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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    @TSE sounds nothing like what I expected him to.

    I won't be listening as I don't want it to spoil the mystery. Never get too close to your heroes ;-)
    :)
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    kle4 said:

    So not a single lab lead in any poll through a whole campaign. Good night...

    Just the rigged system trying to ignore the Corbyn surge.
    Like the new avatar!!
    Get your shit tree off our flag :)
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,150
    edited June 2017

    I doubt it.

    Qriously

    LAB 41
    CON 39
    LIB 6
    SNP 4

    "London-based Qriously is an ad-tech startup with an extensive list of clients including Vodafone, Audi, B&Q and organisations like the New York Police Department. Qriously conducts surveys by sending short questionnaires via mobile phone to billions of users in a matter of seconds. Using their platform, they have been able to correctly predict the outcome of the Brexit referendum, the Italian constitutional referendum, the Dutch general election and the Turkish constitutional referendum. According to Kahler, they can theoretically reach 80 per cent of smartphone users worldwide.

    "Qriously conducted this survey between Sunday 4 June and today, interviewing 2,213 UK adults. Data was weighted on gender, age, region and income to be demographically representative."
    Apparently their projection for the Brexit result was a 44% remain vote, therefore not particularly accurate:
    http://www.pharmexec.com/how-one-pollster-correctly-predicted-brexit
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,669

    @TSE sounds nothing like what I expected him to.

    I keep on telling people I'm a working class Northerner.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302

    @TSE sounds nothing like what I expected him to.

    I keep on telling people I'm a working class Northerner.
    Is OGH on the gogglebox tomorrow?
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    @TSE sounds nothing like what I expected him to.

    I keep on telling people I'm a working class Northerner.
    I didn't believe you until now!
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    A lot of the Oldies won't have mobile phones.

    They claim to weight the data. You could just as easily say "a lot of youngies don't have landlines", but if the data is weighted properly it ought not matter*

    *I am not saying this poll is right – I think it's bollox, just saying'

    P.S. Does anyone still have/use a landline in their house? I haven't used one for years, I can't see the point of them
    Well that's not really an equal comparison IMHO. Young people are less likely to vote than Old people are. Which is why risking not quite catching a demographic that is 95% cert to vote seems an odd decision to me.

    We have a landline in our house, though I never make calls on it. It's my mum that does.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    hunchman said:

    I quite like John Hemming, he's one of the better Lib Dems, particularly his work over child abuse when an MP.

    This John Hemming?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25641247
    My former bridge partner. I like him, though I think he'd accept that his life has been complicated at times.
    My favourite result of the night would be if John Hemming gets back into the Commons. It's looking very unlikely though.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    The Sun's front page seems a bit weak. It's too silly. I expected something more vicious. It's no kinnock lightbulb.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    Khuram Shazad Butt, left, in a London park last year, when he was said to have attacked a counterextremism advocate

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/07/london-bridge-terror-plot-could-have-hatched-kfc-restaurant/
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Benedict:

    It's the running totals for the 2015 election with declaration times.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OmJVW05bWEn2a9ak4BJGe_6Jm_u2qdN9DK0GqqeV8Gg/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic that links works great. I presume I am going to have to add columns for 2017 to make it work for this time? (To keep some sort of running score) not that I am that good at spreadsheets.
    To be honest I don't think it's possible to do it live on the night for more than about 20 results because they just come in too quickly. Only the broadcasters have the resources to do it. I'm going to compare the results they give with the spreadsheet. You could crowdsource it if you had an agreement for say 100 people to do 6 results each at different times during the night, but that would obviously require a lot of prior organisation. RodCrosby tried to organise something like that in 2010 but it didn't work out because not enough people took part.
    Are there any formulas in your spreadsheet? Only the copy I made doesn't seem to have any.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Chris said:

    I doubt it.

    Qriously

    LAB 41
    CON 39
    LIB 6
    SNP 4

    "London-based Qriously is an ad-tech startup with an extensive list of clients including Vodafone, Audi, B&Q and organisations like the New York Police Department. Qriously conducts surveys by sending short questionnaires via mobile phone to billions of users in a matter of seconds. Using their platform, they have been able to correctly predict the outcome of the Brexit referendum, the Italian constitutional referendum, the Dutch general election and the Turkish constitutional referendum. According to Kahler, they can theoretically reach 80 per cent of smartphone users worldwide.

    "Qriously conducted this survey between Sunday 4 June and today, interviewing 2,213 UK adults. Data was weighted on gender, age, region and income to be demographically representative."
    Apparently their projection for the Brexit result was a 44% remain vote, therefore not particularly accurate:
    http://www.pharmexec.com/how-one-pollster-correctly-predicted-brexit
    In fairness, they did a lot better than some! But still, if this is the kaboon baboon it's slightly underwhelming – I have never heard of them.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Chris_A said:

    re Andy's spreadsheet from the previous thread, aren't we expecting many results to be hours earlier this time around?

    Probably, because there aren't any local election ballots to separate out.
    Another variable.. I wonder if there are more centralised counts this time? Three (rural) seats are in one centre for the first time round me. Which way does that work? Bigger team means faster.. or longer trek to get boxes in etc (or, I guess, a relatively *smaller* team) slows it down?

    Difficult one. I suppose if the results for those constituencies took ages last time they might be faster this time. And vice versa. Which three are they, if you don't mind me asking?
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,060
    On my twitter feed I'm getting a vote Labour promoted tweet including saying #vote Labour is trending..... roll on 10 pm
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,086
    edited June 2017

    kle4 said:

    So not a single lab lead in any poll through a whole campaign. Good night...

    Just the rigged system trying to ignore the Corbyn surge.
    Like the new avatar!!
    For one day only. :)
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,669

    @TSE sounds nothing like what I expected him to.

    I keep on telling people I'm a working class Northerner.
    Is OGH on the gogglebox tomorrow?
    Don't think so.

    Keiran's on Al Jazeera.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023

    The Sun's front page seems a bit weak. It's too silly. I expected something more vicious. It's no kinnock lightbulb.

    I've got a theory on the press and Corbyn.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,086

    A lot of the Oldies won't have mobile phones.

    They claim to weight the data. You could just as easily say "a lot of youngies don't have landlines", but if the data is weighted properly it ought not matter*

    *I am not saying this poll is right – I think it's bollox, just saying'

    P.S. Does anyone still have/use a landline in their house? I haven't used one for years, I can't see the point of them
    I do. I don't like giving people my mobile number willy nilly.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    Pulpstar said:

    The Sun's front page seems a bit weak. It's too silly. I expected something more vicious. It's no kinnock lightbulb.

    I've got a theory on the press and Corbyn.
    Go on...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023

    Pulpstar said:

    The Sun's front page seems a bit weak. It's too silly. I expected something more vicious. It's no kinnock lightbulb.

    I've got a theory on the press and Corbyn.
    Go on...
    Well I've submitted it to the powers that be...
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038

    MikeL said:

    There's a poll by Qriously giving Lab a 3% lead - it's on Wiki.

    http://www.wired.co.uk/article/election-polls-labour-conservative-winner

    Is that the bollox TSE made comments about.

    And I've never heard of Qriously before.
    I think Wired have paid for that just to give Sean heart failure.
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    dazzadazza Posts: 28
    edited June 2017

    MikeL said:

    There's a poll by Qriously giving Lab a 3% lead - it's on Wiki.

    http://www.wired.co.uk/article/election-polls-labour-conservative-winner

    Doesn't seem they've released the PDF tables of their poll - odd.
    It seems they operate by placing the poll in adverts, that appears on respondents mobile phone / tablet. So the responders self select. Its left unstated how much work qriously then undertakes to correct for demographics. E.g. how much does qriously know about each responder? If I were being cynical, I would suggest this is marketing ploy to get attention to their platform.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,060
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    So not a single lab lead in any poll through a whole campaign. Good night...

    Just the rigged system trying to ignore the Corbyn surge.
    Like the new avatar!!
    For one day only. :)
    You say that but once you turn to the dark side........
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,601

    @TSE sounds nothing like what I expected him to.

    I keep on telling people I'm a working class Northerner.
    Public schoolboy :lol:
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Benedict:

    It's the running totals for the 2015 election with declaration times.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OmJVW05bWEn2a9ak4BJGe_6Jm_u2qdN9DK0GqqeV8Gg/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic that links works great. I presume I am going to have to add columns for 2017 to make it work for this time? (To keep some sort of running score) not that I am that good at spreadsheets.
    To be honest I don't think it's possible to do it live on the night for more than about 20 results because they just come in too quickly. Only the broadcasters have the resources to do it. I'm going to compare the results they give with the spreadsheet. You could crowdsource it if you had an agreement for say 100 people to do 6 results each at different times during the night, but that would obviously require a lot of prior organisation. RodCrosby tried to organise something like that in 2010 but it didn't work out because not enough people took part.
    Are there any formulas in your spreadsheet? Only the copy I made doesn't seem to have any.
    When I copied it from my spreadsheet program into Google Sheets it didn't copy the formulas, just the numbers themselves. I might put the formulas in the Google Sheet tomorrow if I get time.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,669

    I do admire tse managing to make a classic David Ed miliband error in his podcast debut. Bravo. That's almost spursy.... enjoyable listen but Mrs scrap who is the 5 mins a week interest in politics usually thought you were al a bitl too harsh on t may...

    Rookie mistake by me.

    Me? Harsh on Theresa May? Never.

    I'm fair and impartial l.
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 49s49 seconds ago

    Scottish Westminster voting intention:

    SNP: 39%
    LAB: 29%
    CON: 26%
    LDEM: 6%

    (via @Survation / telephone)
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    A lot of the Oldies won't have mobile phones.

    They claim to weight the data. You could just as easily say "a lot of youngies don't have landlines", but if the data is weighted properly it ought not matter*

    *I am not saying this poll is right – I think it's bollox, just saying'

    P.S. Does anyone still have/use a landline in their house? I haven't used one for years, I can't see the point of them
    Well that's not really an equal comparison IMHO. Young people are less likely to vote than Old people are. Which is why risking not quite catching a demographic that is 95% cert to vote seems an odd decision to me.

    We have a landline in our house, though I never make calls on it. It's my mum that does.
    It's not a matter of opinion. If a survey is properly weighted for turnout etc, it shouldn't matter if the absolute reach to any particular demographic varies. That should be factored in by the weighting. That is not to say their methodology is right – merely that weighting is designed to remove differentials in survey reach and voting turnout to any particular group.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,021
    marke09 said:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 49s49 seconds ago

    Scottish Westminster voting intention:

    SNP: 39%
    LAB: 29%
    CON: 26%
    LDEM: 6%

    (via @Survation / telephone)

    *sad klaxon*
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Benedict:

    It's the running totals for the 2015 election with declaration times.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OmJVW05bWEn2a9ak4BJGe_6Jm_u2qdN9DK0GqqeV8Gg/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic that links works great. I presume I am going to have to add columns for 2017 to make it work for this time? (To keep some sort of running score) not that I am that good at spreadsheets.
    To be honest I don't think it's possible to do it live on the night for more than about 20 results because they just come in too quickly. Only the broadcasters have the resources to do it. I'm going to compare the results they give with the spreadsheet. You could crowdsource it if you had an agreement for say 100 people to do 6 results each at different times during the night, but that would obviously require a lot of prior organisation. RodCrosby tried to organise something like that in 2010 but it didn't work out because not enough people took part.
    Are there any formulas in your spreadsheet? Only the copy I made doesn't seem to have any.
    When I copied it from my spreadsheet program into Google Sheets it didn't copy the formulas, just the numbers themselves. I might put the formulas in the Google Sheet tomorrow if I get time.
    Could you email me the original please :)

    benedictmpwhite at gmail dot com :)
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    hunchman said:

    Dadge said:

    hunchman said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Chris_A said:

    A first for me today - leafleting for the Lib Dems in Yardley.

    When you vote tomorrow remember our creaking public services and consider if you can rely on them getting even worse. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1706754

    Best of luck in Yardley, Jess looks way too far in front based on national trends to shift though.
    Was looking at Hemming's twitter feed today. No better example of 'pavement' politics in action than Yardley and the Lib Dem advance. Jess Phillips high public profile helps, and she's just too far ahead from last time. I think the majority may get cut, but no realistic prospect of a Lib Dem gain. I quite like John Hemming, he's one of the better Lib Dems, particularly his work over child abuse when an MP.
    Jess was nailed on from day 1 and will increase her majority. I've met John a few times and I'm unusual in that I like both of them. In some ways this contest has been unfortunate because it's drained Labour volunteers away from the more difficult contests in Northfield and Edgbaston.
    What do you think of Erdington? I've got Edgbaston and Northfield as Tory gains, but I think Erdington will prove just out of reach. And invisible Tom Watson to hold on to West Bromwich East I think as well.
    Close. I've been out in the Ukip/Non-voter wards so I'm not getting a representative picture, but there are clearly new Tory voters. Last month I was predicting a Tory gain but now I think Jack will hold on.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,021

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Benedict:

    It's the running totals for the 2015 election with declaration times.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OmJVW05bWEn2a9ak4BJGe_6Jm_u2qdN9DK0GqqeV8Gg/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic that links works great. I presume I am going to have to add columns for 2017 to make it work for this time? (To keep some sort of running score) not that I am that good at spreadsheets.
    To be honest I don't think it's possible to do it live on the night for more than about 20 results because they just come in too quickly. Only the broadcasters have the resources to do it. I'm going to compare the results they give with the spreadsheet. You could crowdsource it if you had an agreement for say 100 people to do 6 results each at different times during the night, but that would obviously require a lot of prior organisation. RodCrosby tried to organise something like that in 2010 but it didn't work out because not enough people took part.
    Are there any formulas in your spreadsheet? Only the copy I made doesn't seem to have any.
    File > download as xls. That should save them.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    Did we ever find out what that massive cardboard cut out of Kim Jong May on the cliffs of Dover was about?
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,060

    @TSE sounds nothing like what I expected him to.

    I keep on telling people I'm a working class Northerner.
    Public schoolboy :lol:
    At my public school it was mandatory to have a #fakecommonpeoplevoice
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    kle4 said:

    A lot of the Oldies won't have mobile phones.

    They claim to weight the data. You could just as easily say "a lot of youngies don't have landlines", but if the data is weighted properly it ought not matter*

    *I am not saying this poll is right – I think it's bollox, just saying'

    P.S. Does anyone still have/use a landline in their house? I haven't used one for years, I can't see the point of them
    I do. I don't like giving people my mobile number willy nilly.
    So you give them your landline number?

    Good night.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,021
    dazza said:

    MikeL said:

    There's a poll by Qriously giving Lab a 3% lead - it's on Wiki.

    http://www.wired.co.uk/article/election-polls-labour-conservative-winner

    Doesn't seem they've released the PDF tables of their poll - odd.
    It seems they operate by placing the poll in adverts, that appears on respondents mobile phone / tablet. So the responders self select. Its left unstated how much work qriously then undertakes to correct for demographics. E.g. how much does qriously know about each responder? If I were being cynical, I would suggest this is marketing ploy to get attention to their platform.
    Yeah.. that doesn't sound like a great strategy for a balanced opinion poll. :p
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456

    Survation

    CON 41 (+1)
    LAB 40 (+1)
    LIB 8 (=)
    KIP 2 (-3)
    GRN 2 (=)

    Must be an outlier ;)
    no way is Corbyn polling higher than blair in 2005 or milliband in 2015
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Benedict:

    It's the running totals for the 2015 election with declaration times.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OmJVW05bWEn2a9ak4BJGe_6Jm_u2qdN9DK0GqqeV8Gg/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic that links works great. I presume I am going to have to add columns for 2017 to make it work for this time? (To keep some sort of running score) not that I am that good at spreadsheets.
    To be honest I don't think it's possible to do it live on the night for more than about 20 results because they just come in too quickly. Only the broadcasters have the resources to do it. I'm going to compare the results they give with the spreadsheet. You could crowdsource it if you had an agreement for say 100 people to do 6 results each at different times during the night, but that would obviously require a lot of prior organisation. RodCrosby tried to organise something like that in 2010 but it didn't work out because not enough people took part.
    Are there any formulas in your spreadsheet? Only the copy I made doesn't seem to have any.
    File > download as xls. That should save them.
    The formulas are not in the google doc, Andy has confirmed it.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,060
    RobD said:

    marke09 said:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 49s49 seconds ago

    Scottish Westminster voting intention:

    SNP: 39%
    LAB: 29%
    CON: 26%
    LDEM: 6%

    (via @Survation / telephone)

    *sad klaxon*
    Missing Tory surge up there must explain their 1pct lead too...... klaxon returns!!
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    A lot of the Oldies won't have mobile phones.

    They claim to weight the data. You could just as easily say "a lot of youngies don't have landlines", but if the data is weighted properly it ought not matter*

    *I am not saying this poll is right – I think it's bollox, just saying'

    P.S. Does anyone still have/use a landline in their house? I haven't used one for years, I can't see the point of them
    Landlines are quite useful when you can't get any mobile signal at home in Cornwall
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,021

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Benedict:

    It's the running totals for the 2015 election with declaration times.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OmJVW05bWEn2a9ak4BJGe_6Jm_u2qdN9DK0GqqeV8Gg/edit#gid=0

    Fantastic that links works great. I presume I am going to have to add columns for 2017 to make it work for this time? (To keep some sort of running score) not that I am that good at spreadsheets.
    To be honest I don't think it's possible to do it live on the night for more than about 20 results because they just come in too quickly. Only the broadcasters have the resources to do it. I'm going to compare the results they give with the spreadsheet. You could crowdsource it if you had an agreement for say 100 people to do 6 results each at different times during the night, but that would obviously require a lot of prior organisation. RodCrosby tried to organise something like that in 2010 but it didn't work out because not enough people took part.
    Are there any formulas in your spreadsheet? Only the copy I made doesn't seem to have any.
    File > download as xls. That should save them.
    The formulas are not in the google doc, Andy has confirmed it.
    Oops, my bad! I thought you were just copying/pasting the text which was ignoring the formula.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited June 2017
    kjohnw said:

    Survation

    CON 41 (+1)
    LAB 40 (+1)
    LIB 8 (=)
    KIP 2 (-3)
    GRN 2 (=)

    Must be an outlier ;)
    no way is Corbyn polling higher than blair in 2005 or milliband in 2015
    With the collapse of Lib Dem, it seems certain he will beat Ed, but getting Tony Blair numbers just seem completely mad...but then I don't understand what the yuff see in Corbyn, he scares the crap out of me so much I am voting Tory for the first time ever at a GE.

    Unlike Sanders in the US, who the Clinton machine couldn't find any dirt on, Corbyn is like a pig in mud when it comes to crap in his backstory.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    RobD said:

    marke09 said:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 49s49 seconds ago

    Scottish Westminster voting intention:

    SNP: 39%
    LAB: 29%
    CON: 26%
    LDEM: 6%

    (via @Survation / telephone)

    *sad klaxon*
    The question is, is this just huge levels of tactical voting we are seeing, or is it actually a genuine labour surge? If the former, then means it would be a relatively horrible night for the SNP and good for all the unionist parties. If this is part of the same UK wide surge in Lab we are seeing, it will do them little good, and split opposition to SNP leaving them to clean up big time even on a reduced voteshare.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,086
    marke09 said:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 49s49 seconds ago

    Scottish Westminster voting intention:

    SNP: 39%
    LAB: 29%
    CON: 26%
    LDEM: 6%

    (via @Survation / telephone)

    Would be a terrible result for Davidson if so.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,021
    OMG @kle4 has gone full PB Tory :o I hardly recognised you.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,086

    kle4 said:

    A lot of the Oldies won't have mobile phones.

    They claim to weight the data. You could just as easily say "a lot of youngies don't have landlines", but if the data is weighted properly it ought not matter*

    *I am not saying this poll is right – I think it's bollox, just saying'

    P.S. Does anyone still have/use a landline in their house? I haven't used one for years, I can't see the point of them
    I do. I don't like giving people my mobile number willy nilly.
    So you give them your landline number?

    Good night.
    Yes - I have my mobile on me all the time, I don't want random companies and the like bothering me on it during the day, they can leave a message when I don't answer the landline.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,086
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023
    edited June 2017
    kle4 said:

    marke09 said:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 49s49 seconds ago

    Scottish Westminster voting intention:

    SNP: 39%
    LAB: 29%
    CON: 26%
    LDEM: 6%

    (via @Survation / telephone)

    Would be a terrible result for Davidson if so.
    Depends where the SCON 26% and the SNP 39% is. That is a big swing.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023
    kle4 said:
    WHats he saying, he's blocked me ever since I reported him to the press complaints :D
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited June 2017
    kle4 said:
    LOL...then later in the night, the likes of Faisal Islam totally misunderstanding vote piles and tweeting like a manic that some upset is on the cards that isn't.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    Brom said:

    Dadge said:

    I thought the Sun front page was bad, but the Guardian front page is damning.

    Damning as in not overtly backing Corbyn on the front page?
    Yup. They've made it as anodyne as possible to make their (non-)position very clear.

    It's a shame - I know it's difficult to back Corbyn, but when other papers are so extreme in their support for May it'd be good to have a counterpoint to that.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456

    kjohnw said:

    Survation

    CON 41 (+1)
    LAB 40 (+1)
    LIB 8 (=)
    KIP 2 (-3)
    GRN 2 (=)

    Must be an outlier ;)
    no way is Corbyn polling higher than blair in 2005 or milliband in 2015
    With the collapse of Lib Dem, it seems certain he will beat Ed, but getting Tony Blair numbers just seem completely mad...but then I don't understand what the yuff see in Corbyn, he scares the crap out of me so much I am voting Tory for the first time ever at a GE

    hopefully it's going to be another polling disaster tomorrow. roll on 10pm . If Corbyn does manage to somehow pull this off we are all screwed the damage to the UK will be irreversible .
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,021
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:
    WHats he saying, he's blocked me ever since I reported him to the press complaints :D
    LOL

    Here it is:

    (((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges

    09.00 tomorrow. Pics of voting lines. Reports turn-out "off the charts". Tory panic. 21.00. Reports turn-out "average". Labour panic.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023


    Unlike Sanders in the US, who the Clinton machine couldn't find any dirt on, Corbyn is like a pig in mud when it comes to crap in his backstory.

    I have a fred regarding this..
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited June 2017
    After doing the dirty and getting stuck into my grilled baby...just wondering how long / how many showers does it take for the dirty feeling to wear off?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,021

    After doing the dirty and getting stuck into my grilled baby...just wondering how long / how many showers does it take for the dirty feeling to wear off?

    Tainted for life. :naughty:
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    TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,724
    Fair play to Survation. At least they stuck to their guns, better than YouGov who herded at the last minute.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,086

    After doing the dirty and getting stuck into my grilled baby...just wondering how long / how many showers does it take for the dirty feeling to wear off?

    As I understand it we will come to embrace the dirty feeling; it is the tainting of our souls which will be lasting.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    A lot of the Oldies won't have mobile phones.

    They claim to weight the data. You could just as easily say "a lot of youngies don't have landlines", but if the data is weighted properly it ought not matter*

    *I am not saying this poll is right – I think it's bollox, just saying'

    P.S. Does anyone still have/use a landline in their house? I haven't used one for years, I can't see the point of them
    Well that's not really an equal comparison IMHO. Young people are less likely to vote than Old people are. Which is why risking not quite catching a demographic that is 95% cert to vote seems an odd decision to me.

    We have a landline in our house, though I never make calls on it. It's my mum that does.
    It's not a matter of opinion. If a survey is properly weighted for turnout etc, it shouldn't matter if the absolute reach to any particular demographic varies. That should be factored in by the weighting. That is not to say their methodology is right – merely that weighting is designed to remove differentials in survey reach and voting turnout to any particular group.
    Well, it does - last time round one of the reasons as to why we had a polling disaster was that samples contained too many politically engaged people (especially politically engaged young people).
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,380
    kle4 said:

    marke09 said:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 49s49 seconds ago

    Scottish Westminster voting intention:

    SNP: 39%
    LAB: 29%
    CON: 26%
    LDEM: 6%

    (via @Survation / telephone)

    Would be a terrible result for Davidson if so.
    Big difference from the BMG survey, and would mean a number of Labour gains. Hmm.

    Good night all, and have fun tomorrow!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    RobD said:

    After doing the dirty and getting stuck into my grilled baby...just wondering how long / how many showers does it take for the dirty feeling to wear off?

    Tainted for life. :naughty:
    Damn...I was hoping a week or two of dettol baths would do the trick.
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    RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    kle4 said:

    marke09 said:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 49s49 seconds ago

    Scottish Westminster voting intention:

    SNP: 39%
    LAB: 29%
    CON: 26%
    LDEM: 6%

    (via @Survation / telephone)

    Would be a terrible result for Davidson if so.
    If the consensus is their GB-wide poll is brave/mince, so is their Scottish poll I guess.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023
    kle4 said:

    After doing the dirty and getting stuck into my grilled baby...just wondering how long / how many showers does it take for the dirty feeling to wear off?

    As I understand it we will come to embrace the dirty feeling; it is the tainting of our souls which will be lasting.
    Sometimes these things have to be done. Remember you'll own the next 5 years if May wins. If Corbyn wins you can say you tried your best though, and get the same "I didn't vote for this clusterfuck" satisfaction that remain voters now have ;)
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2017
    Benedict: I've put the formulas back in the spreadsheet.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,021

    RobD said:

    After doing the dirty and getting stuck into my grilled baby...just wondering how long / how many showers does it take for the dirty feeling to wear off?

    Tainted for life. :naughty:
    Damn...I was hoping a week or two of dettol baths would do the trick.
    You remember that one foot in the grave episode where Victor Meldrew smelled of TCP. A glimpse at your future.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited June 2017
    Andrew said:

    So just missing Ipsos, we have: 1 4 5 7 7 8 10 12. Mean of 6.75, with Ipsos perhaps to drag that down a fraction.

    13% with BMG as well.

    I've just come home. Why is everyone panicking about Mr. Herdson saying the polls are right? If they are rigth that is a Tory lead of 7%, and since they have gained % outside of the south and London where there are hardly any marginals it should mean a larger Tory majority.

    He even predicted Tories would GAIN Wakefield despite the swing back to Labour. Thats a 3% swing from Labour to the Tories. Thats 27 GAINS on a uniform swing plus another 4/5 GAINS in Scotland outside of UNS.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    After doing the dirty and getting stuck into my grilled baby...just wondering how long / how many showers does it take for the dirty feeling to wear off?

    Tainted for life. :naughty:
    Damn...I was hoping a week or two of dettol baths would do the trick.
    You remember that one foot in the grave episode where Victor Meldrew smelled of TCP. A glimpse at your future.
    Richard Wilson will be down the polls voting Corbyn tomorrow that is for sure.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,086
    edited June 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    After doing the dirty and getting stuck into my grilled baby...just wondering how long / how many showers does it take for the dirty feeling to wear off?

    As I understand it we will come to embrace the dirty feeling; it is the tainting of our souls which will be lasting.
    Sometimes these things have to be done. Remember you'll own the next 5 years if May wins. If Corbyn wins you can say you tried your best though, and get the same "I didn't vote for this clusterfuck" satisfaction that remain voters now have ;)
    I should vote ld again and avoid any responsibility, but time to stand up and say, loud and proud,

    "I'm not really a fan of TMay and I have issues with bits of the Tory platform, but on balance it is realistic, and the main alternative is not appealing, and needs to be defeated to learn it's lesson and that means voting Tory, but I wish the LDs well as strong third parties are important"

    Night all.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,824
    Agree with TSE on Moray - tho I suspect Robertson will hang on......
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,021

    Agree with TSE on Moray - tho I suspect Robertson will hang on......

    What was his prediction? (will listen to it later.. but can't at the moment)
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    AndyJS said:

    Benedict: I've put the formulas back in the spreadsheet.

    Ah... can you post another link please :) I copied your original and now will have to trawl down thread to find it. Many thanks once again.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited June 2017
    I think I understand @DavidHerdson 's frustration.

    It looks like the tories have wasted a perfectly good Corbyn.

    They'd convinced themselves this wouldn't be anywhere near as close.

    IMO, TM should have offered some real meat by asking the electorate to give her a mandate to trigger A50.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    edited June 2017

    kjohnw said:

    Survation

    CON 41 (+1)
    LAB 40 (+1)
    LIB 8 (=)
    KIP 2 (-3)
    GRN 2 (=)

    Must be an outlier ;)
    no way is Corbyn polling higher than blair in 2005 or milliband in 2015
    With the collapse of Lib Dem, it seems certain he will beat Ed, but getting Tony Blair numbers just seem completely mad...but then I don't understand what the yuff see in Corbyn, he scares the crap out of me so much I am voting Tory for the first time ever at a GE.

    Unlike Sanders in the US, who the Clinton machine couldn't find any dirt on, Corbyn is like a pig in mud when it comes to crap in his backstory.
    Corbyn may not have a degree but he does have a PhD - piled high and deep in sh*t
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,824
    RobD said:

    Agree with TSE on Moray - tho I suspect Robertson will hang on......

    What was his prediction? (will listen to it later.. but can't at the moment)
    That it was 'one to watch' - Marriott has Moray as a Con gain by quite a margin (46 : 37)
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    kle4 said:

    marke09 said:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 49s49 seconds ago

    Scottish Westminster voting intention:

    SNP: 39%
    LAB: 29%
    CON: 26%
    LDEM: 6%

    (via @Survation / telephone)

    Would be a terrible result for Davidson if so.
    I see you've proudly come over to the dark side....mwahahahaahaah!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,021

    RobD said:

    Agree with TSE on Moray - tho I suspect Robertson will hang on......

    What was his prediction? (will listen to it later.. but can't at the moment)
    That it was 'one to watch' - Marriott has Moray as a Con gain by quite a margin (46 : 37)
    I hope it is a Tory gain! :D
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023
    Pong said:

    I think I understand @DavidHerdson 's frustration.

    It looks like the tories have wasted a perfectly good Corbyn.

    They'd convinced themselves this wouldn't be anywhere near as close.

    His backstory is I'm afraid not going to be properly heard when it is laid out by the right wing press. I think people have formed a view on how any Labour leader is treated nowadays so alot of it is dismissed.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Martin Boon‏ @martinboon

    Wow. Strong post field reallocation of DKs by @yougov back to 2015 party (a la @ICMResearch), but stronger. Possibly explains trip to 7%
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Benedict: I've put the formulas back in the spreadsheet.

    Ah... can you post another link please :) I copied your original and now will have to trawl down thread to find it. Many thanks once again.
    Here you are:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OmJVW05bWEn2a9ak4BJGe_6Jm_u2qdN9DK0GqqeV8Gg/edit#gid=0
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,824
    edited June 2017
    GE Predictions:

    Keiran: 8-9% lead for Con, Con Maj 50-75, May will go post BREXIT
    TSE: Con ±375, Lab ±200 around 100maj, May in trouble with Maj <40
    OGH: Con Maj: ±50-60, Scottish gains, London Losses, May unlikely to be Leader at next GE

    Corbyn will continue as Labour leader

    Last word for Sir David Butler 'I don't know'
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,601
    Sgt. Sunil: Alright, sweethearts, you're a team and there's nothin' to worry about. We come here, and we're gonna conquer, and we're gonna kick some, is that understood? That's what we're gonna do, sweethearts, we are going to go and get some. All right, people, on the ready line! Are ya lean?

    PB Tories: Yeah!

    Sgt. Sunil: Are ya mean?

    PB Tories: Yeah!

    Sgt. Sunil: WHAT ARE YOU?

    PB Tories: Lean and mean!

    Sgt. Sunil: WHAT ARE YOU? RobD! TSE! Get on the ready line, PB Tories, get some today! Get on the ready line! Move it out! Move it out, goddammit! Get hot! One, two, three, four! Get out, get out, get out! Move it out, move it out, move it out! Move it out, move it out, move it out! One, two, three, four, five, six, seven! Aaarrrrr, absolutely badasses! Let's pack 'em in! Get in there!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023
    I've just watched a pro Corbyn vid. I can see the appeal, he's superb in front of a crowd. A left wing Trump...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,023
    It wouldn't matter. His initials are JC, and he is untouchable.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Benedict: I've put the formulas back in the spreadsheet.

    Ah... can you post another link please :) I copied your original and now will have to trawl down thread to find it. Many thanks once again.
    Here you are:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OmJVW05bWEn2a9ak4BJGe_6Jm_u2qdN9DK0GqqeV8Gg/edit#gid=0
    Many thanks again!
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    DruttDrutt Posts: 1,093
    Isn't BMG the key bit of data here? That's Labour's internal pollster saying CON lead of 13. Both front benches making constituency visits that tally with that. With occasional exceptions, doorknocking reports outside of London posted here have been there or thereabouts. Atul over at Labour Uncut saying they are getting that sort of mood music. Baxter BMG for CON MAJ 110.

    BMG Data tables at http://ow.ly/r04530cpB9L
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,824
    Theresa May spent more than half of the election campaign in Labour-held seats, demonstrating how confident she is of making gains from Jeremy Corbyn’s party, a Guardian analysis has shown.....

    ......By contrast, Corbyn has spent his campaign shoring up support in areas where the party holds sizeable majorities. Of the 76 stops that the Labour leader has made in seven weeks, 42% were in seats where the party holds a significant majority of 20 percentage points or more.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/08/theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-election-campaign-stops-analysis?CMP=twt_gu
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Drutt said:

    Isn't BMG the key bit of data here? That's Labour's internal pollster saying CON lead of 13.

    Yep, certainly explains why they're so downbeat.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2017
    Interesting fact: after exactly 50% of results in 2015, (325 declarations), the swing from Lab to Con was 0.00% to 2 decimal places.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    Andrew said:

    Drutt said:

    Isn't BMG the key bit of data here? That's Labour's internal pollster saying CON lead of 13.

    Yep, certainly explains why they're so downbeat.
    I always come back to the fact the Tories have never really dropped the hammer. Corbyn has had one day of the bucket of shit treatment in a month. If Textor / Messina were getting 1% leads, Crosby would have trying every trick in the book.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    AndyJS said:

    Interesting fact: after exactly 50% of results in 2015, (325 declarations), the swing from Lab to Con was 0.00% to 2 decimal places.

    Wow, Quite interesting. And now to bed. Good night all and good luck.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,321
    BMG needs to be added to the Wiki list.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,321
    edited June 2017
    kle4 said:

    marke09 said:

    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 49s49 seconds ago

    Scottish Westminster voting intention:

    SNP: 39%
    LAB: 29%
    CON: 26%
    LDEM: 6%

    (via @Survation / telephone)

    Would be a terrible result for Davidson if so.
    Per the UKPR swingometer that poll gives seats of:

    SNP 44
    Con 7
    Lab 5
    LD 3

    It's very sensitive - Lab taking votes from SNP could well help Con win more seats.

    It obviously does on UNS - as most Con targets are straight fights with the SNP. Although of course UNS may well not apply in those areas.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,021
    AndyJS said:

    Interesting fact: after exactly 50% of results in 2015, (325 declarations), the swing from Lab to Con was 0.00% to 2 decimal places.

    That's a great factoid!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,021
    @Sunil_Prasannan

    Needs more chortling and tittering. :p
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