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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    is it worth me getting my €'s for my holiday now or after June 8th?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    PaulM said:

    HYUFD said:

    Regional figures

    Comres vs 2015

    North East
    Tories 38% +13%
    Labour 49% +2%
    LD 8% -1%

    North West
    Tories 45% +14%
    Labour 44% -1%
    LD 7% n/c

    Yorkshire and Humber
    Tories 48% +16%
    Labour 43% +4%
    LD 4% -3%

    West Midlands
    Tories 50% +9%
    Labour 37% +5%
    LD 4% -2%

    East Midlands
    Tories 56% +13%
    Labour 30% -2%
    LD 9% +4%

    East
    Tories 56% +7%
    Labour 29% +7%
    LD 8% n/c

    London
    Tories 39% +4%
    Labour 46%+2%
    LD 6% -2%

    South East
    Tories 51% n/c
    Labour 28% +10%
    LD 12% +3%

    South West
    Tories 51% +5%
    Labour 30% +13%
    LD 16% +1%

    Scotland
    Tories 32% +17%
    Labour 15% -9%
    SNP 40% -10%
    LD 9% +2%

    Wales
    Tories 43% +16%
    Labour 32% -5%
    LD 6% n/c


    I just put in the change since 2015. Find it hard to believe that the Tories could be flat in the South East and up mid teens in the North
    I'd assumed the Wales numbers were wrong and transposed. Very bad for Labour.

    Labour's position in the SW looks like a lot of the LibDems tactical voting unwinding. On the face of it, 2 Plymouth seats go Labour - but maybe not, as only 2,000 LD votes in 2015 in Plymouth Sutton and Devonport to unwind and only 1,200 in Moor View
    Yougov has Plymouth Sutton for Lab.

    Cambourne and Redruth is 41 at Bet365. just the place for red kippers to go all Corbyn.

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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Andrew said:

    Curiously, Baxter gives that Survation as Tory majority 4.

    With UNS the Tories cannot lose their majority unless the Labour is actually ahead. That is how the seats fell last time.

    Labour actually need a swing of 10% to win - 1997 proportions.
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    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    PaulM said:

    HYUFD said:

    Regional figures

    Comres vs 2015

    North East
    Tories 38% +13%
    Labour 49% +2%
    LD 8% -1%

    North West
    Tories 45% +14%
    Labour 44% -1%
    LD 7% n/c

    Yorkshire and Humber
    Tories 48% +16%
    Labour 43% +4%
    LD 4% -3%

    West Midlands
    Tories 50% +9%
    Labour 37% +5%
    LD 4% -2%

    East Midlands
    Tories 56% +13%
    Labour 30% -2%
    LD 9% +4%

    East
    Tories 56% +7%
    Labour 29% +7%
    LD 8% n/c

    London
    Tories 39% +4%
    Labour 46%+2%
    LD 6% -2%

    South East
    Tories 51% n/c
    Labour 28% +10%
    LD 12% +3%

    South West
    Tories 51% +5%
    Labour 30% +13%
    LD 16% +1%

    Scotland
    Tories 32% +17%
    Labour 15% -9%
    SNP 40% -10%
    LD 9% +2%

    Wales
    Tories 43% +16%
    Labour 32% -5%
    LD 6% n/c


    I just put in the change since 2015. Find it hard to believe that the Tories could be flat in the South East and up mid teens in the North
    Subsamples are often likely to produce strange results - the Conservatives are not on 43% in Wales for example.

    But I wouldn't underestimate how much of the UKIP vote in southern England was formerly Labour or LibDem and anti-Conservative and is now moving to Labour for that reason.
    I am convinced despite the received wisdom here on PB, that many UKIPers are returning to Labour.

    It is very reminiscent of Black voters in 2008 leaving Hillary for Obama once they began to realise the he could actually win.
    Yeah the anti immigration Little Englanders were just waiting for a multi culti loving IRA supporter to come along
    They also like nationalisation and an insurgent outsider...
    Yes the 15% UKIP-to-Lab movements recorded a couple of weeks ago were notable for being higher than the Lab/Tory traffic.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    calum said:
    72% of the sample watched the debate?

    Hm.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    SeanT said:

    C'mon ICM, we need another calming Tory lead, say, 9 points?

    I'm trimming my Con majority to just 98 .... :sunglasses:
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Here's a thought. In the old days of phone polling, the polls used to get done over a period of several days. This one is done "in a morning". I wonder if the dramatically reduced polling periods these days may have their own effects on polling outcomes, and making them ever more "self selecting, first come first serve".
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    Saltire said:

    DavidL said:

    Saltire said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Have to say so far this is a hell of a game. The EPL has a lot of catching up to do.

    what about the scottish premiership?
    My team cannot even reach the giddy heights of the SPL having lost in the playoff. Its painful.
    I knew that you were a decent bloke, the fact that you are a fellow Arab proves it!
    I was there when we beat Barca home and away. And in both legs of the EUFA Cup final. And when we beat Borussia 5-0. Those were the days.
    Rather envious of people a little older than myself as I was too young to go on my own. Pretty good Barca team back then with Hughes and Lineker up front and El Tel as the manager.
    ET go home banner, Hughes, what a waste of money sung all night.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,220
    RobD said:

    calum said:
    72% of the sample watched the debate?

    Hm.
    Surely that would sound alarm bells with the pollster?
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    The_MuleThe_Mule Posts: 9

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    Same poll says Corbyn "won" the QT debate - ie among the 72% who watched, 36% said it made them more likely to vote Labour, 24% less (+12)

    72% of the Survation poll watched QT...

    What was it some people on here have been saying about polls polling only the politically engaged?

    Magnifico Giganticus
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    tlg86 said:

    RobD said:

    calum said:
    72% of the sample watched the debate?

    Hm.
    Surely that would sound alarm bells with the pollster?
    That should be ringing huge alarm bells, especially given the viewing figures at large.
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Alistair said:

    So Sturgeon was visiting Ayrshire constituencies. I may regret not placing those long odd bets after all.

    She was also in Biggar today which is in DCT...
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,154
    calum said:
    Wasn't viewing figures about 4 million ?

    Whatever it was 72% of voters did not watch it.

    That's a major sampling error.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    SeanT said:

    FFS

    If I (a Labour voter and volunteer) promise you that the Tories are going to get a majority of 50+ will you believe me and spend the next few days in calm repose? And is that reassurance worth a free signed copy of your latest book? :)
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,506
    kjohnw said:

    is it worth me getting my €'s for my holiday now or after June 8th?

    Not that is a seriously good question. Off to Portugal first week in July.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,321
    Less than 10% of the population watched the QT debate live on BBC1.

    Even adding in those who saw clips on news etc the total number could not be more than about 25% maximum.

    So if 72% claim to have watched it there is a massive problem.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,027
    The_Mule said:


    Faisal Islam‏Verified account
    @faisalislam
    Following
    More
    Same poll says Corbyn "won" the QT debate - ie among the 72% who watched, 36% said it made them more likely to vote Labour, 24% less (+12)

    72% of the Survation poll watched QT...

    What was it some people on here have been saying about polls polling only the politically engaged?

    Magnifico Giganticus

    Lòooooool We KNOW this is wrong.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Enjoying the popcorn everyone?

    I am working very hard this week. Including conference and Black Tie dinner Friday up at the Crieff Hydro. Where I intend to get blootered celebrating the "shock" Labour win

    The Survation poll is saying 72% of their sample watched the QT debate. 72% of this country/electorate did not watch the debate. We know this because of the viewing figures it got.

    Calm down.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Lol poll chaos! WTF is going on???
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Just noticed BTsport are showing Juve-Real for free. Why didn't someone say?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911
    surbiton said:
    lol or watched the QT debate whist consuming a full bottle of Bacardi
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    isam said:

    SeanT said:
    Haha

    I reckons the pollsters are all just making the numbers up for a laugh. They might as well

    Analysis is futile
    They carried out a poll in one morning....that's not going to have any methodological errors is it?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    If Corbyn denies May a bigger majority, this will be the greatest campaign in the history of British politics.

    I just don't see it. But hey ho, at least it's not dull.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038

    calum said:
    Wasn't viewing figures about 4 million ?

    Whatever it was 72% of voters did not watch it.

    That's a major sampling error.
    Good spot.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    calum said:
    72% of the sample watched the debate?

    Hm.
    Is that what he's saying? If he is, then the poll is junk.
    I can't read it any other way. Among the 72% that watched. I thought it might have been the sum of more and less, but that only gets to 60, so it isn't a DK thing.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,380

    Where the hell is John Curtice during this psephological omnishambles?

    Some intense personal grooming for the week ahead?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    Where the hell is John Curtice during this psephological omnishambles?

    Some intense personal grooming for the week ahead?
    And mess up the disheveled academic look? Never!
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,942
    edited June 2017
    Survation!!!!!!!!! :open_mouth:

    #MegaPollingSaturday
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    My guess is that YouGov continues to show a narrowing, Conservative lead down to something like 8 with ICM.

    And I will be worried yet again.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    isam said:
    Young people matter, unless they disagree with me and Marxist views. Then they don't matter.

    That Survation poll is garbage - 72% LOL BYE.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    DavidL said:

    kjohnw said:

    is it worth me getting my €'s for my holiday now or after June 8th?

    Not that is a seriously good question. Off to Portugal first week in July.
    just how much will the pound tank if we get a shock Corbyn win?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,689

    Where the hell is John Curtice during this psephological omnishambles?

    Working on the exit poll
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    The_MuleThe_Mule Posts: 9
    alex. said:

    Just noticed BTsport are showing Juve-Real for free. Why didn't someone say?

    They are also showing it on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycbboXDO2kA

    Magnifico Giganticus
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,010
    Jonathan said:

    If Corbyn denies May a bigger majority, this will be the greatest campaign in the history of British politics.

    I just don't see it. But hey ho, at least it's not dull.

    My EMA (exponential moving average) model now has Con maj at 38.

    Con 44% Lab 36%
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Cosmic said:

    I've been thinking about all the talk of Corbyn having a great campaign and May having a crap one. Is this really the case?

    We pretty much knew what may was like as soon as she took over as PM. Awkward interviews, overruling cabinet ministers, unclear/poorly leaked policies like grammar schools and an actual U-turn on the business rates.

    Despite this, she remained fairly popular with the public, with leads from 10-25%. What's more, the real results, such as the local elections and the by-election gain confirmed that this was real.

    On the other hand, Corbyn was always fairly confident giving speeches and debating, because he's been doing it for so long, and he believes in most of what he is selling. The contents of the manifesto, i.e. poorly costed giveaways, had always been one of his selling points.

    So if the campaigns haven't really given us any new information, why have the polls (and possibly voting behaviour) changed so much?

    In my opinion, it's the media. The Tories were on course for a crushing victory and remained in that position for about a month. This makes for extremely boring media coverage, so all but the most right-wing media have been much more critical of May (and to a lesser extent, more generous to Corbyn). The fact that impartiality rules kick in for TV coverage also affects things.

    So my point is that we're seeing the same May and Corbyn that we did for months before with the big leads, but now the media is trying to make things more interesting with much more May scrutiny. For example, the amount of coverage given to 'Garden tax' vs. 'Dementia tax'.

    It is only June 3rd. We already can announce the silliest post of the year. It is the Meejia's fault !
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    Where the hell is John Curtice during this psephological omnishambles?

    Working on the exit poll
    Before the election is underway? :p
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    edited June 2017
    6% swing in a matter of days when both reds and blues have had a tricky week? Forgive my skepticism. If the survation poll suggests 72% of those polled watched QT then clearly we have a very poor representative sample, I would also think the general consensus was a narrow May QT victory rather than a clear Corbyn win.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Ashley_J_Kirk: NEW ORB #GeneralElection2017 poll:

    Conservatives' lead nudges up to 9 points.

    Con 45% (+1)
    Lab 36% (-2)

    #GeneralElection pic.twitter.com/Isc3bDuVvu
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    These pollsters don't know shit anymore LOL. +6, +12, +1 leads for the Conservatives.

    Weren't Survation the people telling us that 82% of 18-24-year-olds say that are certain to vote, when only 66% of us are registered (that we know of?)

    Yes.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,689
    edited June 2017
    Jonathan said:

    If Corbyn denies May a bigger majority, this will be the greatest campaign in the history of British politics.

    I just don't see it. But hey ho, at least it's not dull.

    Put it this way, no political or polling nerd is going to bed early on Thursday night
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Scott_P said:

    @Ashley_J_Kirk: NEW ORB #GeneralElection2017 poll:

    Conservatives' lead nudges up to 9 points.

    Con 45% (+1)
    Lab 36% (-2)

    #GeneralElection pic.twitter.com/Isc3bDuVvu

    Ahhhhh :)
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    SeanT said:
    Done entirely this morning? That sounds, err, risky.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    PB Tories: pause your bed-wetting!
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,338
    This is terrible. We're just a higher youth turnout away from PM Corbyn. Theresa has to do something to appease the young - reinstate that educational payment Dave scrapped and they all rioted over; a free copy of the Beano. Anything!
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Scott_P said:

    @Ashley_J_Kirk: NEW ORB #GeneralElection2017 poll:

    Conservatives' lead nudges up to 9 points.

    Con 45% (+1)
    Lab 36% (-2)

    #GeneralElection pic.twitter.com/Isc3bDuVvu

    what. the. actual. fuck.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,689
    The 72% is seen or heard something about the debate. NOT 72% watched it
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    Scott_P said:

    @Ashley_J_Kirk: NEW ORB #GeneralElection2017 poll:

    Conservatives' lead nudges up to 9 points.

    Con 45% (+1)
    Lab 36% (-2)

    #GeneralElection pic.twitter.com/Isc3bDuVvu

    Tory surge.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Jonathan said:

    If Corbyn denies May a bigger majority, this will be the greatest campaign in the history of British politics.

    I just don't see it. But hey ho, at least it's not dull.

    Put it this way, no polling nerd is going to bed early on Thursday night
    They wouldn't anyway, even in 1997.
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    valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 605
    alex. said:

    Just noticed BTsport are showing Juve-Real for free. Why didn't someone say?

    Oops sorry. watching it on you tube while keeping an eye on polling figures on this site.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Scott_P said:

    @Ashley_J_Kirk: NEW ORB #GeneralElection2017 poll:

    Conservatives' lead nudges up to 9 points.

    Con 45% (+1)
    Lab 36% (-2)

    #GeneralElection pic.twitter.com/Isc3bDuVvu

    They are herding to 9%. I think that is where ICM will be ending at.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    The 72% is seen or heard something about the debate. NOT 72% watched it

    Still, that's an awfully large figure.
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Scott_P said:

    @Ashley_J_Kirk: NEW ORB #GeneralElection2017 poll:

    Conservatives' lead nudges up to 9 points.

    Con 45% (+1)
    Lab 36% (-2)

    #GeneralElection pic.twitter.com/Isc3bDuVvu

    ORB gold standard! I think this is the closest to where we actually stand. Interestingly first poll in a long time with a move towards the blues.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    isam said:

    SeanT said:
    Haha

    I reckons the pollsters are all just making the numbers up for a laugh. They might as well

    Analysis is futile
    Yeah, to you can't put this down to political anoraks giving funny answers.

    What you can put it down to I have no clue.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Scott_P said:

    @Ashley_J_Kirk: NEW ORB #GeneralElection2017 poll:

    Conservatives' lead nudges up to 9 points.

    Con 45% (+1)
    Lab 36% (-2)

    #GeneralElection pic.twitter.com/Isc3bDuVvu

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHHA

    @TheScreamingEagles That's still a sample which is way too politically engaged. Anyway, with the ORB poll here it's clear that this Survation poll is a huge outlier.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,942
    Scott_P said:

    @Ashley_J_Kirk: NEW ORB #GeneralElection2017 poll:

    Conservatives' lead nudges up to 9 points.

    Con 45% (+1)
    Lab 36% (-2)

    #GeneralElection pic.twitter.com/Isc3bDuVvu

    ORB looks landslidey?????
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    The only palace Jezza will be going to is when the Arsenal supporting LotO visits Crystal Palace.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Brom said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Ashley_J_Kirk: NEW ORB #GeneralElection2017 poll:

    Conservatives' lead nudges up to 9 points.

    Con 45% (+1)
    Lab 36% (-2)

    #GeneralElection pic.twitter.com/Isc3bDuVvu

    ORB gold standard! I think this is the closest to where we actually stand. Interestingly first poll in a long time with a move towards the blues.
    Swiiinnnggggg baaaaccccckkkkkk.... *ahem*
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    RobD said:

    Where the hell is John Curtice during this psephological omnishambles?

    Working on the exit poll
    Before the election is underway? :p
    But it is under way 15% have already voted
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Scott_P said:

    @Ashley_J_Kirk: NEW ORB #GeneralElection2017 poll:

    Conservatives' lead nudges up to 9 points.

    Con 45% (+1)
    Lab 36% (-2)

    #GeneralElection pic.twitter.com/Isc3bDuVvu

    LAB UP 3 ... twitter ... lol
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,220
    edited June 2017
    Correction from Faisal:

    sorry correction 72% "had seen or heard something about the debate". my fault
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Mortimer said:

    kle4 said:

    Perception perception perception. As Farron put it, May might be outside your house, sizing up your house right now!

    Has anyone heard anyone but a cynical opponent suggest that? Just spent the week at Olympia with asset-rich baby boomers. To a man (and woman!) they supported it.../blockquote>

    You are forgetting, Mr Mortimer. Baby boomers are still young enough to think that dementia will never happen to them.... But on current figures, it will hit one in six of them....
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Where the hell is John Curtice during this psephological omnishambles?

    Working on the exit poll
    Before the election is underway? :p
    But it is under way 15% have already voted
    Good point, there will be surveys to measure postal votes.
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Survation Scotland poll should be interesting !
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Pollsters are guessing this one. What a joke.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    ORB Gold Standard ! panic over (until Yougov)
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Bath constituency
    Told lib Dems are bleeding votes to labour. Tory hold
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    StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    Enjoying the popcorn everyone?

    I am working very hard this week. Including conference and Black Tie dinner Friday up at the Crieff Hydro. Where I intend to get blootered celebrating the "shock" Labour win

    The Survation poll is saying 72% of their sample watched the QT debate. 72% of this country/electorate did not watch the debate. We know this because of the viewing figures it got.

    Calm down.
    Is that before or after weighting?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Brom said:

    6% swing in a matter of days when both reds and blues have had a tricky week? Forgive my skepticism. If the survation poll suggests 72% of those polled watched QT then clearly we have a very poor representative sample, I would also think the general consensus was a narrow May QT victory rather than a clear Corbyn win.

    I don't think they are saying that. I believe 72% are/were aware of what happened. Watched or heard about it.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    kjohnw said:

    DavidL said:

    kjohnw said:

    is it worth me getting my €'s for my holiday now or after June 8th?

    Not that is a seriously good question. Off to Portugal first week in July.
    just how much will the pound tank if we get a shock Corbyn win?
    Parity with the Bolivar?
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    alex. said:

    Just noticed BTsport are showing Juve-Real for free. Why didn't someone say?

    They never advertise in advance either - I'm in the office, would have gone home had it been on the TV guide >:(
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    GIN1138 said:


    ORB looks landslidey?????

    Gives Con 360, Lab217.

    That's pretty much identical to all the current (non-yougov models) are suggesting:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017#Predictions_one_week_before_the_vote
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Barnesian said:

    Jonathan said:

    If Corbyn denies May a bigger majority, this will be the greatest campaign in the history of British politics.

    I just don't see it. But hey ho, at least it's not dull.

    My EMA (exponential moving average) model now has Con maj at 38.

    Con 44% Lab 36%
    Of course, with differential swings in different regions. Anything could happen.
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    24 mins until YouGov :(
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Enjoying the popcorn everyone?

    I am working very hard this week. Including conference and Black Tie dinner Friday up at the Crieff Hydro. Where I intend to get blootered celebrating the "shock" Labour win

    The Survation poll is saying 72% of their sample watched the QT debate. 72% of this country/electorate did not watch the debate. We know this because of the viewing figures it got.

    Calm down.
    Is that before or after weighting?
    After weighting. It's now that 72% had heard/seen the debate, which is still an incredibly politically engaged sample.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,506
    Saltire said:

    DavidL said:

    Saltire said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Have to say so far this is a hell of a game. The EPL has a lot of catching up to do.

    what about the scottish premiership?
    My team cannot even reach the giddy heights of the SPL having lost in the playoff. Its painful.
    I knew that you were a decent bloke, the fact that you are a fellow Arab proves it!
    I was there when we beat Barca home and away. And in both legs of the EUFA Cup final. And when we beat Borussia 5-0. Those were the days.
    Rather envious of people a little older than myself as I was too young to go on my own. Pretty good Barca team back then with Hughes and Lineker up front and El Tel as the manager.
    Aye but we had Luggie and Elephant Man. Oh and Eammon Bannon, a really capable player. God knows what he would have earned these days. The thing I remember most of those days was Hamish McAlpine conducting the choirs from pretty much the half way circle, so confident were United of keeping the ball.

    Damn. 2-1 Real.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,443
    edited June 2017

    Enjoying the popcorn everyone?

    I am working very hard this week. Including conference and Black Tie dinner Friday up at the Crieff Hydro. Where I intend to get blootered celebrating the "shock" Labour win

    The Survation poll is saying 72% of their sample watched the QT debate. 72% of this country/electorate did not watch the debate. We know this because of the viewing figures it got.

    Calm down.
    I am calm. The Tories will probably win because no poll lead that big has ever been overturned that quickly. It almost certainly won't happen. But that it could happen, and that the Labour surge is either sweeping you away or a phantom is shitting you and PB Tories up and it's funny.

    This should have been a coronation. May was so strong. Jeremy shot British soldiers in Ireland or something. A landslide if there ever was to be one. That pants are being trollied shows how much of an epic fail this Tory campaign has been.
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    Whispering Oracle current prediction - Tory maj of 15-40, depending on the youth turnout.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Enjoying the popcorn everyone?

    I am working very hard this week. Including conference and Black Tie dinner Friday up at the Crieff Hydro. Where I intend to get blootered celebrating the "shock" Labour win

    The Survation poll is saying 72% of their sample watched the QT debate. 72% of this country/electorate did not watch the debate. We know this because of the viewing figures it got.

    Calm down.
    It means that isam's theory that only the politically engaged do polls is correct.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    jonny83 said:

    24 mins until YouGov :(

    ICM at ten too, with their "intriguing" figures.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,837
    One takeaway from the Survation tables is a sharp gender divide. 34% of females will vote Conservative; 47% Labour. 46% of males will vote Conservative; 31% Labour.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,443
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,380
    edited June 2017
    RobD said:

    The 72% is seen or heard something about the debate. NOT 72% watched it

    Still, that's an awfully large figure.
    It was on all the media I encountered over the last couple of days.
    Maybe Radio 3 listeners were given a let off.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,010
    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    C'mon ICM, we need another calming Tory lead, say, 9 points?

    Their numbers are "intriguing".. whatever that means.
    I think the last ICM had a Con lead of 14%. I suspect intriguing means a maintained high lead of say 12% against expectations.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @WikiGuido: Some talk Corbyn was being lined up for Marr tomorrow but Labour then decided to put McDonnell up instead. A bad Sunday story coming up...
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    isamisam Posts: 41,043
    edited June 2017
    Alistair said:

    isam said:

    SeanT said:
    Haha

    I reckons the pollsters are all just making the numbers up for a laugh. They might as well

    Analysis is futile
    Yeah, to you can't put this down to political anoraks giving funny answers.

    What you can put it down to I have no clue.
    You can if you don't think 72% of the country saw or heard about the debate
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    ORB gold standard!!!!!!!!
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911
    Brom said:

    6% swing in a matter of days when both reds and blues have had a tricky week? Forgive my skepticism. If the survation poll suggests 72% of those polled watched QT then clearly we have a very poor representative sample, I would also think the general consensus was a narrow May QT victory rather than a clear Corbyn win.

    From the bottom of my Litre of Bacardi she won.

    Now i am sober
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Ave_it said:

    ORB gold standard!!!!!!!!

    There was no doubt.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    I went to the supermarket this morning. Popcorn was out of stock...
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,506
    The_Mule said:


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    Same poll says Corbyn "won" the QT debate - ie among the 72% who watched, 36% said it made them more likely to vote Labour, 24% less (+12)

    72% of the Survation poll watched QT...

    What was it some people on here have been saying about polls polling only the politically engaged?

    Magnifico Giganticus

    Asimov/Foundation fan? If so an even warmer welcome.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Wish Depeche mode would play some hits! The polls are more exciting!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Scott_P said:

    I went to the supermarket this morning. Popcorn was out of stock...

    Did you pick up those pampers I asked for? :smiley:
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    glwglw Posts: 9,556

    The 72% is seen or heard something about the debate. NOT 72% watched it

    Well that makes more sense, but even 72% hearing about it sounds high to me.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,689
    Spare a thought for the poor sod who has two write the Sunday morning thread.

    He likes to write said thread between 9pm and 11pm on Saturday nights
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