    Yep.
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    If May resigns as leader, what does that do to any potential coalition negotiations?
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Lol Croydon central is no 1 labour target!
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    Nigelb said:

    Garza said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Danny565 said:

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    Sheffield Hallam looking closer than 2015.

    I kinda hope that Nick holds on. Although I disagree with him on Brexit (and a number of other issues), I think he's a decent man.
    In 2010, he had a lot of guts to do what he did when the nation's finances were in a mess. I think history will be kind to Clegg.
    Next leader if Farron gets turfed out ?
    Hopefully, there would be two new votes for him in my household (of two voters).
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Chameleon said:

    LDs look like they have made net gains, if they are under 10 I make a decent profit, them under 8 & Tory majority of 50 then I'd be very happy.

    All their (net) gains will be in Scotland.

    I wonder if they'll gain any English seats at all. (I suspect they'll pick up Twickenham, sadly.)
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Mortimer said:

    Tories are outperforming my model by 2.5% so far....

    In two unimportant seats. Let's see what the marginals come out as.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    tlg86 said:

    Alistair said:

    What the hell. The seat by seat predictions say SNP lose 11 seats. Where are the other 11 losses?

    Where are you looking?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40104373
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Gordon !
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Bye bye UNS
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    Shy Cornistas? Yougov Model Vindicated?
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,920

    I don't know why people are assuming that if George Osborne stayed in politics, he would have become Tory Leader. As a life-long tory voter, I would never vote for this snake in the grass and I know many others who wouldn't as well.

    I'm convinced Theresa May never wanted this election. Why is it their aides and personal advisors have so much power?

    He'd be a front runner now certainly.

    And the idea that TM didn't really want this election is for the birds. How weak do you have to be to let your aides decide to call a snap election!?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Mr. Rog, I agree. The far left has been seriously strengthened, if the exit poll is right.

    Who is Clegg under threat from? Labour, presumably?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    I certainly hope so - one of my sons voted Jezza - kicking shit out of him now :-)

    Only joking - he is an adult and can vote for who he likes
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    JohnO said:

    JackW said:

    Where are the patriarchs Jack W and John O with their 100 seat majority predictions?!

    ;-)

    We haven't gone away you know ....

    I can't deny I'm amazed. Looks like my source who thought a Con Maj of 30 was likely was in the ball park. And that source was a LibDem !!
    Gobsmacked. Looks as if I've got this completely wrong even if the exit poll is understating the Tory vote.
    I will keep saying this all night; sorry - CCHQ have never wavered from 350-360 seats. 20 points lead was froth.
    But 314 is a shock to most...not Survation or YouGov.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Tories look hopeful in Gordon!
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,316
    edited June 2017
    Laura confused re Croydon Central

    She thinks Lab target number 40 - no it's not!!!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659
    Journalists pointing out quite rightly that she had very similar texts from LD command back in GE2015 at this time of the night, and we know how accurate that exit poll turned out to be.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,270
    STV reporter saying though Edinburgh North & Leith an easy win for SLab on exit poll swing, ballot count samples slightly favouring SNP, but early days.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,141

    I think the exit poll is wrong, based on currency markets.

    I'm afraid the financial markets were not a good guide to the Brexit result.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819

    SeanT said:

    Surely the Tories would not choose Boris. He is actively harmful to UK interests.

    He'd go for Soft Brexit. Which you and I both want.

    I doubt it. Hammond would, though.

    How do the tories get hard brexit through at all? May explicitly went to the country asking for a free hand for her version of hard brexit, and it has been rejected. The people want brexit, that much is clear. But do they really want a hard brexit?

    The Tories will have a decent majority.

    Labour well set for 2022, though.

    Hmm. A majority, certainly possible, exit poll so far looking a bit iffy. But I don't see it being more than her current majority. Tories are shy but they aren't THAT shy.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Young people voting. Good for democracy if true.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Mortimer said:

    Tories are outperforming my model by 2.5% so far....

    You were predicting a Tory majority of 80+ as I recall...
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    YouGov had Broxtowe as a toss-up, with Labour a whisker ahead.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    AndyJS said:

    If May is still PM tomorrow she will be there thanks to Davidson.

    And Wales.
    She truly will be the Union PM!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    AndyJS said:

    I don't think there's ever been an election where only 2 results have been declared by 11:40pm.

    Turnout over 70%?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,427
    Chameleon said:

    This exit poll feels like shit. No bets looking like value though.

    :+1:
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    nunu said:

    Tories look hopeful in Gordon!

    Oh baby!
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    HYUFD said:

    Labour confident in Remain Croydon Central held by Tory Gavin Barwell

    Con increased majority.
    rkrkrk said:

    Richmond Park - LD
    Ynys Mon - Lab
    Gower - Lab

    Are my three biggest constituency bets.
    Can someone smarter than me confirm the exit poll is good news for me here?

    Unlikely, don't know, unlikely according to exit poll.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    Priti on the Beeb.
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    FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299
    Priti!!!!!!!!!!
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    ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    Can't help remembering all the 'authoritative' Lab columns this week with, they claimed, A1 info, who were expecting something close to an ELE for Labour.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    So far I make it 1-1 Con vs Lab in nabbing Kipper votes
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    LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    Nothing can change the fact that we voted Leave in the referendum and if this is overturned in any way, then god help this country. Nigel Farage will be aeck leading UKIP, he has said as much.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,393
    ITV are claiming 3 results. WTF?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    The exit poll is wrong. 18-24 year olds DO NOT VOTE, remember.
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    It's always about the swing
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956

    Mortimer said:

    Tories are outperforming my model by 2.5% so far....

    You were predicting a Tory majority of 80+ as I recall...
    104.
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    Who is this silly lady on BBC saying that Croydon Central 40th on Labour targets??? Tories have a majority of 165.

    Absolute bollocks.

    Frankly if they DON'T win there then the Tories are winning 100+ majority. Which they aren't, so it's not really telling us all that much.
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956

    Young people voting. Good for democracy if true.

    Hopefully they vote for someone better than Corbyn next time.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    kle4 said:

    What is up with these potential Scottish swings - I know tactical voting, but were the voters there really surprised by their own decision 2 years ago or something?

    I think it's more than the SNP won a bunch of seats on 37-40% last time. If they're on 35% this time, and the unionist opposition solidifies, then they will lose many seats. (See Holyrood 2016. Particulatly, Edinburgh Western, Fife NE and Edinburgh South)
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    William_HWilliam_H Posts: 346

    If May resigns as leader, what does that do to any potential coalition negotiations?

    Screws them up most thoroughly.

    We really should have our leaders be less prone to resign after elections and other key moments. With democratic leader elections stopping a rapid coronation this just causes added chaos.

    (Though I'd love to see her go)
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    isam said:

    So far I make it 1-1 Con vs Lab in nabbing Kipper votes

    Careful. There is churn.
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    If Salmond is going to lose Gordon, who does he lose it to? (Genuine question.)
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,453
    Chameleon said:

    This exit poll feels like shit. No bets looking like value though.

    Buy £/$
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,270
    Jackie Baillie bigging up Jeremy Corbyn now.
    Vom.

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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,883
    Not looking forward to Home Secretary Patel
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    Priti wearing the calibre of necklace beloved by female Tory prime ministers.....
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    tlg86 said:

    AndyJS said:

    I don't think there's ever been an election where only 2 results have been declared by 11:40pm.

    Turnout over 70%?
    I said there would be a high turnout.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819

    Shy Cornistas? Yougov Model Vindicated?

    Not shy. Artificially depressed - pollsters overcompensated and down weighted the youth vote (my hunch anyway)
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    If Edinburgh East goes Labour I will purchase and consume an edible hat.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    Tories are outperforming my model by 2.5% so far....

    In two unimportant seats. Let's see what the marginals come out as.
    Good point sir.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    dazza said:

    My SwingModel had this prediction for Houghton & Sunderland South. CON 12333 LAB 24038. Actual result: CON: 12324, LAB: 24665.

    The SwingModel just assumed there would be a migration from UKIP to CON, and, a youth surge for LAB. So I am encouraged by this result. Overall result of the Swing Model: CON 342, LAB 226. Add +-10. Either way, suggests CON still on course for a majority from 14 to 52. SwingModel National percentage vote prediction: LAB 36%, CON 43%.

    Hold on in there Mrs May!

    Fascinating stuff!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    JohnO said:

    JackW said:

    Where are the patriarchs Jack W and John O with their 100 seat majority predictions?!

    ;-)

    We haven't gone away you know ....

    I can't deny I'm amazed. Looks like my source who thought a Con Maj of 30 was likely was in the ball park. And that source was a LibDem !!
    Gobsmacked. Looks as if I've got this completely wrong even if the exit poll is understating the Tory vote.
    I will keep saying this all night; sorry - CCHQ have never wavered from 350-360 seats. 20 points lead was froth.
    But 314 is a shock to most...not Survation or YouGov.
    YouGov can go to hell - they had a model to cover one outcome, and a final poll to cover the other.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    What is up with these potential Scottish swings - I know tactical voting, but were the voters there really surprised by their own decision 2 years ago or something?

    I think it's more than the SNP won a bunch of seats on 37-40% last time. If they're on 35% this time, and the unionist opposition solidifies, then they will lose many seats. (See Holyrood 2016. Particulatly, Edinburgh Western, Fife NE and Edinburgh South)
    Does the poll only assume UNS? Tactical voting could eliminate even more SNP seats.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,393

    If Salmond is going to lose Gordon, who does he lose it to? (Genuine question.)

    Ruth
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    edited June 2017
    ...sorry, misread...
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    edited June 2017
    Memory lane time.

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,659
    Owen Jones looking 10 years old and sounding like a massive twat, as usual.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Both Amber Rudd and Alex Salmond lose their fathers and their seats in 2 weeks? Probably wouldn't remember the period particularly fondly.
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    MaxPB said:

    Y0kel said:

    MaxPB said:

    Three Tory winners tonight. Ruth Davidson, David Cameron, & George Osborne

    An unmitigated disaster for the Tories that none of them are MPs

    Yes, please tell George to give up the other shit and come and save the party.
    You think the public will vote for Osborne?
    Can't be any worse than May.
    Cameron and Osborne were a team that worked. I don't think Osborne by himself would be successful. Rudd really needs to hold on. Her and Hammond are probably the best bet for the Tories. However, the Brexit fissure in the party might make proper governing impossible.
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