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  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    GeoffM said:

    Has to be said, if Amber Rudd loses her seat, not a great time to lose a Home Secretary with two major ISIS outrages having just happened.

    Non-alcoholic champagne corks popping in Raqqa....

    There will be a lot of young boys and a few goats looking very worried right now.
    Beer on keyboard - bastard!!
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Wouldn't be surprised if we end up with Con + 7% ..... and polls were average 7.5% after all.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Chameleon said:

    Swindon North declared for Con according to ITV.

    Safe Tory seat, wait to see shares
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,993
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    Nah, she's fatally damaged.
    It would seem strange to dump someone, if she's won an election (obviously different if she loses her majority).
    At the moment I'd predict the biggest Tory majority for 30 years!
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Going to bed. Should I set my alarm for 4:30?
  • DM_Andy said:

    Why don't we do exit polls the way that the French do?

    The estimate given at 8pm in France is not an exit-poll, it includes actual results
    But the system is totally different: all polling stations close at 7 pm and counting is much faster as it is done in each polling station (in most small places counting is done in less than an hour).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,894
    Alistair said:

    DavidL said:

    If Salmond is going to lose Gordon, who does he lose it to? (Genuine question.)

    Ruth
    Exit poll say LDs
    Unlikely.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    edited June 2017
    SeanT said:

    Is this the worst exit poll in history?

    In 1987 the BBC exit poll forecast Thatcher would get a majority of just 26, Thatcher ended up with a landslide majority of 102
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,283
    Freggles said:

    Huge!!!!!!! Kelner says exit poll may be missing postal swing to tories...

    BUT if Hastings going red that who knows what is happening.

    I think we will get very weird results in different areas because of the Brexit effect.
    Possibly, but the Exit Poll only seemed to pick up one side of it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,216

    Sunderland Central better, but still NE.

    You can see they are getting more and more nervous about this exit poll. I strongly suspect its because of their assumptions about the postals swinging the same as on the day voters. Tories will end up with 330. Which is pretty pathetic really.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    Chameleon said:

    Swindon North declared for Con according to ITV.

    Safe Tory seat, wait to see shares
    Swindon South is the more relevant one
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    houndtang said:

    Tories doing welll in North, Labour doing well in Sotuh???

    Thesesa threatened the homes and inheritances of southerners?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348
    You could argue the North East results show the Tories are increasing their vote in all the wrong places.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Why are first 3 decs all from top right corner of the country?

    Population density and sheet will from the local council?
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    RobD said:

    Chameleon said:

    Swindon North declared for Con according to ITV.

    OK. If it had gone Lab that would have been disastrous.
    Yup, unhelpful they aren't showing the majority. If it is increased, or steady then Cons have a comfortable majority.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830

    Huge!!!!!!! Kelner says exit poll may be missing postal swing to tories...

    Conservative manifesto
    We will legislate to ensure that a form of identifcation must be presented before voting, to reform postal voting...

    Perhaps they meant to reform it to be mandatory for 65+, and to be handed in the first week, before the campaign goes bad ?
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    Anyone got a list of Tory targets, please?
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069

    Huge!!!!!!! Kelner says exit poll may be missing postal swing to tories...

    Pestone repeating this caveat on itv now
  • FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299

    Priti being interviewed by Mishal. It doesn't get much better than that.

    Cross party consensus on that one!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,253

    Huge!!!!!!! Kelner says exit poll may be missing postal swing to tories...

    Why would Curtice make a mistake like that?

    He knows this. This would have been a factor in GE2015 too.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,283
    Prodicus said:

    Anyone got a list of Tory targets, please?

    http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    I don't think so.

    Agreed. She made a gambit and lost. She's gone if they fall short of a big majority.
  • Chameleon said:

    Swindon North declared for Con according to ITV.

    Safe Tory seat, wait to see shares
    all about the swing. 0.1% swing across every seat means bigger majority.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    You could argue the North East results show the Tories are increasing their vote in all the wrong places.

    It seems they are getting more of the UKIP vote than Labour, I think
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Prodicus said:

    Anyone got a list of Tory targets, please?

    http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/conservative for example
  • RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    Floater said:

    This exit poll is not just wrong, it is massively wrong.

    Southam, I have never wanted you to be right more than now.

    I think it is early days (much as I want the Exit poll to be very wrong). We will see weird swings and local factors all over the country.

    Still hoping that my May Majority and SCON >9.5 bets will come in.

  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Ah right, them votes by post.... if thats old people being prompt and efficient then this country is going to the dogs....
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    Nah, she's fatally damaged.
    Yep. MPs will be looking at this campaign, and be wondering how she'll f'up the next one.

    She's a goner, either immediately, or before the next GE.
    She was never going to run in 2021/22 anyway, IMO.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    Is this the worst exit poll in history?

    In 1987 the BBC exit poll forecast Thatcher would get a majority of just 26, Thatcher ended up with a landslide majority of 102
    Really? What a cock up. Was the exit poll a surprise at the time?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,768
    edited June 2017
    So May safe as houses. That exit poll looked wrong right from the start. It was very funny though.

    One of my predictions earlier today was that Labour would get less seats than the exit poll forecast. I got that right at least!
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Sean_F said:

    If May wins a majority of any sort, she is entitled to remain as Conservative Leader and PM.

    Nah, she's fatally damaged.
    Unless the exit poll is WAY out
  • Y0kel said:

    Y0kel said:

    For those interested I'm hearing positive things about turnout in FST. Trying not to read too much into it.

    Who is that gonna suit though? The pollsters reckon its really the only unionist/nationalist seat in play.
    I'm being told positive things about various boxes and how full they are.
    So the polling stations in Garrison closed properly at 10 then....
    The electoral office were doing their jobs.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2017
    Chameleon said:

    Swindon North declared for Con according to ITV.

    It hasn't declared. ITV are the only channel to call seats before they're declared if they're sure of the result. Sometimes goes wrong, like Edinburgh South in 2010.
  • midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112
    tlg86 said:

    a third seat showing a swing to con of 2.3%. exit poll looking shaky so far, but not massively out of line - 2015 mk.2 on the cards...

    Can anyone remember how the exit poll did in these seats last time?
    Spot on. I remember Curtice saying so...
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Swindon N critical! If any swing to CON then we have won!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    John McDonnell started talking about a Labour Govt and there was a clap of thunder over my house which made the lights flicker
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,408
    edited June 2017
    Repost

    On the accuracy of the exit poll and the swing to and from the Conservatives in individual seats.

    The key is the UKIP vote share in 2015

    Above the national share (plus a bit) the seat should swing to the Conservatives; below it should swing to Labour

    Newcastle Central had 15% UKIP in 2015, which is slightly above the English national share of 14% and saw a small swing to Labour; Sunderland South had 21% UKIP and saw a swing to the Conservatives. Sunderland Central had 20% UKIP and saw a swing to the Conservatives.

    The exit poll looks good so far. May change later of course.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    edited June 2017
    Kirsty Walk says Salmond and Robertson both now may lose their seats to the Tories, Davidson having a great night in Scotland if true
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127
    So if UKIP are keeping only a quarter of their vote with one quarter going to Labour and half to Tories and the rest is mimimal churn, then Tories get 43% and Labour 33% which should be a decent Tory majority as long as they aren't too inefficient (can imagine a lot of 60%+ Tory share rural seats).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,469
    Kellner's 360 Tory prediction, not quite a landslide but very, very comfortable.
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    Freggles said:

    Going to bed. Should I set my alarm for 4:30?

    Chorus of entire PB: Yes

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    isam said:

    You could argue the North East results show the Tories are increasing their vote in all the wrong places.

    It seems they are getting more of the UKIP vote than Labour, I think
    Well yeah, but Labour still taking a sizeable chunk of it.

    Lots of the expected Tory gains were based on them taking ALMOST ALL of the UKIP vote.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,894
    My guess (right now) is that the Tories do about 15 votes better than the exits.

    But.

    Are the exits picking up anti-Tory tactical voting? Are the Tories piling up votes where they don't need them.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Labour Cllr from Bradford tells BBC Labour have held Bradford South, East, West and "could take Keighley"
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    DavidL said:

    If Salmond is going to lose Gordon, who does he lose it to? (Genuine question.)

    Ruth
    Exit poll say LDs
    Unlikely.
    Here are the exit poll toss ups

    Aberdeen South, the Conservatives have a 63% chance of victory, Labour has a 11% chance of victory, the SNP has a 26% chance of victory
    Airdrie & Shotts, Labour has a 23% chance of victory, the SNP has a 77% chance of victory
    Argyll & Bute, the Conservatives have a 4% chance of victory, the Liberal Democrats have a 36% chance of victory, the SNP has a 60% chance of victory
    Ayr, Carrick & Cumnock, the Conservatives have a 35% chance of victory, Labour has a 1% chance of victory, the SNP has a 64% chance of victory
    Banff & Buchan, the Conservatives have a 25% chance of victory, the SNP has a 75% chance of victory
    East Lothian, the Conservatives have a 24% chance of victory, Labour has a 55% chance of victory, the SNP has a 20% chance of victory
    Edinburgh East, Labour has a 49% chance of victory, the SNP has a 51% chance of victory
    Edinburgh South West, the Conservatives have a 37% chance of victory, Labour has a 27% chance of victory, the SNP has a 36% chance of victory
    Fife North East, the Conservatives have a 7% chance of victory, the Liberal Democrats have a 73% chance of victory, the SNP has a 20% chance of victory
    Glasgow Central, Labour has a 59% chance of victory, the SNP has a 41% chance of victory
    Gordon, the Liberal Democrats have a 51% chance of victory, the SNP has a 49% chance of victory
    Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey, the Liberal Democrats have a 48% chance of victory, the SNP has a 52% chance of victory
    Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath, Labour has a 25% chance of victory, the SNP has a 75% chance of victory
    Lanark & Hamilton East, the Conservatives have a 5% chance of victory, Labour has a 16% chance of victory, the SNP has a 79% chance of victory
    Ochil & Perthshire South, the Conservatives have a 31% chance of victory, Labour has a 23% chance of victory, the SNP has a 46% chance of victory
    Paisley & Renfrewshire North, Labour has a 21% chance of victory, the SNP has a 79% chance of victory
    Paisley & Renfrewshire South, Labour has a 54% chance of victory, the SNP has a 46% chance of victory
    Renfrewshire East, the Conservatives have a 32% chance of victory, Labour has a 58% chance of victory, the SNP has a 10% chance of victory
    Rutherglen & Hamilton West, Labour has a 41% chance of victory, the SNP has a 59% chance of victory
    Stirling, the Conservatives have a 56% chance of victory, Labour has a 3% chance of victory, the SNP has a 41% chance of victory
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,318

    You could argue the North East results show the Tories are increasing their vote in all the wrong places.

    Yes, it does look like it.
  • dazzadazza Posts: 28
    More of my dodgy predictions:

    Washington & Sunderland West : CON 11660 LAB 23160
    Kettering : CON 28990 LAB 15000
    Swindon North : CON 31200 LAB 18000
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,854

    So May safe as houses. That exit poll looked wrong right from the start. It was very funny though.

    One of my predictions earlier today was that Labour would get less seats than the exit poll forecast. I got that right at least!

    It's a bit early for that. Are you hoping that Corbyn doesn't get vindicated with a good result?
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052

    What the fuck is going on? Postal votes?

    That's Kellner's excuse. It is an important point, surely, that a lot of postal votes were cast before Labour reached the heights of its surge. The exit poll takes 2015 postal vote performance into account, but there wasn't such a surge then.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    If we were just looking at the results and didn't have an exit poll we'd probably be expecting a slightly increased Tory majority.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,253

    Kellner's 360 Tory prediction, not quite a landslide but very, very comfortable.

    He's talking nonsense.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    OK grabbing sleep now.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    Still going to assume this is accurate until we get a lot more results in different parts of the country.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830

    So May safe as houses. That exit poll looked wrong right from the start. It was very funny though.

    One of my predictions earlier today was that Labour would get less seats than the exit poll forecast. I got that right at least!

    Sunderland was expected to swing a bit Tory according to YouGov (via TSE)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    Kellner says Clegg may have lost Sheffield Hallam according to local LDs
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    Wonder what's happened to Andrew Neil?
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Not Clegg!
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    tlg86 said:

    houndtang said:

    Tories doing welll in North, Labour doing well in Sotuh???

    Tories doing better in leave areas?
    400-odd constituencies voted Leave, right?
  • New , improved WhisperingOracle prognosis - Tory majority of 15-20. May to be gone by Christmas.
  • I'm wondering if the pattern is as follows:

    UKIP - big swing to Con
    Turnout up benefitting Lab.

    This means that Con could still gain places like Wakefield but lose seats like Hendon where UKIP was weak.
  • TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    LDS doing very well in scotland
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,283
    midwinter said:

    tlg86 said:

    a third seat showing a swing to con of 2.3%. exit poll looking shaky so far, but not massively out of line - 2015 mk.2 on the cards...

    Can anyone remember how the exit poll did in these seats last time?
    Spot on. I remember Curtice saying so...
    Interesting, thank you.
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    tlg86 said:

    Prodicus said:

    Anyone got a list of Tory targets, please?

    http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground
    Many thanks.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    You could argue the North East results show the Tories are increasing their vote in all the wrong places.

    Areas where they weren't pushing resources??
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,234
    Exit poll may be overestimating Labour’s performance in election, first two results suggest
    Voters don't appear to have switched to Labour as much as pollsters had predicted


    http://www.independent.co.uk/News/uk/politics/exit-poll-labour-election-results-latest-conservatives-votes-swing-brexit-a7780291.html?F
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    edited June 2017
    HYUFD said:

    Kellner says Clegg may have lost Sheffield Hallam according to local LDs

    Aww. Come on Clegg, you can do it!

    Do Tories not just do as the Mail says? They told them to vote Clegg!
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Yes, interesting. Sunderland is just the sort of place the Tories could stack up Brexity votes without taking the seat.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Nick Brown
    Newcastle East
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,535
    SeanT said:

    Ruth Davidson for PM

    To be fair you got your bed wetting in at a fairly early stage of this election.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Kellner says Clegg may have lost Sheffield Hallam according to local LDs

    Aww. Come on Clegg, you can do it!

    Do Tories not just do as the Mail says? They told them to vote Clegg!
    I voted for Clegg.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2017
    Newcastle East:

    Lab +9k
    Con +2k
    LD -1.5k
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    GIN1138 said:

    Wonder what's happened to Andrew Neil?

    I believe he is doing the morning shift, could be an interesting time for him if this exit poll is right.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    HYUFD said:

    Kellner says Clegg may have lost Sheffield Hallam according to local LDs

    Remember when we were told this election would be boring
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    Newcastle East
    Lab 28,127
    Grn 755
    Cons 8866
    UKIP 1350
    LDs 2574
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Big swing to Lab in NoT East
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    HYUFD said:

    Kellner says Clegg may have lost Sheffield Hallam according to local LDs

    Nooooo!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Great line from Kellner - You're assuming some sort of correlation between personal performance in the campaign and the actual result - re Clegg
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    HYUFD said:

    Kellner says Clegg may have lost Sheffield Hallam according to local LDs

    Sheffield Hallam students have left. At least my daughter and all her friends are home again
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,283
    Labour squeezing Lib Dems and Greens.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    SWINDON!!!!
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Huge swing to Lab in Newcastle East.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Swindon North is the big test.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    Newcastle East better than the exit poll for Tories but slight swing to Lab
  • Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Floater said:

    HYUFD said:

    Kellner says Clegg may have lost Sheffield Hallam according to local LDs

    Remember when we were told this election would be boring
    I was the worst offender!!
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    Another decent tory result...?
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Con up 3,000, Lab up 6,500. The exit poll may not be that wrong.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,384
    Toon East - BOOM!
  • yay - Conservatives score a goal in Swindon
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348
    Swindon North result bad for the Tories.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    FF43 said:

    Repost

    On the accuracy of the exit poll and the swing to and from the Conservatives in individual seats.

    The key is the UKIP vote share in 2015

    Above the national share (plus a bit) the seat should swing to the Conservatives; below it should swing to Labour

    Newcastle Central had 15% UKIP in 2015, which is slightly above the English national share of 14% and saw a small swing to Labour; Sunderland South had 21% UKIP and saw a swing to the Conservatives. Sunderland Central had 20% UKIP and saw a swing to the Conservatives.

    The exit poll looks good so far. May change later of course.

    I agree, Labour (and LD) will do better in less kippery seats.


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830

    Huge swing to Lab in Newcastle East.

    More or less than the exit poll suggested?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Swindon North: Tory maj down 3k.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Looking good on turnout bets
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    edited June 2017
    Swindon
    Lab 21096
    UKIP 1564
    Cons 29431

    Tory hold
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Swindon N

    Lab +10.7
    Con +3.3
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,528
    Massive swing in Remain areas. JCICIPM? (again!)
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    Swindon. Grouse.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Those 2 results, in particular Swindon North should worry the Tories
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Thats a big increase for Labour in Swindon.
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