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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Latest Twitter rumours say Orb Lab up 3



    Twitter rumours usually wrong thouh

    Sounds like it's coming from this account: https://twitter.com/maddtabb/with_replies

    Though he keeps on arguing that the Telegraph have tweeted it - which I haven't seen.
    He's talking crap, he's talking about this BEFORE turnout adjustments.

    https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/870971875698114560
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    jonny83 said:

    ICM with interesting numbers apparently. Perhaps also a narrowing?

    https://twitter.com/DavidWooding/status/871082458829160449
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,978
    alex. said:

    jonny83 said:

    ICM with interesting numbers apparently. Perhaps also a narrowing?

    Would that be interesting?
    Guess we'd expect a narrowing...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    edited June 2017
    nunu said:

    Latest Twitter rumours say Orb Lab up 3



    Twitter rumours usually wrong thouh

    Sounds like it's coming from this account: https://twitter.com/maddtabb/with_replies

    Though he keeps on arguing that the Telegraph have tweeted it - which I haven't seen.
    He's talking crap, he's talking about this BEFORE turnout adjustments.

    https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/870971875698114560
    lol... "in new unadjusted poll"
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    DavidL said:

    Have to say so far this is a hell of a game. The EPL has a lot of catching up to do.

    what about the scottish premiership?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,321
    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    Hanretty has LD winning Orkney & Shetland but losing Westmoreland.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...
    Both the Tory and Labour votes were down in Edinburgh Western last year. The former is quite remarkable when you think about the difference in Conservative Scottish opinion polls between 2016 and 2012. A substantial minority of Scottish Unionists are willing to vote tactically for the LibDems to keep the SNP out.

    The LDs did extremely well in Edinburgh West in the locals last month too. My guess would be LDs 21,000 votes, SNP 16,000, Con and Lab about 4,000 apiece.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,837
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...

    Edit. The Tories are in SW of course.
    It looks a bit like a non-aggression pact. Parties have candidates in each other's patches but they are not trying very hard. I am in Edinburgh South. The SNP are ramping up their activity now but they have left it late. Maybe they are more confident of holding Edinburgh SW. They don't lack for activists though
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    RobD said:
    Remember the Wales poll that was 'historic'?

    Feel that Wooding was a bit ambiguous there 'intriguing' numbers could mean anything really. I would be shocked though if there wasn't a narrowing or that TMay's ratings weren't down.
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    valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 605
    MikeL said:

    Hanretty also has Con losing Preseli Pembroke - like YouGov.

    Also Clwyd West - which Con won by 18% in 2015.

    Been canvassing today in Preseli. Yep loads of surprising Corbyn supporters and Crabb not popular, but surely not enough to cause a shock.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    Look at the sky news front page.

    Tory Leader refuses to rule out tax rise

    Socialist Leader of the opposition challenges Tory Leader on hoome grabbing policy.

    Crap. Crap. Crap. How she still has a lead beggars belief.

    http://news.sky.com/

    She still has a lead because Jeremy Corbyn said a few months ago that he didn't believe in shooting terrorists (amongst other things).
    That really is the long and short of it. Despite the fact that Corbyn has come across much better than May during the campaign, there is no escaping the fact that in the polling booth most voters will feel that Corbyn does not offer them the security they crave.
    Security? or kicking the establishment in the arse? the latter won a year ago...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    MikeL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    Hanretty has LD winning Orkney & Shetland but losing Westmoreland.
    He didn't yesterday!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    nunu said:
    One of the replies to that...

    It's for the shy Tory voters to come out to bugger up the nation's future

    Yes :naughty:
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,503

    DavidL said:

    Have to say so far this is a hell of a game. The EPL has a lot of catching up to do.

    what about the scottish premiership?
    My team cannot even reach the giddy heights of the SPL having lost in the playoff. Its painful.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,196

    jonny83 said:

    ICM with interesting numbers apparently. Perhaps also a narrowing?

    https://twitter.com/DavidWooding/status/871082458829160449
    And if that's not exciting enough for you, at 22.07 SpaceX might be launching a rocket to the ISS, and landing the first stage (I think on land). It'l be telecast at www.spacex.com, although there's a good chance it'll be scrubbed due to the weather.

    Polls and rockets. What more does a man want? ;)
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    nunu said:
    YouGov are gonna lead to such bedwetting that Pampers will have to make extra deliveries to PB Tories....
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    nichomar said:

    I know that Scotland offers betting opportunities but come on its less than 10% of the seats up so why the obsession? Seen this on other sites as well.

    Slightly crucial to the fate of the UK.
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    RhubarbRhubarb Posts: 359
    Apparently we need to invest in another klaxon.

    https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/871083640498909185
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,739
    AnneJGP said:

    kle4 said:

    My biggest fear about Mrs May's crap performance is that she might have undone all the good work of Ruth Davidson.

    I suspect we'll be seeing a lot more "will Ruth be the next Tory leader?" articles after next Thursday.
    If May does poorly to middling and SCON advance well, probably, at first. As has been advanced although it would be interesting to see what she might do, but is probably a bad idea.

    But she is young, with plenty of time ahead. So if she is ever asked I guess she should just say she is planning to be First Minister (no laughing at the back, it's a theoretical aspiration even though it won't happen) and that is all she is focused on, without ruling out transitioning to Westminster at some point. After all, she could be First Minister (I said no laughing, it's just a hypothetical!) for a spell, then move on to Westminster to advance the cause there.
    Well, if the Conservatives do go into Opposition, there's no reason why the party leader should be an MP. It's fully accepted that Ms Sturgeon is SNP leader and she's not an MP. Just need a deputy leader to perform Commons functions.

    Good evening, everyone.
    "there's no reason why the party leader should be an MP."
    George Osborne?
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    I won't even try and predict this election having believed the lib Dems couldn't fall below 30 seats, that Leicester city couldn't win the premier league, that we would vote remain and that trump couldn't win. I assume someone out there managed three out of four?
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    DougieDougie Posts: 57
    edited June 2017
    DavidL said:



    It looks a bit like a non-aggression pact. Parties have candidates in each other's patches but they are not trying very hard. I am in Edinburgh South. The SNP are ramping up their activity now but they have left it late. Maybe they are more confident of holding Edinburgh SW. They don't lack for activists though

    There also appear to be a fair few Tory canvassers and activists out and about in Edinburgh North and Leith.

    Incidentally there was a mention earlier of the outcome in East Renfrewshire being in the balance. The swing to the Conservatives in 2016 in that seat was relatively low (although they gained it) so I wouldn't be surprised if the Tories underperformed there, while seeing very large swings to them across Perthshire and the north east.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,503
    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...

    Edit. The Tories are in SW of course.
    It looks a bit like a non-aggression pact. Parties have candidates in each other's patches but they are not trying very hard. I am in Edinburgh South. The SNP are ramping up their activity now but they have left it late. Maybe they are more confident of holding Edinburgh SW. They don't lack for activists though
    It does. Unfortunately the Tories probably have the toughest egg to crack. Joanna Cherry even has the completely untypical advantage of being competent. I will be both shocked and delighted if that comes off.
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    PaulMPaulM Posts: 613
    HYUFD said:

    Regional figures

    Comres vs 2015

    North East
    Tories 38% +13%
    Labour 49% +2%
    LD 8% -1%

    North West
    Tories 45% +14%
    Labour 44% -1%
    LD 7% n/c

    Yorkshire and Humber
    Tories 48% +16%
    Labour 43% +4%
    LD 4% -3%

    West Midlands
    Tories 50% +9%
    Labour 37% +5%
    LD 4% -2%

    East Midlands
    Tories 56% +13%
    Labour 30% -2%
    LD 9% +4%

    East
    Tories 56% +7%
    Labour 29% +7%
    LD 8% n/c

    London
    Tories 39% +4%
    Labour 46%+2%
    LD 6% -2%

    South East
    Tories 51% n/c
    Labour 28% +10%
    LD 12% +3%

    South West
    Tories 51% +5%
    Labour 30% +13%
    LD 16% +1%

    Scotland
    Tories 32% +17%
    Labour 15% -9%
    SNP 40% -10%
    LD 9% +2%

    Wales
    Tories 43% +16%
    Labour 32% -5%
    LD 6% n/c


    I just put in the change since 2015. Find it hard to believe that the Tories could be flat in the South East and up mid teens in the North
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    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Have to say so far this is a hell of a game. The EPL has a lot of catching up to do.

    what about the scottish premiership?
    My team cannot even reach the giddy heights of the SPL having lost in the playoff. Its painful.
    the falkirk fan at work was not happy about losing to you :D
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,321
    edited June 2017
    YouGov's 50,000 panel updated today has Con +4 (unchanged) so surely would be a major surprise for YouGov to suddenly show a big movement in a separate poll released on the same day.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,378
    valleyboy said:

    MikeL said:

    Hanretty also has Con losing Preseli Pembroke - like YouGov.

    Also Clwyd West - which Con won by 18% in 2015.

    Been canvassing today in Preseli. Yep loads of surprising Corbyn supporters and Crabb not popular, but surely not enough to cause a shock.
    Just back from a view days down that way, Valley, and what a beautiful part of the country.

    Many, many Crabb posters and no sign of any opposition. Just can't see him losing.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    MikeL said:

    YouGov's 50,000 panel updated today has Con +4 (unchanged) so surely would be a major surprise for YouGov to suddenly show a big movement in a separate poll released on the same day.

    This panel poll cannot show dramatic difference from yesterday as only 7000 out of 50000 changes. Maximum could be 1%.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,220
    valleyboy said:

    MikeL said:

    Hanretty also has Con losing Preseli Pembroke - like YouGov.

    Also Clwyd West - which Con won by 18% in 2015.

    Been canvassing today in Preseli. Yep loads of surprising Corbyn supporters and Crabb not popular, but surely not enough to cause a shock.
    That's an interesting seat. No Green this time but that hospital campaigning independent is standing again.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,503
    Dougie said:

    DavidL said:



    It looks a bit like a non-aggression pact. Parties have candidates in each other's patches but they are not trying very hard. I am in Edinburgh South. The SNP are ramping up their activity now but they have left it late. Maybe they are more confident of holding Edinburgh SW. They don't lack for activists though

    There also appear to be a fair few Tory canvassers and activists out and about in Edinburgh North and Leith.

    Incidentally there was a mention earlier of the outcome in East Renfrewshire being in the balance. The swing to the Conservatives in 2016 in that seat was relatively low (although they gained it) so I wouldn't be surprised if the Tories underperformed there, while seeing very large swings to them across Perthshire and the north east.

    The Tory vote there was seriously depressed in 2015 by tactical voting for Murphy. I think the underlying vote there is better for the Tories than it looks.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Have to say so far this is a hell of a game. The EPL has a lot of catching up to do.

    what about the scottish premiership?
    My team cannot even reach the giddy heights of the SPL having lost in the playoff. Its painful.
    Leicester City made it to the quarters this year, and made Atletico work for it.

    Both Sevilla and Atletico were class acts to watch.
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    One more push...
    If things continue the way they are going then anybody who is a member of the Conservative party or UKIP should be getting worried...
    'First they came for the Tories, then the UKIPpers, then the....' etc
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    PaulM said:

    HYUFD said:

    Regional figures

    Comres vs 2015

    North East
    Tories 38% +13%
    Labour 49% +2%
    LD 8% -1%

    North West
    Tories 45% +14%
    Labour 44% -1%
    LD 7% n/c

    Yorkshire and Humber
    Tories 48% +16%
    Labour 43% +4%
    LD 4% -3%

    West Midlands
    Tories 50% +9%
    Labour 37% +5%
    LD 4% -2%

    East Midlands
    Tories 56% +13%
    Labour 30% -2%
    LD 9% +4%

    East
    Tories 56% +7%
    Labour 29% +7%
    LD 8% n/c

    London
    Tories 39% +4%
    Labour 46%+2%
    LD 6% -2%

    South East
    Tories 51% n/c
    Labour 28% +10%
    LD 12% +3%

    South West
    Tories 51% +5%
    Labour 30% +13%
    LD 16% +1%

    Scotland
    Tories 32% +17%
    Labour 15% -9%
    SNP 40% -10%
    LD 9% +2%

    Wales
    Tories 43% +16%
    Labour 32% -5%
    LD 6% n/c


    I just put in the change since 2015. Find it hard to believe that the Tories could be flat in the South East and up mid teens in the North
    Is Labour finally becoming the second party in the South West. Ed Miliband's organisational network beginning to work .
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Have to say so far this is a hell of a game. The EPL has a lot of catching up to do.

    what about the scottish premiership?
    My team cannot even reach the giddy heights of the SPL having lost in the playoff. Its painful.
    I knew that you were a decent bloke, the fact that you are a fellow Arab proves it!
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,837
    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...

    Edit. The Tories are in SW of course.
    It looks a bit like a non-aggression pact. Parties have candidates in each other's patches but they are not trying very hard. I am in Edinburgh South. The SNP are ramping up their activity now but they have left it late. Maybe they are more confident of holding Edinburgh SW. They don't lack for activists though
    It does. Unfortunately the Tories probably have the toughest egg to crack. Joanna Cherry even has the completely untypical advantage of being competent. I will be both shocked and delighted if that comes off.
    I assume if Mrs Cherry does lose she has a good chance of being parachuted into Holyrood via the list. Which could be a good thing. That parliament lacks legal expertise, especially in the SNP chairs.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,503
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...
    Both the Tory and Labour votes were down in Edinburgh Western last year. The former is quite remarkable when you think about the difference in Conservative Scottish opinion polls between 2016 and 2012. A substantial minority of Scottish Unionists are willing to vote tactically for the LibDems to keep the SNP out.

    The LDs did extremely well in Edinburgh West in the locals last month too. My guess would be LDs 21,000 votes, SNP 16,000, Con and Lab about 4,000 apiece.
    Edinburgh Lib Dems I speak to are very confident. I hope they are right.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Cyan said:


    Tories should indeed be frightened :)

    Having been a grumpy git for years regarding the Facebooky phone-pickers called "young people", I will be OVERJOYED if this demographic gets off its butt and delivers the country the best PM we will have had since Clement Attlee.

    Thirty years ago, Jeremy Corbyn was wrong about Northern Ireland. Other failings of the Labour manifesto - such as doing little to reverse Tory trade union laws, not promising to raise inheritance tax and income tax for the rich as high as we might wish, backing a replacement for Trident, not clearly denouncing the existence of the fascist regime called Israel, and not attacking the private schools in any other way than making them charge VAT - can be put down to the compromises Corbyn has had to make with scumbags to get where he is. If politics is the art of compromise, he has performed superbly. If he is obliged to make a deal with Nicola Sturgeon, and perhaps also with Tim Farron, to form a government, I have full confidence that he will. His competence leaves thug-liar-buffoons like Boris Johnson, mere buffoons like Michael Fallon, and empty sloganeers like Theresa May, completely in the shade. Want a good "deal" with EU27? Corbyn is our man.

    This is why the Tories hate his guts. James Callagan, John Smith, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Margaret Beckett, Ed Miliband - none received anything like this amount of hatred. Not even Neil Kinnock did, at the height of the Ice Maiden's reign of terror. Harold Wilson was hated, but behind the hatred for him was the visceral and secular Tory hate for British men who dig coal out of the ground. Michael Foot was hated for his principles, but as a past president of the Oxford Union not on the same level as Jeremy Corbyn. Denis Healey promised to tax the rich "until the pips squeak", but he didn't really mean it and deep down the rich knew it.

    The Tories f***ed up with Brexit, they f***ed up with calling this election, their cabinet has the putrid smell that John Major's cabinet had before the 1997 election...and I remain optimistic.

    Hole the Tory campaign with a couple of big propaganda hits (white, grey, black, whatever works) between now and Tuesday - or even a single enormous one - and we've won.

    Praise Marx and pass the ammunition.



    LOL. I really am going to enjoy your pain on Friday morning. If those are your views then you deserve all the angst and disappointment you are going to get.
    Yeah, but as a rant, you have to admit it was SeanT class, Richard.

    Nice to know more than one PBer can do it.
    It wasn't in SeanTs league.

    This was just a crappy partisan whinge. No wonder you related to it.
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    MikeL said:

    YouGov's 50,000 panel updated today has Con +4 (unchanged) so surely would be a major surprise for YouGov to suddenly show a big movement in a separate poll released on the same day.

    Is showing the Tory seat estimate at its lowest since they started doing this.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,154
    PaulM said:

    HYUFD said:

    Regional figures

    Comres vs 2015

    North East
    Tories 38% +13%
    Labour 49% +2%
    LD 8% -1%

    North West
    Tories 45% +14%
    Labour 44% -1%
    LD 7% n/c

    Yorkshire and Humber
    Tories 48% +16%
    Labour 43% +4%
    LD 4% -3%

    West Midlands
    Tories 50% +9%
    Labour 37% +5%
    LD 4% -2%

    East Midlands
    Tories 56% +13%
    Labour 30% -2%
    LD 9% +4%

    East
    Tories 56% +7%
    Labour 29% +7%
    LD 8% n/c

    London
    Tories 39% +4%
    Labour 46%+2%
    LD 6% -2%

    South East
    Tories 51% n/c
    Labour 28% +10%
    LD 12% +3%

    South West
    Tories 51% +5%
    Labour 30% +13%
    LD 16% +1%

    Scotland
    Tories 32% +17%
    Labour 15% -9%
    SNP 40% -10%
    LD 9% +2%

    Wales
    Tories 43% +16%
    Labour 32% -5%
    LD 6% n/c


    I just put in the change since 2015. Find it hard to believe that the Tories could be flat in the South East and up mid teens in the North
    Subsamples are often likely to produce strange results - the Conservatives are not on 43% in Wales for example.

    But I wouldn't underestimate how much of the UKIP vote in southern England was formerly Labour or LibDem and anti-Conservative and is now moving to Labour for that reason.
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    valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 605

    valleyboy said:

    MikeL said:

    Hanretty also has Con losing Preseli Pembroke - like YouGov.

    Also Clwyd West - which Con won by 18% in 2015.

    Been canvassing today in Preseli. Yep loads of surprising Corbyn supporters and Crabb not popular, but surely not enough to cause a shock.
    Just back from a view days down that way, Valley, and what a beautiful part of the country.

    Many, many Crabb posters and no sign of any opposition. Just can't see him losing.
    Yes Crabb posters in the farmers fields along the a40 a bit deceptive, you will find many labour posters in the towns, but i agree Crabb will win.
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    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...

    Edit. The Tories are in SW of course.
    It looks a bit like a non-aggression pact. Parties have candidates in each other's patches but they are not trying very hard. I am in Edinburgh South. The SNP are ramping up their activity now but they have left it late. Maybe they are more confident of holding Edinburgh SW. They don't lack for activists though
    I haven't seen any sign of SLab in my pocket of Edin North, but they might be focusing their door knocking team on the more densely populated bits in Leith. Have had 1 leaflet today, delivered by RM.

    They don't seem to have a great candidate this time, and Mark Lazarowicz had a decent personal vote even in defeat in 2015, so its hard to see them bettering that.

    (I've had nothing from the LDs, so they must be throwing all their £ at Edin West).
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...
    Both the Tory and Labour votes were down in Edinburgh Western last year. The former is quite remarkable when you think about the difference in Conservative Scottish opinion polls between 2016 and 2012. A substantial minority of Scottish Unionists are willing to vote tactically for the LibDems to keep the SNP out.

    The LDs did extremely well in Edinburgh West in the locals last month too. My guess would be LDs 21,000 votes, SNP 16,000, Con and Lab about 4,000 apiece.
    Edinburgh Lib Dems I speak to are very confident. I hope they are right.
    Christine Jardine might just be the next leader of the Liberal Democrats. (Due to being the only mp.)
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited June 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    calum said:
    Hubris, should never be so open even if that confident.
    SCon expectation management has been non existent to the extent that if they get 5 gains they will look like failures. They are fucking this up (I say this as someone who has bet on the basis that 19 SCon gains is a real possibility)
    6 would be a good result, especially if it is more than Labour and the Lib Dems put together. Any more and it really is party time. I have champagne chilling. At least a glass for every seat the SNP are below 50.
    Best make sure you have two bottles of champagne in the fridge. (Or seven, if you plan on having SeanT join you.)
    In answer to your Facebook question, yes, that's the Corbynista girlfriend sitting on my Camden balcony....
    This months one or last months?
    This month's and last month's. This one's a keeper. Depends if she'll keep an old scrote like me, is more the question.
    I guess that depends on how well the next book sells.
    Its that sort of cynicism that made you a Merchant Banker. True love surely conquers all.
    I no longer work in finance*. I'm now the CFO of one of one the world's most exciting private tech companies.

    * And I was never a Merchant Banker. I was a research analyst, and then a fund manager.
    Oops. Shouldn't have described that other company as the most exciting them :wink:
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...
    Both the Tory and Labour votes were down in Edinburgh Western last year. The former is quite remarkable when you think about the difference in Conservative Scottish opinion polls between 2016 and 2012. A substantial minority of Scottish Unionists are willing to vote tactically for the LibDems to keep the SNP out.

    The LDs did extremely well in Edinburgh West in the locals last month too. My guess would be LDs 21,000 votes, SNP 16,000, Con and Lab about 4,000 apiece.
    Edinburgh Lib Dems I speak to are very confident. I hope they are right.
    Christine Jardine might just be the next leader of the Liberal Democrats. (Due to being the only mp.)
    What happens if they are left with only 2 MPs and both want to be leader, First, who will propose and who will second.

    What does the rule book say ? Short straw ?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,188
    PaulM said:

    HYUFD said:

    Regional figures

    Comres vs 2015

    North East
    Tories 38% +13%
    Labour 49% +2%
    LD 8% -1%

    North West
    Tories 45% +14%
    Labour 44% -1%
    LD 7% n/c

    Yorkshire and Humber
    Tories 48% +16%
    Labour 43% +4%
    LD 4% -3%

    West Midlands
    Tories 50% +9%
    Labour 37% +5%
    LD 4% -2%

    East Midlands
    Tories 56% +13%
    Labour 30% -2%
    LD 9% +4%

    East
    Tories 56% +7%
    Labour 29% +7%
    LD 8% n/c

    London
    Tories 39% +4%
    Labour 46%+2%
    LD 6% -2%

    South East
    Tories 51% n/c
    Labour 28% +10%
    LD 12% +3%

    South West
    Tories 51% +5%
    Labour 30% +13%
    LD 16% +1%

    Scotland
    Tories 32% +17%
    Labour 15% -9%
    SNP 40% -10%
    LD 9% +2%

    Wales
    Tories 43% +16%
    Labour 32% -5%
    LD 6% n/c


    I just put in the change since 2015. Find it hard to believe that the Tories could be flat in the South East and up mid teens in the North
    I'd assumed the Wales numbers were wrong and transposed. Very bad for Labour.

    Labour's position in the SW looks like a lot of the LibDems tactical voting unwinding. On the face of it, 2 Plymouth seats go Labour - but maybe not, as only 2,000 LD votes in 2015 in Plymouth Sutton and Devonport to unwind and only 1,200 in Moor View
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,154
    DavidL said:

    Alistair said:

    kle4 said:

    calum said:
    Hubris, should never be so open even if that confident.
    SCon expectation management has been non existent to the extent that if they get 5 gains they will look like failures. They are fucking this up (I say this as someone who has bet on the basis that 19 SCon gains is a real possibility)
    6 would be a good result, especially if it is more than Labour and the Lib Dems put together. Any more and it really is party time. I have champagne chilling. At least a glass for every seat the SNP are below 50.
    The SCON target is to have twice the number of Conservative MPs there is in North-East England. This is because there are 59 Scottish MPs and only 29 MPs in the North-East.

    If SCON don't mange that then they continue to be the runt of the Conservative litter.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,211

    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...

    Edit. The Tories are in SW of course.
    It looks a bit like a non-aggression pact. Parties have candidates in each other's patches but they are not trying very hard. I am in Edinburgh South. The SNP are ramping up their activity now but they have left it late. Maybe they are more confident of holding Edinburgh SW. They don't lack for activists though
    I haven't seen any sign of SLab in my pocket of Edin North, but they might be focusing their door knocking team on the more densely populated bits in Leith. Have had 1 leaflet today, delivered by RM.

    They don't seem to have a great candidate this time, and Mark Lazarowicz had a decent personal vote even in defeat in 2015, so its hard to see them bettering that.

    (I've had nothing from the LDs, so they must be throwing all their £ at Edin West).
    I think every LibDem activist between the border and Edinburgh/Glasgow is Edinburgh West
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,503
    Saltire said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Have to say so far this is a hell of a game. The EPL has a lot of catching up to do.

    what about the scottish premiership?
    My team cannot even reach the giddy heights of the SPL having lost in the playoff. Its painful.
    I knew that you were a decent bloke, the fact that you are a fellow Arab proves it!
    I was there when we beat Barca home and away. And in both legs of the EUFA Cup final. And when we beat Borussia 5-0. Those were the days.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,503
    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...

    Edit. The Tories are in SW of course.
    It looks a bit like a non-aggression pact. Parties have candidates in each other's patches but they are not trying very hard. I am in Edinburgh South. The SNP are ramping up their activity now but they have left it late. Maybe they are more confident of holding Edinburgh SW. They don't lack for activists though
    It does. Unfortunately the Tories probably have the toughest egg to crack. Joanna Cherry even has the completely untypical advantage of being competent. I will be both shocked and delighted if that comes off.
    I assume if Mrs Cherry does lose she has a good chance of being parachuted into Holyrood via the list. Which could be a good thing. That parliament lacks legal expertise, especially in the SNP chairs.
    Or she might come back to PH and make some proper money. She is a very capable advocate.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    So Sturgeon was visiting Ayrshire constituencies. I may regret not placing those long odd bets after all.
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    That Survation poll is MENTAL.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...

    Edit. The Tories are in SW of course.
    It looks a bit like a non-aggression pact. Parties have candidates in each other's patches but they are not trying very hard. I am in Edinburgh South. The SNP are ramping up their activity now but they have left it late. Maybe they are more confident of holding Edinburgh SW. They don't lack for activists though
    I haven't seen any sign of SLab in my pocket of Edin North, but they might be focusing their door knocking team on the more densely populated bits in Leith. Have had 1 leaflet today, delivered by RM.

    They don't seem to have a great candidate this time, and Mark Lazarowicz had a decent personal vote even in defeat in 2015, so its hard to see them bettering that.

    (I've had nothing from the LDs, so they must be throwing all their £ at Edin West).
    The LD collapse of vote in North and Leith is the stuff of legends.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    PaulM said:

    HYUFD said:

    Regional figures

    Comres vs 2015

    North East
    Tories 38% +13%
    Labour 49% +2%
    LD 8% -1%

    North West
    Tories 45% +14%
    Labour 44% -1%
    LD 7% n/c

    Yorkshire and Humber
    Tories 48% +16%
    Labour 43% +4%
    LD 4% -3%

    West Midlands
    Tories 50% +9%
    Labour 37% +5%
    LD 4% -2%

    East Midlands
    Tories 56% +13%
    Labour 30% -2%
    LD 9% +4%

    East
    Tories 56% +7%
    Labour 29% +7%
    LD 8% n/c

    London
    Tories 39% +4%
    Labour 46%+2%
    LD 6% -2%

    South East
    Tories 51% n/c
    Labour 28% +10%
    LD 12% +3%

    South West
    Tories 51% +5%
    Labour 30% +13%
    LD 16% +1%

    Scotland
    Tories 32% +17%
    Labour 15% -9%
    SNP 40% -10%
    LD 9% +2%

    Wales
    Tories 43% +16%
    Labour 32% -5%
    LD 6% n/c


    I just put in the change since 2015. Find it hard to believe that the Tories could be flat in the South East and up mid teens in the North
    Subsamples are often likely to produce strange results - the Conservatives are not on 43% in Wales for example.

    But I wouldn't underestimate how much of the UKIP vote in southern England was formerly Labour or LibDem and anti-Conservative and is now moving to Labour for that reason.
    I am convinced despite the received wisdom here on PB, that many UKIPers are returning to Labour.

    It is very reminiscent of Black voters in 2008 leaving Hillary for Obama once they began to realise the he could actually win.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    edited June 2017
    SeanT said:

    twitter.com/faisalislam/status/871089790992732164

    That Labour lead remains elusive! :p

    I wonder what's going on with the survation online series. They had a poll at the peak of the post-election bounce with the Tories on +11 when others were showing it around 18, which increased by one in their poll at the height of the manifesto debacle.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,837
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...
    Both the Tory and Labour votes were down in Edinburgh Western last year. The former is quite remarkable when you think about the difference in Conservative Scottish opinion polls between 2016 and 2012. A substantial minority of Scottish Unionists are willing to vote tactically for the LibDems to keep the SNP out.

    The LDs did extremely well in Edinburgh West in the locals last month too. My guess would be LDs 21,000 votes, SNP 16,000, Con and Lab about 4,000 apiece.
    Edinburgh West was a Liberal seat going back to the 70's IIRC so they are well bedded in. Also having their sitting MP under investigation for criminal fraud didn't help the SNP.

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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...

    Edit. The Tories are in SW of course.
    It looks a bit like a non-aggression pact. Parties have candidates in each other's patches but they are not trying very hard. I am in Edinburgh South. The SNP are ramping up their activity now but they have left it late. Maybe they are more confident of holding Edinburgh SW. They don't lack for activists though
    I haven't seen any sign of SLab in my pocket of Edin North, but they might be focusing their door knocking team on the more densely populated bits in Leith. Have had 1 leaflet today, delivered by RM.

    They don't seem to have a great candidate this time, and Mark Lazarowicz had a decent personal vote even in defeat in 2015, so its hard to see them bettering that.

    (I've had nothing from the LDs, so they must be throwing all their £ at Edin West).
    I think every LibDem activist between the border and Edinburgh/Glasgow is Edinburgh West
    Nah only 50% of them, the other 50% are in E. Dunbartonshire trying to get Jo Swinson back to the HoC.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,043
    SeanT said:
    Haha

    I reckons the pollsters are all just making the numbers up for a laugh. They might as well

    Analysis is futile
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911
    Britain Elects‏ @britainelects 19s19 seconds ago
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    Westminster voting intention:

    CON: 40% (-6)
    LAB: 39% (+5)
    LDEM: 8% (-)
    UKIP: 5% (+2)

    (via @Survation / 03 Jun)

    OMG
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,154
    Can someone ask David Herdson what the big deal in Wakefield is of putting party posters on street lights.

    The whole borough - whether Wakefield, Hemsworth or Pontefract constituencies - is covered with them from the Conservatives and Labour, with the LibDems having some in Pontefract. Though I didn't see any party posters in gardens or windows.

    Is it actually legal to use lamp posts in this way ?
    Who puts them all up and who takes them down ?
    Does it actually get extra votes ?
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,009
    Westminster voting intention:

    CON: 40% (-6)
    LAB: 39% (+5)
    LDEM: 8% (-)
    UKIP: 5% (+2)

    (via @Survation / 03 Jun)

    Oops
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    RestharrowRestharrow Posts: 233
    It just goes to illustrate what a difference it would make to our democracy if we allowed people to vote from the comfort of their homes.

    (For avoidance of doubt, not a difference that I would welcome.)
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    FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299

    valleyboy said:

    MikeL said:

    Hanretty also has Con losing Preseli Pembroke - like YouGov.

    Also Clwyd West - which Con won by 18% in 2015.

    Been canvassing today in Preseli. Yep loads of surprising Corbyn supporters and Crabb not popular, but surely not enough to cause a shock.
    Just back from a view days down that way, Valley, and what a beautiful part of the country.

    Many, many Crabb posters and no sign of any opposition. Just can't see him losing.

    Just back from surfing in St Davids. Lots of labour posters and canvassing in view in the town. Loads of Tory posters but mostly in fields and fields dont vote. Very many Tory posters, including one in someones front garden, had been systematially defaced. The not too political missus was VERY unimpressed by this." Its like they are sort of bullies who are trying to shout other people down rather than out-argue them "


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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,503

    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeL said:

    AndyJS said:

    Chris Hanretty's lastest forecast has upped the number of Tory seats from 359 to 368 compared to yesterday.

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    Only has LD favourite to win 2 seats.

    But forecasts 7 LD seats as presumably several just below 50%.
    Yes, Westmoreland & Lonsdale and Ceredgion (where they manage to win on 26% of the vote!).

    I think his forecasts miss the willingness of Scots to tactically vote (see Holyrood 2016). For example I don't believe the LibDems are in any danger of losing Orkney & Shetland, given that last year their vote share was up more than 25 percentage points since 2012, and they outpolled the SNP three-to-one.
    I hear there are very few Tory activists in either Edinburgh West or South, very few Lib Dems anywhere but West and Labour almost entirely in South and North. Of course their voters may have other views...

    Edit. The Tories are in SW of course.
    It looks a bit like a non-aggression pact. Parties have candidates in each other's patches but they are not trying very hard. I am in Edinburgh South. The SNP are ramping up their activity now but they have left it late. Maybe they are more confident of holding Edinburgh SW. They don't lack for activists though
    I haven't seen any sign of SLab in my pocket of Edin North, but they might be focusing their door knocking team on the more densely populated bits in Leith. Have had 1 leaflet today, delivered by RM.

    They don't seem to have a great candidate this time, and Mark Lazarowicz had a decent personal vote even in defeat in 2015, so its hard to see them bettering that.

    (I've had nothing from the LDs, so they must be throwing all their £ at Edin West).
    Mark joined my Stable on 1st June. He is a decent bloke.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    The youth vote surely can't be the entire reason behind the 12 point gap in the polls. There aren't enough of them
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Curiously, Baxter gives that Survation as Tory majority 4.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,154
    Barnesian said:

    Westminster voting intention:

    CON: 40% (-6)
    LAB: 39% (+5)
    LDEM: 8% (-)
    UKIP: 5% (+2)

    (via @Survation / 03 Jun)

    Oops

    Can we have a poll to see which poll people like best ?
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    These pollsters don't know shit anymore LOL. +6, +12, +1 leads for the Conservatives.

    Weren't Survation the people telling us that 82% of 18-24-year-olds say that are certain to vote, when only 66% of us are registered (that we know of?)
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    surbiton said:

    Good evening. My broadband was down. Any polls or just rumours ?

    Gold standard comres have the tories 12% ahead. 47-35%.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
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    TravelJunkieTravelJunkie Posts: 431
    Contest poll
    12pt Tory lead assuming 18-25 turnout is 2015 level at 43%.
    8pt Tory lead assuming 18-25 turnout is at 63%.
    5pt Tory lead assuming 18-25 is at brexit levels.
    2pt Tory lead assuming labour turnout is equal to Tory turnout.

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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    There is a poll for everybody LOL.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,043
    surbiton said:

    PaulM said:

    HYUFD said:

    Regional figures

    Comres vs 2015

    North East
    Tories 38% +13%
    Labour 49% +2%
    LD 8% -1%

    North West
    Tories 45% +14%
    Labour 44% -1%
    LD 7% n/c

    Yorkshire and Humber
    Tories 48% +16%
    Labour 43% +4%
    LD 4% -3%

    West Midlands
    Tories 50% +9%
    Labour 37% +5%
    LD 4% -2%

    East Midlands
    Tories 56% +13%
    Labour 30% -2%
    LD 9% +4%

    East
    Tories 56% +7%
    Labour 29% +7%
    LD 8% n/c

    London
    Tories 39% +4%
    Labour 46%+2%
    LD 6% -2%

    South East
    Tories 51% n/c
    Labour 28% +10%
    LD 12% +3%

    South West
    Tories 51% +5%
    Labour 30% +13%
    LD 16% +1%

    Scotland
    Tories 32% +17%
    Labour 15% -9%
    SNP 40% -10%
    LD 9% +2%

    Wales
    Tories 43% +16%
    Labour 32% -5%
    LD 6% n/c


    I just put in the change since 2015. Find it hard to believe that the Tories could be flat in the South East and up mid teens in the North
    Subsamples are often likely to produce strange results - the Conservatives are not on 43% in Wales for example.

    But I wouldn't underestimate how much of the UKIP vote in southern England was formerly Labour or LibDem and anti-Conservative and is now moving to Labour for that reason.
    I am convinced despite the received wisdom here on PB, that many UKIPers are returning to Labour.

    It is very reminiscent of Black voters in 2008 leaving Hillary for Obama once they began to realise the he could actually win.
    Yeah the anti immigration Little Englanders were just waiting for a multi culti loving IRA supporter to come along
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,503
    SeanT said:

    ComRes has a Tory landslide.

    Survation has JC as possible PM.

    ??

    Its almost as if the accusations of herding last time really hurt, isn't it?
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    valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 605


    I am convinced despite the received wisdom here on PB, that many UKIPers are returning to Labour.

    It is very reminiscent of Black voters in 2008 leaving Hillary for Obama once they began to realise the he could actually win.

    Anecdote alert....We are finding kippers splitting 50/50 Tory, labour down my way.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    There is a poll for everybody LOL.

    Thank god the government saw fit to arrange a poll of the entire nation so that pollsters can check their methodologies.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    someone's going to have unfertilised chicken produce on their faces next Thursday
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,009
    RobD said:

    There is a poll for everybody LOL.

    Thank god the government saw fit to arrange a poll of the entire nation so that pollsters can check their methodologies.
    :smile:
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038

    PaulM said:

    HYUFD said:

    Regional figures

    Comres vs 2015

    North East
    Tories 38% +13%
    Labour 49% +2%
    LD 8% -1%

    North West
    Tories 45% +14%
    Labour 44% -1%
    LD 7% n/c

    Yorkshire and Humber
    Tories 48% +16%
    Labour 43% +4%
    LD 4% -3%

    West Midlands
    Tories 50% +9%
    Labour 37% +5%
    LD 4% -2%

    East Midlands
    Tories 56% +13%
    Labour 30% -2%
    LD 9% +4%

    East
    Tories 56% +7%
    Labour 29% +7%
    LD 8% n/c

    London
    Tories 39% +4%
    Labour 46%+2%
    LD 6% -2%

    South East
    Tories 51% n/c
    Labour 28% +10%
    LD 12% +3%

    South West
    Tories 51% +5%
    Labour 30% +13%
    LD 16% +1%

    Scotland
    Tories 32% +17%
    Labour 15% -9%
    SNP 40% -10%
    LD 9% +2%

    Wales
    Tories 43% +16%
    Labour 32% -5%
    LD 6% n/c


    I just put in the change since 2015. Find it hard to believe that the Tories could be flat in the South East and up mid teens in the North
    I'd assumed the Wales numbers were wrong and transposed. Very bad for Labour.
    I think the Tories are flat in the south - already v high, and Brexit works against them in many parts. Big swing to Tories in the WM and North though, for opposite reasons. Couple of dozen gains here easily.

    Hard to know what to make of Wales data. Difficult area to survey I suppose, because of big regional differences. Flip-flopping on that scale is not happeneing though.
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    DavidL said:

    Saltire said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Have to say so far this is a hell of a game. The EPL has a lot of catching up to do.

    what about the scottish premiership?
    My team cannot even reach the giddy heights of the SPL having lost in the playoff. Its painful.
    I knew that you were a decent bloke, the fact that you are a fellow Arab proves it!
    I was there when we beat Barca home and away. And in both legs of the EUFA Cup final. And when we beat Borussia 5-0. Those were the days.
    Rather envious of people a little older than myself as I was too young to go on my own. Pretty good Barca team back then with Hughes and Lineker up front and El Tel as the manager.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Survation Con +1 in Mail on Sunday .... oh the irony (part 2) .... :smile:
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    isam said:

    surbiton said:

    PaulM said:

    HYUFD said:

    Regional figures

    Comres vs 2015

    North East
    Tories 38% +13%
    Labour 49% +2%
    LD 8% -1%

    North West
    Tories 45% +14%
    Labour 44% -1%
    LD 7% n/c

    Yorkshire and Humber
    Tories 48% +16%
    Labour 43% +4%
    LD 4% -3%

    West Midlands
    Tories 50% +9%
    Labour 37% +5%
    LD 4% -2%

    East Midlands
    Tories 56% +13%
    Labour 30% -2%
    LD 9% +4%

    East
    Tories 56% +7%
    Labour 29% +7%
    LD 8% n/c

    London
    Tories 39% +4%
    Labour 46%+2%
    LD 6% -2%

    South East
    Tories 51% n/c
    Labour 28% +10%
    LD 12% +3%

    South West
    Tories 51% +5%
    Labour 30% +13%
    LD 16% +1%

    Scotland
    Tories 32% +17%
    Labour 15% -9%
    SNP 40% -10%
    LD 9% +2%

    Wales
    Tories 43% +16%
    Labour 32% -5%
    LD 6% n/c


    I just put in the change since 2015. Find it hard to believe that the Tories could be flat in the South East and up mid teens in the North
    Subsamples are often likely to produce strange results - the Conservatives are not on 43% in Wales for example.

    But I wouldn't underestimate how much of the UKIP vote in southern England was formerly Labour or LibDem and anti-Conservative and is now moving to Labour for that reason.
    I am convinced despite the received wisdom here on PB, that many UKIPers are returning to Labour.

    It is very reminiscent of Black voters in 2008 leaving Hillary for Obama once they began to realise the he could actually win.
    Yeah the anti immigration Little Englanders were just waiting for a multi culti loving IRA supporter to come along
    They also like nationalisation and an insurgent outsider...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    JackW said:

    Survation Con +1 in Mail on Sunday .... oh the irony (part 2) .... :smile:

    If that doesn't energise the blue rinse brigade I don't know what will :p
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    SeanT said:

    ComRes has a Tory landslide.

    Survation has JC as possible PM.

    ??

    All seems to hinge on whether younger voters see this opportunity to be heard again after Brexit, when so many didn't turn up for that.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Survation trying to challenge YouGov for the pollster that produces a poll which sends everyone into a tailspin.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    These pollsters don't know shit anymore LOL. +6, +12, +1 leads for the Conservatives.

    Weren't Survation the people telling us that 82% of 18-24-year-olds say that are certain to vote, when only 66% of us are registered (that we know of?)

    82% of the 66%.
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    Polls all over the place and one of them is probably very close lol. Election night is going to be fascinating.
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    CosmicCosmic Posts: 26
    I've been thinking about all the talk of Corbyn having a great campaign and May having a crap one. Is this really the case?

    We pretty much knew what may was like as soon as she took over as PM. Awkward interviews, overruling cabinet ministers, unclear/poorly leaked policies like grammar schools and an actual U-turn on the business rates.

    Despite this, she remained fairly popular with the public, with leads from 10-25%. What's more, the real results, such as the local elections and the by-election gain confirmed that this was real.

    On the other hand, Corbyn was always fairly confident giving speeches and debating, because he's been doing it for so long, and he believes in most of what he is selling. The contents of the manifesto, i.e. poorly costed giveaways, had always been one of his selling points.

    So if the campaigns haven't really given us any new information, why have the polls (and possibly voting behaviour) changed so much?

    In my opinion, it's the media. The Tories were on course for a crushing victory and remained in that position for about a month. This makes for extremely boring media coverage, so all but the most right-wing media have been much more critical of May (and to a lesser extent, more generous to Corbyn). The fact that impartiality rules kick in for TV coverage also affects things.

    So my point is that we're seeing the same May and Corbyn that we did for months before with the big leads, but now the media is trying to make things more interesting with much more May scrutiny. For example, the amount of coverage given to 'Garden tax' vs. 'Dementia tax'.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    SeanT said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Survation Con +1 in Mail on Sunday .... oh the irony (part 2) .... :smile:

    If that doesn't energise the blue rinse brigade I don't know what will :p
    A YouGov Labour lead?
    Oh, I meant the fact it was in the Mail.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,443
    Enjoying the popcorn everyone?

    I am working very hard this week. Including conference and Black Tie dinner Friday up at the Crieff Hydro. Where I intend to get blootered celebrating the "shock" Labour win
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    Where the hell is John Curtice during this psephological omnishambles?
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,837
    You can't accuse the pollsters of herding ....
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    surbiton said:

    These pollsters don't know shit anymore LOL. +6, +12, +1 leads for the Conservatives.

    Weren't Survation the people telling us that 82% of 18-24-year-olds say that are certain to vote, when only 66% of us are registered (that we know of?)

    82% of the 66%.
    Didn't see Survation issue that caveat....
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,150

    There is a poll for everybody LOL.

    Except Tiny Tim :-(
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    SeanT said:

    C'mon ICM, we need another calming Tory lead, say, 9 points?

    Their numbers are "intriguing".. whatever that means.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,503
    SeanT said:

    If I had to choose three pollsters on whom to stake my life it would be ICM, ComRes and IPSOS.

    ICM will be crucial, tonight.

    If I was staking my life on Comedy Results I would have a hell of a sweat on.
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