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Reeth and Arkengarthdale on Richmondshire (Ind defence, death of sitting member) Result of council at last election (2015): Conservatives 21, Independents 7, Richmondshire Independents 4, Liberal Democrats 2 (Conservative majority of 8) Result of ward at last election (2015): Ind 544 (76%), Green 116 (16%), Lab 56 (8%) EU Referendum Result (2016): REMAIN 11,945 (43%) LEAVE 15,691 (57%) on a turnout of 75% Candidates duly nominated: Ian Scott (Con) Result: Conservative GAIN from Independent, unopposed

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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    First like May
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Sleazy, broken Tories on the slide.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Guessing Richmondshire must have had a rather Conservative-minded independent to have been elected last time unopposed by an official Conservative candidate?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,358
    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Remember, it's vitally important that all good socialists support paying taxes to keep Peter Stringfellow in winter fuel and that if you get Dementia and have to go into a home the £77,000 less that you might have left to leave your children ensures someone on 79,000 a year doesn't pay a penny more in tax. Utterly bizarre lines of attack in this campaign.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    edited May 2017
    Fourth like Arsenal come Sunday 17:00.

    EDIT: Sixth like Man Utd.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    surbiton said:

    Sleazy, broken Tories on the slide.

    Except they are unchanged ;)
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,311

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    He seems to be very bitter. Wonder why
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    DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    surbiton said:

    Sleazy, broken Tories on the slide.

    Are you starting to get a little bit more optimistic about Labour's chances as the election starts to finally get going? :smile:

    Are you one of those who is enthusiastic about the rise to power of the Corbyn/Momentum wing in the party - or one of the so-called moderates who don't like it?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472
    tlg86 said:

    Fourth like Arsenal come Sunday 17:00.

    This is Liverpool, we'll some how mess it up.

    I bet Dejan Lovren does a Jamie Pollock on Sunday.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,011

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Might ensure the local Rotary Club will not be showing Florence Foster Jenkins in their next film night
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    Nearly as far down as Man United.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,449
    Ha - Reeth and Arkengarthdale is proper straw-hats-and-banjos country. About as remote as you can get in England between the Tees and the Tamar. It even sounds impossibly remote. There are few lovelier spots in the country. I don't imagine it's a hotspot of Corbynism.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    The other aspect to the care plans are that currently if you go into a home you can be forced to sell your home. You are frightened, unwell and alone and you suddenly realise you can never go home.
    That has been taken away.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,358
    HYUFD said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Might ensure the local Rotary Club will not be showing Florence Foster Jenkins in their next film night
    Only someone English will have understood what he meant by that.

    And well he knows it.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,930
    Two Conservatives who pretended to be tough on immigration to get elected then voted Remain

    https://twitter.com/kellytolhurst/status/865206990255120384
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,625

    Guessing Richmondshire must have had a rather Conservative-minded independent to have been elected last time unopposed by an official Conservative candidate?

    Let me summarise:

    Independent = Tory
    Residents Association = Tory
    Ratepayers = Tory
    Any other dodgy description = Tory

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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    The other aspect to the care plans are that currently if you go into a home you can be forced to sell your home. You are frightened, unwell and alone and you suddenly realise you can never go home.
    That has been taken away.

    Yes, I think a lot of people are oblivious to the fact that the current policy is to make people sell their homes to fund their care.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,463
    On the last thread header: I could easily see Labour on 33%-ish of the vote now. It sounds nuts given what we know, but as the Tories are squeezing UKIP I could understand Labour squeezing the lib dems - they've had a terrible election thus far.

    Thing is, if we're talking about a 33-48 split or somewhere there abouts, there'll still be a Tory landslide. The poll figures for May have been less brilliant given labours modest recovery, but they are far from the danger zone. We are instead looking at a return to two party politics. In such a situation, of course Labour are going to do better than they where when UKIP and the LDs were polling over 10 plus percent of the vote.

    Interesting times ahead though. I could easily see Corbyn using such a score to justify staying on. He is, so far, having a good bad election.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    Cookie said:

    Ha - Reeth and Arkengarthdale is proper straw-hats-and-banjos country. About as remote as you can get in England between the Tees and the Tamar. It even sounds impossibly remote. There are few lovelier spots in the country. I don't imagine it's a hotspot of Corbynism.

    That is properly in the middle of nowhere. About 10 miles from the nearest numbered road, which is the A66!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,011

    HYUFD said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Might ensure the local Rotary Club will not be showing Florence Foster Jenkins in their next film night
    Only someone English will have understood what he meant by that.

    And well he knows it.
    The US has Rotary Clubs too, as does Australia, New Zealand and most of Europe
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited May 2017
    I reckon Thurrock could have the biggest Tory voteshare increase of anywhere. Up by 25% points there perhaps.

    Mrs May should absolutely gobble up the southern UKIP vote, and Labour's long-term negative trend in Essex will surely only be compounded in this election.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,011
    surbiton said:

    Sleazy, broken Tories on the slide.

    Sleazy broken Tories on 45% and 49% in the two polls out today, more than Blair and Thatcher ever got and the highest Tory share since Ted Heath in 1970
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    tlg86 said:

    The other aspect to the care plans are that currently if you go into a home you can be forced to sell your home. You are frightened, unwell and alone and you suddenly realise you can never go home.
    That has been taken away.

    Yes, I think a lot of people are oblivious to the fact that the current policy is to make people sell their homes to fund their care.
    It is worse. If you’re paying fees to care homes, you are not paying the same fees as the state pays. You're paying more.

    The present system is iniquitous, because you are forced to sell your home to pay for your care and to subsidise the fees of those for whom the state pays.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    tlg86 said:

    The other aspect to the care plans are that currently if you go into a home you can be forced to sell your home. You are frightened, unwell and alone and you suddenly realise you can never go home.
    That has been taken away.

    Yes, I think a lot of people are oblivious to the fact that the current policy is to make people sell their homes to fund their care.
    It's certainly the way to sell it.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472
    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Danny565 said:

    I reckon Thurrock could have the biggest Tory voteshare increase of anywhere. Up by 25% points there perhaps.

    Mrs May should absolutely gobble up the southern UKIP vote, and Labour's long-term negative trend in Essex will surely only be compounded in this election.

    I'd expect seats like Heywood & Middleton, Hartlepool, Dagenham & Rainham, Grimsby to go Tory, given the huge shift from UKIP.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    On the last thread header: I could easily see Labour on 33%-ish of the vote now. It sounds nuts given what we know, but as the Tories are squeezing UKIP I could understand Labour squeezing the lib dems - they've had a terrible election thus far.

    Thing is, if we're talking about a 33-48 split or somewhere there abouts, there'll still be a Tory landslide. The poll figures for May have been less brilliant given labours modest recovery, but they are far from the danger zone. We are instead looking at a return to two party politics. In such a situation, of course Labour are going to do better than they where when UKIP and the LDs were polling over 10 plus percent of the vote.

    Interesting times ahead though. I could easily see Corbyn using such a score to justify staying on. He is, so far, having a good bad election.

    If Corbyn gets 33% he's going nowhere, no matter how bad the seat count. Any challenge will end up the same as the last one.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    Cambridge admitted Neil Hamilton. End. Of. Argument.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    edited May 2017
    Basically Mayism is being put forward, it's a learn well,, work hard earn well, retire well, decline with dignity philosophy.
    The double lock means pensioners are now invested in the success of the economy and jobs/wages.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Danny565 said:

    I reckon Thurrock could have the biggest Tory voteshare increase of anywhere. Up by 25% points there perhaps.

    Mrs May should absolutely gobble up the southern UKIP vote, and Labour's long-term negative trend in Essex will surely only be compounded in this election.

    Leadsom over 43000 votes perhaps
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    And everyone knows that he only hates the press because they put him on the front page with his trousers down and some two-bob whore sucking his......
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,625

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    What else can you do with English Literature other than read it?
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,449
    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I don't want to cast aspersions on an entire socio-economic sub-group - but it's become increasingly clear since 2016 that some of the upper-middle (or upper-upper-middle) class don't like the rest of us very much, and don't mind who knows it. With the brief aberration of Gordon Brown, the (upper-)upper-middles have run both parties since 2005, and some of them are finding it quite an imposition to have a social inferior in a position of power.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,449

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    What else can you do with English Literature other than read it?
    :-)
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    Sleazy, broken Tories on the slide.

    Except they are unchanged ;)
    As I said in the previous thread, depending on which polls you follow you can find Labour rising but Tories unchanged, Labour rising and Tories falling, both parties sitting virtually static, or both parties pitching up and down like a ship on a storm-tossed sea. The only thing that none of the polling houses is indicating is a Labour collapse: this appears to be the result of a further regression toward two-party politics in England, which seems to be enough to raise the floor for the Labour vote, even in very difficult circumstances.

    It remains to be seen whether or not the more optimistic projections of Labour's vote will be met, but it appears at least as if Corbyn will probably do better than Michael Foot in 1983. The problem for Labour being that May will probably do better than Margaret Thatcher in 1983, too! I'm growing increasingly uncertain of anything in politics but, given a sustained third party squeeze, the odds would appear to favour both of these outcomes.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    What else can you do with English Literature other than read it?
    Dunno, I did a proper degree, not an arty farty degree.
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    Cambridge admitted Neil Hamilton. End. Of. Argument.
    Do you mean 'suck it up'?
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Cookie said:

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I don't want to cast aspersions on an entire socio-economic sub-group - but it's become increasingly clear since 2016 that some of the upper-middle (or upper-upper-middle) class don't like the rest of us very much, and don't mind who knows it. With the brief aberration of Gordon Brown, the (upper-)upper-middles have run both parties since 2005, and some of them are finding it quite an imposition to have a social inferior in a position of power.
    LOL at people continuing to cast May as "tribune of the working-class", when she is arguably the second-poshest Tory leader in the past 50 years...
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    isamisam Posts: 40,930
    Cookie said:

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I don't want to cast aspersions on an entire socio-economic sub-group - but it's become increasingly clear since 2016 that some of the upper-middle (or upper-upper-middle) class don't like the rest of us very much, and don't mind who knows it. With the brief aberration of Gordon Brown, the (upper-)upper-middles have run both parties since 2005, and some of them are finding it quite an imposition to have a social inferior in a position of power.
    I think HG used to post here under his Christian name... a right lefty twat!
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    Fat_SteveFat_Steve Posts: 361

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    Cambridge admitted Neil Hamilton. End. Of. Argument.
    When I think how Oxbridge was regarded when I were a lad, it's staggering to see who they rubber stamp.. Richard Burton us a Cambridge degree.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    Cambridge admitted Neil Hamilton. End. Of. Argument.
    I see your Neil Hamilton and raise you a Jeffrey Archer.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Danny565 said:

    Cookie said:

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I don't want to cast aspersions on an entire socio-economic sub-group - but it's become increasingly clear since 2016 that some of the upper-middle (or upper-upper-middle) class don't like the rest of us very much, and don't mind who knows it. With the brief aberration of Gordon Brown, the (upper-)upper-middles have run both parties since 2005, and some of them are finding it quite an imposition to have a social inferior in a position of power.
    LOL at people continuing to cast May as "tribune of the working-class", when she is arguably the second-poshest Tory leader in the past 50 years...
    Shes a vicars daughter, a female, English Gordon Brown.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Anyone know what the odds are on Sissoko getting sent off?
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    Basically Mayism is being put forward, it's a learn well,, work hard earn well, retire well, decline with dignity philosophy.
    The double lock means pensioners are now invested in the success of the economy and jobs/wages.

    I did have a conversation with a resident recently, an industrial estate about 800 yards (separated by huge trees and a nature reserve. ) away that had proposals to build a big waste facility. While I agreed about the lack of suitability for that particular site for this facility I did say that we should in general welcome well paying industrial jobs. He told me he was retired and quite happily to see no further jobs, why would we need more work he asked. I suggested that his kids and grandkids might want some. He said he didn't have any.

    I gave up.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,980
    edited May 2017
    The Greens party election broadcast has to be the worst example of the genre ever seen! (And yes, it's even worse than Rosie Barnes and the rabbit).
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    It thought it was fake news but apparently Joe Liebermann is favourite to head up the FBI!
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    isam said:

    Two Conservatives who pretended to be tough on immigration to get elected then voted Remain

    https://twitter.com/kellytolhurst/status/865206990255120384

    John Hayes?!
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,449
    Danny565 said:

    Cookie said:

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I don't want to cast aspersions on an entire socio-economic sub-group - but it's become increasingly clear since 2016 that some of the upper-middle (or upper-upper-middle) class don't like the rest of us very much, and don't mind who knows it. With the brief aberration of Gordon Brown, the (upper-)upper-middles have run both parties since 2005, and some of them are finding it quite an imposition to have a social inferior in a position of power.
    LOL at people continuing to cast May as "tribune of the working-class", when she is arguably the second-poshest Tory leader in the past 50 years...
    I'm not trying to paint her as working class - far from it. I'm saying that Hugh and some of his cronies seem to despise anyone not quite as posh as them.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472
    edited May 2017

    Anyone know what the odds are on Sissoko getting sent off?

    If Levy pulls this off it is probably the best deal he's ever negotiated.

    Moussa Sissoko is wanted by Barcelona, Real Madrid and AC Milan

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ex-newcastle-moussa-sissoko-transfer-13053345
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,320

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    Cambridge admitted Neil Hamilton. End. Of. Argument.
    I see your Neil Hamilton and raise you a Jeffrey Archer.
    Go on, TSE, raise him a Diane Abbot. See how he likes that.
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    notme said:

    Basically Mayism is being put forward, it's a learn well,, work hard earn well, retire well, decline with dignity philosophy.
    The double lock means pensioners are now invested in the success of the economy and jobs/wages.

    I did have a conversation with a resident recently, an industrial estate about 800 yards (separated by huge trees and a nature reserve. ) away that had proposals to build a big waste facility. While I agreed about the lack of suitability for that particular site for this facility I did say that we should in general welcome well paying industrial jobs. He told me he was retired and quite happily to see no further jobs, why would we need more work he asked. I suggested that his kids and grandkids might want some. He said he didn't have any.

    I gave up.
    Did he tell you who was going to pay for his pension....?
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Ipsos have the Tories 7 ahead of the SNP in Scotland.....with a 12 point swing from Con/UKIP>>>Labour in the South......

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    WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,503
    chestnut said:

    Ipsos have the Tories 7 ahead of the SNP in Scotland.....with a 12 point swing from Con/UKIP>>>Labour in the South......

    12 points ?
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    The Greens party election broadcast has to be the worst example of the genre ever seen! (And yes, it's even worse than Rosie Barnes and the rabbit).

    I don't have a TV so cant watch it today, can you describe it?
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    Cambridge admitted Neil Hamilton. End. Of. Argument.
    I see your Neil Hamilton and raise you a Jeffrey Archer.
    Jeffrey Archer's cv is an elaborate version of the Chronicles of Narnia.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    Cambridge admitted Neil Hamilton. End. Of. Argument.
    I see your Neil Hamilton and raise you a Jeffrey Archer.
    Go on, TSE, raise him a Diane Abbot. See how he likes that.
    Sadly I'm embarrassed Abbott and Burgon are cards he can play.
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    WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,503
    Hmm.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    TudorRose said:

    notme said:

    Basically Mayism is being put forward, it's a learn well,, work hard earn well, retire well, decline with dignity philosophy.
    The double lock means pensioners are now invested in the success of the economy and jobs/wages.

    I did have a conversation with a resident recently, an industrial estate about 800 yards (separated by huge trees and a nature reserve. ) away that had proposals to build a big waste facility. While I agreed about the lack of suitability for that particular site for this facility I did say that we should in general welcome well paying industrial jobs. He told me he was retired and quite happily to see no further jobs, why would we need more work he asked. I suggested that his kids and grandkids might want some. He said he didn't have any.

    I gave up.
    Did he tell you who was going to pay for his pension....?
    He would be of the opinion that he has paid in, the pension is his and no one his doing him a favour by letting him get it out.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    The Greens party election broadcast has to be the worst example of the genre ever seen!

    Yes utterly dire. Should have gone large on fracking in my opinion.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,312
    LDs were down -6 not -7 in Ipsos MORI

    25th April had them on 13%.
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    O/T from last thread...

    @ SeanT

    Interesting. Hadn't thought of those.

    @madasafish

    Is his money very old or just astonishingly abundant?

    There are people around now who are surely the richest people in history. Where will their money go? When will we see the world's first trillionaire?

    It is me! If Zimbabwe Dollars count? I have a 100 trillion dollar banknote issued in 2008. That for the purist is 100000000000000.00.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,981
    You know the idea that you don't speak ill of the dead. Well I give you this obituary of Roger Ailes http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-roger-ailes-was-one-of-the-worst-americans-ever-w483013
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Basically Mayism is being put forward, it's a learn well,, work hard earn well, retire well, decline with dignity philosophy.
    The double lock means pensioners are now invested in the success of the economy and jobs/wages.

    The removal of the 2.5% floor is very good policy. It limits the situation, that has prevailed in recent years, of pensioners accruing a gradually increasing share of national wealth. At least now, if both inflation is low and wage growth is suppressed, retirement incomes won't continue to be artificially inflated by an entirely arbitrary percentage every year.

    It should also be remembered that the state pension will still, under the double lock, be gold plated: those of us additionally invested in private schemes can only look forward to increases index-linked to inflation.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,011
    edited May 2017
    Ready for the crucial ITV Leaders Debate of the parties who poll about 20% between them?
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059

    Anyone know what the odds are on Sissoko getting sent off?

    If Levy pulls this off it is probably the best deal he's ever negotiated.

    Moussa Sissoko is wanted by Barcelona, Real Madrid and AC Milan

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ex-newcastle-moussa-sissoko-transfer-13053345
    Linekers tweet on the matter suggested a slight uncertainty at this eventuality
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    Cambridge admitted Neil Hamilton. End. Of. Argument.
    I see your Neil Hamilton and raise you a Jeffrey Archer.
    Jeffrey Archer's cv is an elaborate version of the Chronicles of Narnia.
    Ok, I raise you Reverend Underpants, Chris Bryant.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,312

    Danny565 said:

    Cookie said:

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I don't want to cast aspersions on an entire socio-economic sub-group - but it's become increasingly clear since 2016 that some of the upper-middle (or upper-upper-middle) class don't like the rest of us very much, and don't mind who knows it. With the brief aberration of Gordon Brown, the (upper-)upper-middles have run both parties since 2005, and some of them are finding it quite an imposition to have a social inferior in a position of power.
    LOL at people continuing to cast May as "tribune of the working-class", when she is arguably the second-poshest Tory leader in the past 50 years...
    Shes a vicars daughter, a female, English Gordon Brown.
    Gordon Brown NEVER had 15% poll leads over Dave, even in 2010!
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    WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,503
    eek said:

    You know the idea that you don't speak ill of the dead. Well I give you this obituary of Roger Ailes http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-roger-ailes-was-one-of-the-worst-americans-ever-w483013

    haha !
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    Cambridge admitted Neil Hamilton. End. Of. Argument.
    I see your Neil Hamilton and raise you a Jeffrey Archer.
    Jeffrey Archer's cv is an elaborate version of the Chronicles of Narnia.
    Ok, I raise you Reverend Underpants, Chris Bryant.
    He went to my college. :|
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,980
    edited May 2017
    BigRich said:

    The Greens party election broadcast has to be the worst example of the genre ever seen! (And yes, it's even worse than Rosie Barnes and the rabbit).

    I don't have a TV so cant watch it today, can you describe it?
    Politics as a 70s boardgame. A metaphor stretched way beyond the point at which it made any sense (and, of course, completely unfunny), concluding with the message that if you don't like the Tories or Labour, you should vote Green.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    edited May 2017
    Very interesting: Manifesto Venn diagram, from the Economist.
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/05/daily-chart-13
    image
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,288
    I think Corbyn should have turned up for the ITV Debate at the last minute - it would have embarrassed May big time.

    He's got a bit of momentum and appearing tonight could only have helped.

    Downside would have been minimal.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Wee Jimmy is up
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,091

    Guessing Richmondshire must have had a rather Conservative-minded independent to have been elected last time unopposed by an official Conservative candidate?

    Let me summarise:

    Independent = Tory
    Residents Association = Tory
    Ratepayers = Tory
    Any other dodgy description = Tory

    Independent = Rural Tory
    Residents Association = Tory who's posher than the local Tories
    Ratepayers = Tory in a Labour stronghold
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    WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,503
    The press have totally missed this boost Labour seems to have been having the last few days. Reported the manifesto obviously, causing it, but unaware of any changes.

    St Theresa is secure, though.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,980
    Pulpstar said:

    The Greens party election broadcast has to be the worst example of the genre ever seen!

    Yes utterly dire. Should have gone large on fracking in my opinion.
    + pollution and housing. Not one mention of any policy.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    Cambridge admitted Neil Hamilton. End. Of. Argument.
    I see your Neil Hamilton and raise you a Jeffrey Archer.
    Jeffrey Archer's cv is an elaborate version of the Chronicles of Narnia.
    Ok, I raise you Reverend Underpants, Chris Bryant.
    But, you missed out the best, most incredible bit. He was an elected office-holder in the Oxford University Conservative Association,

    That was long before he became the heart, soul and underpants of Rhondda, My Valley Brave
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    notme said:

    TudorRose said:

    notme said:

    Basically Mayism is being put forward, it's a learn well,, work hard earn well, retire well, decline with dignity philosophy.
    The double lock means pensioners are now invested in the success of the economy and jobs/wages.

    I did have a conversation with a resident recently, an industrial estate about 800 yards (separated by huge trees and a nature reserve. ) away that had proposals to build a big waste facility. While I agreed about the lack of suitability for that particular site for this facility I did say that we should in general welcome well paying industrial jobs. He told me he was retired and quite happily to see no further jobs, why would we need more work he asked. I suggested that his kids and grandkids might want some. He said he didn't have any.

    I gave up.
    Did he tell you who was going to pay for his pension....?
    He would be of the opinion that he has paid in, the pension is his and no one his doing him a favour by letting him get it out.
    I've heard similar arguments about funding for schools; I don't have kids why should I pay? And the observation that presumably they went to school doesn't usually go down well.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    Pulpstar said:

    Wee Jimmy is up

    And she's standing in which constituency at this election?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472
    tlg86 said:

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    Cambridge admitted Neil Hamilton. End. Of. Argument.
    I see your Neil Hamilton and raise you a Jeffrey Archer.
    Jeffrey Archer's cv is an elaborate version of the Chronicles of Narnia.
    Ok, I raise you Reverend Underpants, Chris Bryant.
    He went to my college. :|
    Unlucky, at least he wasn't there when you were there.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    HYUFD said:

    Ready for the crucial ITV Leaders Debate of the parties who poll about 20% between them?

    A dead party
    A dying party
    A fringe party
    A party that only 8% of the population can vote for
    A party that only 5% of the population can vote for

    Yeah, television event of the year, innit?
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    BigRich said:

    The Greens party election broadcast has to be the worst example of the genre ever seen! (And yes, it's even worse than Rosie Barnes and the rabbit).

    I don't have a TV so cant watch it today, can you describe it?
    Politics as a 70s boardgame. A metaphor stretched way beyond the point at which it made any sense (and, of course, completely unfunny), concluding with the message that if you don't like the Tories or Labour, you should vote Green.
    Thanks, a bit of a theme with Green Party broadcasts, I remember one where the other party leaders were represented by men in a 'boy band' and another where they where kids in a kindergarten. Why are they afraid to you there one bit of free mass media to talk about there own plans!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    Cambridge admitted Neil Hamilton. End. Of. Argument.
    I see your Neil Hamilton and raise you a Jeffrey Archer.
    Jeffrey Archer's cv is an elaborate version of the Chronicles of Narnia.
    Ok, I raise you Reverend Underpants, Chris Bryant.
    But, you missed out the best, most incredible bit. He was an elected office-holder in the Oxford University Conservative Association,

    That was long before he became the heart, soul and underpants of Rhondda, My Valley Brave
    Really?

    I remember seeing him on the TV looking so upset that a Tory Prime Minister had introduced same sex marriage
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    HYUFD said:

    Ready for the crucial ITV Leaders Debate of the parties who poll about 20% between them?

    A dead party
    A dying party
    A fringe party
    A party that only 8% of the population can vote for
    A party that only 5% of the population can vote for

    Yeah, television event of the year, innit?
    When will we know haw many are/have watched it?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Nuttall doing a great job proxy in for May here
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    FarrOn shirt is a size too big.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    The press have totally missed this boost Labour seems to have been having the last few days. Reported the manifesto obviously, causing it, but unaware of any changes.

    St Theresa is secure, though.

    I think that the television companies, in particular, are very reticent about making too much of the opinion polls.

    Remember, the polls caused much of the discussion during the campaign to be about Hung Parliament scenarios, rather than what Cameron might do with an outright victory. Afterwards the media was heavily criticised for allowing what turned out to be erroneous polls to dictate the news agenda.

    You see a bit more about polling returns on the rolling news channels, where there's space to devote to their analysis, but they seem to feature very little in the main bulletins.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,249

    Mortimer said:

    FPT - that truly is terrific snobbery by Hugh Grant.

    Being disliked by Hugh Grant will be a massive plus for May. People don't like posh boys much any more...
    I'm shocked to learn that Hugh Grant read English Literature at New College, Oxford.

    Don't you lot have standards over there?
    Cambridge admitted Neil Hamilton. End. Of. Argument.
    I see your Neil Hamilton and raise you a Jeffrey Archer.
    Jeffrey Archer's cv is an elaborate version of the Chronicles of Narnia.
    Ok, I raise you Reverend Underpants, Chris Bryant.
    I went to a real university, but can I point out that Cambridge also gave a doctorate to Tristram 'I'm too thick to use Google' Hunt?

    To give you some idea of his personal and professional standing, the Universities and Colleges Union is informally called the Useless Tristrams Union by its members (after he ignored their picket lines to lecture on Marxism).
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,288
    The audience for this ITV Debate is going to be dire.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    MikeL said:

    I think Corbyn should have turned up for the ITV Debate at the last minute - it would have embarrassed May big time.

    He's got a bit of momentum and appearing tonight could only have helped.

    Downside would have been minimal.

    Corbyn can not think on his feet, to some extent he can read a speech, to a cheering crowd at least. but look at him in PMQs he can read a pre prepared question but has no ability to dynamically come back. If he was the one answering not asking the questions he would be stuffed.

    When May opted out of the debates she did him a bigger favour than anybody.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Good line from Sturgeon re Nuttall xD
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited May 2017
    Tim Farron: I'm straight I have four children.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,930
    edited May 2017

    Anyone know what the odds are on Sissoko getting sent off?

    If Levy pulls this off it is probably the best deal he's ever negotiated.

    Moussa Sissoko is wanted by Barcelona, Real Madrid and AC Milan

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ex-newcastle-moussa-sissoko-transfer-13053345
    Linekers tweet on the matter suggested a slight uncertainty at this eventuality
    My mate is 3697th before today on the FF and he has Kane!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,249
    Pulpstar said:

    Good line from Sturgeon re Nuttall xD

    Can't possibly be better than the superb Meeks line, 'the man who put the Nut into Nuttall and the all into f-all.'
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    edited May 2017
    Farron just comes across as a boy sent to do a man's job. I feel sorry for him because no matter how well constructed his rhetoric is, he doesn't have what it takes.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited May 2017
    eek said:

    You know the idea that you don't speak ill of the dead. Well I give you this obituary of Roger Ailes http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-roger-ailes-was-one-of-the-worst-americans-ever-w483013

    lol

    "The extent to which we hate and fear each other now – that's not any one person's fault. But no one person was more at fault than Roger Ailes. He never had a soul to sell, so he sold ours. It may take 50 years or a century for us to recover. Even dictators rarely have that kind of impact.

    Enjoy the next life, you monster."
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,288
    edited May 2017
    Someone posted yesterday that Farron speaks too quickly.

    That's exactly right - he sounds wound up and like an angry schoolboy having a rant.

    ie Not credible to be in a senior position.
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