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  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Nothing can change the fact that we voted Leave in the referendum and if this is overturned in any way, then god help this country. Nigel Farage will be aeck leading UKIP, he has said as much.

    Fear not, Lab backed Brexit, and Corbyn is more a Leaver than May ever was.

    But it will be a workers Brexit rather than a bosses Brexit.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    MaxPB said:

    Mortimer said:

    Tories are outperforming my model by 2.5% so far....

    In two unimportant seats. Let's see what the marginals come out as.
    Quite. All in here where the swings are.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683

    Journalists pointing out quite rightly that she had very similar texts from LD command back in GE2015 at this time of the night, and we know how accurate that exit poll turned out to be.

    Yes but early results then showed LD vote well down, early results tonight do not show Tory vote well down but up, just Labour vote also up
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Tories are outperforming my model by 2.5% so far....

    You were predicting a Tory majority of 80+ as I recall...
    104.
    Well we are both wrong (I was 98). Have a glass on me sir. I'm just about to rack up a bourbon.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Swindon north coming. This is a massive signpost.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Shy Cornistas? Yougov Model Vindicated?

    Corbynistas are not shy!
  • GarzaGarza Posts: 45
    nunu said:

    For those interested I'm hearing positive things about turnout in FST. Trying not to read too much into it.

    Can DUP win, May might need them. (sorry I don't know anything about N.Ireland politics).
    The DUP are not running in FST, instead they are backing their unionist rival - the UUP so that they will beat Sinn Fein. Its the only way a unionist politician can win that seat now.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GrantTucker: Astonishing. A text from a Welsh Conservative source: "We've lost Gower."
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,727
    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,984

    SeanT said:

    Amber Rudd losing in Hastings?

    Boris or Hammond it is.

    I'd feel sorry for her. Theresa May's human shield and she paid with her political career.
    Shades of Chris Patten ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    edited June 2017
    Freggles said:

    Memory lane time.

    image

    image

    :lol::trollface::lol::trollface::lol::trollface::lol::trollface::lol::trollface::lol::trollface:

    Haha indeed. I said I hoped that first one would lose the Tories some votes.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,257
    Has to be said, if Amber Rudd loses her seat, not a great time to lose a Home Secretary with two major ISIS outrages having just happened.

    Non-alcoholic champagne corks popping in Raqqa....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,144
    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    Hmmmm :p
  • Y0kel said:

    For those interested I'm hearing positive things about turnout in FST. Trying not to read too much into it.

    Who is that gonna suit though? The pollsters reckon its really the only unionist/nationalist seat in play.
    I'm being told positive things about various boxes and how full they are.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    Scott_P said:

    @GrantTucker: Astonishing. A text from a Welsh Conservative source: "We've lost Gower."

    First big loss. Hoping Ynys Mons can pay for it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,253
    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    I don't think so.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Priti Patel and Mishal Husain? I'll be shallow for a moment.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sunderland Central:

    Lab +4k
    Con +5k

    Swing to Tories.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    Sunderland Central
    Lab 25056
    Green 705
    LD 1777
    UKIP 2209
    Conservative 15059

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 2m2 minutes ago
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    Welsh Tory source reckons they've lost Gower and Vale of Clwyd.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348
    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    Nah, she's fatally damaged.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    Y0kel said:

    For those interested I'm hearing positive things about turnout in FST. Trying not to read too much into it.

    Who is that gonna suit though? The pollsters reckon its really the only unionist/nationalist seat in play.
    I'm being told positive things about various boxes and how full they are.
    So the polling stations in Garrison closed properly at 10 then....
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Swing to Tories on Central too?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,283
    Greens down too.
  • dazzadazza Posts: 28

    dazza said:

    My SwingModel had this prediction for Houghton & Sunderland South. CON 12333 LAB 24038. Actual result: CON: 12324, LAB: 24665.

    The SwingModel just assumed there would be a migration from UKIP to CON, and, a youth surge for LAB. So I am encouraged by this result. Overall result of the Swing Model: CON 342, LAB 226. Add +-10. Either way, suggests CON still on course for a majority from 14 to 52. SwingModel National percentage vote prediction: LAB 36%, CON 43%.

    Hold on in there Mrs May!

    Fascinating stuff!
    My prediction for Sunderland Central: CON 14783 LAB 23905 . Actual: CON: 15000, LAB: 25056. Okay, out by 1000 there.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Small swing to Con in Sunderland Central

    I think Con +5,000 Lab +4,000
  • another stonking Tory result in Sunderland
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited June 2017
    That Sundrland Central is better for Con than Lab I think

    What I am doing is calling
    (Con increase/UKIP loss) A
    (Lab Increase/UKIP loss) B

    Then A/B

    Worthwhile?

    1 is par, over is good for Con under is good for Lab

    So far
    Houghton 1.51
    Newcastle 0.53
    Sunderland Central 1.29
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Lab +5%
    Con +10%
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    Lib Dems on 1,777 in Sunderland Central?

    How does that stack up with 15 seats nationally?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    edited June 2017
    Sunderland Central
    Lab up 5
    Tories up 10
    2.3% swing from Labour to Tories
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Swing 1.4% after 3 seats

    Con +9.1
    Lab +6.3
    LD +0.1
    UKIP -13.8
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Another one, in the words of DJ Khaled. This exit poll....
  • llefllef Posts: 301
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    @GrantTucker: Astonishing. A text from a Welsh Conservative source: "We've lost Gower."

    First big loss. Hoping Ynys Mons can pay for it.
    alienating english retirees to the gower by axing their winter fuel allowance was probably unwise..
  • FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299
    game on
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    Another swing to the tories
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,951

    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    Nah, she's fatally damaged.
    Yep. MPs will be looking at this campaign, and be wondering how she'll f'up the next one.

    She's a goner, either immediately, or before the next GE.
  • midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112
    kle4 said:

    Priti Patel and Mishal Husain? I'll be shallow for a moment.

    What a glorious thought.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    The poll is looking bad, but lets wait for Swindon North. If swindon north has an increased majority, pile on Con 50-74.
  • JennyFreemanJennyFreeman Posts: 488

    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    Nah, she's fatally damaged.
    Let's see
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Sunderland central would have netted me a nice £75 if the Tories had unexpectedly pinched it. :(

    LDs really getting squeezed, is that right?
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    a third seat showing a swing to con of 2.3%. exit poll looking shaky so far, but not massively out of line - 2015 mk.2 on the cards...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,253
    Sunderland Central better, but still NE.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited June 2017

    Another one, in the words of DJ Khaled. This exit poll....

    However, the exit poll seems to have overestimated the Tories heavily in Wales.

    Had them holding Gower and Vale of Clwyd comfortably, but they've gone apparently
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Has to be said, if Amber Rudd loses her seat, not a great time to lose a Home Secretary with two major ISIS outrages having just happened.

    Non-alcoholic champagne corks popping in Raqqa....

    There will be a lot of young boys and a few goats looking very worried right now.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,770
    This exit poll is not just wrong, it is massively wrong.
  • BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    edited June 2017
    Sunderland central has been updated on my spreadsheet good for Conservatives.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XzHr6kGmnaPqF_kzjODs0rUGOAvTE3F71rJ119yRvak/edit#gid=0
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,283
    kle4 said:

    Sunderland central would have netted me a nice £75 if the Tories had unexpectedly pinched it. :(

    LDs really getting squeezed, is that right?

    Their vote went up.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Exit poll is rubbish ☺
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    edited June 2017
    SeanT said:

    Is this the worst exit poll in history?

    Wait for marginals. Let us not forget that some places swung to Labour last time, but that wasn't what happened in the key areas.
  • chrisbchrisb Posts: 115
    SeanT said:

    Is this the worst exit poll in history?

    Not even close
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,257
    Labour: huge swing to Cons in postal votes outside London -BBC
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,283

    a third seat showing a swing to con of 2.3%. exit poll looking shaky so far, but not massively out of line - 2015 mk.2 on the cards...

    Can anyone remember how the exit poll did in these seats last time?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    edited June 2017
    Kellner now saying Labour informing him a big swing to Tories amongst postal voters outside London which exit polls would have missed
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    Is this the worst exit poll in history?

    Possibly. It's getting harder and harder to get a representative sample of voters these days.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348
    SeanT said:

    Is this the worst exit poll in history?

    Nah, the 1987 exit poll predicted a hung parliament, Mrs Thatcher in reality won a majority of 100
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Why are first 3 decs all from top right corner of the country?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,894
    kle4 said:

    Sunderland central would have netted me a nice £75 if the Tories had unexpectedly pinched it. :(

    LDs really getting squeezed, is that right?

    Yes.

    But does this mean that there is a return of anti-Tory tactical voting?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,107
    Postal votes may help conservatives outside london
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,384
    Priti being interviewed by Mishal. It doesn't get much better than that.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,528
    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    She is entitled to, yes. Tell the rest of the Tory Party!
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Danny565 said:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 2m2 minutes ago
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    Welsh Tory source reckons they've lost Gower and Vale of Clwyd.

    No NE Wales Tory sweep if they've lost Vale of Clywd
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    Yes definitely - although her brexit position will not be strong.

    But what if she just falls short?
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    Kellner says it's possible the Tories have got 360.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    If Salmond is going to lose Gordon, who does he lose it to? (Genuine question.)

    Ruth
    Exit poll say LDs
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    Sunderland Central UKIP has broken 2:1 to cons. Newcastle the other way around. So yeah nobody knows anything.
  • EDW20000EDW20000 Posts: 138
    nailed on Con OM now.
  • houndtanghoundtang Posts: 450
    Tories doing welll in North, Labour doing well in Sotuh???
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Huge!!!!!!! Kelner says exit poll may be missing postal swing to tories...
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Caution: we've only had results from the NE, which supposedly sound heavily for Con relative to the rest of the country.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Danny565 said:

    Another one, in the words of DJ Khaled. This exit poll....

    However, the exit poll seems to have overestimated the Tories heavily in Wales.
    Yep. Found it odd that it showed them doing so well in Wales, I expected them to do not so well there. Looking like that may be correct.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,951

    You have to hand it to ITV.

    Getting Ozzy and Balls on is a coup.

    Those two guys are completely wasted outside the Commons.

    A government with Ozzy as PM and Balls as Cote, or vice versa, would be absolutely solid.

    During the State opening of parliament a few years ago, the two were chatting and laughing, as they walked through parliament, as thick as thieves. I got the impression they liked each other.
    Yes, they are friends. Ozzy is a gent – he offered to look after Balls' son in the Radio Five green room in the full knowledge that Balls was about to go on the radio and slag off his policies. Good for him.
    Good on them both. There should be more of that in politics: I disagree with the policies, but (s)he's a good person. Instead in the eyes of supporters it becomes: "They're evil!"

    Though in a few cases, such as Burnham and Leadsom, the latter reaction may be valid. ;)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830

    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    Nah, she's fatally damaged.
    Let's see
    If the exit poll is massively wrong and she gets what she expected, the morning papers will look like a bunch of wallys.
  • chloechloe Posts: 308
    Things still seem very uncertain
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    What the fuck is going on? Postal votes?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,894
    SeanT said:

    Is this the worst exit poll in history?

    We don't know because all three seats are within a few miles of each other.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,993
    I said I wasn't going to stay up late for this election as I'm up early in the morning. Hard to go to bed at the moment though.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,253
    Danny565 said:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 2m2 minutes ago
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    Welsh Tory source reckons they've lost Gower and Vale of Clwyd.

    Shit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    3 seats now in have a Labour to Tory swing, all Leave, 1 a swing to Labour in a Remain seat
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,984
    Newcastle effect - strong UKIP/Brexit to Con swing - might be echoed (to a lesser extent) in West Yorkshire ?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,283
    houndtang said:

    Tories doing welll in North, Labour doing well in Sotuh???

    Tories doing better in leave areas?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    tlg86 said:

    kle4 said:

    Sunderland central would have netted me a nice £75 if the Tories had unexpectedly pinched it. :(

    LDs really getting squeezed, is that right?

    Their vote went up.
    I had the sound off - thanks for confirming
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,727

    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    Nah, she's fatally damaged.
    It would seem strange to dump someone, if she's won an election (obviously different if she loses her majority).
  • GarzaGarza Posts: 45
    If those North East swings transfer to Yorkshire and the West Midlands..... can't rule out a majority of 50.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185

    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    Nah, she's fatally damaged.
    Yep. MPs will be looking at this campaign, and be wondering how she'll f'up the next one.

    She's a goner, either immediately, or before the next GE.
    If she does get a majority, then she is gone before the next GE yes but I don't think she ever planned on standing in more than one.
    It's about getting that Tory front bench looking fuller for me, and the Labour one. They are both thin currently, which is not good for us all politically.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    This exit poll is not just wrong, it is massively wrong.

    Southam, I have never wanted you to be right more than now.

  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Swindon North declared for Con according to ITV.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,283
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Is this the worst exit poll in history?

    We don't know because all three seats are within a few miles of each other.
    Didn't stop them predicting Brexit.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,854

    Danny565 said:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 2m2 minutes ago
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    Welsh Tory source reckons they've lost Gower and Vale of Clwyd.

    Shit.
    The exit poll is supposed to be better for the Tories in Wales?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,144

    Sunderland central has been updated on my spreadsheet good for Conservatives.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XzHr6kGmnaPqF_kzjODs0rUGOAvTE3F71rJ119yRvak/edit#gid=0

    Do you keep track of the running swing for 2017?
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    john curtice could be damaged tonight
  • OliverOliver Posts: 33
    Looks like either Curtice or May will have a career in shreds tomorrow :smile:
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    Huge!!!!!!! Kelner says exit poll may be missing postal swing to tories...

    BUT if Hastings going red that who knows what is happening.

    I think we will get very weird results in different areas because of the Brexit effect.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited June 2017

    Labour: huge swing to Cons in postal votes outside London -BBC

    My mum voted Conservative (postal vote) this week, so she'd be one of those. We're in Watford.
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    SeanT said:

    Is this the worst exit poll in history?

    Dunno. Tories picking up Ukip votes where it doesn't matter? Dunno.

    I would expect Labour to do well (relatively) in the South and not so well (relatively) in the North. And very well in London.

    But it's just too early to say, as we have only had results from the Newcastle area.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2017

    SeanT said:

    Is this the worst exit poll in history?

    Nah, the 1987 exit poll predicted a hung parliament, Mrs Thatcher in reality won a majority of 100
    It didn't, it predicted a Tory majority of 26. The BBC one that is.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Garza said:

    If those North East swings transfer to Yorkshire and the West Midlands..... can't rule out a majority of 50.

    Not when Amber Rudd is a goner and Swindon and Croydon Central and Gower and Vale of Clywd
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,144
    Chameleon said:

    Swindon North declared for Con according to ITV.

    OK. If it had gone Lab that would have been disastrous.
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