Except both Thornberry and whoever is now the !abour spokesman on LBC are arguing strongly for the current system. If they are about to change their people aren't on message (as usual).
Labour defeat in GM would be on a par with losing more than 100 seats at the GE.
Worse than that in my opinion. If Burnham does not win Manchester then we're looking at Labour losing a majority of its' seats.
I'd love Burnham to lose Manchester....he was the careerist twat that put his personal self interest ahead of anything in the summer putsch last year. Twat....oh yes, I said that.....
A Scouser shouldn't be mayor of Manchester. Not right.
He's been an MP for a Greater Manchester seat for 16 years
Leigh. People there hate being in Greater Manchester. There was a wonderful vox pop after Brexit in Leigh where some old bloke playing crown green bowls went off on one about how it wasn't right that people couldn't take control of their own affairs. The interviewer thought it was an EU issue. Turned out he was complaining still about Leigh falling under Wigan metro since 1974 and wanted Leigh Town Hall back so they weren't ruled by Wiganers!
Bloody uppity lobbygobbling colonials! Don't know what's good for 'em!
Labour defeat in GM would be on a par with losing more than 100 seats at the GE.
Worse than that in my opinion. If Burnham does not win Manchester then we're looking at Labour losing a majority of its' seats.
I'd love Burnham to lose Manchester....he was the careerist twat that put his personal self interest ahead of anything in the summer putsch last year. Twat....oh yes, I said that.....
A Scouser shouldn't be mayor of Manchester. Not right.
He's been an MP for a Greater Manchester seat for 16 years
Leigh. People there hate being in Greater Manchester. There was a wonderful vox pop after Brexit in Leigh where some old bloke playing crown green bowls went off on one about how it wasn't right that people couldn't take control of their own affairs. The interviewer thought it was an EU issue. Turned out he was complaining still about Leigh falling under Wigan metro since 1974 and wanted Leigh Town Hall back so they weren't ruled by Wiganers!
Exactly.....Leigh is hardly the centre of Manchester.
Labour defeat in GM would be on a par with losing more than 100 seats at the GE.
Worse than that in my opinion. If Burnham does not win Manchester then we're looking at Labour losing a majority of its' seats.
I'd love Burnham to lose Manchester....he was the careerist twat that put his personal self interest ahead of anything in the summer putsch last year. Twat....oh yes, I said that.....
A Scouser shouldn't be mayor of Manchester. Not right.
He's not a Scouser. He's from Culcheth.
Went to school there, but he was born in Aintree and he and his family are good Evertonians. Regardless, he's not a Manc, and when it comes to it he has to prefer Liverpool to Manchester.
Where you are born is not relevent, By that criterion Boris is a New Yorker. He is 100% woollyback.
Hahahaha
Are you applying the Queens Drive rule ? Purist, I'll give you that
Woollybacks perform a vital service. Stopping us living next to Scousers!
Did the railway from Bidston to Wrecsam Canalog a couple of weeks ago.
Pretty, it isn't! But you at least arrive in Wrecsam right next to the greatest football ground in the world... well, the oldest international football stadium and the home of the world's third oldest club.
What was the backer thinking ? Were they thinking ?
Ha. Better than me - laid at 1.02, very good value.
Changing topic - Davis is enjoying QT. Wood talking balls about Welsh interests...
I like Leanne, and would happily listen to her whatever she is talking about.
Jesus. Pity those of us that live in Wales and might be affected by her loony ramblings.
She has a lovely Indian accent
There's a story behind that. I have heard that some Welsh people have been offended because they thought the Indians speaking in a Welsh accent were taking the piss.
I just know that when I attempt a Welsh accent it invariably ends up closer to an Indian one and vice versa
Except both Thornberry and whoever is now the !abour spokesman on LBC are arguing strongly for the current system. If they are about to change their people aren't on message (as usual).
There has always been a strong movement in Labour for PR (see Robin Cook etc in the past). It's no wonder the electorate are disengaged when so many seats are safe. There really is no point voting in most of them. Not good for democracy. The 21st century needs an overhaul. FPTP is not fit for purpose with multiple parties. Everyone knows it.
Except both Thornberry and whoever is now the !abour spokesman on LBC are arguing strongly for the current system. If they are about to change their people aren't on message (as usual).
I expect no less from Corbyn's Labour. It is why they are unelectable as far as I am concerned
Except both Thornberry and whoever is now the !abour spokesman on LBC are arguing strongly for the current system. If they are about to change their people aren't on message (as usual).
There has always been a strong movement in Labour for PR (see Robin Cook etc in the past). It's no wonder the electorate are disengaged when so many seats are safe. There really is no point voting in most of them. Not good for democracy. The 21st century needs an overhaul. FPTP is not fit for purpose with multiple parties. Everyone knows it.
I agree - but Labour has also always had a strong rearguard opposing any change. The likes of John Reid were briefing the press 'over their dead body' regarding AV in 2010 at the very same time that Gordon Brown was desperately trying to secure a deal.
What was the backer thinking ? Were they thinking ?
Ha. Better than me - laid at 1.02, very good value.
Changing topic - Davis is enjoying QT. Wood talking balls about Welsh interests...
I like Leanne, and would happily listen to her whatever she is talking about.
Jesus. Pity those of us that live in Wales and might be affected by her loony ramblings.
She has a lovely Indian accent
There's a story behind that. I have heard that some Welsh people have been offended because they thought the Indians speaking in a Welsh accent were taking the piss.
I just know that when I attempt a Welsh accent it invariably ends up closer to an Indian one and vice versa
You don't. You end up with a Welsh Indian accent as opposed to a Welsh accent.
Some of the early teachers of English in India were Welsh missionaries who obviously also passed on the accent. However not all Indians speak with that accent.
SHOUTY women for Labour on QT - Wigan audience roundly boo Sturgeon.
Damn, was hoping for a gain in Wigan.
Real Pie eaters are out canvassing for the SNP, not sitting in the QT audience.
Long-Bailey is lauaghably awful.
Don't be ridiculous! Diane Abbott & Long Bailey are PB tips for next Lab leader
To be fair, in a world where satire is dead, it is possible. No one ever made money betting on the sensible choice for Labour Leader!
Honestly, at this point, after Corbyn, ferchrissakes, what makes any of us think that they aren't candidates for Labour leader? Thornberry too.
It's precisely the problem Labour have if - after some miracle - Corbyn stands down tonight, as some of you have suggested.
Nobody believes the Labour Party is capable of making a sensible choice any more. They think even if Corbyn stands down, it's still the party of Dianne Abbott the maths whizz and McDonnell the Mao enthusiast.
I do think the 33/1 on Stephen Kinnock that's available is a half decent bet though.
She's saving the political capital to give our very own JohnO the first hereditary dukedom in decades.
But she needs more Con Peers in the Lords - in particular to get the Boundary changes through in Oct 2018.
This was the ideal opportunity to bolster numbers.
And the total size of the Lords has been edging downwards - now down to 801 - approx 35 below peak.
I would not be surprised if the abolition of the HOL and a new style second chamber is in the manifesto
I'd be amazed if it were. There will be no time for constitutional tinkering in the next parliament. Maybe a commitment to set up a Royal Commission on the future of the constitution/parliament, but even that I think is unlikely.
Ceredigion council result will be one ward reSult short as candidate died last week and election postponed until next month
Didn't they change the rules on dying candidates a few years back?
not sure but they have held a minutes silence at the count
I thought the election used to be stopped but now it carries on (and is re-held if the dead person wins), but I might be having an Abbot moment and it's the other way around?
They're bound to win some places - with thousands of races they cannot all be losses, holds or did not place.
Indeed. Especially in rural areas where people know the candidates very well. I know socially all 4 of the candidates in my ward. It had a big effect on how I voted!
23:41: Andrew Forbes is asking what it's looking like in Scotland.
I'm hearing a lot but not much I can double source place to place. But the story is what you'd expect: SNP and Tories doing much better, Labour collapsing, Liberal Democrats stagnating. For those of you not glued to the warp and weft of Scottish local government, don't forget that these councils were last contested in 2012, back when Labour were still a thing in Scotland. So expect it to be brutal.
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Lets see a few more before we read tbe tea leaves.
She's saving the political capital to give our very own JohnO the first hereditary dukedom in decades.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16CYIJsRJYlFUplcLiIVCkw0S6JPYLoXEXORSElPOvRI/edit#gid=1661992236
Here's hoping the results throw up a few surprises.
All the ballot boxes are in for the County and Town/Community Elections. #PembsLGE #LGE17
It is as a shit hole full of Brexit wollenbacks
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4474878/Man-30-arrested-Heathrow-terrorism-charges.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK
Long-Bailey is lauaghably awful.
Tories +6.07
WEQ +1.41
Yorkshire +1.32
TUSC -1.63
Green -2.33
Lab -5.5
UKIP -14.24
Wheres my coat???
This was the ideal opportunity to bolster numbers.
And the total size of the Lords has been edging downwards - now down to 801 - approx 35 below peak.
It's no wonder the electorate are disengaged when so many seats are safe. There really is no point voting in most of them. Not good for democracy.
The 21st century needs an overhaul. FPTP is not fit for purpose with multiple parties.
Everyone knows it.
BBC results website laughably crap, if I do say so myself.
Some of the early teachers of English in India were Welsh missionaries who obviously also passed on the accent. However not all Indians speak with that accent.
East, not west.
It's precisely the problem Labour have if - after some miracle - Corbyn stands down tonight, as some of you have suggested.
Nobody believes the Labour Party is capable of making a sensible choice any more. They think even if Corbyn stands down, it's still the party of Dianne Abbott the maths whizz and McDonnell the Mao enthusiast.
I do think the 33/1 on Stephen Kinnock that's available is a half decent bet though.
Two Labour losses in Wrexham, two holds in Flintshire, so far.
2017 election result
Caroline Suzanne PHILLIPS - elected
Labour (952 votes)
Other Candidates
Jamie CUMMINGS
Conservative (776 votes)
Maggie MORRISSEY
Green (162 votes)
LibDem gain in Monmouth from Lab!
That was Labour's 120th safest ward in Wales
Good night all
Conservatives GAIN a seat from Labour in Warwickshire: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/05/new-statesman-2017-local-elections-liveblog …
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"Labour won with 72% of the vote in 2012:
Independent GAIN Gwersllyt North (Wrexham) from Labour"
If that is correct to go from 72% of the vote to losing the seat is exceptional. Something strange there, perhaps some very local factors.
Mark Wallace Retweeted David Short
Labour vote down from 23% in 2015 to 14% in this Central Bedfordshire by-election. cc @britainelects
"Champions of England - you'll never sing that" ;-)
Conservative GAIN Larkfield (Monmouthshire) from Liberal Democrat.
Monmouthshire merry-go-round
Ind 47%
Lab 43%
Con 11%
and it was Labour in 2008, so not worth a wow
23:41: Andrew Forbes is asking what it's looking like in Scotland.
I'm hearing a lot but not much I can double source place to place. But the story is what you'd expect: SNP and Tories doing much better, Labour collapsing, Liberal Democrats stagnating. For those of you not glued to the warp and weft of Scottish local government, don't forget that these councils were last contested in 2012, back when Labour were still a thing in Scotland. So expect it to be brutal.