France has a two-round FPTP system which in practice works similarly to AV. Works against extremist parties on both sides, since you almost always need 50% of the vote to win.
(Technically you can have 3 way run-offs and come through the middle, but there is a period in which people can drop out of the run-off and often do, to avoid that.)
ITV News headlines not great for the Tories.... running down the losers from the Manifesto, followed by negative vox-pop.
It will be an interesting test - the manifesto launch was surely always going to be more negative than Labour's, because Labour are promising massive investment, wage rises, and an end to cutting. The Tories are abandoning deficit reduction (effectively) but are still presenting as more realistic, and therefore were going to have more negative stuff in it.
If someone thinks Corbyn is not up to the job, as seems the case, I am baffled that so many people have seemingly already returned to Labour - if significant numbers switch because the Tory manifesto has some bad parts, I will have lost all sense of why people vote the way they do, since they could not be clearer they have issues with Corbyn and Labour, and yet might jump because the Tories are shit too? To where? Back to the other crap lot?
I've read all three of the damn things, and the most detailed was the LDs, the one with the nicest policies was Labour's (mostly because it was a cash flow free for all which naturally sounds nice - obviously it had plenty of bad ones), the most measured seeming was the Tories (not surprisingly, as their message was 'let's improve on the good path we've demonstrated). The best written was the Tories, the best presented was the LDs, the clearest was the Tories.
And the one which seems to have gone down like a bucket of sick is the Tory one - just this morning nicky campbell asking for listeners who liked some of the idea's because none coming through on radio 5 phone in .
ho ho ho R5 live is the new pollster.. just like twitter=lol .. those without jobs have time to listen to the vox pop radio station. its a yaaaaaawn.
I think its the '2 round' voting system. FN are the one party that the others will gang up on to vote against.
Macron will get his majority, either through En Marche or with Les Republicains too, then the likes of the far left and the FN may well find they have more in common than they like to admit, they will be the opposition
BBC news doing a voxpox of pensioners in Halifax and at a snooker club and most seem to still back May and think her plans fair enough and back cuts in immigration, though a few mums unhappy about the cuts in free school meals
I didn't know what to think of that policy, it sounds so benign, but an acquaintance I truly respect was fiercely opposed to it as it had been instituted, I was quite taken aback.
It will wind up southerners with 600k three bed terraces - but they will still vote for May ahead of the pitiful alternatives.
They seem to think being in the public eye means we give a toss what they think.
We don't.
I've grown to despise many luvvies like that. They have a child's view of politics usually shared only by senior politicians when they are posturing (and in defence of the latter, I imagine it is just posturing), seeing no potential merit in another side, attributing evil motivation to those they hate, and generally acting as though no one reasonable could vote for someone other than their side, when the fact is millions of people will vote for the Tories, probably a lot more than those who will vote Labour (and certainly more than LD), and Labour too will still get millions, so the alternate bashing doesn't work.
It's childlike, it's arrogant, it's annoying, and yet they seem to imagine themselves as really bloody sophisticated and noble.
Hi all - very long term lurker here who's finally been prompted to sign up by this election. The manifesto seems not to have been a total car crash, but prodding your core vote with three weeks to go seems a bit unnecessary. The thing that gets me is the wasted opportunity to do something really spectacular, e.g. actually providing £350 million a week extra for the NHS, two-thirds of could be achieved by scrapping foreign aid. Result: catnip for Kippers, Labour voters, and Mr. and Mrs. Joe Average alike. Sigh.
BBC news doing a voxpox of pensioners in Halifax and at a snooker club and most seem to still back May and think her plans fair enough and back cuts in immigration, though a few mums unhappy about the cuts in free school meals
I didn't know what to think of that policy, it sounds so benign, but an acquaintance I truly respect was fiercely opposed to it as it had been instituted, I was quite taken aback.
There will be some who dislike aspects of this manifesto but May is prepared to sacrifice a few seats I think for a mandate for the tough choices ahead
Tory manifesto actually promised £8 billion more for NHS over next 2 years and further real terms rises thereafter
No no, they want to rundown and destroy the NHS, must do, I read it all the time. They do a terrible job of that given they want to run it down, you'd think it'd be even worse by now.
Been out in a rain-soaked town looking at the river through glass, and the veil of incessant falling water. I'm soaked. No idea how people from Lancashire/Cumbria/Scotland put up with this on a daily basis, but I quite liked it.
I note that we are all testosterone-gooey over Leanne Wood's accent and that Corbyn Is Crap Is PM.
Only on PB.
I have been watching a team play a makeshift defence and midfield, with an incomprehensible formation let in six goals at home. In the rain.
Good preparation for 3 weeks tonight as an LD unfortunately. I need to stock up on brandy for medicinal purposes methinks.
We need Lamb to win so he can take over as leader.
Well I would love a much small state, and a much smaller deficit, and much smaller taxes. So maybe he is trying to get me to vote tory, But I'm reluctant because that's not what is in there manifesto and looking at May I don't think its in her instinct ether.
I'm not shore whether his tweet will convince me but it was nice that he tried.
BBC news doing a voxpox of pensioners in Halifax and at a snooker club and most seem to still back May and think her plans fair enough and back cuts in immigration, though a few mums unhappy about the cuts in free school meals
I didn't know what to think of that policy, it sounds so benign, but an acquaintance I truly respect was fiercely opposed to it as it had been instituted, I was quite taken aback.
There will be some who dislike aspects of this manifesto but May is prepared to sacrifice a few seats I think for a mandate for the tough choices ahead
I'm sure she will win - but Corbyn will be closer to 35 than 25, which is dispiriting, so May won't be as free and clear on seats as she could be (which in all fairness is not a terrible thing in itself), but with the LDs likely going backwards unless they do really well in Scotland, it's a bit of a worry that Corbyn will be able to claim a decent result (compared to what was predicted for him).
Been out in a rain-soaked town looking at the river through glass, and the veil of incessant falling water. I'm soaked. No idea how people from Lancashire/Cumbria/Scotland put up with this on a daily basis, but I quite liked it.
I note that we are all testosterone-gooey over Leanne Wood's accent and that Corbyn Is Crap Is PM.
Only on PB.
I have been watching a team play a makeshift defence and midfield, with an incomprehensible formation let in six goals at home. In the rain.
Good preparation for 3 weeks tonight as an LD unfortunately. I need to stock up on brandy for medicinal purposes methinks.
We need Lamb to win so he can take over as leader.
Spurs wanted some pay-back methinks for the draw at the Lane earlier this season and last year's PL games too?
ITV News headlines not great for the Tories.... running down the losers from the Manifesto, followed by negative vox-pop.
It will be an interesting test - the manifesto launch was surely always going to be more negative than Labour's, because Labour are promising massive investment, wage rises, and an end to cutting. The Tories are abandoning deficit reduction (effectively) but are still presenting as more realistic, and therefore were going to have more negative stuff in it.
If someone thinks Corbyn is not up to the job, as seems the case, I am baffled that so many people have seemingly already returned to Labour - if significant numbers switch because the Tory manifesto has some bad parts, I will have lost all sense of why people vote the way they do, since they could not be clearer they have issues with Corbyn and Labour, and yet might jump because the Tories are shit too? To where? Back to the other crap lot?
I've read all three of the damn things, and the most detailed was the LDs, the one with the nicest policies was Labour's (mostly because it was a cash flow free for all which naturally sounds nice - obviously it had plenty of bad ones), the most measured seeming was the Tories (not surprisingly, as their message was 'let's improve on the good path we've demonstrated). The best written was the Tories, the best presented was the LDs, the clearest was the Tories.
And the one which seems to have gone down like a bucket of sick is the Tory one - just this morning nicky campbell asking for listeners who liked some of the idea's because none coming through on radio 5 phone in .
Well it is the one that is less 'give everybody free stuff' and more 'give with one hand, taketh with the other', I'm not surprised its gone down poorly, particularly since the consensus seems to be it is also not aimed at some of the core Tory vote (which May is taking for granted).
Taken for granted and the piss taken out for them .The lower middle class who can not afford lawers to get around the dementia tax The only asset they have is their house and anything over 100k could be taken from them for care it is risible in the extreme.
ITV News headlines not great for the Tories.... running down the losers from the Manifesto, followed by negative vox-pop.
It will be an interesting test - the manifesto launch was surely always going to be more negative than Labour's, because Labour are promising massive investment, wage rises, and an end to cutting. The Tories are abandoning deficit reduction (effectively) but are still presenting as more realistic, and therefore were going to have more negative stuff in it.
If someone thinks Corbyn is not up to the job, as seems the case, I am baffled that so many people have seemingly already returned to Labour - if significant numbers switch because the Tory manifesto has some bad parts, I will have lost all sense of why people vote the way they do, since they could not be clearer they have issues with Corbyn and Labour, and yet might jump because the Tories are shit too? To where? Back to the other crap lot?
I've read all three of the damn things, and the most detailed was the LDs, the one with the nicest policies was Labour's (mostly because it was a cash flow free for all which naturally sounds nice - obviously it had plenty of bad ones), the most measured seeming was the Tories (not surprisingly, as their message was 'let's improve on the good path we've demonstrated). The best written was the Tories, the best presented was the LDs, the clearest was the Tories.
And the one which seems to have gone down like a bucket of sick is the Tory one - just this morning nicky campbell asking for listeners who liked some of the idea's because none coming through on radio 5 phone in .
Well it is the one that is less 'give everybody free stuff' and more 'give with one hand, taketh with the other', I'm not surprised its gone down poorly, particularly since the consensus seems to be it is also not aimed at some of the core Tory vote (which May is taking for granted).
Taken for granted and the piss taken out for them .The lower middle class who can not afford lawers to get around the dementia tax The only asset they have is their house and anything over 100k could be taken from them for care it is risible in the extreme.
May is aiming to win big by going after people who've not gone Tory before, and trusting the rest will put up and shut up. What will they do, vote Corbyn? Or Farron? So far they won't the latter, and not enough of the former to stop her winning, though possible enough to stop her winning as big as she hopes.
ITV News headlines not great for the Tories.... running down the losers from the Manifesto, followed by negative vox-pop.
It will be an interesting test - the manifesto launch was surely always going to be more negative than Labour's, because Labour are promising massive investment, wage rises, and an end to cutting. The Tories are abandoning deficit reduction (effectively) but are still presenting as more realistic, and therefore were going to have more negative stuff in it.
If someone thinks Corbyn is not up to the job, as seems the case, I am baffled that so many people have seemingly already returned to Labour - if significant numbers switch because the Tory manifesto has some bad parts, I will have lost all sense of why people vote the way they do, since they could not be clearer they have issues with Corbyn and Labour, and yet might jump because the Tories are shit too? To where? Back to the other crap lot?
I've read all three of the damn things, and the most detailed was the LDs, the one with the nicest policies was Labour's (mostly because it was a cash flow free for all which naturally sounds nice - obviously it had plenty of bad ones), the most measured seeming was the Tories (not surprisingly, as their message was 'let's improve on the good path we've demonstrated). The best written was the Tories, the best presented was the LDs, the clearest was the Tories.
And the one which seems to have gone down like a bucket of sick is the Tory one - just this morning nicky campbell asking for listeners who liked some of the idea's because none coming through on radio 5 phone in .
Well it is the one that is less 'give everybody free stuff' and more 'give with one hand, taketh with the other', I'm not surprised its gone down poorly, particularly since the consensus seems to be it is also not aimed at some of the core Tory vote (which May is taking for granted).
If you're trying to build a broad coalition of support, then it follows that you can't tailor all of your policies to a narrow section of the electorate. Tony Blair didn't get where he got in 1997 by aiming all of his messages at the Labour core vote, still less the party membership.
There is a straightforward choice in this election between the Labour manifesto - summarised by one wag as "Nationalise all the stuff! Tax all the rich! Spend all the money!" - and the Conservative manifesto, which says that there can be some nice things but the general population is going to have to get used to paying for them. The election is going to be a stern test of the exact extent to which the population of this country has become infantilised.
Ironic that he sat out the coalition years to nurse leadership ambitions, only to screw his party into the ground with an awful strategy.
Clegg returning would be a big improvement.
Well it could be down to him, Williams, Farron and Carmichael, (probably not worse, though none are completely safe), so it might happen - although Clegg had seemed revitalised post Brexit, as the LDs seemed like they had a purpose again, and one which might help them revive a bit.
IF that dream dies a second time, I don't know how he could keep fighting on, how the party could keep fighting on. Not making huge gains is one thing, making zero or negative progress is another.
Been out in a rain-soaked town looking at the river through glass, and the veil of incessant falling water. I'm soaked. No idea how people from Lancashire/Cumbria/Scotland put up with this on a daily basis, but I quite liked it.
I note that we are all testosterone-gooey over Leanne Wood's accent and that Corbyn Is Crap Is PM.
Only on PB.
I have been watching a team play a makeshift defence and midfield, with an incomprehensible formation let in six goals at home. In the rain.
Good preparation for 3 weeks tonight as an LD unfortunately. I need to stock up on brandy for medicinal purposes methinks.
We need Lamb to win so he can take over as leader.
Spurs wanted some pay-back methinks for the draw at the Lane earlier this season and last year's PL games too?
I think so too. Spurs are going to be the best team to not win anything since the Dutch national side of the Seventies.
They seem to think being in the public eye means we give a toss what they think.
We don't.
I've grown to despise many luvvies like that. They have a child's view of politics usually shared only by senior politicians when they are posturing (and in defence of the latter, I imagine it is just posturing), seeing no potential merit in another side, attributing evil motivation to those they hate, and generally acting as though no one reasonable could vote for someone other than their side, when the fact is millions of people will vote for the Tories, probably a lot more than those who will vote Labour (and certainly more than LD), and Labour too will still get millions, so the alternate bashing doesn't work.
It's childlike, it's arrogant, it's annoying, and yet they seem to imagine themselves as really bloody sophisticated and noble.
I think part of the reason 'actors' and other media types huddle to the left, is they get confused with something being popular and good. if a film is popular then is makes money and is considered Good, and so a good film is a popular film, same with a song etc. but with politics a popular policy is not always a good policy, 80 years ago is was popular to keep homosexuality a criminal offense, but this was bad, then as now. Promising to give more 'free' stuff to people is almost always popular with the people who get it therefor in some peoples mind is a good policy. even if the policy have bad or very bad unintended consequences, like bankrupting the nation.
I am pretty sure that for TV and movie actors, this stuff is actively counter-productive. It seriously annoys fans who politically disagree, most neutrals are confused, irritated or slightly alienated, the few fans who are passionately in agreement will passionately agree - but they already agreed, anyway.
A bad move. Cf Hugh Grant on May. He comes across as a terrible, ageing snob.
I am less sure of the impact of very famous writers. They are maybe expected to have written opinions. e.g. I think J K Rowling can have a positive effect on a cause she gets behind.
I agree. I like Sheen as an actor, his right-on politics annoy me. Hugh Grant, well other than Four Weddings I can't think of anything else I've seen with him in it. He now looks a bit washed up, there are loads of younger posh pretty-boy British actors that can fill his shoes, and have, he's now famous for Hurley, Divine Brown, and campaigning against the press.
Rowling's interesting as even if I don't agree with her she's generally witty and smart, so that you have to concede her opinion isn't just following the herd.
ITV News headlines not great for the Tories.... running down the losers from the Manifesto, followed by negative vox-pop.
It will be an interesting test - the manifesto launch was surely always going to be more negative than Labour's, because Labour are promising massive investment, wage rises, and an end to cutting. The Tories are abandoning deficit reduction (effectively) but are still presenting as more realistic, and therefore were going to have more negative stuff in it.
If someone thinks Corbyn is not up to the job, as seems the case, I am baffled that so many people have seemingly already returned to Labour - if significant numbers switch because the Tory manifesto has some bad parts, I will have lost all sense of why people vote the way they do, since they could not be clearer they have issues with Corbyn and Labour, and yet might jump because the Tories are shit too? To where? Back to the other crap lot?
I've read all three of the damn things, and the most detailed was the LDs, the one with the nicest policies was Labour's (mostly because it was a cash flow free for all which naturally sounds nice - obviously it had plenty of bad ones), the most measured seeming was the Tories (not surprisingly, as their message was 'let's improve on the good path we've demonstrated). The best written was the Tories, the best presented was the LDs, the clearest was the Tories.
And the one which seems to have gone down like a bucket of sick is the Tory one - just this morning nicky campbell asking for listeners who liked some of the idea's because none coming through on radio 5 phone in .
Well it is the one that is less 'give everybody free stuff' and more 'give with one hand, taketh with the other', I'm not surprised its gone down poorly, particularly since the consensus seems to be it is also not aimed at some of the core Tory vote (which May is taking for granted).
Taken for granted and the piss taken out for them .The lower middle class who can not afford lawers to get around the dementia tax The only asset they have is their house and anything over 100k could be taken from them for care it is risible in the extreme.
May needs to U-turn on this, ok I'm not a massive fan of the LD reversal of the IHT but that is alot fairer. This is a cretinous policy that is going to sting precisely the sorts of lower middle class voters she needs to get out to win alot of Labour seats.
It's like some sick National Death lottery. The pooled scheme was a much better proposal.
Ironic that he sat out the coalition years to nurse leadership ambitions, only to screw his party into the ground with an awful strategy.
Clegg returning would be a big improvement.
Well it could be down to him, Williams, Farron and Carmichael, (probably not worse, though none are completely safe), so it might happen - although Clegg had seemed revitalised post Brexit, as the LDs seemed like they had a purpose again, and one which might help them revive a bit.
IF that dream dies a second time, I don't know how he could keep fighting on, how the party could keep fighting on. Not making huge gains is one thing, making zero or negative progress is another.
LDs have got very used to picking ourselves up after defeat.
We will survive and evolve. This election came two years too soon for us and Labour, which is exactly why it was called. No bigger majority was needed.
The depressing thing for me is that NO, if you vote Tory it isn't coming.
Of course if you are multimillionaire Hollywood actor who spends half his time in North America you may not always be exactly up to speed with what is happening on the ground beyond the latest Corbyn press release
In locals near me the LDs had 3 leaflet drops, the Tories none (the candidate outright told me they hadn't done half the electoral area), and the latter won, easily, in what had been for a long time strong LD territory. Is there any indication leafleting helps more than marginally?
I've always been of the opinion that the 'ground game' is generally pointless. Moreso in the era ofinfo online campaigning. It does give the activists a sense of purpose and so isn't totally wasted.
Most people don't see the online info. Most people are not on Facebook or twitter.
People do see leaflets through the door even if they take no notice.
They seem to think being in the public eye means we give a toss what they think.
We don't.
I've grown to despise many luvvies like that. They have a child's view of politics usually shared only by senior politicians when they are posturing (and in defence of the latter, I imagine it is just posturing), seeing no potential merit in another side, attributing evil motivation to those they hate, and generally acting as though no one reasonable could vote for someone other than their side, when the fact is millions of people will vote for the Tories, probably a lot more than those who will vote Labour (and certainly more than LD), and Labour too will still get millions, so the alternate bashing doesn't work.
It's childlike, it's arrogant, it's annoying, and yet they seem to imagine themselves as really bloody sophisticated and noble.
Twitter performs a massive public service, demonstrating how shallow people really are, particularly photogenic slebs who can only act a part as long as it requires understated diffidence. If I were a dictator I'd make Twitter compulsory for everyone in the public eye, if only to expose their intellectual deficiencies. Here's a particularly egregious specimen:
Who would want their local council run by someone who has nothing better to do on a Saturday evening than watch the Eurovision Song Contest (his popular opinions notwithstanding)?
They seem to think being in the public eye means we give a toss what they think.
We don't.
I've grown to despise many luvvies like that. They have a child's view of politics usually shared only by senior politicians when they are posturing (and in defence of the latter, I imagine it is just posturing), seeing no potential merit in another side, attributing evil motivation to those they hate, and generally acting as though no one reasonable could vote for someone other than their side, when the fact is millions of people will vote for the Tories, probably a lot more than those who will vote Labour (and certainly more than LD), and Labour too will still get millions, so the alternate bashing doesn't work.
It's childlike, it's arrogant, it's annoying, and yet they seem to imagine themselves as really bloody sophisticated and noble.
I have come to despise Gary Lineker. Shut the fuck up, you creepy, trillionaire, oddly brindled football-gnome.
He has turned into a left wing Nigel farage..The pub bore you don't want to get stuck on a plane next to, especially if they hand out complementary copies of the daily mail.
They seem to think being in the public eye means we give a toss what they think.
We don't.
I've grown to despise many luvvies like that. They have a child's view of politics usually shared only by senior politicians when they are posturing (and in defence of the latter, I imagine it is just posturing), seeing no potential merit in another side, attributing evil motivation to those they hate, and generally acting as though no one reasonable could vote for someone other than their side, when the fact is millions of people will vote for the Tories, probably a lot more than those who will vote Labour (and certainly more than LD), and Labour too will still get millions, so the alternate bashing doesn't work.
It's childlike, it's arrogant, it's annoying, and yet they seem to imagine themselves as really bloody sophisticated and noble.
I think part of the reason 'actors' and other media types huddle to the left, is they get confused with something being popular and good. if a film is popular then is makes money and is considered Good, and so a good film is a popular film, same with a song etc. but with politics a popular policy is not always a good policy, 80 years ago is was popular to keep homosexuality a criminal offense, but this was bad, then as now. Promising to give more 'free' stuff to people is almost always popular with the people who get it therefor in some peoples mind is a good policy. even if the policy have bad or very bad unintended consequences, like bankrupting the nation.
I think that might be right. 'Do you want to cut public services?' most people would say no. 'Will you be willing to pay to keep them?' gets a more complicated response, meaning politicians, on all sides, have to strike a balance between what people would like and what people are willing to pay for (as borrowing can only work so far). A simple good vs evil conflict where one side inexplicably wants to cut good services for no reason as though there is no cost to providing them, is lovely, we'd all like politics to be so simple. But it isn't. Even an unrealistic manifesto will make tough choices on some things (even if it is deciding you can only increase funding by 250 billion rather than 500 billion, or something like that).
But luvvies don't want to consider that. It's are you a good person, or not?
Tory manifesto actually promised £8 billion more for NHS over next 2 years and further real terms rises thereafter
No no, they want to rundown and destroy the NHS, must do, I read it all the time. They do a terrible job of that given they want to run it down, you'd think it'd be even worse by now.
This is the same Labour line every election they lose
Been out in a rain-soaked town looking at the river through glass, and the veil of incessant falling water. I'm soaked. No idea how people from Lancashire/Cumbria/Scotland put up with this on a daily basis, but I quite liked it.
I note that we are all testosterone-gooey over Leanne Wood's accent and that Corbyn Is Crap Is PM.
Only on PB.
I have been watching a team play a makeshift defence and midfield, with an incomprehensible formation let in six goals at home. In the rain.
Good preparation for 3 weeks tonight as an LD unfortunately. I need to stock up on brandy for medicinal purposes methinks.
We need Lamb to win so he can take over as leader.
Spurs wanted some pay-back methinks for the draw at the Lane earlier this season and last year's PL games too?
Been out in a rain-soaked town looking at the river through glass, and the veil of incessant falling water. I'm soaked. No idea how people from Lancashire/Cumbria/Scotland put up with this on a daily basis, but I quite liked it.
I note that we are all testosterone-gooey over Leanne Wood's accent and that Corbyn Is Crap Is PM.
Only on PB.
You forgot to mention the emergence of the PB Varoufakis fan club!
+1 (I have to be - Mrs D is Greek Cypriot and adores him for taking on the EU)
Ironic that he sat out the coalition years to nurse leadership ambitions, only to screw his party into the ground with an awful strategy.
Clegg returning would be a big improvement.
Clegg was the one who buried them into electoral irrelevance. Farron has won a by election at least and hasn't failed yet. The picture in Lib Dem target seats may not be reflected in national polls.
Ironic that he sat out the coalition years to nurse leadership ambitions, only to screw his party into the ground with an awful strategy.
Clegg returning would be a big improvement.
Well it could be down to him, Williams, Farron and Carmichael, (probably not worse, though none are completely safe), so it might happen - although Clegg had seemed revitalised post Brexit, as the LDs seemed like they had a purpose again, and one which might help them revive a bit.
IF that dream dies a second time, I don't know how he could keep fighting on, how the party could keep fighting on. Not making huge gains is one thing, making zero or negative progress is another.
Clegg is fanatically pro the EU so is as much to blame for the Lib Dem position as Farron.
ITV News headlines not great for the Tories.... running down the losers from the Manifesto, followed by negative vox-pop.
It will be an interesting test - the manifesto launch was surely always going to be more negative than Labour's, because Labour are promising massive investment, wage rises, and an end to cutting. The Tories are abandoning deficit reduction (effectively) but are still presenting as more realistic, and therefore were going to have more negative stuff in it.
If someone thinks Corbyn is not up to the job, as seems the case, I am baffled that so many people have seemingly already returned to Labour - if significant numbers switch because the Tory manifesto has some bad parts, I will have lost all sense of why people vote the way they do, since they could not be clearer they have issues with Corbyn and Labour, and yet might jump because the Tories are shit too? To where? Back to the other crap lot?
I've read all three of the damn things, and the most detailed was the LDs, the one with the nicest policies was Labour's (mostly because it was a cash flow free for all which naturally sounds nice - obviously it had plenty of bad ones), the most measured seeming was the Tories (not surprisingly, as their message was 'let's improve on the good path we've demonstrated). The best written was the Tories, the best presented was the LDs, the clearest was the Tories.
And the one which seems to have gone down like a bucket of sick is the Tory one - just this morning nicky campbell asking for listeners who liked some of the idea's because none coming through on radio 5 phone in .
Well it is the one that is less 'give everybody free stuff' and more 'give with one hand, taketh with the other', I'm not surprised its gone down poorly, particularly since the consensus seems to be it is also not aimed at some of the core Tory vote (which May is taking for granted).
Taken for granted and the piss taken out for them .The lower middle class who can not afford lawers to get around the dementia tax The only asset they have is their house and anything over 100k could be taken from them for care it is risible in the extreme.
May needs to U-turn on this, ok I'm not a massive fan of the LD reversal of the IHT but that is alot fairer. This is a cretinous policy that is going to sting precisely the sorts of lower middle class voters she needs to get out to win alot of Labour seats.
It's like some sick National Death lottery. The pooled scheme was a much better proposal.
I agree the pooled scheme has much more sense.Surely as a society we could do this .
BBC news doing a voxpox of pensioners in Halifax and at a snooker club and most seem to still back May and think her plans fair enough and back cuts in immigration, though a few mums unhappy about the cuts in free school meals
I didn't know what to think of that policy, it sounds so benign, but an acquaintance I truly respect was fiercely opposed to it as it had been instituted, I was quite taken aback.
There will be some who dislike aspects of this manifesto but May is prepared to sacrifice a few seats I think for a mandate for the tough choices ahead
I'm sure she will win - but Corbyn will be closer to 35 than 25, which is dispiriting, so May won't be as free and clear on seats as she could be (which in all fairness is not a terrible thing in itself), but with the LDs likely going backwards unless they do really well in Scotland, it's a bit of a worry that Corbyn will be able to claim a decent result (compared to what was predicted for him).
If it keeps Corbyn as Labour leader I doubt May will care too much
They seem to think being in the public eye means we give a toss what they think.
We don't.
I've grown to despise many luvvies like that. They have a child's view of politics usually shared only by senior politicians when they are posturing (and in defence of the latter, I imagine it is just posturing), seeing no potential merit in another side, attributing evil motivation to those they hate, and generally acting as though no one reasonable could vote for someone other than their side, when the fact is millions of people will vote for the Tories, probably a lot more than those who will vote Labour (and certainly more than LD), and Labour too will still get millions, so the alternate bashing doesn't work.
It's childlike, it's arrogant, it's annoying, and yet they seem to imagine themselves as really bloody sophisticated and noble.
I have come to despise Gary Lineker. Shut the fuck up, you creepy, trillionaire, oddly brindled football-gnome.
This sums up our celebrities - Gary lineker in the video.
Well it is the one that is less 'give everybody free stuff' and more 'give with one hand, taketh with the other', I'm not surprised its gone down poorly, particularly since the consensus seems to be it is also not aimed at some of the core Tory vote (which May is taking for granted).
Taken for granted and the piss taken out for them .The lower middle class who can not afford lawers to get around the dementia tax The only asset they have is their house and anything over 100k could be taken from them for care it is risible in the extreme.
Three choices for elderly care:
1. Those with means are made to pay for it 2. Money comes from general taxation - throwing the burden on everybody including the young and the poor, just so that large estates can be passed on to children intact 3. Don't bother, leave people to sit in their own piss
There is a choice number 4 - create a proper insurance scheme for elderly care which could help to deal with the tsunami wave of ageing baby boomers - but since Theresa May doesn't have a Tardis, and cannot, therefore go back and persuade Harold Wilson to set such a thing up, I think we can let her off for not going down that route.
Absent choice 4, choice 1 is the least worst option. There are a finite number of taxpayers, who already have to deal with high living costs and a fairly heavy burden of taxation. The Government has to make a lot of difficult choices about what it can afford to pay for and what it can't.
Tory manifesto actually promised £8 billion more for NHS over next 2 years and further real terms rises thereafter
No no, they want to rundown and destroy the NHS, must do, I read it all the time. They do a terrible job of that given they want to run it down, you'd think it'd be even worse by now.
This is the same Labour line every election they lose
The best way to combat this rather tedious attack line is to actually destroy the NHS.
You could argue that's overkill but it'd mean that someone would have to think up a new negative strategy for the first time in almost a century.
Ironic that he sat out the coalition years to nurse leadership ambitions, only to screw his party into the ground with an awful strategy.
Clegg returning would be a big improvement.
Well it could be down to him, Williams, Farron and Carmichael, (probably not worse, though none are completely safe), so it might happen - although Clegg had seemed revitalised post Brexit, as the LDs seemed like they had a purpose again, and one which might help them revive a bit.
IF that dream dies a second time, I don't know how he could keep fighting on, how the party could keep fighting on. Not making huge gains is one thing, making zero or negative progress is another.
LDs have got very used to picking ourselves up after defeat.
We will survive and evolve. This election came two years too soon for us and Labour, which is exactly why it was called. No bigger majority was needed.
No it wasn't, though it'd be nice for May, but you'd think your lot could make some progress even if it is a bit early. Your membership was revitalised, you had ticked up in the polls and Labour are led by Corbyn and co.
Instead you've gone backwards and holding half the MPs you currently have will be tough. I admire the party came back from a handful of MPs once before to a position of prominence, and that expecting to be back at even half the 2010 level was not on the cards, but they should be able to achieve something. I've always thought the party deserved more credit than it gets from the voters, but they've become even more irrelevant than ever,
No, it really is about May and Corbyn, so even though I did in the locals, what's the point of voting LD again?
ITV News headlines not great for the Tories.... running down the losers from the Manifesto, followed by negative vox-pop.
It will be an interesting test - the manifesto launch was surely always going to be more negative than Labour's, because Labour are promising massive investment, wage rises, and an end to cutting. The Tories are abandoning deficit reduction (effectively) but are still presenting as more realistic, and therefore were going to have more negative stuff in it.
If someone thinks Corbyn is not up to the job, as seems the case, I am baffled that so many people have seemingly already returned to Labour - if significant numbers switch because the Tory manifesto has some bad parts, I will have lost all sense of why people vote the way they do, since they could not be clearer they have issues with Corbyn and Labour, and yet might jump because the Tories are shit too? To where? Back to the other crap lot?
I've read all three of the damn things, and the most detailed was the LDs, the one with the nicest policies was Labour's (mostly because it was a cash flow free for all which naturally sounds nice - obviously it had plenty of bad ones), the most measured seeming was the Tories (not surprisingly, as their message was 'let's improve on the good path we've demonstrated). The best written was the Tories, the best presented was the LDs, the clearest was the Tories.
And the one which seems to have gone down like a bucket of sick is the Tory one - just this morning nicky campbell asking for listeners who liked some of the idea's because none coming through on radio 5 phone in .
Well it is the one that is less 'give everybody free stuff' and more 'give with one hand, taketh with the other', I'm not surprised its gone down poorly, particularly since the consensus seems to be it is also not aimed at some of the core Tory vote (which May is taking for granted).
Taken for granted and the piss taken out for them .The lower middle class who can not afford lawers to get around the dementia tax The only asset they have is their house and anything over 100k could be taken from them for care it is risible in the extreme.
May needs to U-turn on this, ok I'm not a massive fan of the LD reversal of the IHT but that is alot fairer. This is a cretinous policy that is going to sting precisely the sorts of lower middle class voters she needs to get out to win alot of Labour seats.
It's like some sick National Death lottery. The pooled scheme was a much better proposal.
You will be electing a sick National Death Lottery Candidate in NE Derbyshire though.
Been out in a rain-soaked town looking at the river through glass, and the veil of incessant falling water. I'm soaked. No idea how people from Lancashire/Cumbria/Scotland put up with this on a daily basis, but I quite liked it.
I note that we are all testosterone-gooey over Leanne Wood's accent and that Corbyn Is Crap Is PM.
Only on PB.
Was lovely and sunny in Aberystwyth this afternoon!
Ironic that he sat out the coalition years to nurse leadership ambitions, only to screw his party into the ground with an awful strategy.
Clegg returning would be a big improvement.
Well it could be down to him, Williams, Farron and Carmichael, (probably not worse, though none are completely safe), so it might happen - although Clegg had seemed revitalised post Brexit, as the LDs seemed like they had a purpose again, and one which might help them revive a bit.
IF that dream dies a second time, I don't know how he could keep fighting on, how the party could keep fighting on. Not making huge gains is one thing, making zero or negative progress is another.
Clegg is fanatically pro the EU so is as much to blame for the Lib Dem position as Farron.
Well if they go down to 4 MPs (which is possible), for a start they might not survive as a party, and if they do they cannot go any further backwards for at least 5 years (pending by-elections or another early election call).
That is one way of getting through to londeners....Team twat will ruin uber, deliveroo, Amazon same day delivery, ....
I wonder how many people who are part of the Corbyn cult realise what full workers rights from day one and no ZHC means for the services they now take for granted?
Not that I'm defending such companies, as I think that they often have exploitative business models.
They seem to think being in the public eye means we give a toss what they think.
We don't.
I've grown to despise many luvvies like that. They have a child's view of politics usually shared only by senior politicians when they are posturing (and in defence of the latter, I imagine it is just posturing), seeing no potential merit in another side, attributing evil motivation to those they hate, and generally acting as though no one reasonable could vote for someone other than their side, when the fact is millions of people will vote for the Tories, probably a lot more than those who will vote Labour (and certainly more than LD), and Labour too will still get millions, so the alternate bashing doesn't work.
It's childlike, it's arrogant, it's annoying, and yet they seem to imagine themselves as really bloody sophisticated and noble.
I have come to despise Gary Lineker. Shut the fuck up, you creepy, trillionaire, oddly brindled football-gnome.
He has turned into a left wing Nigel farage..The pub bore you don't want to get stuck on a plane next to, especially if they hand out complementary copies of the daily mail.
He's drunk on the weird high of political Twitter-approval. For someone used to the intellectually dull life of football commentary, it must be quite intoxicating.
I wonder if he will come a cropper.
Jk Rowling is actually interesting for that in that she says it how she sees it and the twatterai often ain't happy because it.
Ironic that he sat out the coalition years to nurse leadership ambitions, only to screw his party into the ground with an awful strategy.
Clegg returning would be a big improvement.
Clegg was the one who buried them into electoral irrelevance. Farron has won a by election at least and hasn't failed yet. The picture in Lib Dem target seats may not be reflected in national polls.
The line is still 13.5 seats even after the continuing poor polls. And 10-20pc vote share is still fav ahead of 0-10.
Been out in a rain-soaked town looking at the river through glass, and the veil of incessant falling water. I'm soaked. No idea how people from Lancashire/Cumbria/Scotland put up with this on a daily basis, but I quite liked it.
I note that we are all testosterone-gooey over Leanne Wood's accent and that Corbyn Is Crap Is PM.
Only on PB.
Was lovely and sunny in Aberystwyth this afternoon!
Been out in a rain-soaked town looking at the river through glass, and the veil of incessant falling water. I'm soaked. No idea how people from Lancashire/Cumbria/Scotland put up with this on a daily basis, but I quite liked it.
I note that we are all testosterone-gooey over Leanne Wood's accent and that Corbyn Is Crap Is PM.
Only on PB.
I have been watching a team play a makeshift defence and midfield, with an incomprehensible formation let in six goals at home. In the rain.
Good preparation for 3 weeks tonight as an LD unfortunately. I need to stock up on brandy for medicinal purposes methinks.
We need Lamb to win so he can take over as leader.
Spurs wanted some pay-back methinks for the draw at the Lane earlier this season and last year's PL games too?
I think so too. Spurs are going to be the best team to not win anything since the Dutch national side of the Seventies.
could well be right but what a season it's been anyway... looking forward to the BBC pundits predictions at the start of the season where circa 40 of them predicted the top 4 and from memory only Chris Waddle (maybe Jenas and/or Muphy) had Spurs even in the top 4.
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(Technically you can have 3 way run-offs and come through the middle, but there is a period in which people can drop out of the run-off and often do, to avoid that.)
It's childlike, it's arrogant, it's annoying, and yet they seem to imagine themselves as really bloody sophisticated and noble.
Good preparation for 3 weeks tonight as an LD unfortunately. I need to stock up on brandy for medicinal purposes methinks.
We need Lamb to win so he can take over as leader.
I'm not shore whether his tweet will convince me but it was nice that he tried.
I hope he has never used any of those tax efficiency schemes that are so widely used by the luuvies and starving the Exchequer of the monies...
The Natalie bit would be right in that case at least, assuming he mixed up who was Leanne and who was Caroline.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/806518/Marine-Le-Pen-Calais-candidate-elections
And yes, first hand experience there.
The location /situation can make the situation much worse.
Double tick.
There is a straightforward choice in this election between the Labour manifesto - summarised by one wag as "Nationalise all the stuff! Tax all the rich! Spend all the money!" - and the Conservative manifesto, which says that there can be some nice things but the general population is going to have to get used to paying for them. The election is going to be a stern test of the exact extent to which the population of this country has become infantilised.
https://twitter.com/timfarron/status/865321413548412928
Maybe it's a girl thing.
IF that dream dies a second time, I don't know how he could keep fighting on, how the party could keep fighting on. Not making huge gains is one thing, making zero or negative progress is another.
Rowling's interesting as even if I don't agree with her she's generally witty and smart, so that you have to concede her opinion isn't just following the herd.
It's like some sick National Death lottery. The pooled scheme was a much better proposal.
Are you suggesting they should be nationalised?
We will survive and evolve. This election came two years too soon for us and Labour, which is exactly why it was called. No bigger majority was needed.
People do see leaflets through the door even if they take no notice.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-39950555
Who would want their local council run by someone who has nothing better to do on a Saturday evening than watch the Eurovision Song Contest (his popular opinions notwithstanding)?
Natalie Wood was Robert Wagner's wife.
Drowned in 1981, nobody convicted of the (probable) murder.
But luvvies don't want to consider that. It's are you a good person, or not?
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2017/05/18/corbyn-was-right-to-give-the-itv-leaders-debate-a-miss/#more-21606
Clegg is fanatically pro the EU so is as much to blame for the Lib Dem position as Farron.
https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/865323637116743680
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHnjlQC6Puw
1. Those with means are made to pay for it
2. Money comes from general taxation - throwing the burden on everybody including the young and the poor, just so that large estates can be passed on to children intact
3. Don't bother, leave people to sit in their own piss
There is a choice number 4 - create a proper insurance scheme for elderly care which could help to deal with the tsunami wave of ageing baby boomers - but since Theresa May doesn't have a Tardis, and cannot, therefore go back and persuade Harold Wilson to set such a thing up, I think we can let her off for not going down that route.
Absent choice 4, choice 1 is the least worst option. There are a finite number of taxpayers, who already have to deal with high living costs and a fairly heavy burden of taxation. The Government has to make a lot of difficult choices about what it can afford to pay for and what it can't.
You could argue that's overkill but it'd mean that someone would have to think up a new negative strategy for the first time in almost a century.
Instead you've gone backwards and holding half the MPs you currently have will be tough. I admire the party came back from a handful of MPs once before to a position of prominence, and that expecting to be back at even half the 2010 level was not on the cards, but they should be able to achieve something. I've always thought the party deserved more credit than it gets from the voters, but they've become even more irrelevant than ever,
No, it really is about May and Corbyn, so even though I did in the locals, what's the point of voting LD again?
And Leanne has a delightful Indian accent
Just amazing in The Great Race.
Not that I'm defending such companies, as I think that they often have exploitative business models.